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My intention is not to start any argument but to simply express my feelings and thoughts. I want to believe I still have the right to think freely. Let me enjoy at least this right as long as it lasts.

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Most of us have started this COVID-19 thing through either little panic or through the "flatten the curve" narrative. But I believe it's going way too far now.

From "14 days of isolation" and "let's not create a hospital oversurge", my country has reached the point where I am not allowed to buy stuff from the store anymore without having my temperature checked. It's mandatory, it started today and I am basically not allowed anymore to buy groceries.

Following the front-pushed narrative, I must not be allowed, according to the latest official documents from my country, inside any store in case my body temperature is over 37.2 degrees C. But let's take a look at what the Internet said before this pandemic about the normal temp of our bodies..

According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_body_temperature), the normal body temperature is around 37 degrees C (36.5-37.5). In that case, why am I not allowed and even arrested if I have a normal body temperature?

From "stop complaining so much, it's all about 14 days of isolation! Anything else is bullshit!", I am right now constrained to take the body temperature test or else I wouldn't be allowed to buy food. Wait, what? Wasn't it all about bullshit and conspiracy? As far as I know, taking the body temperature is a medical procedure (at least according to our national system)  yet a simple worker could take mine and take action against me for having normal body temp. What the fuck?

Online stores in my country allowed cash payment upon delivery and I always choose that one. Well, guess what: the shops are now starting to put mandatory TAXES for cash upon delivery payments. Have you guys heard of cashless societies? Oh, wait, it's a conspiracy full of bullshit.. Another thing I'm now constrained to do: pay taxes for cash payments so that I'd be forced to move to online payments! But what if in about 6 months our banks will say "hey, look, everyone is now moving towards cashless.. so we decided to remove cash completely!" - constrain me and then talk about how useless cash is? Yeah, bullshit, right.. it'll never happen. Of course. Conspiracy.

Now let's follow an imaginary, "full of bullshit" scenario: Someone pops up with a microchip they allegedly created to improve human health and create protection against viruses. WHO pops up and says "that's a GREAT idea to stop the pandemic!" and suddenly, from "flatten the curve" and "14 days of isolation", we've got to microchipping. If I'm today not allowed to buy groceries anymore without NORMAL BODY TEMPERATURE, why is microchipping so far-fetched?

But wait! Elon Musk. Have you guys heard of this guy? He revealed not too long ago that he's working on a Neuralink.. hmm, what is that? A microchip? No way! Bullshit! But what if I told you that Neuralink "could potentially be used to restore eyesight, hearing, and limb movement in addition to addressing diseases that affect the brain" (https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-neuralink-brain-chip-put-in-human-within-year-2020-5?r=DE&IR=T)?

COVID-19 doesn't affect the brain right?.. but do we know what other strains of COVID-19 is going to appear in the future? Hmm, I think Bill Gates does, I mean didn't he say 2020 is the year he's betting on for vaccines? He's probably the human crystal ball..

But it's still conspiracy. Everything. I mean, go outside and see for yourself! Everything is absolutely normal, who's even heard of quarantines and draconian measures? Who the hell says the microchip is the mark of the beast and is probably less far-fetched than most think? All is a conspiracy.. if you want to enter a shop nearby in Romania, you have to sit in line to be temp checked like cows are sitting in line to be marked. But it's just bullshit..

Non-medical staff checking my temp is against the law. But wait! It's for our health.. we have no more rights because it's for our own health and well-being.. I mean, have you ever enjoyed life as much as you did in the past 2-3 months? Damn right! I haven't either!

But let's take two statements:

• You cannot enter the store unless your temperature is verified
• You cannot enter the store unless your temperature is validated through a little device

Do you see a difference? Because if the second bullet is to be announced in a matter of days, people would take it .. but what if it does more bad than good? I mean, Bill Gates only posted an article (https://www.gatesnotes.com/Health/What-you-need-to-know-about-the-COVID-19-vaccine) recently on his beautiful website. Let's read just three quotes:


The savior Gates! We'll have many serious side effects but it's going to be worth it. IN FACT, we're going to give the vaccines multiple times to make sure the elderly will surely have at least one side effect to die from to make sure they'll be protected from this damn virus that kills almost nobody everyone in its way!

