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Your fee is 1% to 5%. How this fee is distributed? More BTC we send you for mixing less will be its fee or its vice versa?

I had a quick look, and at first glance i noticed following issues:

• Cloudflare's SSL is acting as a MITM
• The link to the google play store is just linking to an apk outside of the play store. That's very deceptive
• Missing security headers: Content-Security-Policy, Feature-Policy
• Loads of thirth party scripts, including but not limited to google analytics

I know, i'm wearing a competitor's signature... That being said, i do use other services for mixing my coins, but none that are using cloudflare's ssl, are incorrectly labelling links as going to the playstore or mixers that send all my data to google in any way.

Don't get me wrong, i have no idear wether you're a scam or not... But you defenately have a lot of homework to do before you can open your service for business

Thank you for your interest. The fees can be chosen by yourself and remain the same no matter what amount is sent depending on the percentage you have chosen.




Thanks for your Feedback!
There is nothing wrong with using cloudflare. Just use our Tor link for more privacy.
This also protects our site from DDOS attacks and many other attacks and is used by many websites.

Google Play Store of course does not accept this kind of app;)

I think most sites on the WWW use third party scripts to analyze traffic or for marketing. You also need some Tools for Index it, e.g. on Google.

Thanks, solved!

We are happy about an Support Ticket:)

I like the design of site, not too much irrelevant information. Do you have some innovative feature or its just an ordinary bitcoin mixer?

For non privacy-centric sites, you are correct. However, if you use cloudflare's SSL certificates, cloudflare will be able to decrypt every package sent between your user and your server, since they're a MITM. They decrypt every package, and re-encrypt it with your server's certificate.
Cloudflare is located in the US, a country where any agency can gain access to these logs in a matter of hours.

If you switch to an x3 certificate, your users are immediately safe. letsencrypt is providing these certificates for free...

True, but you're trading convenience for privacy...

True, but in this case you shouldn't indicate you're sending your visitors to the play store... If the link clearly said you were locally hosting the apk, things would have been ok...

Sure, but privacy-centered services like mixers shouldn't... I've use matomo in the past, coupled with anonimised server logs they should do the trick.


Basically, your site sends all information about all visitors to a US based company. If they wanted to track one of your users, they could request all data sent between your user and your server from cloudflare, and all other statistics from google statics. They would end up knowing the funding transactions, the withdrawal transactions, the letter of guarantee, the ip's, the browser fingerprint, where your visitor came from, where your visitor went to

How much time it takes to process an order and what if I need some support. Whats the response time of your support?

Thanks :) Just check out our Website. We offer an Android App, Modern Design, up to 5 Bitcoin Addresses and a lot more cool things.





We do not use Cloudflare because of the SSL certificate.
We've checked a few other Bitcoin mixer websites right now, and yes, most of them use Cloudflare, check for yourself ;)

You can use our Tor link if you do not wish to do so.

You mean the Image where you can Download the app? Anyone see it if there click on it.
It's just a standard picture so people know that it's an Android app.

You determine this time yourself (you can enter any time during the ordering process). One confirmation is required and you must wait for this 1 Blockchain confirmation if you have selected "Instant", for example.

You can open a support ticket on our website and we will answer it within 24 hours.

We have seen too much scam in the form of Coin Mixers, is this just another scam?
How can I be sure that its not a scam rather a legitimate project where my BTC will be safe? I will use it only if I came to know that it's real and for that I need genuine proofs.

In my country, we have a relatively popular saying, which roughly translates to:
"if all your friends jump into a well, would you follow them?", it basically means: do you think the fact everybody else is making a mistake is an acceptable excuses to make the mistake yourself?

You are providing a service: you are breaking the link between 2 addresses (and by extension wallets), so nobody can connect funds in one wallet to funds in another wallet. This is handy when you try to have some privacy, to protect you against thieves, against beggers, against your family, against (corrupt) governements. When you use cloudflare, you are giving all cloudflare employees, potential hackers and several 3 letter agencies the "key" to your service. You're allowing them to link your customer's wallets together, and that's not acceptable. Sure, you have a hidden service, but be realistic: how many newbies will actually know the dangers behind cloudflare AND have the technical knowhow to install the tor proxy and use the tor browser?

It doesn't matter if the primary reason for using cloudflare is DDos protection, you're still using cloudflares SSL certificates... If DDos attacks are problematic for you, there are other sollutions (altough, they are commercial, so they're not free... Remember: "if something is free, you are the product")

Every time i see a mixer using cloudflare (and you are right, many of them are using cloudflare) i point this out, and 90% of the time i get the exact same answer as you're giving me... Sure, most mixers make the mistake of including a MITM in their workflow, that still doesn't make this right...

Great mixers don't use cloudflare's ssl or include thirth party scripts. Mixers that do use cloudflare's SSL are good enough to hide how much BTC you own for common thieves, beggers and nosy relatives... But NOT for cybercriminals, cloudflare employees or (corrupt) governements.

I'm going to stop posting here... I've given you enough advise, advise i've given many mixers... It's up to you if you want to say "i use cloudflare, live with it, case closed" or if you want to investigate why using cloudflare and thirth party scripts is actually a bad thing, and make your mixer safer for your customers.

Good luck with your business!

All Bitcoin mixers start with no reputation, they can't be considered "trusted" within a week. You already start with a negative attitude.

Secondly, if you need genuine proof test it yourself. That's what a lot of people do with small transactions to see. You can not expect to have people put the spoon on your mouth directly without doing anything. People are so lazy

To avail your referral program I have to use your service also? If I mix my BTC from your site only then I can avail your referral program or I can use otherwise also.

Thanks for your feedback :) If it should be a problem and other people think so too, we will gladly add it to our todo list.


I think @LeGaulois answered your Question ;)
It is very hard for a new website, we have to fight against fake feedback or scam reports from competitors in the beginning.
I think trust is created over time. You are welcome to test small amounts.



No of course not, you only need a Bitcoin address to participate in our partner program. You do not need to place an order on our site.

"Mixing" is a promising business, although it's the hardest field to get trust.
I had a quick look to the website after reading the full topic here. Op you can consider the following notes:
1- I find it too misleading to have backup domains in work. This would make it easy for thiefs to lunch a phishing copy of the website with another extension. Just one official domain in clearnet would be much more safe so users find it easy to ignore all other extensions. This doesn't deny that it's always effecient to reserve as much domains as you can with all other extensions but not necessarly to activate them or use them as backups.
2- Segwit addresses are not supported. You should consider adding them as number of segwit users growth day by day.
3- What is the "mixing power" slide which move if i change the fee rate?
4- This is the first time i see a mixing service asking for donations.
5- Max to send per order is about 24 btc. Do you have enough reserve to accept simultanious orders with some large amounts? Let's say 4 orders each one with 20 btc, can you proceed them simultaniously?

Thanks for your Comment.

1. Our Default Domain is [banned mixer], our Site is locked to this 3 Domains + Tor, Sure, you can always make a phishing copy of any page, but I don't think that's a problem, it's not hard to remember our domains and anyone can check our REAL website with the letter of guarantee before sending coins to the input address.

2. Yes, we didn't use them for a reason, but I put them on our to-do list, thanks.

3. We use different nodes in the background. By default, a blender mixes its coins from other coins from other customers. We also offer coins that are not from Coinomize, higher fees = cleaner coins.

