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I don't think I've officially heard any updates on whether eBay is allowing for sales these days or not.  Does anyone know what the current rules are for selling funded items on ebay? I'm sure this of course differs from country to country.  I'm also curious if PayPal has changed there stances at all?  

I wouldn't dare sell anything funded on there but in the UK it won't even allow me to list an empty Casascius coin for auction or buy it now, let alone anything funded. It can only be a classified ad which opens up a whole new world of faff.

I don't see what their beef is with a lump of metal with a particular name.

PayPal doesnt like orangecoin for some reason  ;D

What's become of Paypal's decoupling from Ebay? Hard to know which of the two dislikes it more. I can imagine Ebay themselves get more earache from customers who've been raped having a Bitcoin dabble so even if they get a completely new payment set up they will carry on as before for the sake of a quiet life.

I woudn't touch PP with a stick, be carefull as seller i heard there is really bad support for them and there's big chances something can go wrong. I has a youtuber as example/proof if you want.

Idillicaly when doing any package id take vid till i send it, proof is proof.

Video or not most everytime they side with the buyer.  Had a couple GPU's brand new in box, months later got them returned to me all beaten up and ebay fully refund them.  I can only imagine if buyer peeled a coin then claimed you shipped it peeled....good lord.  For a small denomination coin not that risky but high value ones I'd rather take much less here using escrow versus using that website/payment

Anyhow I wouldn't really feel like using ebay, why not incentivise people to use openbazaar?

Video or not most everytime they side with the buyer.  Had a couple GPU's brand new in box, months later got them returned to me all beaten up and ebay fully refund them.  I can only imagine if buyer peeled a coin then claimed you shipped it peeled....good lord.  For a small denomination coin not that risky but high value ones I'd rather take much less here using escrow versus using that website/payment

Erm, how? I wouldn't sell for less than what something was worth. On an average day openbazaar probably has 50 weirdos on it. Ebay will have 50 million, not that I'd ever sell on there. The only place I'd do it is here.

A lot of coins appear to have moved through Ebay. I find it incomprehensible how anyone could risk it.

That's so fucked/unlucky... I funded my Ether mining rigs by reselling GPUs back in 2017 for profit and probably sold at least 50+ with no returns or BS like that. I used to sell "jailbroken" fire sticks on eBay too maybe 5 years ago and probably did 250+ sales with only 1 return where they sent an empty box back. eBay said it was the cost of doing business and you need to pursue it with the police if you want to do anything about it.

Video or not most everytime they side with the buyer.  Had a couple GPU's brand new in box, months later got them returned to me all beaten up and ebay fully refund them.  I can only imagine if buyer peeled a coin then claimed you shipped it peeled....good lord.  For a small denomination coin not that risky but high value ones I'd rather take much less here using escrow versus using that website/payment

Erm, how? I wouldn't sell for less than what something was worth. On an average day openbazaar probably has 50 weirdos on it. Ebay will have 50 million, not that I'd ever sell on there. The only place I'd do it is here.

A lot of coins appear to have moved through Ebay. I find it incomprehensible how anyone could risk it.

Any updates on this anyone ?

The headlines about pig's blood and cockroaches might have grabbed your attention yesterday over the scandal emerging from the usually staid e-commerce giant eBay. Federal prosecutors in Boston charged six former employees, including the former head of corporate security, with criminal cyberstalking and witness tampering after an almost year-long investigation into their effort to destroy the lives of a journalist and her husband. But one person who skated shouldn't escape this ugly spotlight: eBay's former CEO Devin Wenig.

It was Wenig's obsession with the couple's small news site covering eBay that led to the entire mess. In repeated communications with his staff, Wenig complained about the coverage on the site and began to get more specific, though never too specific, about his desires for what should happen to it: "Take her down," and "if you are ever going to take her down now is the time," are among the hot takes he texted to one of his direct reports. That person, who was not identified by prosecutors, reached out to the head of security and passed on Wenig's angry missives, setting in motion a crazy, harebrained and (now allegedly) illegal harassment campaign.

The conspirators bought burner phones and prepaid debit cards with cash, set up anonymous email and Twitter accounts, and used a VPN to try and hide their tracks. They mailed the couple all manner of disturbing things, including a mask of a bloody pig face and boxes of live cockroaches and spiders, while sending them threatening messages over Twitter. Then they traveled to Boston, spied on the couple, and started posting dangerously false meet-ups on Craigslist using the couple's address. When the couple complained to police and reported the license plate number of one of the eBay harassers' rental cars, the group concocted false paper trails, tried to delete their texts, and lied to detectives.

