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Someone do one where a nice graph compares how many BTC these 2 have been accused of stealing over the years.

(Note I withdrew my number on Og's trust feedback page a while back, when people were encouraged to be more accurate in their feedbacks.)

With a proviso of course to discount that ridiculous old adage 'Where there's smoke there's fire'.

And a clear note that these are just accusations.

That would perhaps be more interesting and actually help people in their research to uncover any theft, often the subject of the threads in the op, more than DT1 strength over time.

Can you do one with the sum like you did with the difference. In other words, is the conflict eroding their collective strength? It does seem so.

Not very easily I'm afraid, as most of this data was easy to obtain thanks the the DT strength within loyce.club. There was just some gaps to fill in from when either user wasn't selected as part of DT1, and therefore their strength did not appear. However, based on a quick overview, using 67 weeks of DT1 data, the DT1 inclusions were as followed for these users;

25/02/19: OG 9 / Vod 32
29/06/19: OG 13 / Vod 28
19/10/19: OG 16 / Vod 29
08/02/19: OG 18 / Vod 26
30/05/19: OG 18 / Vod 24

As the DT1 strength graphs also suggest, in the past 15 months OG has been gaining DT1 inclusions (+100%), while Vod has been losing them (-19%).
Hope that answers your question.

Excellent data!

I wouldn't call it an "argument" as there is nothing to argue about.  I guess it's stupid to keep pointing out he's scammed millions until I can provide the proof in a way everyone can understand.

This chart does prove the attitude here is changing as many of us predicted.  The mass exodus of veteran members will probably continue unless the admin takes steps to control the trolling and corruption.   I regret never recording the history of the active membership numbers on BPIP, but I predict the number will drop to five figures within the next month.

Indeed, a mass exodus of O.G.'s from DT1 too who were sickened by Ognastys tacky ways not least, and a corresponding influx of newbies and shitbirds who suck up to him because he is a treasurer of this poor place, and either haven't the skills or judgment to examine him carefully, or conspire to engage in their own corrupt practices. 500 coins may seem a lot to hodl and milk to some, but it was an obvious play to keep pulling the wool. There's plenty more money to be made for these people.

You can quite easily get the DT2 strength by counting DT1 inclusions minus exclusions for those weeks.

I've never been accused of stealing anything.  All my negative trust comes from going too far in scam busting. 

The other party has so many accusations I'm not sure how you can count them.   He didn't actually steal over 2,000 BTC - instead he changed the terms on his investors, allowing him to keep all the coin and pay out a few coins in insurance.   He was holding thousands of coins from pirate when he truthfully claimed he lost his coins in the scam too - he just kept everyone else's..  He briefly considered continuing the ponzi, but silently kept the coins and told everyone how great he was for scamming them with insurance.  :/

Yes this is probably the lesson to be learnt from the past 15 months. If you're going to accuse someone of being a scammer, then create a proper thread in scam accusations, with the correct format and relevant evidence for users to act upon. Slandering people from the sidelines (even if true) will get you nowhere it seems, only losing DT1 support, statistically speaking.


Indeed, although as the graph sub-title suggests, I calculated the DT1 strength (as opposed to DT2 strength) for these graphs for either user not being in DT1.
Ie, the DT1 strength calculated is irrelevant of whether the users were elected into DT1 at the time or not, in order to keep the numbers more consistent.


I'm not convinced this is the case, it's probably more likely to do with the following:

 ::) Correlation is not causation.


We could do with the original text of his fans thread to start getting some proofs of wrongdoing or otherwise on that front.

Indeed, that's why I said:


"give the impression of being something or having a particular quality (https://www.google.com/search?q=seem)."

Often there are good reasons not to take people's words out of context  :P

Couching your statements in wishy-washy language backed up by irrelevant graphs of dubious systems is quite as useless as the 'slanders' you claim get one nowhere.

Fortunately the statistics weren't for you, they were partly due to the request from Vod, personal interest and otherwise for the benefit of those who merited it  ::)


I don't know why you're still in this thread  :D

Ah some new information. How very kind. Now we know. The statistics in your public thread weren't for me.

btw you're in my merit queue, but now I might decide against, idk. Bit short, you see, not everyone can merit a thread to signal their interest or whatever you're saying.