4. We dont ask, the most mixers have an donation address in the Footer, check it self ;)


5. Many mixers use fake amounts (I won't mention the names now), but you can't build trust on fake amounts, that's our opinion.

We have different amounts on different nodes, I can't tell you more for privacy reasons. We grow with all of you and can accept higher amounts later. To your question if 4 people order, everyone gets his mixed coins yes, maybe with more time delay if there are more than 4 users, but just at the beginning i dont think anyone sends 20 BTC ;) but good questions like from you help us to improve our service. We will add a message for the users in case there are too many mixes in progress, where the user can't deposit and has to wait an X time. But of course we always get a message immediately if this would happen.

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Suggestion: remove the self-moderated status from this thread. You're in the trust-business, censoring (http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5440/54409187.html) posts doesn't inspire confidence.
You can remove this by moving (bottom-left) this topic to a board that doesn't support self-moderation (I recommend Archival), then moving it back to this board.

Can you sign a message proving ownership of a substantial amount of Bitcoin (close to the maximum you allow to mix)? This doesn't prove everything, but at least it proves you can do what you promise. I've suggested this to many mixers, but so far none of them ever did this. Feel free to PM the signature, I won't post the address but I will post a confirmation of a signed message if you do this.

I checked the site and there we can add up to 5 different addresses. My question is this if I want to
mix 0.067 BTC then you will send these coins in small chunks to all these addresses and accumlative
sum of all these will be .067? Let me know if I got it correct.

 All tumbler doesn't disclose their team member and locality details thats understood. I just wanna ask
you that do you have a team that is capable enough to handle this project? You have a team of expert
that has diverse experience or its just a one man show.

Thank you very much for the suggestion. I only did it because of the fake scam feedback from the other thread. As we know, they do not stop posting spam (the comment we deleted was one of them).

Do you mean a letter of guarantee or a message when the maximum amount has been reached? You are welcome to send me an PM with more infos  :)



Yes this is corrent. We divide the total amount minus fees between these 5 addresses. However, it is only recommended to use all 5 addresses if you send a higher amount, because you also pay per output address.



Unfortunately we cannot answer this question for security reasons! But we work as a team.

I mean a signed message. Your PM says "anyone can fake such things", which, unfortunately, is something I've seen a mixer say before. Please don't tell me you don't understand how messages are signed.

Sure we know it;) Our Letter of Guarantee is also signed. I think i know what you mean now. But even if a mixer publishes a proof, there is no guarantee for an exit scam or whatever.
It is better to work on a long time solution that can completely prevent a scam such as showing the private key for the input address maybe, if goes something wrong. Lets see.

It proves the mixer isn't broke from the start ;)

So that the customer can take his funds back after mixing? That doesn't make sense.

No, it was just an idea, in case a mixing process should go wrong etc. or the maximum amount was reached, e.g. if many users mix this amount at the same time. But it is the same as our idea before with the wait counter. This answer is not for you only. We will work on a reasonable possibility, maybe we will get more ideas from other users how to build a better and trustworthy system. Most of the time it comes with time, and everyone has to test it to know. So if you are careful, as with any new website, just send small amounts of money or use an other mixer.


Is there a known service that has done this before?

If you mean signing messages to prove they have the big balance they claim to have, then yes.

https://[banned mixer]/faq.html


[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1484009.msg15256505#msg15256505
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1484009.msg15350012#msg15350012
[3] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1484009.msg15428183#msg15428183

All three members are very trusted. I would also consider Loyce one (in case you want to do that), but of course you could see him as a "competitor" for using ChipMixer's signature

Thanks for this infos :) let me see what i can do.

I suggest you to please lower maximum fee of 5%. There are too many mixers in the market and by
lowering the fee you will attract more and more clients. We the community need good mixers with low
fees not high fees.

You can choose between 1% - 5%. You do not have to use 5% ;)
Visit our website or open a support ticket for such questions.

Thanks :) :)

Update:

- Today we increased the node payout fee for faster confirmations (you don't pay more fees!)


Another Fake Feedbacks found (Links removed)

Very funny, how a competitor with backlinks tries to destroy our business ;)
Maybe the same one with the first post here on bitcointalk.

I needed a tumbler and came across this one. I started with 2 small transactions followed by a bigger one. I am posting the proof here.
Its design is simple and it's easy to use. Others can also try and leave more technical feedback.

Unfortunately this is now becoming a norm. People are greatly abusing the righ of freedom of speech and if this trend continuous, real projects will suffer the most. We have to do something to stop this abusive use by other business competators.

@deadthings Thank you for your feedback, it helps us a lot :)




Yes, it seems so, but we do our best to provide a good service.

If it is allowed here, we give 3 free transactions to higher ranking members to test our service and give feedback afterwards.

By posting this, you've effectively linked your input and output so any mixing you did has to be done again.

I've done similar reviews in the past :)

Just to clarify, the testers will get payed for their tests (in other words: they'll receive a couple of buck to run the tests, so they won't have to risk their own money), or will they receive a code so you'll charge a 0% fee (but they'll still risk their own money), or something else?

Thanks for your Question.
If they are trusted users, we send these users the minimum mixing amount of BTC to their wallets so they can try our service for free and give us a Feedback.
I hope we can trust them ;)
I don't know if it's wise to just send Bitcoin to others, but since we have nothing to hide, and we just appreciate serious feedback, why not.
We do not accept newbie members or users who promote other mixers.

There are many people like me who constantly need tumbler to ensure anonymity. I tried this with minimum deposit of 0.003 btc and it worked as per my requirements. It has cool design (the most modern one I know), fast and friendly support and everything worked.
I have added this in my list of favourite tumbler.

Thank you very much :)

Free payment sent to:

@LoyceV
@Murat
@longyenthanh
@msarro

to test our service.

I can do an honest review of this service, provided I didn't lose anything in the process. I will review
about working of service, user experience, pros and cons etc. Let me know if I can do that.

Sure, you have been added to the list :)

I have done a lot of reviews in the future let me know if you want me to review your site.

It can take up to 24 hours for me to review it sometimes for the mixing site.

Regards

I can see that 3 members have already been selected, but can I test your service too?

hm okay, let's do it. But not much more^^ Send me your BTC address via PM.



Sorry but you have negative trust.

My Review -

1. Easy to find the mixing button.
2. Didn't understand the Coinomize code  (What is it?) Maybe add the description here as well.


3. Entered the receiving address without any issue.
4. Service fee easy to set
5. Transfer delay easy to set
6. Order Number saved
7. Letter of Guarantee (Signature verified)
8. The order status worked perfectly.

So far everything looks great & easy to understand. I will update this post when I receive the bitcoins.

Bitcoin Received without any issues.

This is first time I am reviewing a tumbler, so pardon me I miss out some core functionality details.
The good thing about this service that there is not much irreverent details that help in getting started with mixing your coins easily. No account required.   
I choose instant delay and got all of my BTC back in 1 hour. This time is fair enough, I can wait for an hour provided my coins are mixed properly.  There is video resource available that help new comers to see how to use this service.
In summary I will give it 9/10. For me it's a smooth experience.

Thanks  :)


Thanks @longyenthanh for your Feedback :)

I've received funds to test this mixer. Here's my review. I'll mainly mention what I think can be improved. I think that's better feedback than telling you what's good already.

