Selling on eBay- What's the deal these days?

[ChiBitCTy]

I don't think I've officially heard any updates on whether eBay is allowing for sales these days or not.  Does anyone know what the current rules are for selling funded items on ebay? I'm sure this of course differs from country to country.  I'm also curious if PayPal has changed there stances at all?  

[wheelz1200]

I don't think I've officially heard any updates on whether eBay is allowing for sales these days or not.  Does anyone know what the current rules are for selling funded items on ebay? I'm sure this of course differs from country to country.  I'm also curious if PayPal has changed there stances at all?  

PayPal 🤢

Honestly chi I dont know either havent caroused the crypto ebay scene in awhile.  

[Sat0shisGhost]

TL/DR fuck em.

My impression is it's not allowed but it's also not really enforced.

I tried reporting an obvious crypto scam a few months ago and reached an error page when I was trying to report, so it might not even be possible for people to report your listing.

Last I checked, you couldn't even put 'bitcoin' in a listing title unless it was listed in the 'mining contracts' section (and that whole section is one giant scam).

It's been a few months since I've sold anything there and things may have changed.

[FFrankie]

I hate the tactics used to sell physical coins on eBay. Words such as "Like Lealana" "like Casasius" "rare"

[Room101]

It's probably similar to selling stuff like vapes. They will let you sell it, take the commission, then if the buyer complains for any reason what so ever, they will refund them because you were selling something not approved for sale, with no recourse what so ever. I would never do it.

[ChiBitCTy]

Thanks everyone for the replies.  This is pretty much what I figured as well.  Ebay always seems to ban things for a while, do a good job of watching over it and not allowing it, then they just sorta stop caring/paying close attention.  Another good example of this is the Elon Musk The Boring Company Flamethrowers.  They banned these for a while and were all over shutting down listings, now..doesn't seem like they care much.

& Yes for the record fuck both eBay and PayPal...scumbags.

[gentlemand]

I wouldn't dare sell anything funded on there but in the UK it won't even allow me to list an empty Casascius coin for auction or buy it now, let alone anything funded. It can only be a classified ad which opens up a whole new world of faff.

I don't see what their beef is with a lump of metal with a particular name.

[wheelz1200]

I wouldn't dare sell anything funded on there but in the UK it won't even allow me to list an empty Casascius coin for auction or buy it now, let alone anything funded. It can only be a classified ad which opens up a whole new world of faff.

I don't see what their beef is with a lump of metal with a particular name.

PayPal doesnt like orangecoin for some reason 

[gentlemand]

PayPal doesnt like orangecoin for some reason 

What's become of Paypal's decoupling from Ebay? Hard to know which of the two dislikes it more. I can imagine Ebay themselves get more earache from customers who've been raped having a Bitcoin dabble so even if they get a completely new payment set up they will carry on as before for the sake of a quiet life.

[ChiBitCTy]

PayPal doesnt like orangecoin for some reason 

What's become of Paypal's decoupling from Ebay? Hard to know which of the two dislikes it more. I can imagine Ebay themselves get more earache from customers who've been raped having a Bitcoin dabble so even if they get a completely new payment set up they will carry on as before for the sake of a quiet life.

This is a good question.  At first I thought the two companies were spun off just for some sort of legal/taxation blah blah reasons.  But from what I've read/heard eBay truly hates PayPal now.  What I've also heard is eBay is going to come out with a new payment system, replacing PayPal. 

I think PayPal is the company to dislike more.  They are just like Coinbase and will decide if they approve of your payments and who they're going out to with a moral/value driven approach, of their own liking.  They will freeze your funds, provide little explanation, and make you work like a dog for anything you get back from them with little help on their end.

That's why I keep telling everyone around here STOP USING PAYPAL- SWITCH TO GOOGLE-PAY

[andulolika]

I woudn't touch PP with a stick, be carefull as seller i heard there is really bad support for them and there's big chances something can go wrong. I has a youtuber as example/proof if you want.

Idillicaly when doing any package id take vid till i send it, proof is proof.

[wheelz1200]

I woudn't touch PP with a stick, be carefull as seller i heard there is really bad support for them and there's big chances something can go wrong. I has a youtuber as example/proof if you want.

Idillicaly when doing any package id take vid till i send it, proof is proof.