But I have a question... why does the PREP Act (https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/03/17/2020-05484/declaration-under-the-public-readiness-and-emergency-preparedness-act-for-medical-countermeasures) provide liability immunity to certain individuals and entities against any claim of loss caused by, arising out of, relating to, or resulting from the manufacture, distribution, administration, or use of medical countermeasures for COVID-19? Probably because many will die and suffer from the multiple doses of vaccine For our good! For our health! For our well-being! Gates is our savior.

Many people complain that someone with no studies doesn't have the right to complain against the measures. Well, isn't Gates a college dropout now dictating our lives? That's right! Whoever doesn't have studies is full of bullshit and has no right to say a word! If I have 2 graduated colleges and you have only one, I am superior and I have the right to choose how YOU live! Gates is a genius college dropout.


Let's face the reality. For one, single moment. Close your eyes, take a deep breath. Wake up. There is no new normal. We're witnessing the worst nightmare right before our eyes.

a temperature check is not a medical diagnoses for you.
its a safety check for everyone else.

what you will find is that when people are in a store. if they are injured/harmed in that establishment due to something that can be prevented by the shop owner. the shop owner becomes liable for that harm. especially if the shop owner knows about the potential harm/risk

its why there are 'caution slippery floor' signs and shops are suppose to be at a certain light level and temperature even in normal non epidemic events. things like max shelf stacking heights too

by having a temperature check, and markers on the floor to remind social distancing, it obsolves the shopowner of responsibility because then it was the persons voluntary own choice to then do something risky.

right now in the UK schools are in uproar where government want kids to go to school because covid is not a health risk to the kids. but is not helping much with the safety of teachers and parents when kids mingle and pass it around.
teachers want to be provided with face masks and gloves and aprons as a minimum. but the government say it should be just wash all surfaces and hands policy. unless someone is symptomatic.

.. i digressed
a shop owner has to keep himself and his business and other customers safe. and having a temperature check is not much of a impact to a persons day.
id actually be happy if a shop owner kicks out someone thats overtly sweating and coughing over the fruit

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atleast its not like WW2 rationing. where you were given vouchers to do your shop and only able to buy certain produce. and only on certain days,

That may be the case for the country you are living in. In my country, it is a medical procedure that can only be done by medical personnel.

The "the shop owner becomes liable for that harm" excuse doesn't make sense when you have a pandemic that has had an extremely inflated number, and now that is a fact.

You are mistaking owner's liability for law. It's becoming mandatory to have temperature checks in my country. Everywhere in my country. It's not that I, as a business owner, want not to be liable for any harm. It's that I'm obliged to check everyone's temperature and report whenever one has normal body temperature to the authorities.

Why did we never have temperature checks in any stores before? This is becoming pretty silly - it's like humanity has only just discovered the existence of microbes, viruses and risks. It's like never before has there been any risk when entering a shop. Like humans never had temperature ever before and we've just discovered it. It's plain nonsense.

I'm sorry but it was about flattening the curve. It was about waiting 14 days in mandatory quarantine to flatten it. It never was about not allowing people with normal body temp to enter a shop. Now it is.

Do you get the fact that we're being considered infected by having normal temperature? NORMAL temperature? Do you get that we're acting as if humanity has discovered the first virus ever? I bought a box of masks from the pharmacy and guess what is written on the side of it: "these masks do not provide protection against COVID-19 (Coronavirus)". Heh, how ironic is it that we're however obliged to wear them..

How ironic is it that you guys are following their narrative when.. let me show you the greatest example of how it has changed and how we're being blatantly lied to by these so-called "saviors" and "authorities":

• Fauci says masks are useless and may actually do more harm than good (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LScHAvufgfM)
• Fauci says masks are the best PPE for the public (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh1BeCpioSw)

So I guess whenever you catch a cold you're overly sweating and coughing on all fruits and food excessively. Right? This sounds exactly like the mainstream media narrative - they showed a few days ago a video of two men sneezing without covering their mouths and they were sneezing in such an exaggerated way spit was hanging off their chin. If that's how people sneeze, I may be the anormality maybe - who knows..

I'm not convinced that Bill Gates is a good representation of an average college drop-out.