Mixers are often popular targets for phishing. Having 3 different domains makes it more difficult to know which domains are real. Too bad you didn't get the .com, which was registered later than your current domains and is now offered for sale.

I tried all domains in my Tor browser. Both the .biz and .co tell me "SPAM IS NOT ALLOWED!" The .is domain works, just like the .onion. It also says "We recommend the use of Javascript in your browser, please enable it!", and at least the FAQ doesn't work without it. Disabling javascript is the safest option, and ideally it should work.
On the .is site, the language-flags aren't loading. On the .onion, it works.

I clicked "SUPPORT" to test the response time (less than 5 minutes). I was surprised it doesn't ask for an email address, you should probably explicitely mention it's not necessary to provide one. Instead, I received a support chat link, that's a good solution for privacy.
Bug: This chat can't display certain characters: when I type "I'm", it shows "I 39 m" in support chat.

I've verified the Letter of Guarantee using the above address. I'll leave this here in an unedited post for later reference.
You shouldn't recommend anyone to ever share their Letter of Guarantee with a third party. That compromises privacy.

Letter of Guarantee
The LoG ends on ".... Service! ", note the space at the end. I can only verify it after removing the space. Please remove this by default.

What happens if a transaction is still unconfirmed after 24 hours?

It's better to be clear, I think it should be this:

Miscellaneous comments
Under "minimum and maximum" in the FAQ, you should replace "differant" with "different".

I suggest to remove this limitation: it's much clearer if the minimum is a fixed amount. If a user wants to pay 2 times 0.0003 BTC fee to split 0.003 BTC into 2 output addresses, I think that should be possible. That's better than rejecting the transaction if someone deposits less than 0.006 BTC while he set 2 output addresses.

I quickly checked the Dutch translation, it mixes "je" (informal) and "u" (formal). Either one of those should be used consequently.

I don't like the animations: when scrolling down, items are animated into place instead of just being there, which would make it faster to find what I'm looking for.

The mixing
I used a native SegWit (bc1q....) address, and got: "Invalid BTC Info!". Bech32 addresses reduce fees, and also for privacy it's best to have as many options available as possible. They've been around long enough so it should just work.
I switched to SegWit compatible (3....), which works.
I completed the transaction without enabling Javascript. Everything worked as expected, and the mixing fees were as expected too.
However, the mining fee is insufficient! The mixer used 26 sat/byte, which (according to my Bitcoin Core) will take 8 to 24 hours to confirm. Fees went up since the block halving, and your transaction fee should adjust accordingly.

I mixed everything without enabling Javascript. It works, but for instance the sliders don't provide any feedback. I could still select the fee and delay "blindly" by moving the sliders without seeing the result.

Further testing
Even with Javascript enabled, I can only enter one "RECEIVER ADDRESS". How would I enter a second address?

Many thanks for your detailed feedback. Criticism also helps us to improve our service.

Yes as talk before in my Thread here (About the Domains). This is intended for a long time, so that we are still reachable after the closure of a domain and not only through the Tor domain.

"SPAM IS NOT ALLOWED!" comes only if your IP is in the Blacklist Database to prevent spam.


"On the .is site, the language-flags aren't loading."

For us everything works fine, maybe it is because of your browser or its version.

Bug: This chat can't display certain characters: when I type "I'm", it shows "I 39 m" in support chat.

Its not a Bug, just for security reasons only.

You shouldn't recommend anyone to ever share their Letter of Guarantee with a third party. That compromises privacy.

Thanks for tell us.

Your order is valid for 24 hours and will be deleted if no coins are received!

It means only if there no Bitcoins detected of course.

I can only enter one "RECEIVER ADDRESS". How would I enter a second address?

Yes because its temporarily not available, Check our telegram channel with Updates.

Too bad you didn't get the .com

.com is not secure for a mixer, can be easily shut down

SegWit address is already on our to do list.

The other things, we check it now :)

Sorry dont know how i can quote all extra :P


Update:

- "differant" replaced with "different" in FAQ Page.
- "Your choosen fee is .. + 0.0003 per Address." changed to "Your choosen fee is ..% + 0.0003 BTC per Address."

Review.

Dashboard is simple and very easy to use.
The more fee you set more is mixing strength, understandable.
Time delay you can set it yourself, set it to lower side if you need coins instantly.
I tried their support on website by creating a ticket and they replied my within 30 min, that's a big plus.
I got all my coins back and in time. I am now a happy customer of Coinomize.

Thank you very much for your comment and your test  :)
We always try to offer fast service. It never takes longer than 24 hours.

During initial launch support and other services are always fast and efficient. You need to be consistently good in your services if you want to gain long term success. I hope support and all services will remain good in coming days also and not limited to test and trial period only. I have seen many projects that lure customers by providing good services in early launch but greatly disappointed in coming days.

Yeah, you're right about that. We are always trying our best and there will be some updates with improvements in the near future.

Why would someone mix his bitcoins? There is no way anyone can associate a personal ID with a bitcoin address. I think we don't need such services its just a wastage of money.

In some countries Bitcoins are not allowed and companies like Chainalysis can easily track and identify Bitcoin transactions.
Just one example.
If you want to disguise your transactions, use a Bitcoin mixer. This way your Bitcoins can no longer be traced.

As I went through this thread, I noticed that the developer of this mixer is vigilant and doing a good job of answering questions about this project. I have also tested it and the mixer is doing a good job.

Thanks for your comment :)
We are also available at any time via support ticket.

Here is my review about [banned mixer]

The best thing is you can easily find the coin mixing interface. There are only two things you need to set to mix your coins. Mixing strength automatically gets adjusted with fee you choose while transfer delay have to choose yourself too. I mixed my coins with fee of 2.0069% and delay of 3 hrs.

Result: I received coins very much in time.
My experience: Excellent
Would recommend to others: Yes
Will use again: Yes

Many thanks for your feedback :) ::)

What mixing technique are you using and how can I be sure that coins are mixed properly ?

Depending on the selected mix strength we mix all coins with coins from other users and some with coins that are not from Coinomize. Among others with clean coins. In addition, you will receive a unique code for each mixing, which prevents you from getting your old coins back when you create a order again.

Wow. Such an active and enthusiastic admin. I haven't came across such admin so far here on this forum.

You are only giving chance to Senior members only in your feedback bounty program. You must also give chance to new comers to test your service. I am new to this platform but using mixers since 2017. Only because of my account level I cant participate in this bounty program. Spare some slots for newbies also who are expert in handling mixers. They will also give you feedback that can help you improving your service.

Not just Senior members. Only higher than newbie. But we only had three spots to fill. This is because we give away "Free" money and so everybody could open an account and accept money but not write feedback. It's just a trust thing.

I was the first one to try this service after going through there another thread. Its good to see more and mpre people coming up and trying there service. Way more to go coinomize

Thanks for your comment :) We do our best to offer the best service.

We are giving away 2 more "free" payments for feedback and to test our service. Same rules as before. :)  8)

Users:

@Lavander
@laurenB7742

Waiting for Feedback!

I wanna participate in this testing service. PM sent also

Interested in this test your service. Let me know if I can do that.

Accepted. Answered your PM.


Check PM.

I have used few other mixers before trying this. The best thing about this mixer is that its very easy to start mixing, you don't have to mess with irrelevant stuff on the site. That's a big plus, since people who don't have much time to fill out too many fields can also use this tumbler.
Support replies you on time. So overall its a good tumbler.