Video or not most everytime they side with the buyer.  Had a couple GPU's brand new in box, months later got them returned to me all beaten up and ebay fully refund them.  I can only imagine if buyer peeled a coin then claimed you shipped it peeled....good lord.  For a small denomination coin not that risky but high value ones I'd rather take much less here using escrow versus using that website/payment

[andulolika]

I woudn't touch PP with a stick, be carefull as seller i heard there is really bad support for them and there's big chances something can go wrong. I has a youtuber as example/proof if you want.

Idillicaly when doing any package id take vid till i send it, proof is proof.

Video or not most everytime they side with the buyer.  Had a couple GPU's brand new in box, months later got them returned to me all beaten up and ebay fully refund them.  I can only imagine if buyer peeled a coin then claimed you shipped it peeled....good lord.  For a small denomination coin not that risky but high value ones I'd rather take much less here using escrow versus using that website/payment

Lol had that peeled coin in mind when writting all that message, yes the youtuber sent a working old lappy and got back the battery only and buyer was refunded.
A lot of people said and makes logic any big deal of physicals maybe should be done in person. Anyhow I wouldn't really feel like using ebay, why not incentivise people to use openbazaar?

[gentlemand]

Anyhow I wouldn't really feel like using ebay, why not incentivise people to use openbazaar?

Erm, how? I wouldn't sell for less than what something was worth. On an average day openbazaar probably has 50 weirdos on it. Ebay will have 50 million, not that I'd ever sell on there. The only place I'd do it is here.

A lot of coins appear to have moved through Ebay. I find it incomprehensible how anyone could risk it.

[kryme]

I woudn't touch PP with a stick, be carefull as seller i heard there is really bad support for them and there's big chances something can go wrong. I has a youtuber as example/proof if you want.

Idillicaly when doing any package id take vid till i send it, proof is proof.

Video or not most everytime they side with the buyer.  Had a couple GPU's brand new in box, months later got them returned to me all beaten up and ebay fully refund them.  I can only imagine if buyer peeled a coin then claimed you shipped it peeled....good lord.  For a small denomination coin not that risky but high value ones I'd rather take much less here using escrow versus using that website/payment

That's so fucked/unlucky... I funded my Ether mining rigs by reselling GPUs back in 2017 for profit and probably sold at least 50+ with no returns or BS like that. I used to sell "jailbroken" fire sticks on eBay too maybe 5 years ago and probably did 250+ sales with only 1 return where they sent an empty box back. eBay said it was the cost of doing business and you need to pursue it with the police if you want to do anything about it.

[andulolika]

Anyhow I wouldn't really feel like using ebay, why not incentivise people to use openbazaar?

Erm, how? I wouldn't sell for less than what something was worth. On an average day openbazaar probably has 50 weirdos on it. Ebay will have 50 million, not that I'd ever sell on there. The only place I'd do it is here.

A lot of coins appear to have moved through Ebay. I find it incomprehensible how anyone could risk it.

As always i think its a hard time for openbazaar cuz bitcoin always better being held than sold and I also noticed they hide some users, im having trouble recovering my acc and cannot find a seller i wanted stuff from, and couldnt find myself either, this is definetly a down turn.

Anyhow sorry for the off topic, a lot of people trusts ebay and surely most buyers there don't know bitcointalk, on the other hand it isnt so bad as buyer there rather as seller.

I woudn't touch PP with a stick, be carefull as seller i heard there is really bad support for them and there's big chances something can go wrong. I has a youtuber as example/proof if you want.

Idillicaly when doing any package id take vid till i send it, proof is proof.

Video or not most everytime they side with the buyer.  Had a couple GPU's brand new in box, months later got them returned to me all beaten up and ebay fully refund them.  I can only imagine if buyer peeled a coin then claimed you shipped it peeled....good lord.  For a small denomination coin not that risky but high value ones I'd rather take much less here using escrow versus using that website/payment

That's so fucked/unlucky... I funded my Ether mining rigs by reselling GPUs back in 2017 for profit and probably sold at least 50+ with no returns or BS like that. I used to sell "jailbroken" fire sticks on eBay too maybe 5 years ago and probably did 250+ sales with only 1 return where they sent an empty box back. eBay said it was the cost of doing business and you need to pursue it with the police if you want to do anything about it.

I think ebay should think more about sellers, never used ebay and I don't know much about it either.

[ChiBitCTy]

I woudn't touch PP with a stick, be carefull as seller i heard there is really bad support for them and there's big chances something can go wrong. I has a youtuber as example/proof if you want.

Idillicaly when doing any package id take vid till i send it, proof is proof.