Mostly because you are annoying yet interesting edit: oh and ypu have a scamcoin past/edit and I like to chivvy to see what lies beneath and keep you up to the mark for the health of the forum. We have found lack of clarity and intent and weird excuses.

inb4 og reports for offtopic and calls me a troll

I don't care about your merit queue, you're welcome to move along now ;) You see, not everyone cares about receiving merit  ::)


Oh the irony  :D

Lots of people aren't scammers who have a scamcoin past, they just need watching that bit more closely when they make threads about others' reputations and trust.

Anyway, ironic what you do and don't respond to. Threads evolve; if you don't want someone, or it's for this person not that, make a self-modded one and put your rules in the op.

I don't need a self-moderated thread, only self-discipline. That of not pandering to your needs  ;)

Why?   The data clearly shows what the original members have been saying about scammers taking over default trust.   Many topics on that one.  :)

My bad. That comment was intended for V8s, not yourself. Your quote was intended as an example of who the data was intended for. Apologies for lack of clarity, I realize how it looked liked I was replying to you. That wasn't the intent. Carry on with your opinions, I think they have value, regardless of whether I agree with them or not.

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Does now make me wonder why someone would consider meriting graphs they consider irrelevant and useless, as it doesn't seem like a good use of merit at all ???



Does anyone else think this is slightly odd, especially from someone applying to be a merit source (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5251184.0)? Just curious.

Nice to see the trend is towards sanity. I guess if you make enough noise people start to listen. Unfortunately in Vod’s case, when the noise you’re making is lying about an honest member of the forum in order to hurt a community organization in an attempt to appease your ego, the results are quite clear. It is unfortunate that there are still members of this forum and even on this thread that give credence to his lies with their support. If there’s one thing that can be learned from society today, it is; just not doing the wrong thing is not enough, people should join others and do the right thing in this case and exclude Vod from their trust network. Leaving Vod a negative trust rating for reasons that have been discussed at length in OP’s mentioned thread is also appropriate according to theymos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5142064.msg51007199#msg51007199).

This thread will be great to link through in the OG scam accusation thread, coming soon.  

It will be so entertaining to re-read all the scams OG has committed against this forum once everyone knows w\hat he did.

I'll live with his bullshit and lies for a few more weeks.  It is my intention to lead a class action suit against that scammer once my lawyer says the proof will work in court.   I need to be compensated for all the lies this scammer has spread about me and many many others, just like his ex did.  He fled California to avoid paying for child support and other state charges.  

But don't take my word or OG's lies - my signature contains many non-Vods complaining about OG, si it's not about me as the scammer claims.

My priority is still launching my new site, which will prevent anyone else being scammed by this sociopath.  The proof unfortunately, will have to wait until after that.


Proof OG supports scammers on DT.


Theymos said it was preferable to forgive instead.  Your entire argument against me is based on misquotes.   :/

A new set of lies from Vod.  Always entertaining.  This is a clear example of why Vod should not be trusted and why his "DT1 Strength" is plummeting.

Do the right thing and join others in adding ~Vod to your trust settings (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust) in order to exclude him from your network for this type of dishonest behavior.

A great example of deflection   If you want to continue calling me a liar until the end, that's OK.  But if you want to settle your scam debts, better do it before we file our suit.  Many people have committed to recovering at least part of what you scammed them for.   You and the other DT scammers are going to have to add a lot more names to your "distrust list".  :/

Now you are acting like Techy and claiming you know what I am going to do?

Do the right thing, and email me if you were scammed by OG.  Get your coin back.

You can sue some one for putting mustard on a ham sandwich Vod, that doesn't prove anything. Where are all these mythical victims you keep talking about? Weird I haven't seen a signal one of them come forward to voice their complaints.

On the up side of this, I hope you do sue him. Then when you lose, not only will he totally bankrupt you with his lawyers fees which you will then be responsible for, but then he can counter sue you and put you into debt for the rest of your shitty miserable life. I am not going to give up the surprise, but you are in for a big one if you ever actually take this to court and aren't just as full of shit as you usually are. ;)

Why would someone with a complaint against a scammer confide in another scammer?   I'm not going to take legal advice from an anonymous troll. 