They are covering themselves legally. Think about all the products that say 'may contain nuts' - even though there is effectively zero chance of them containing nuts. It costs nothing to put a line of text on some packaging, it could cost millions to defend a lawsuit from someone with a nut allergy... or who contracts CV19.

If someone with CV19 is standing facing you and coughs, would you prefer they are wearing a mask?

I'm happy with temperature checks, too. Seems sensible and prudent.

Companies are trying to keep up with government advice/orders. If they are told anything over x degrees is potential infection, then they are obligated to treat it as such. Better to have a standardised approach rather than different companies doing different things.

The difference with this is that it is a new virus, there is no pre-existing immunity. That's why it has become a pandemic, whereas seasonal flu does not.

There's a good demonstration here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc_JZARit8w) of how a virus can spread in a public setting. I agree with you that a video of someone sneezing in a way that doesn't represent normal behaviour may be counterproductive to the acceptance of what is a genuine problem.

Sensible restrictions are an important part of keeping the R value below 1. Now there may be reasonable personal liberty concerns over things such as abuse of track-and-trace technology to monitor citizens after the pandemic is over, but temperature checks and masks seem perfectly acceptable. However, sending people out into society with no clear guidance, or with guidance that can't reasonably be implemented (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5249106.msg54447972#msg54447972) is not.

Is that why Fauci said that mask wearing is a false sense of protection? Is that why our authorities, before the pandemic was declared, told us the exact same thing and then, all of a sudden, they became mandatory?

Has someone ever stood in front of you and coughed? Did you ever run away from them thinking they may have some virus you could catch, be it highly contagious or not, considering that you do have a chance to contact it? Me neither, so I wouldn't mind if someone coughs. But I do mind if someone coughs right in my face be it through a mask or directly, obviously. That's common sense.

Whenever I say something is wrong about a law, people are tempted to think I am against the law. I'm not against the laws that are fine. I'm against abuse and nonsense. I get that you have to keep up with the government orders. But how is it okay to consider a normal temperature unusual and suspect that person for having a virus?

Well.. I still have to hear yet of a person who's been infected (or had a relative/friend infected) with severe effects of the coronavirus. It's been 5 months and I still haven't heard of a. single. one.. We've had much more serious viruses and diseases and nothing's been closed. My local shop workers never wore masks properly as they cannot breathe properly (especially older women) and they haven't heard of anyone either to be infected with serious effects. The workers are fine as well. The image you see on the TV vs the image you see in real life is like two parallel universes.

I do get that it's a virus can spread easily in a public setting. I'm just highlighting the propaganda I see 24/7 on the TV where 2 men sitting at a distance of half a meter sneeze in the face of the other abnormally. The problem is that these kind of things are seen on tv on a daily basis.

According to the official narrative, this "pandemic" will be over in approximately 18 months when we'll have a vaccine. That means two years of governments having complete control over their citizens. I will make sure to share a beer with you if this all ends and we'll return to the lives we used to have before. Make sure you remind me ;D

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I'm surprised. We literally have videos of the same authorities now telling us masks are great and efficient that were saying only few weeks/months ago that they are a false protection and everyone is simply ignoring how the narrative has been changing every day to get to the measures and rules we have today.

I did not imply that taking my temperature is the beginning of the end. I did not say that somewhere in my post, did I? I didn't say that temperature check is the worst nightmare, why are you interpreting my words? I was talking about the situation in its entirety. By "the beginning of the end" I initially meant to say it as something linked to religion. I am personally a Christian and I feel like we're on a fast-forward track towards the mid of the Apocalypse.

So it's fine that the law and constitution are now gone and they're illegally doing all the stuff they're doing. Our Romanian Constitutional Court said it. That's all fine, isn't it?

And I know my thoughts are posted on a privately owned message board but.. am I not allowed to? Are only your narrative and thoughts allowed to be posted here or am I allowed to also express my feelings? ???

You're funny. nutildah didn't say you're not allowed to post, why are you interpreting his words?

As for the temperature check, 37.2 seems low. What are they using, China-made infrared guns, 10% margin of error? :)

I can't comment on the rest of it since I'm not sure if you're exaggerating the being arrested part. I know some businesses around here test employees for fever but no arrests are taking place. Anybody with >100F (~37.7C) is told to go home and not come back until after 72 hours with no fever.