Edit: I received my coins within the delay time which I selected at the time of mixing. So there algos are very much well tuned

Here is my review about this mixer.
They have working Tor link of the site. Which is good for users that require complete anonymity. Only .biz domain not work in tor remaining both .is and .co work fine in tor.
Interface is light and simple. Only thing I don’t know was ‘coinomize code’. Thanks to early reviews here, I got idea of that. Rest of values are easy to adjust i.e. fee and delay.
Letter of guarantee is legitimate. I verified it myself.
That’s it. It’s that much easy to use coinomize

Thanks for your Feedback :)


For Tor Access use the Onion Url from us ;) Thanks for your Feedback.

So you have designed a cool website, I admit.
Can you tell me how much secure it is againest cyber attacks like phishing ?

Our official Domains are:

https://[banned mixer]
https://[banned mixer]
https://[banned mixer]


Our Onion Domain (Recommend to use):

http://coinomthajerbtq7.onion


To check if you are on the correct website, use your Letter of Guarantee and verify it with our Bitcoin address:

1CrywjDEzzpEMxdWzCDgtmZ3Tr57XrnANV

I did a quick search for "bitcoin tumbler " and find this tumbler. It's good to see success stories here. The project looks new but it's closer to getting it done.

My experience with Coinomize:

Support responds within less than 2 hours, the Bitcoin mixing process is very simple and works well.
I have now used the service several times and have never been disappointed. Even with larger sums I had no problems.
For me it is the most modern Bitcoin mixer currently on the market and I will definitely use it more often.

Thanks for your Feedback @mm2543363580 :)

I have a question: How many confirmations do I need for different Bitcoin amounts, or are they always the same? For example, other mixers require 1 confirmation for smaller amounts and up to 4 confirmations for larger amounts.  And when will you also accept Monero or other crypto currencies? I've already leave my vote on your site.

If you send your Bitcoins to Coinomize, only one confirmation is needed.

https://[banned mixer]/faq

oh okay, so for all transactions only 1 confirmation, thanks for your answer @Murat

Yes 1 confirmation for all as @Murat says.
We are already working on an update to accept more coins, but its take time.
You are welcome to follow us on telegram, so you won't miss the latest updates.

What happen if my connection is lost or my browser crashes during mid of transfer? Where should I contact in case I need help for my transaction

This is not a problem at all. If you have downloaded the Letter of Guarantee, you will find your order number in it. And you can always return to your transaction with your order number under "Order Status".

If you do not have an order number or letter of guarantee, you can send us your Transaction ID/Input address in case of emergency.
You can contact us via a support ticket on our website.

If I understand it correctly as soon as you send your transaction you no longer need to stay on the page.

Yeah, that's right :)
Just start a mixing process, download the Letter of Guarantee or save your order number, send your Bitcoin amount to the input address and then you can close the page.
You can always return to the payment page by visiting the "Order Status" link.
Even if you never visit the payment page again, your transaction will be executed automatically.

Congratulations to your ANN thread here at bitcointalk. This always helps to build trust and improve your service.

I have also tested coinomize and here are my results

The good thing about this mixer is that it is really easy to use. Even if you have never used a mixer before, you can still use it easily.  (For the beginners among us)

The support answers quickly even if it is still such a stupid question, he remains friendly and helps you gladly.

The mixing process went without problems and everything works as it should.

What could be improved or changed when I visit the Onion Site, it takes a little longer than usual because the elements are only shown when scrolling down.

But otherwise great service.

Thanks for your Feedback @crypto_geek55  :)
We will put it on our to do list for the next update.

I was in search of tumbler and hit upon this thread. Its the first time I tried any tumbler and this tumbler did the job which I was looking for.
I set fee to 1% and time 30 min. I was able to get my coins in 30 min. Thank you for being in time
Can admin of this thread tell me how does minimum and maximum fee effect the mixing strength? Like minimum mixing strength is good enough to achieve anonymity or not?

Yes, it is fully automatic, if you choose 30 minutes, it will be sent after exactly 30 minutes. ;)

We have different pools for this, higher fees, more coins not coming from Coinomize users, but if you choose the lowest fee, it is still safe.
For high Bitcoin amounts we recommend a longer delay time of several hours.

My feedback for [banned mixer]

1. The fees and the delay time are easy to set and the whole mixing process is very easy to use.
2. I asked a question to the support via ticket and received an answer within 2 hours.
3. Letter of guarantee was verified and was valid.
4. The bitcoins were sent exactly after the delay time I selected.
5. The order status check works and I can return to my transaction at any time.

Great service and I will definitely use it again.

Thanks @RomiM for your Feedback :)

Update:

We now also accept SegWit Bitcoin withdrawal addresses!
More updates are coming soon :)

Very good bitcoin mixer that I like to use more often. So far I have not had any problems, everything works as it should. I am looking forward to more updates (more accepted coins for example), when will they come approximately and what will change?

Thanks :) We always do our best to make our customer happy.
We make small changes every now and then.
Big changes and updates, like new coins and maximum user privacy (Remove Cloudflare and more), we will start early next year. There will also be some new features available.

We had a maintenance in the last hours.

Changes:
- Mixing algorithm changed
- A few minor things were changed/fixed

Our new Tor Onion V3 domain: http://[banned mixer]

The old one: "coinomthajerbtq7.onion" is no longer valid!

We have made a few design changes that should result in a faster website.  :)

We had some short technical problems which are fixed now, if you have any questions write our support.

Is your https://[banned mixer] service working?

Sure, you can use our Bitcoin Mixer through the following domains:

https://[banned mixer]
https://[banned mixer]
https://[banned mixer]

and the Onion Tor Link:

http://[banned mixer]

For further questions write to our support on our website :)

Seems like you're already quite old enough in the forum but glad that you finally opted for a sig. campaign to build your brand here. Following the suits of chipmixer, I suggest you to run a long term campaign to get noticeable results.

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Meanwhile, I also wanted to ask that is there an issue with the link [banned mixer] ? Since I can't access it here.
https://i.imgur.com/7HH2Bac.jpg

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PS: Other domains are not accessible as well. Everything says forbidden!? Anyone else got the same issue?

Yes we wanted to test it ;)


No problems with Coinomize, it's just the firewall that blocked your request or IP, change your IP or use the Tor browser.

PS: We have adjusted the text to avoid misunderstandings.

Correct, seems like my WIFI is blocking the site. However when I change the network, it works. Working on Tor as well.

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What is the maximum mixing amount per address ? Just went through the faq page:
"What are the minimum and maximum mixing amount?
Our minimum mixing amount is 0.0015 BTC per added output address. For your and our protection we operate several nodes and cold wallets with different balance."
Cant find anything related to maximum amount.

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Would it be possible to mix coins to multiple output addresses in a single transaction?

There is not really a maximum limit.
We have very high reserves and even if this reserve is exceeded, we still have a solution integrated so that there are no problems.

But according to our experience, no one sends so extremely much and for security reasons you should always divide very large amounts into smaller ones.


We had at the beginning up to 8 output addresses but have removed it because it came to problems, when we have more time we can integrate it again.
Of course, good for very high amounts.