Read my second last post, troll.   :)

I am still not aware of any user with any sort of legitimate claim against me. Can you name one?

After claiming my home was raided by the IRS, you can’t actually think I’d believe any threat you make against me at this point. You’re a fantasy fiction writer, and judging from your falling “strength” you aren’t a very good one.

Another thing to think about Dragon, when the new trust system was implemented their was no warning that it was going to happen.. At the time most/many of those who agreed with the current DT system (kinda OG's side) did not have custom trust lists, but many of those who were currently disagreeing with the old DT system had already made extensive custom trust lists (Lauda/Vod side)..

So basically it was quite an unfair start with the disadvantage going to OG..

Another thing is that OG is much more focused on actual business like being an escrow and making high value trades mostly related to collectibles, as opposed to the scambusting, snitching, and drama side with a lot of up-and-comers gunning for DT positions, making big trust lists..


I think OG should possibly look into revising his decision to reinforce Lauda's questionable negative trust on Dragons..

Is this "not aware of any victims" the same as "not aware why he sent me this pedo link" claim?   ::)  Your knowledge seems to come and go to suit your needs,  You know the names and balances of those you scammed, as I do.  Victims of embezzlement usually do not know they are victim - they are in my signature.  :)

Was your home raided by the IRS as you claim, or were you audited in October?  At this point OG, your lies no longer have any weight.  Your goal is to prevent me from launching my site which will end your scamming - but I am concentrating on that first, and then reuniting these victims with some of their coin.  

Pfftttt... next you're gonna say that "cowardly lying troll" is not a good red trust rating either. Blasphemy.

Yes, I am not aware of any victims, nor am I aware of why you sent me a link to a complaint stating you were a pedophile.  I assume it was because you were drunk?  That's the only reason I ever saw you give for your ludicrous behavior.

No, my house has NEVER been raided by the IRS like YOU claimed, nor have I EVER been audited by the IRS like you also claimed.

My goal is not to prevent you from launching your site.  I don't care about your site.  Nobody else does either.  If you developed it then it's only a matter of time before you're hacked and people lose funds or you lose control of the site like your last project...  All I care about is the truth, and the truth is that I never offered you anything to sponsor your site and once it was clear it was nothing more than a way to try and inflate your ego I wanted nothing to do with that shit show.  Ironically, your attempt to inflate your ego by using stats has backfired as the community's response toward you on this issue is clear from the chart at the beginning of this thread.

You don't scare me with this fake lawsuit made up victim bullshit.  Every time you go down this path all I can say is that you're a liar and a bitch and I hope that I get the opportunity to face you.



It's better than the truth, believe me.  The troll who received that feedback sent me messages with threats until I eventually had to block him which led to them creating and derailing threads with lies, which is unacceptable behavior.  Not surprisingly you would side with that user, as you are also a troll suchmoon, and I honestly have no idea why theymos ever gave you any sort of responsibility here.  It's one of his biggest forum mistakes in my opinion and what I consider to be a serious lapse in judgement that I hope is one day corrected.  You should have no input on trust networks or anything else with any value.

I don't believe that being false makes red trust "better".


Still a shitty excuse to use red trust to adjudicate your personal squabbles, particularly considering that you have a history of lying about such things.


Except theymos didn't put me into any trust networks. Perhaps you should learn how the trust system works if you want to pursue that angle of attack on me.

It wasn't false.  I was accurate and left a reference with a more detailed explanation, although many of the atrocities were left out because they were so vulgar I didn't feel the need to publicly state them.



When I'm attacked repeatedly by someone who threatens me personally with physical violence and lies about it on the forum even after I've blocked them, it is most definitely reason for me to not trust someone.  That user was clearly seeing how far he could push me before I acted, and I gave him what he wanted.  I also don't have a history of lying at all.  Actually quite the opposite as I have currently the second highest trust rating here.  I would say you have a history of befriending and defending trolls, which has made you susceptible to believing their lies, and your ignorance towards my actions coupled with your easily manipulated mind has placed you in a position where you will believe anything negative that is said about me and repeat it ad nauseam regardless of it being based on any actual truth.