I know several people who have died from CV19, including one younger person who was in my year at school. According to a friend who works at the local pharmacy, we have had double-figure deaths just in our part of town.
I think you can count yourself fortunate if there are no cases in your area. Please don't underestimate this thing.

I'm not sure there have been any more serious viruses in recent memory, other than SARS and MERS, which the west managed to escape unscathed, due largely to a lower transmission rate. HIV/AIDS too, but again much less easily transmissible than CV19.

You're right.

20Kevin20 is totally wrong on this, filled with misinformation here. Just because HE/SHE doesn't know of any person who has been infected with severe effects of the Coronavirus, doesn't mean that this situation is great. Anecdotal evidence isn't going to be acceptable at any point, especially right now.

Like yeah -- just because I know no one with the coronavirus or with hiv, aids, malaria, etc doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It still exists and it is still very severe for at risk groups.

I don't think we're all going to die and the world is going to crash from this, though I do think that this is a serious situation that we should really take seriously.

The best thing for people in every country to do is to sit down and make a list of all the things that are happening with Covid.

Then figure out if their government is doing what they are doing as an excuse, or if there is a real reason.


In the USA, when people are not falling over dead all around you, there is no law that allows government to mandate lockdowns/shutdowns. All the lockdowns/shutdowns in the USA exist for 2 reasons:
1. The people agree with them;
2. The people who don't agree with them don't know how to prosecute their government officials.

That's about it. The people don't know what to do.

In the USA, it is the right of every person to do whatever he wants. If he wants to lockdown/shutdown himself, he has that right. If he doesn't want to lockdown/shutdown, he has that right.

If people were falling dead all around you, things might be different. But since this whole Covid thing happened at least twice in the last 20 years without lockdowns/shutdowns, and with even more deaths, there is something else going on here other than simple protection from a plague... which doesn't exist.

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Those things happen as directed by the government to maintain a healthy environment. I want to ask you if they take records of your temperature like is it written in a paper or stored in a system. Because the government can decide to know people that are infected by this virus through checking their their body temperature. It's just a normal routine that has been place not a while ago since the pandemic started.

I asked a question; nutildah made a statement and tried nothing but insulting me by his "there's no way you're fit enough to make it to the actual end". That's perfectly fine though :D

I wish I would have exaggerated at the "being arrested" part. In my country, it's turning from a so-called "health issue" to a literal dictatorship and I only see and hear the same from friends living in other countries as well. If this was serious and what's pushed to the front by the MSM was what I would hear from at least a very few around me, I would've taken it seriously. But it's just too obvious now. Our authorities have been literally saying every single day since February that we are 2 weeks away from the tipping point. I still hear that every day - how did 2 weeks turn into this many months + 2 weeks?

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It's not all about my area. I have asked my friends living in other countries and they can confirm the same. The thing is, it's now official that numbers are inflated and pretty much any death is considered a COVID-19 one. So now that it's official, I don't think it even makes sense to say "hey but we've had deaths in my city" - my city has deaths too, but how do I know for real which one is a legit COVID death when they simply said themselves that any death is considered one (https://www.summitdaily.com/news/nearly-a-quarter-of-the-people-colorado-said-died-from-coronavirus-dont-have-covid-19-on-their-death-certificate-at-least-not-yet/)..

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They're preparing facial recognition systems and mandatory scanners with those systems integrated. As soon as one exceeds the temperature they think is abnormal, the information will be transferred automatically to the nearest authorities.

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Yeah.. :-\ I post a thread for this matter and people care about what I think, completely ignoring the facts that I've linked to in the OP. It's getting quite silly that we're arguing over something that is just facts as if I'd spread only rumors..

Before you guys reply again, take only 3 minutes of your time to check this website out..: https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

Good. We're on the same side, then. I like your info link. It has loads of info, and is pretty concise.

Just to toss out some extra info, one of the things that is recommended for high altitude sickness is vitamin B12. I think that people who have the symptoms of Covid, even if they don't have altitude problems, would be benefited by taking B12. And Methyl B12 seems to be a whole lot better than the simple vitamin.

I'm not certain, but I think Methyl B12 is the coenzyme of vitamin B12. Excess vitamin B12 is destroyed by the body as soon as the need for it is over. But coenzyme B12 stays in the body for up to 3 days as a backup, even if there isn't a need for it at the moment.