Wenig now says he knew nothing about all that. “As confirmed by the company, following a thorough, independent investigation, I did not direct or know anything about the acts that have been charged in Boston,” Wenig said in a statement to the Financial Times. “I have spent my career defending press freedoms. What these charges allege is unconscionable.”

The company on Monday apologized to the couple and said that while Wenig's "communications were inappropriate, there was no evidence that he knew in advance about or authorized the actions" described in the complaint. Still, the matter was among "a number of considerations" leading to Wenig's departure in September of last year, the company said. The former CEO was allowed to resign while keeping his annual compensation of $17 million, plus another $40 million negotiated as part of a severance package.

Prosecutors said the investigation remains ongoing and a civil lawsuit from the couple could be forthcoming. But as of today, it remains an unconscionable breach of leadership and moral standards that the $57 million man is getting off so easily.

After what I just experienced this week with eBay and PayPal, I can honestly say I am done using both services permanently now. Long story short, I sold two digital codes that I had, sent buyer message with code, buyer responds back several minutes later that their account was "hacked". eBay rules in my favor so then buyer files claim with PayPal and PayPal states intangible goods are not covered (oh but they are covered per the April 13, 2020 update) and on top of this, PayPal now charges a $20 chargeback fee to seller, is this not hilariously outrageous? Sellers now incur a $20 fee even if a buyer was "hacked" bc they chargeback, I mean lmao, now we are charged a fee for something that is 100% out of our hands? Class action lawsuit all but guaranteed on the ethics of this chargeback fee practice.

Here is what has been made evident:
- eBay offers ZERO seller protection when PayPal is used as payment as I lost items without compensation as eBay has no actual jurisdiction on PayPal funds
- I could see this same scenario playing out with loaded collectibles as even though the actual coin was delivered, if the buyer claims the "digital money" was not on there, I could see the clown at PayPal reviewing the case claiming intangible goods not covered to the same extent as this.
- Your only chance of survival is honest buyers  :-\

I have filed several claims against PayPal in regards to failure to honor Seller Protection Policy and the chargeback fee that is uncontrollable. Funny thing is, I actually saw I lost the dispute and didn't know about the update to intangible goods policy and was like eh oh well but then I saw the $20 fee I had to pay for being scammed and that's when I went on my witch hunt for evidence. Will update if anything comes of this, but sellers beware.

The problem is that when you’re on the other end it they are your best friend which is why they stay around.

Here's the catch 22. The #1 way people learn about the hobby is the Encyclopedia of physical bitcoins. That book created an industry. But, the #1 way people actually start collecting (obtaining a few items for themselves) is Ebay. I hate Ebay, but I still sell peeled or unloaded items on Ebay because I think it helps promote the hobby. Don't get me wrong, I profit some too, but the hassle and the way EBay disfavors the seller makes it risky. Still worth it though. I have been able to move many things I don't want to keep for my collection at good prices while benefiting the broader hobby.

Steeley

By the way, I just do not have the stomach for selling loaded items with more value than a Satori even if it is allowed by their rules. Too many variables that could result in loss.

I wouldn't go as far to say those things about the Encyclopedia personally, and I certainly don't think it created an industry..but it of course helped some.  Yeah ebay is still too risky to sell stuff on for me, but it's been essential to this hobby and growing it.  It's also a better price indicator than this site is, as there's of course a lot more buyers on there. Adding crypto as a payment source will certainly help protect against chargebacks (which of course won't be possible), but ebay will still side with the buyers and I don't see this as changing anything for the better in that regard, other than chargebacks.  Unless I'm just not thinking of something/missing something.   

Few days ago I saw the news how Ebay is preparing to add Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency payments on their platform.
This is probably going to be something similar like Paypal did, with custodial wallet and outrages fees, but it's still good news for bitcoin.
I just hope they are not going to release some new Ebay shitcoin, but anything is possible :P

I want to point out, also, that paypal is no longer associated with ebay.  It hasn't been for awhile, however, Ebay now requires users to input their banking details and the payments are received by ebay themselves and then ebay releases payouts every 3 days.

My problem with eBay is that they almost ALWAYS side with the buyer on disputes, regardless of how untrustworthy or unreasonable the buyer is.  I no longer sell on eBay because I was burnt too many times.  I will occasionally buy on there when I am looking for a niche product.