Video or not most everytime they side with the buyer.  Had a couple GPU's brand new in box, months later got them returned to me all beaten up and ebay fully refund them.  I can only imagine if buyer peeled a coin then claimed you shipped it peeled....good lord.  For a small denomination coin not that risky but high value ones I'd rather take much less here using escrow versus using that website/payment

Wheelz I swear you have the worst luck with stuff like this.  Now that sellers can no longer leave negative ratings, and a return does not any longer mean PayPal will return the service fee.. it's getting so hard to make that your first, second, or third stop to sell something these days.  I just sold that thing we were discussing on ebay but for the first time in almost 20 years of being on ebay I had to stipulate "10 plus feedback and 6 months active account a requirement".  Even still how can you ever feel good about selling anything ? lol what a joke.

[ChiBitCTy]

Anyhow I wouldn't really feel like using ebay, why not incentivise people to use openbazaar?

Erm, how? I wouldn't sell for less than what something was worth. On an average day openbazaar probably has 50 weirdos on it. Ebay will have 50 million, not that I'd ever sell on there. The only place I'd do it is here.

A lot of coins appear to have moved through Ebay. I find it incomprehensible how anyone could risk it.

Well because of the massive market it reaches.  I've snagged some stuff there people would have killed to see come through here. The other problem is Ebay's wishy washy moderation.  For example the Elon Musk Boring Company Not A Flamethrowers. The market flooded with them, a bunch sold, they then decided to ban them, but the moderation lasted a laughable few weeks.  They took everything down and then it's like they said okay we did our part to look compliant, now we want the sales so we will let most if not everything go through.  Then if they want they can ban you on both ebay and payapl after the fact. lol scumbags.

There is a really great undercover news story out there where a team exposed PayPal/Ebay (one in the same at the time) in a very embarrassing fashion.  It exposed so many messed up and immoral actions they practiced as a company and made them look horrendous. I can't seem to find that out there now ...anyone else seen this before? Would love a link to it if anyone has it by chance. 

[ChiBitCTy]

Any updates on this anyone ?

[kryme]

Any updates on this anyone ?

https://fortune.com/2020/06/16/ebays-former-ceo-is-getting-off-too-easily-in-its-ugly-cyberstalking-scandal/

The headlines about pig's blood and cockroaches might have grabbed your attention yesterday over the scandal emerging from the usually staid e-commerce giant eBay. Federal prosecutors in Boston charged six former employees, including the former head of corporate security, with criminal cyberstalking and witness tampering after an almost year-long investigation into their effort to destroy the lives of a journalist and her husband. But one person who skated shouldn't escape this ugly spotlight: eBay's former CEO Devin Wenig.

It was Wenig's obsession with the couple's small news site covering eBay that led to the entire mess. In repeated communications with his staff, Wenig complained about the coverage on the site and began to get more specific, though never too specific, about his desires for what should happen to it: "Take her down," and "if you are ever going to take her down now is the time," are among the hot takes he texted to one of his direct reports. That person, who was not identified by prosecutors, reached out to the head of security and passed on Wenig's angry missives, setting in motion a crazy, harebrained and (now allegedly) illegal harassment campaign.

The conspirators bought burner phones and prepaid debit cards with cash, set up anonymous email and Twitter accounts, and used a VPN to try and hide their tracks. They mailed the couple all manner of disturbing things, including a mask of a bloody pig face and boxes of live cockroaches and spiders, while sending them threatening messages over Twitter. Then they traveled to Boston, spied on the couple, and started posting dangerously false meet-ups on Craigslist using the couple's address. When the couple complained to police and reported the license plate number of one of the eBay harassers' rental cars, the group concocted false paper trails, tried to delete their texts, and lied to detectives.

Wenig now says he knew nothing about all that. “As confirmed by the company, following a thorough, independent investigation, I did not direct or know anything about the acts that have been charged in Boston,” Wenig said in a statement to the Financial Times. “I have spent my career defending press freedoms. What these charges allege is unconscionable.”

The company on Monday apologized to the couple and said that while Wenig's "communications were inappropriate, there was no evidence that he knew in advance about or authorized the actions" described in the complaint. Still, the matter was among "a number of considerations" leading to Wenig's departure in September of last year, the company said. The former CEO was allowed to resign while keeping his annual compensation of $17 million, plus another $40 million negotiated as part of a severance package.

Prosecutors said the investigation remains ongoing and a civil lawsuit from the couple could be forthcoming. But as of today, it remains an unconscionable breach of leadership and moral standards that the $57 million man is getting off so easily.