Lately it has been found that B12 is a brain enhancer.

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Even if there is a margin of error in the count of presumed (unconfirmed) deaths, I hope you're not suggesting that authorities are inflating the total number of deaths... are you? Do they kill people to make the number higher?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

https://meem.link/i/a/5LzgIs.jpg
Edited 2020-11-30 to fix a broken image

(the last few weeks are incomplete - the data is still coming in and the numbers will go up)

Back in March, the margin of error for Italy was about 99 times, and 94 times for the USA.

Prove it has changed to a more accurate number rather than worse. I mean, maybe there haven't been any Covid deaths for a month - not even one - but all kinds of people might be saying Covid.

Prove it one way or the other.

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Why would I need to prove some shit you made up? Your claim, you prove it.

While you're at it, explain why the total number of deaths is >120% - is there some other disaster killing massive numbers of people?

Don't prove what I am saying. Prove the standard advertised statistics are true. If you don't have proof, and if they won't provide proof, consider that they aren't true.

The 99 and 94 are percents of deaths that were called Covid, but were later shown to be not known to be Covid. In other words, they lied through negligence if nothing else. Based on Dr. Brix and CDC statements to call just about any death a Covid death, nobody has any idea who is reporting deaths truthfully, and who is reporting them according to Dr. Brix and the CDC method.

So, in anything you say or show about Covid deaths, prove it.

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BADECKER is the one making up the 'back in march USA is 94% accurate'
sorry idiot no.
the website and even suchmoon debunked you in that post
by saying the recent few weeks are incomplete.

this means that back in march the data OF back in march WAS incomplete.
but its now MAY. and they have caught up with the numbers of back in march.
yes data of late april/start of may is incomplete. but in a few weeks time the data for end of april/start of may will be complete.

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why is the CDC lagging by a few weeks
because they actually get the data from sources and double check. which takes time.
but the funny part is when you look back retrospectively. you then see when the results are finally in that the numbers do match, even with double checks and review by different departments

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so yes take the row 4/4/2020 that is now uptodate. and the 8k covid deaths are above the ~57k average all cause deaths
and if you look at the other columns on the link. you will see that its 8k reported on things like worldometer. not 13k or 65k meaning people are not reporting all deaths(65k) as covid nor are they reporting al flu like illnesses(13k) as covid.
nor as the number of other flu's decreased to be accidently called covid. because the other flu numbers are still separate metric and still tested and still show the normal results youd expect

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dr brix statement was not a fully researched statement. she was saying a statement even she was not sure of. looking around the room. unsure.
she has shown many times to want to pander to the trump narrative out of fear of being sacked by trump for not following the trump stupidity
much like she stupidly nods and says 'i can look into that' when trump stupidly asked if she could start injecting people with high dose bleach and make them swallow a light source.

you can tel in her body language that she looks around the room like she is being cornered into answering something against medical advice/risk. but nods in agreement with trumps idiocity just to save her job

again the CDC has a MULTIPLE PAGE document that instructs doctors to fill in a death certificate with all the symptoms present and how to list each symptom from the final symptom before death backwards to show the progression. and to include as much detail as possible including all tests and scans.

in short
a death certificate would show
1a. Acute respiratory distress (ARDS)
      cause by
1b. Pneumonia
      cause by
1c. Covid-19
      cause by
where it further down a death certificate would list more details and test results, scans and treatments

unlike your scripts that spend pages just saying 'all deaths covid' the actual document describing how to fill in a death certificate does not.

stupid part is even in your infuencer(hotwire) video. you had the oppertunity months ago to actually find that document and actually read it. heck even a screen grab was shown in the hotwire video.
thus showing that bigtree and brix are just following a stupid narrative thats not fact. because it wil keep them in a job

.. but that would actually require you researching fact and finally give up just believing what you see in a video.

maybe in future you might want to try to do some research

You show your deceptiveness. So thanks.

All you need to do is a search on the Italian 99%, and the USA 94% to see that those deaths were from other causes than Covid, or at least could have been, but that it isn't known for a fact what they died from.