Privacy is the most important thing in our time, so for any Bitcoin investor who wants to protect his privacy when he sends Bitcoins to someone or when he buys any products online, then [banned mixer] will be the perfect decision for Bitcoin investors and miners in countries that ban cryptocurrencies in order for them to be 100% anonymous and completely safe and their transactions are not tracked by governments, as the connection between their bitcoin transactions and their real-life identity is hidden in the bitcoin address. All they have to do is mix their own bitcoins through this amazing site. [banned mixer] is one of the best Bitcoin Mixers & Tumblers on the Internet for several reasons it is easy to use, the service fee is low from 1% to 5%, and it has continuous support around the clock.

I am going to be honest and say that I didn't know about this business before the signature campaign, and now it looks like its definitely something that I will be using very much so, because I really need it. One of the worst parts about crypto is that if you write your wallet address anywhere, and I mean literally anywhere, people keep a note of it and they keep following you. I assumed bitcoin would be privacy for my finances considering it doesn't have my name anywhere, but turns out its not and they just connect your username to your wallet address and keep following you all the time. This is why mixers are awesome.

Checked her, and for about 3-4 times a month I am getting payments and I am going to use coinomize for it now, of course not huge enough to actually matter to you guys, its not going to push the limits at all, basically just a bit over the minimum level each time, but it definitely has my approval, going to do my first this week! Its so awesome to have a mixer we can connect not just financially but emotionally as well because we can talk to you right here if we ever have any questions, you don't have that with any other mixer in the world.

Thank you for your words, we hope that we can protect the privacy of many more people over time  :)

The [banned mixer] mixer is more than two years old and next May 2023, it will be 3 years old. I did not remember about your service because you are not too actively updating information and products in this announcement thread.

To help the service has more traffic in this thread, more regular news is needed.

I suggest the company to consider a Review campaign together with the Signature campaign that was launched days ago. Many mixers have Review campaigns and as I knew, those campaigns are very good for mixer services to get solid feedback to improve their mixers and if reviews are good (not financial incentivized) they will gain good reputation.

Thanks for your tip. We will think about it, at the moment we concentrate on the signature campaign  :)
Suggestions for improvement can be sent to us at any time via our ticket system.

I took a very close look at your site and I have to say that I really like the design. Even if I look at the site in german language, the translation is really good. That's not always the case. But what surprises me is that you can only mix bitcoins or do other coins also work? Can't find anything about it. I do see the ethereum and monero logo but when I click on them nothing happens. Is it wanted like that?  :)

As you can read from the title too, Coinomize is a Bitcoin only mixer, no other coins are supported atm.
But when I click on them, they (the logos) dance by moving a bit clockwise and anticlockwise  ;D
Btw, just to be clear, there are not many ETH mixers I heard of, and there is no point for a monero mixer (since its private by nature already).

Thanks :)
We have also made an effort to translate each language as well as possible.

Yes exactly only Bitcoin possible. At the beginning we wanted to add several but we think Bitcoin is the most used currency in terms of mixing.



Right but we wanted to leave the logos in the end because it looks better visually ;)

Thanks for the answers. I was just wondering why the logos are on the side. This gives you the impression that you could mix other coins. But ok, now I know.  :)

Another scam fake clone domain found: coinmize.co!
Please do not use!

The announcement is very clear all the information and explanations you need are here even newbies who want to use mixers can understand the explanation I recommend that you add your WHOIS since your project is already in its third year it adds credibility and trust to the project, especially for mixers, the video link I notice is not working, I recommend that you upload it to other video sharing platforms.

]https://www.whois.com/whois/[banned mixer] (https://www.whois.com/whois/[banned mixer)

Thank you, yes the [banned mixer] domain was created on 2019-11-18.

That video tutorial on the home page does not work in Tor browser otherwise everywhere.
It was removed because of attacks there. We will solve it later.

Edit: We have added the Clearnet video link in the Tor version

Hey, would you mind explaining how exactly increasing the service fee increases the mixing level?
Is it just a case of: the higher the fee - the more unrelated btc addresses will be used to produce an output? Or is there more to that?
In one of the other mixer threads, a few people (myself included) were a bit confused about how this actually works.

We use different mix techniques and wallets depending on the fees.
This also includes exchanger funds without connections to mixers.

Hey, quick question: for the purpose of the Referral Program, what's your view of someone registering a domain with a similar name to yours and redirecting the traffic to you via the affiliate link? I think most businesses won't mind that but I've seen a few having a problem with such practices, as they see it as 'stealing traffic' etc.

This is not a good idea for any reason!
You should then rather use a domain with "Bitcoin Mixer", "Bitcoin Tumbler" such as: mybitcoin-tumbler.com.

No worries, I understand. On one hand, there would be a benefit for you of referrers bearing the costs of various domain extensions and similar names (with traffic ending up on your site anyway), but on the other hand - they wouldn't be bringing any new traffic but rather capitalising on people already looking for you but just mistyping the url etc. So I get why you're not happy about the idea. Won't be doing that then :)

Well, you don't actually need your own "Coinomize" domain for this, because if you have your own website or blog, you can simply add your referrer link to Coinomize name  ;)

I have a question about Time delay with [banned mixer].

On the landing page, in the table for "How much does it cost to use a Bitcoin Mixer?", it is written that Time delay is Instantly - 72 hours.

I am curious to know when the time delay can be up to 72 hours. Is it only related to time for data storage at [banned mixer] mixer or also related to anonymity level for users.

I understand that if user chooses a longer mixing time, the mixer will give them better anonymity from a mixing procedure.

The time delay refers to the amount of time your bitcoin is being mixed.

So how long your bitcoin stay with Coinomize before they are paid out.

You can track your payment at any time via the order status and you will see a time counter when your payment is sent.

This increases anonymity because your transaction can no longer be found on the blockchain due to the times and with large amounts of Bitcoin these are mixed better because many users deposit within 12-24 hours, for example. It is therefore impossible to follow the tracks.

Otherwise, one could theoretically recognize your transaction if you deposit it at 10 a.m. and it is paid out to you again at 10:05 a.m. with a similar amount.

Coinomize stores your order data for 3-4 days, then they are automatically deleted, including any user data from the server logs (e.g. IP addresses). You can delete your order immediately after the payout via a button without having to wait 3-4 days.

I asked because people might worry to let their bitcoins at the mixer for too long like 3 to 4 days. I know having better anonymity is better but at the same time, it increases risk because common fear is people don't know what will happen with that service.

Any chance to consider giving users to get payout after like 1 to 2 hours or 10 minutes but to a different receiving address?

I mean the mixer can user mixed coins from like 3 to 7 days previously for payouts for that user. Then their bitcoin sent to the mixer will be mixed and used for payouts for future users 3-7 days later.

Maybe it is a challenge for the mixer if it is a really big payout and if there is such challenge, your mixer can have terms for that. Like payouts under a max value will be paid instantly perhaps. For payouts that have bigger value than the max, users will have to wait longer.

Perfect to have options to wait for the mixer deleting process or self-delete it without waiting a few days.

Your fear does not increase the actual risk. The risk is the same whether the mixing takes 10mins or 3 days.


Well, they do have Time Delay slider, which you can just set to 0 minutes if you wish to.