If Dr. Brix or the CDC are being deceptive in what they are saying, I ask this question. Since you are in the medical field, did you learn it from them? Or were you their teacher? (Oops! That's two questions. :D)

Of course, there is the third option, that the whole medical is simply deceptive, right?

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Dr Brix was not 100% sure. and that just lit the flame of your faux media.
however this is why i have told you many many many many many times to research the source behint the video speaches you watch

ill give you a few quotes from the actual guide
"Part I This section on the death certificate is for reporting the sequence of conditions that led directly to death. The immediate cause of death,  which  is  the  disease  or  condition  that  directly  preceded  death  and  is  not  necessarily  the  underlying  cause  of  death  (UCOD), should be reported on line a. The conditions that led to the immediate cause of death should be reported in a logical sequence in terms of time and etiology below it. The UCOD, which is “(a) the disease or injury which initiated the  train  of  morbid  events  leading  directly  to  death  or  (b)  the  circumstances  of  the  accident  or  violence  which  produced  the  fatal  injury”  (7),  should  be  reported  on  the  lowest  line  used  in  Part I."

"Other  significant  conditions  that  contributed  to  the  death,  but  are  nota  part  of  the  sequence  in  Part  I,  should  be  reported  in  Part  II.  Not  all  conditions  present  at  the  time  of  death  have  to  be reported—only those conditions that actually contributed to death"

"In some cases, survival from COVID–19 can be complicated by pre-existing  chronic  conditions,  especially  those  that  result  in  diminished lung capacity, such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease  (COPD)  or  asthma.  These  medical  conditions  do  not  cause  COVID–19,  but  can  increase  the  risk  of  contracting  a  respiratory  infection  and  death,  so  these  conditions  should  be  reported in Part II and not in Part I"


you will also find that doctors can be disciplined for falsifying records.
but enjoy your theories. but atleast if you want to make a new theory. do some research first so it is not easily debunked... put some effort in next time

It's not falsifying records if the CDC says it's okay to lie.

Why don't you post the part of the CDC that tells medical people that they can and should lie?

Dr. Brix, not being 100% sure, should be telling medical people to use their own best judgment, rather than to lie. Or are you saying that her not being sure is the thing that makes her tell them to lie?

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This is what I was talking about.

An old, innocent couple was arrested and taken by force for not willing to have their temperature taken at the entrance of Kaufland, a hypermarket in my country. The cops requested more forces (a total of 4 cars) to come and force the man be arrested for the pure fact that he was arguing temperature taking is unconstitutional.

Here's the article (https://www.antena3.ro/actualitate/scandal-in-fata-unui-hipermarket-din-capitala-barbat-incatusat-fiindca-ar-fi-refuzat-sa-i-se-ia-571508.html) talking about it and here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNyALV2T-F0) is a video of the cops taking the man by force. The cops even put their feet on the old man's head (and as you can see later in the video, the old man has been hurt).

Yesterday, after lots of people and even lawyers argued against taking the temperature, our government silently modified the latest order which made customer temp taking mandatory and removed this rule, as there was more than enough legal evidence this was a completely unconstitutional move.

As a reply to the answers I haven't replied yet to, I think the links I've placed in my posts on this thread and this event from my country is enough to prove why I really felt the need of writing this thread. To those hating on my thoughts, maybe now you understand me.

The old couple had NO violent behavior except arguing with the cops: the old woman requested the cop to show his cop ID and he refused her every time, and as you can obviously see, the cops have NO mask and the cops respected NO social distancing in the entire process. Cops touched them while they raised no hand at the cops.

This is the sad path we're heading for as humanity.

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Edit: I'm going to leave here just a few links as an answer to those stating that "COVID-19 measures save more lives" and I will answer suchmoon's question..

Have you ever considered what the current crisis has done to the hundreds of millions around the world having no more job and some people going into absolute poverty?

Maybe there are more deaths because more than half a million of people from UK have joined a suicide prevention course in the last 3 weeks alone (https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/coronavirus-covid19-suicide-mental-health-090906329.html)? Maybe there are more deaths because poverty is now on the rise (https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-the-coronavirus-lockdown-eases-italy-confronts-an-epidemic-of-poverty-11590058801)? Maybe it's because ventilators may do even more damage to the lungs (https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf)? Or maybe it's the fact that people die at home because they aren't treated anymore for anything except COVID-19 (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/two-new-waves-deaths-break-nhs-new-analysis-warns/)... or maybe the fact that hospitals get paid $13k per COVID-19 positive patient and $39k per COVID-19 death (https://www.foxnews.com/media/physician-blasts-cdc-coronavirus-death-count-guidelines)... OR maybe it's the fact that more people have died in Austria from heart attacks than COVID-19 (https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/advance-article/doi/10.1093/eurheartj/ehaa314/5820829), as lockdowns lead to some pretty bad mental and physical states? Or... perhaps... it could be due to multiple reasons including the above...

I don't know, I'm just wondering...

Lately, cops have become very aggressive towards civilians. And this is happening all over the world. In YouTube, there are more and more videos of cops acting like Hitler's police. And they do not care who is in front of them and often the aggression is directed towards women with children or pensioners.

here is the thing though. (and i might be repeating myself)
a shop owner has his property. and he sets the rules of who can come in and who cant.
thats his right

people dont actually by any law have the right to just walk into a supermarket.
its the thing people keep forgetting that responsibility that comes with rights.
a shop is private property

also the temperature check is not a 'health check' .. its a safety precaution
much like a shop owner checks that a floor is not slippery or could check if people are carrying a weapon and deny them access to the whole store if they have a weapon or a particular aisle if that aisle is slippery. thats his right.
he is responsible for peoples safety.

if someone does not like the treatment of a store. then they can turn around and find another store.
but to stand and argue. and even try to enter without being scanned. makes the shop owner in his right to get you escorted out.

maybe the use of excessive force was a little bit too much. but from the look at the video they were given many, many, many opportunities to turn around and go home.

i actually feel like the guy was put into the situation more due to his angry wife.

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but overall
a shop can decline serving any one for any reason they like. no law forces a shop to serve people.
and its not the security guard or the police that can change that policy.. usually its something to request the owner of the supermarket chain to change.
but under this climate. that wont happen anytime soon.
arguing with the guy at the door wont get results. nor would continue arguing where the only result would be going home or getting arrested. pushing for the arrest does not make the action of not being temperature scanned an arrestable offence. but being a loud and persistently angry person trying to escalate an argument would

at the moment we cannot blame the police for their crackdown..  they (the police) only carry out orders from the government, the police in my country do not commit violence against civilians but look at what happens, the corona positive surge is increasing every day.  the most feared of the whole country is the corona positive explosion, if there is a patient explosion, the hospital is worried that it will not be able to accommodate corona patients, causing mass death..

I strongly recommend that we continue to follow the directions of each local government, run health protocols and keep a safe distance from others, this "PANDEMIC" will not stop, so we must take care of ourselves..

its always the idiots that think they can argue their way into getting what they want. and even with social distancing. thinking chest bumping and breathing on people less than 2 metres away will win them an award.

for the idiots that do decide to touch security/cops'store workers. guess what. it would be treated as assault.
if you dont like the fact that a store is trying to keep everyone else safe, at the expense of your experience. well go find another experience elsewhere.
dont try picking a fight. as it will just work out worse for you

you can stand still all you like. wiggle your body all you like.
but as soon as you come into proximity of another person that does not want their personal space invaded. or threatening them. then expect to not be given the red carpet experience

https://definitions.uslegal.com/p/personal-space/

I think we might see some new criminal legislation regarding personal space soon.

Stores are private properties. If they decide to rule out customers with .. normal temperature .. then okay. Their rule. But our authorities gave an unconstitutional order for all stores to have this as a mandatory procedure. Let me give you one, simple example:

One man wants to buy his necessities. He is very poor, old and religious; he doesn't have a TV, internet or a phone. Once he arrives at the shop, they want to take his temperature. He's old - he doesn't understand tech, so he fears that's the mark of the beast (especially as it's taken from the forehead). If only that store decided to do this, he'd turn around and go to another shop which doesn't consider this necessary. But the authorities force all stores to have this mandatory. Hence, even after 5 shops he visited, he cannot buy food.

What does he do? Will he not be able to purchase food at all because he fears having his temperature checked (reminder: we are not allowed IF WE HAVE NORMAL BODY TEMPERATURE)? That's discrimination.