Either I don't understand your question, or you don't understand the benefit of time delay. It doesn't matter how long coinomize holds funds before sending them to a new customer's address. What matters is the time between you sending to coinomize and coinomize sending to your new address(es).
i.e. if you send 1.2345btc to mixer and 10 mins later a new transaction of 1.2345btc goes into your wallet, then even if there's no "hard" connection between those 2 amounts and the coins have different origins - it's not hard (for anyone analysing all bitcoin transactions) to make a logical conclusion that those 2 transactions may be linked and are not coincidental.

Thanks for your questions @tbct_mt2. I think @pawel7777 has already answered it very well.

It is of course a matter of trust. Coinomize has been around since 2019 without a user ever not having their coins paid out. We take this very seriously!

The maximum time delay is 72 hours (if that's what you mean by "3-7 days later").

Regarding time delay: Simply explained, as an example, Person A, Person B and Person C send exactly 1 BTC to a Bitcoin Mixer. Person A sends his bitcoin at 9 am, person B at 10 am and person C at 11 am. Without a time delay, person A would get his bitcoin back immediately, but what if person A had chosen a time delay of 4 hours? Then no one would know whether the Bitcoin paid out belonged to person A, B or C.

If you have further questions or need more detailed information, you can always send us a PM or write to our support.

Thanks @pawel7777 for your explanation.

Looks like the biggest mixer has been seized by Europol: https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2023/03/15/germany-and-us-seize-over-46m-crypto-tied-to-chipmixer-investigation-europol/
I didn't expect they would craft such wide-spread operation with multiple countries involved. Allegedly almost $50 millions (in bitcoins) have been seized.

As much as it is a great opportunity for smaller mixers like Coinomize to fill the gap and capture a larger share of the market - it's also a sign to never let your guard down. So be careful out there guys.

The articles don't mention if anyone has been arrested though, so hopefully operators are safe.

Nevertheless, it's the end of an era.

Agreed. I think all mixers along with coinomize might see an increase in user growth using the platform after the chipmixer seizure. Where will all the chipmixer users mix their coins now? Coinomize has the upper hand here being one of the oldest mixers here in the forum. There are a few more who are trying to take the advantage but they're all new and not as expirienced as coinomize.

Yes that happens unfortunately more and more often, therefore a mixer should not save any data in case of a closure.

Also surprising what the 7 terabytes of data should be.
But maybe just all lies to intimidate others, the same with the amount of Bitcoin. All a deception possibly of the authorities.

Coinomize is happy to welcome all Chipmixer customers :)


Thanks, that's right, Coinomize is one of the oldest bitcoin mixers now :)

Be very careful what you wish for, after all, Chipmixer was allegedly used by criminals to launder $3 billion and you do not want those criminals start using Coinomize for illegal purposes.

Personally, I think it is just a matter of time before all mixers will be used for money laundering by dangerous criminals therefore various international law enforcement agencies will take action to close down mixer websites and will seek the arrest of mixer owners.

Are you worried your website could soon be seized by the FBI and an arrest warrant could be issued for your arrest?

They don't try to shut down sites for that reason, but because they don't make money from it.
They hate everything they cannot control.

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Another scam fake clone domains found: coinomize.la and coinomize.pw!
Please do not use!

Mixing is not laundering.
Laundering is when you make illicit funds appear legit (i.e. when you find a way to report and pay tax on them).

Bitcoin is a public ledger, so there are plenty of legit reasons people want to use mixers to keep their holdings private.

In a sense, it's similar to you walking to the shop and paying with say a $100 bill. Is it immoral for a shopkeeper to accept it without knowing whether you earned it or stole it? Should it be his responsibility to investigate that?

You have to ask yourself a question to what degree are you willing to sacrifice your privacy and freedom for "safety" (aka government control).

You are absolutely right, thanks ;)

2 years and some months down the road and yet you still use Cloudflare for your DDoS protection ::)

https://i.imgur.com/OkwsauH.png

How are we supposed to trust you if you can't even fulfill your promises in time?

Come on, folks, let's be serious. If you promise privacy, then let it be absolute privacy. People pay a fee for this "privacy". The least you could do, try to keep your end of the bargain.

We said it yes, but our opinion has changed.
There's a very good reason almost everyone uses Cloudflare.
There are more advantages than disadvantages. You can hardly run a secure site these days without a service like Cloudflare.

The result has been seen on many websites that have removed Cloudflare in the past.

If you don't trust us after 3 years, you should use another mixer.

You can use Coinomize 100% anonymously by simply using our Tor link, if you dont like Cloudflare  :)

I think Bitcoin_Arena wanted to point out something else. Using Cloudflare does not make you less reliable, just less privacy protection. It is known that Cloudflare collects a lot of data about site access.


Using Tor is always a better solution for everyone who wants more anonymity. You should certainly not force potential users to go to another service, this do not help your business.


I would ask about your referral program through Tor, is it still possible like on the main domain?

Yes, we understand some people's concerns about this, but it's also not how many think about Cloudflare.
A lot of things here are just guesswork.

But even if you use another CDN such as DDoS-Guard, there is no 100% guarantee that no data will be stored there.
No matter which country the head office is.

Even if we now assume Cloudflare saves every single user's IP, doesn't every user of a mixer not use an anonymization service in one way or another?

We personally don't see any major risk here because we take care of the protection of the data on the server side.

Nowadays you should be more worried about whether the mixer saves all user data and for how long, because many say they don't save logs but many do, we don't.

Because no matter whether you switch on your Internet or open your browser (or have installed a browser extension), data from everyone is stored everywhere.

Of course, using Coinomize via the Tor Browser and the Onlion Link is always recommended and solves this problem in case anyone should bother.




Yes, it is possible on all domains :)

A MITM (Man In The Middle) can save much more than just IP-addresses. They could for instance link all incoming and outgoing Bitcoin addresses together.

Yes, that's right, in case of MITM attack.

That's literally what Cloudflare does (or at least can do). See theymos' view (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2485318.0) on Cloudflare.

The slogan of Coinomize is Low fees that is attractive but Bitcoin blockchain and its mempools can be changed a lot by demand from users and its capacity to handle transactions will depend on miners too. If miners plug in more ASICs, total hashrate will increase and increase the network capacity. If miners unplug their ASICs, the capacity will decrease consequently in a same network difficulty period (14 days).

With recent spams from Ordinals, BRC20 tokens, what is the view of Coinomize and what will be your plan for Fees on Coinomize?

I appreciate the team inputs for this issue on fee.

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After I clicked on a clearnet link, I got this message
Why Coinomize does not direct users from clearnet to Onion without that message and requirement to copy and paste that link manually?

We have had issues with fees since 2 days ago as blockchain fees have increased extremely and some users had to wait 1-2 days for 1 blockchain confirmation, however all withdrawals are already confirmed and we have already increased our blockchain fees. Currently we are paying the increased fees, not the customer. We'll wait and see how long it stays like this.


Thanks for the info, it had other reasons that we did it this way but we will change it the days.

Hello @Coinomize reps, I’m interested to know how to get the coinomize code that I can use for my Bitcoin mixing? I’m planning to try the service this upcoming Monday and I’m thinking if this Coinomize code will give a discount or whatever benefits when I mix?

I already sign up on the referral program but there’s no code available so it means that it’s not related on referral? How can we possibly earn this code? BTW is there a chance to lower the minimum withdraw amount for the referral commission? I’m considering to invite my friends to use the service since we only offer 1.5% fees in contrary to what they are using right now.

Hello, you will receive the Coinomize code during your first mix process and it will be displayed on the deposit page.
The code is used to ensure that you will not get your previous coins back for any other upcoming transactions. This leads to a higher anonymity.

You can't earn anything from the code but from the referral program if someone else uses your link.
Regarding referral  payout limit, we are thinking about it, even if it is not really high at the moment.

You are welcome to try Coinomize :)

The information about Referral program likely is not correct.
https://[banned mixer]/referral
Or your example is not correct. I don't know how the $500 is calculated from in this example.

Mix 1 BTC, 4% mixing fee is 0.04 BTC and 25% commission fee from it is 0.04 x 0.25 = 0.01 BTC. It is the commission fee the user will get, no way to get $500.

Or was the example written when Bitcoin price is $50,000?

Right, that's why it's an example ;)  ".......you will receive 500$ depending on BTC price."

Do you think of writing it again to avoid confusion?

" ... you will receive commission amount in $ depending on BTC price." I think it will not cause any confusion and it is not only about confusion. Some referrers can call you as scammer and it is not good at all. My 2 sat contribution for the team, we need clear terms and good examples. ;D

Is the commission in $ or in BTC? From the example, I think it will be sent to user in $, not in BTC.

Yes exactly that was an example only in USD $ and was calculated at a time when the Bitcoin price was still higher.

If you have a Coinomize affiliate account and a user uses your referral link you will get 25% of the Coinomize fees (In BTC). You will see all amounts in your account in Bitcoin amounts (Your current account balance also in USD at the current rate).
The payout is of course also in bitcoin to your bitcoin address specified during registration.

I hope your question is answered, otherwise feel free to write us.

Hi, how can one make sure you are not keeping logs or are not working for any government or private organization? Maybe you should think about addressing those issues.

Our safety and the safety of our customers is very important to us since 2019. Coinomize stores order data only as long as it is needed for payments.
It would be stupid to store user data over a long period of time, as this could also incriminate us.

To your question, no one can be sure what data a mixer stores, what the examples in the past show. Everyone says no logs policy but store data anyway.
The use of a mixer is based on trust  :)

https://[banned mixer], https://[banned mixer], https://[banned mixer] all the three website links of coinomize is down in my region, is it that nobody uses mixer in my region why coinomize exclude my region? Or is it that my browser is the one given me the error message? Mixers supposed work across the globe and this is the only Mixer I have meant that restricting people to use their mixer in my region.

It is not down, we have only blocked some high risk countries (Attacks).
You can use Coinomize via the Tor browser without any problems and we always recommend to use a VPN.

okay, thanks for the clarification. I just used Tor Network , onion browser to check the site and also the process and steps to mix coins and from my look of things, steps are much easier than to others that I have been trying to use. It is just the receiver's address and the deposit address with captcha and that is all. I really like the steps to use the mixer. Thanks.

Thanks :) You are welcome.

Thank you for giving clear clarification for us.

Tor browser is perfect to use when we are using mixers and it is available on mobile too. VPN is a good alternative but only paid VPN, not free VPN.
https://www.torproject.org/download/
https://www.torproject.org/download/#android (Android)

Best VPNs for privacy: https://www.privacytools.io/privacy-vpn

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I noticed that [banned mixer] ranked up to Full Member, so is it time for you to wear an avatar of the company?

I can't access the clearnet from my country. Any particular reason why it's blocked in my/some countries?
Edit- Just have seen an explanation, I can't believe why my country is counted as a threat/high-risk country. Maybe your algorithm has some bugs which can't identify high-risk countries  :D

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/30/wuYRa.png

Anyway, I tried to visit the site with onion address and finally, I was able to access the site. While I was looking at the different features, I found the fee system a bit weird. Well, I'm not talking about the 1.5% minimum fee which is of course a thing. It's a bit high I think.

You have a Mixing Strength bar when we/users input different data. That's great. But why it changes only when we increase the fee but it doesn't change when we change the transfer delay, it barely changes (very little in terms of changes in fee). How a higher service fee is going to ensure a higher level of privacy while a higher delay in the transaction will provide a lower level of privacy? Is it an attempt to influence the users to pay a higher amount of fees? Or it's part of the mechanism which I'm missing? You can put an explanation right above the bar so people can understand how a higher fee is going to increase the privacy level.

NordVPN sells or gives I think data to authorities.

Oh thank you, we didn't realize it, changed :)


High risk means a variety of attacks such as DDOS. No Bugs :P
What is your country? Or you can send it to us via PM if you like.


The fees are in the lower normal range when you look at other mixers. Which exactly do you mean if not the minimum fee?


The slider bar shows only an approximate result but the fees are decisive. Different nodes are used depending on the fees. We are working since 2 days on a new cool option, we will probably revise this with it. The time delay also increases the slider bar but not as much as the fees.

How would this incriminate you?

You know, mixers are expected not to log its user data for long period of time, doing so is considered as illicit, scam, not to be trusted, etc. although people ^{(depends on their ethics)} could consider mixers is illicit itself.

It is well known that authorities do not like mixer services.
Let's assume, for example, that a mixer stores all user data from the beginning.
The government seizes its servers and arrests the owner.
All the stored data now serve as evidence.
The penalty would be higher if the owner had laundered $100 million than if the government had found only the last three days' worth of data containing, say, $20,000.

I'm from Bangladesh. It's not a secret so I can share it publicly. However, I tried clearnet with VPN too and the result was also the same. I couldn't visit the site.

Yeah but as the way you show it, it seems higher fee = higher degree of privacy while higher delay in transaction doesn't provide that level of privacy. It's good to know you are working on a cool option.

Will they count all the txs as laundered? Or they will only take care of txs from criminals? This has always been my interest because a lot of people uses mixer just to make sure no one can track their financial activities.

But in VPN not Bangladesh as a country right?

Yeah sure, both are factored in.

This was just one example.
According to statistics, Bitcoin mixers are only used for illegal transactions in about 5% - 10% of cases.
The government does not like them because they do not earn anything from them. And they want to control everything and everyone.
They can only check what is available. Due to lack of time probably only high sums.
They certainly use blockchain analytics companies to compare data. And probably also read everything here in the forum to collect info ;)

Nah... And I can give you an exemple with Bestmixer. They didn't considered every TXs laundered but they have done it with a criminal who used their service. (story: the guy was arrested with gold, luxury watches, BTC wallet, cash,...)

If you're not suspected of something, they won't track you.
And they were able to do it with bestmixer....since they had acess to the server during many months... (IPs, logs, chats,...)


I confirm

Interesting choice of words, why would you say "laundered" instead of "obfuscated"?

One could also argue the other way: "the penalty could be lower if the owner cooperates and provides accurate details on all processed transactions, thereby effectively nullifying the obfuscation". One way or another, I wouldn't use this as an argument to convince users there is no logging.

Bangladesh can be used now.


Probably yes, thanks for your explanation.


In the example, I was talking about the government  ;) They see it as laundering money, we don't. For us, privacy is a human right and neither illegal nor anything else.


Maybe.
We did not use it as a direct argument. We wrote: "It would be stupid to store user data over a long period of time, as this could also incriminate us." This is a statement.

You guys have been in the service since 2019. Do you have any plans to change your website's domain? I'm not gonna lie; I'm concerned that the current one might make people think it's a scam in my own opinion (or because it's  not common domain e.g com, net, io). What do you think about changing it to make your website seem more like trustworthy?