Before someone reading this doesn't care about religion and is willing to reply to this part specifically for this reason, then believe/don't believe in whatever the fuck you want. But if you decide NOT to believe in something and someone else decides they do, then let them choose to believe exactly the same way you chose not to.

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Big difference between a store deciding not to let specific customers in and the authorities giving an unconstitutional order to force them all to do so.

Let me tell you one thing: at least in my country, security agents only need 4 years of school in order to become a security agent. If that's someone you'd trust even when it comes to basic temperature taking, especially considering we have these kind of devices for sale even under $15 in my country and could be wrongly calibrated (or the security agent could somehow decalibrate it by mistake), then I don't know what to say anymore. ;D

Moreover, one of our authorities said something like the fact that temperature taking is a procedure through which any symptomatic or asymptomatic person takes the temperature of a healthy person willing to enter a shop. So as you can see, everything goes upside down right now over here.

What's even funnier is the fact that those without studies or with low grades at school have been considered idiots - yet the security agents with minimum 4 years of school are able to take our temperature. Damn, if I ever wanted this to be mandatory and I had 6 years of school, they would've talked about how stupid I'd be and how I would probably put that laser inside someone's eyes instead of forehead.

Were the 7 policemen really needed for that one old man? Why did the policeman touch the woman - I mean, the old woman who did not pose any danger to the cops? Why did EIGHT cops not respect social distancing and why did NO COP have a mask? Why did the police not respect social distancing even before the "arguing" starts? Please don't tell me that with these 7 policemen, if the old man was infected, the virus was perfectly contained in this encounter.. Honestly right now, if the old man had the virus, all cops would've already been infected and from a "you two go back home" we get to a "7 cops and an old couple have been infected with the virus" in a matter of minutes..

And about the arguing, the cops are obliged to introduce themselves when they appear and the arguing started when the woman asked him to show his badge - he refused to do so, and then he put the hand on her shoulder and she said he is not allowed to do so. In all honesty, the cops all look like they're under 20. Were they fake cops, maybe someone would've agreed with the way she proceeded. It's like being stopped and asked for money by a cop without him ever presenting himself. Would you give him money just because he has the cop clothing on him?

P.S: Take a look at the video again. The security agents are supposedly keeping us safe by checking our temperature and not letting someone with a normal temp go inside, right? Hmm. Do you see something not okay at all regarding the security agents? Maybe.. just maybe.. the fact that they wear the mask under their nose so if anyone infected came in their proximity to have their temp checked and coughed once or spoke, the security agent would've been infected 100% and would've infected everyone else who came into the store ..

I heard yesterday that they may ban women on their period from entering stores, because when a woman is on her period her temperature rises. Is that okay?

This "pandemic safety measures" got the stupidity of many to the surface really quick.

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A little update in regards to how the narrative keeps changing continuously. We all heard the fact that a vaccine needs around 18 months to have the most basic research and make sure the vaccine has at least a bit of efficiency and safety and even 18 months are a world record.

Well, our TVs are now pushing the idea that we're going to have lots of people tested BEFORE the end of 2020 and they're talking about mandatory vaccination. I have a very curious thought: why do I have to be forced to take the vaccine? If I and all the other "anti-vaxxers" don't take it and everyone else does, doesn't that mean this "controversed community of anti-vaxxers" would die and everyone else lives happily?

Would wonder what happens if vaccines turn mandatory and the government ever comes out and say "hey, we have this mandatory experimental vaccine we want to put inside you!". What if in that, exact moment all the pro-vaxxers turn anti-vaxxers and vice-versa? It'd be VERY fair for us to push for vaccine administration inside your body, hmm?

But wait! When did 18 months turn into under 12? Hmm, maybe the PREP Act providing immunity for liability now speaks words huh? :D

Well, first of all, any shop stands in the territory that belongs to the citizens of the country he rents and I do not have to obey their internal rules as it is illegal.

Secondly, no one can conduct any experiments on a person without his consent (wearing a mask, temperature measurement, etc.).

I support your feelings, and the situation seems absurd to me.
At first it was scary too, I succumbed to panic.
But then, after analyzing a lot, I was convinced that everything is not so scary with the virus. More terrible is the redivision of the world. Because you don’t know what to expect next. It’s really scary.