Official domains are below.

It does not make sense to spend millions of dollar to buy a domain, if [banned mixer]m has such expensive value. A domain can be either dot com, net, io but it does not mean that domain name is an official one of a service.

A famous scam site is bitcoin.com that is owned by Roger Ver and Bitcoin Cash team. It does not represent the unique Bitcoin. If you want to get information and download Bitcoin Core wallet, you must go to either
https://bitcoin.org/ or https://bitcoincore.org/

In the mixer area, secure and anonymous domains are the most important. The normal standard ICANN domains can be taken offline more easily.
That is why .com, .net etc domains are mostly not used in this area.

In addition, for mixer users, Tor domain is most recommended by any mixing service.

The clearnet domain is not too important for mixing service but the Tor Onion domain is.

[banned mixer] has its onion domain is

Yes, you are right. To achieve a higher anonymity you should use the Onion URL of a mixer :)

@[banned mixer], I recently experienced an error when visiting all the clearnet website available. It shows that my IP is related to bad IP so it was blocked. I use coinomize before without this issue but with differing device. I'm planning to mix my tokens that came from my paypal service payment.

The website is showing when I visit the other clearnet website then press back but it was blocked again once I click the refresh button. Is the error on your side or from my IP?

Here's how it looks like:
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/25/Pwevm.jpeg

This message usually appears when you use a VPN and the IP is blacklisted due to too much spam, for example, and does not have to be your fault.
Just change your IP if possible or use our Onion Domain via the Tor Browser.

I also experienced the same thing a few weeks ago, but now it's normal.
It may also depend on what provider you are using, because some internet providers that I use always appear IP blocked.

But now it doesn't appear any more and runs normally.
As Coinomize suggests, use Domain Onion via Tor Browser, it will be more secure than using a free VPN or another way can also change to Google DNS Cloud Flare 1.1.1.1

If I'm not wrong, 1.1.1.1 is a Cloudflare product and not a Google product. You might be referring to 8.8.8.8 instead. It also doesn't solve the problem of IP blocking since it just encrypts your DNS request afaik.

LOL, I just realized what I wrote.
So using a Tor Domain is most recommended at this time if the Provider blocks Clearnet Domain access.

We are in the same country, can you access all Clearnet domains without a VPN?
Previously I also received an IP blocking warning, but after a few weeks, access was possible again.

Is it always recommended to use Tor Domain than Clearnet domain when using a mixer?

Clearnet domain is for guests who want to explorer a mixer only and when they decide to use that mixer, they are recommended to use Tor domain. If a person has intention to use a mixer, I believe there is no problem to explorer that mixer with its Tor domain at beginning too.

I know the issue you brought here is still an issue for anyone who visit the clearnet domain in restricted locations but will Coinomize team be able to fix it, I guess not.

The problem with many VPNs (hosting provider IPs) is that they are often used for attacks and spam and are therefore often blocked and not without reason. With a VPN, you cannot distinguish whether the user before you or you are responsible for it. However, to our knowledge, this happens rather rarely at Coinomize that our users are blocked. You could use a not so well known VPN with fresh IPs or just use the Onion URL from us. If someone is blocked who doesn't use a VPN feel free to send us a PM.

Yes, I can do that, but that is probably because my IP uses a static IP most of the time so I wouldn't be surprised if somebody else got blocked because somebody abused the IP. I would suggest people use ToR anyway since your goal is to protect your privacy in the first place unless you don't want to mix and just want to check how the web works.

I just visited the website without a VPN and got an IP-blocked message. Is it possible that the blocking is done based on the origin country instead of the IP range? It is surprising to see that my IP is blacklisted even though my ISP is quite popular and not the first choice for bots to attack other websites. I guess it doesn't really matter f most customers use the onion link to access the service, just feel like the restriction is quite strict with clearnet.

I can still access Coinomize without VPN without the IP being blocked, the internet service provider I use is FirstMedia so it's not on the ISP's blacklist...
But it's a little slow to access this mixer with Clearnet, you have to wait around 40 seconds for the mixer to run smoothly, the same goes for Onion via TOR, it's the same as the slow one I accessed from Clearnet.

Are you using IPv4 address? If so, providers assign the same IP to many users and only change the port since there are no more IPv4 addresses.
But we will see what we can change in the next update. In our experience, only about 1 from 50-100 gets this message.
Only IPs that are blacklisted and often used for abuse or live attacks are blocked. It is very difficult to distinguish natural traffic from bot traffic nowadays.


Still? We will observe it.
Per Google Speedtest, the value is 91-97, so very fast. This is then due to your connection.

Yes, my ISP does support IPv6 but I've yet to test it to visit the website. Not to mention sometimes the connection just fails if I use IPv6. I understand that this is not a priority to fix since those who want to use a mixer are likely to use a TOR anyway, but I'll try to test it when I have the time and my connection is available.


Are you using IPv4 as mentioned above or IPv6? FirstMedia is not available in my area so I can't test it. Have you tried using a dedicated DNS to see if the issue is related to your default DNS or not?

We do not block entire ISP IP ranges. We only block certain IPs that have often been reported as being abused. This is necessary to protect our infrastructure and is used by almost every website today. Regarding speed, this often depends on your location, your used internet access, device, browser, browser extensions or many other different factors like attacks or congestion, it may take a few seconds longer.
On the whole we don't see any need for action here as everything works fine and rarely users are blocked who don't use a VPN/proxy with many blacklisted IPs.
Just change IP in the VPN (the use is recommended) or use Onion Url.

Understandable, my ISP is quite popular to begin with so I wouldn't be surprised if some users use the IP for spam or something similar. I use VPN to browse the clearnet but since I use a cheap service it is not surprising that the IP is also abused by others. I wouldn't recommend visiting clearnet if people want to mix, to begin with.

+1 with this one. At least as a service provider you understand your costumers concern as the fees is really been exorbitant in the last couple of months because we all know the reason for that.

And definitely, as a customer we wanted to see that we are not that affected and getting the best possible confirmation if we uses such services as yours. Although the fees has somewhat settled down a bit, it is still very high for average mixer users.

Thanks 8)
Many people want to have their mixed coins as quickly as possible and not wait an hour or more than a day.

 Hello there coinomiz, do you offer special referral program?

In what way? Do you mean this: https://[banned mixer]/referral?

Merry Christmas  Coinomize team ,Manager and signature participants and all members of this great forum, this maybe will be the last week to read and check this thread so for that let me start Bumping this today till the last day it is available.

action to show how much we valued your service and your presence in this forum.
this maybe the last week having us here but will be Joining you in another one, so Greetings for all and lets share all the blessings and love .

- bitterguy28 !!!

Merry Christmas 8)

Congrats on the new thread. It seems like other services are already doing some ad campaigns over there, the competition seems intense. Hopefully, your sig campaign will also be successful. I've already registered an account and will continue to participate in the campaign on Altcointalks. Looking forward to working with you again.

You teleported?  ;D

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From the look of things, if this forum continues with these bans, trying to please the Government even before something is declared completely illegal. It's going to lose traffic. From my observation, the only thing keeping much traffic is Bitcoin and crypto services advertising here. Banning them is simply a slow, certain forum death.

We also think  ;)