Trust networks are influenced by merit, and theymos made you a merit source which is the judgement I'm questioning.  Maybe you should learn how the trust system works since theymos has made you the single most influential personal in crafting it's future.  Biggest travesty on bitcointalk in my opinion, as your judgement has been total shit from when you started here.

Might, unless their is good substantial proof of outright lies, whatever you are talking about...
I kinda like Dragons though..

On topic though.. I don't think the whole Vod VS OG situation is helping either of them increase their reputations or trust inclusions, from my perspective.. Probably hurting both..

LOL

I think the biggest travesty is you not sharing what you're smoking.

Use your sig spam money and buy your own.

Riiiiight.....  is this another "only you and Theymos know the truth" response?


So the dozens that have provided proof YOU LIE are the liars, while your word should be considered above mathematical proof?   Your history of lying was well documented before I added onto it.  

You loved bitcoin cause it is irreversible, but now you hate it because you forgot about the permanent record.  

Did you return all coins that were sent to you for your investors before pirate collapsed?  You have this fat wallet receiving all this coin from pirate, suddenly the funds vanish and you pay out only a small fraction of what you owed and what you had .  I've been told embezzlement is the proper legal term to use going forward.

But arguing at this point is useless.  Either I release proof you scammed assets now worth over $20,000,000 from profiles here soon, or I don't and leave the forum.  You are running out of time to make good with your investors - don't be guessing I may not have a Royal Flush, because you are about to lose.


Most original DT members feel the network is being overrun by scammers.  Why does OG feel accountability is bad and trust in words over math is good?


Were they more vulgar than raping little boys and girls?  Because you've publicly stated those atrocities about me several times.   ::)  

Sociopaths can turn hurt feelings on and off like a switch.  

No.  I suspect you are the only idiot in the world who says my home was raided.  Obviously that was a made up lie along with the IRS Audit and countless other of your fantasies about me.  At least I'm over 18.



I returned all coins that were due to all depositors along with paying out all interest to all depositors.  This explains why you cannot find a victim and why I have never received a single complaint from anyone involved.  As far as I am aware, everyone that was involved was thrilled with my handling of the situation and many continue to trust me to hold funds for them today.  You can't prove what didn't happen, and your word is already worthless so we all know you won't leave bitcointalk until the day you stroke out behind the keyboard.



What I publicly stated was that you sent me a link to a complaint showing that you were a pedophile and said that is why you have to be careful about your identity.


For those wondering what the long thread of Vod's lies is about...  This is a good example.  He makes wild claims about me filled with lies, I refute them with facts, he continues to spread the lies and makes up new ones.  Don't forget to add ~Vod to your trust settings to exclude what his greed has led him to attack others in order to try to obtain.  This thread is a great example to show with statistics that this community and default trust network is no longer going to stand for this sort of misinformation and harassment.

If you gave up two boxes of receipts to someone with authority to take them, would you call that a raid?

This is another example of OG twisting words to make him appear the victim.  Poor OG.  Nothing else really to post as OG cannot change the proof in the blockchain.

You're turning to semantics with your accusations now as if that will save you?  You probably think that's clever.  I'll play along anyway.  I have never handed a box of receipts to anyone of authority in my life, nor have I ever spoken with an IRS Agent.  Don't let those facts stop you from continuing to destroy your reputation with fantasies about me.

This is another example of how Vod tries to insinuate lies about me at the cost of his reputation.  As this thread shows, if this was a "fight" he is very clearly getting his ass kicked in a major way. He's already lost his merit source status, his DT1 Strength is plummeting, he's had a stroke, lost his job, lost his friends, lost control of his website, and is in the process of losing his home forcing him to relocate to a 3rd world country.  Even after all of that, he still sits on here every day telling lies about me.  How absolutely pathetic.  

So the state tax agency collected two boxes of papers to someone who picked the boxes up themselves?   You play with your semantics.   ::)

You are aggressively defending your crimes to the very end.   I'd respect that, but I know you have no other choice.  If it was up to you, you'd keep everything and let the people you stole from starve to death.  :/

Everyone knows I wasn’t audited or had any interaction with the IRS. Everyone knows I broke no laws. Everyone knows I’ve never scammed anyone. Even as trolls go, you stopped being funny a long time ago. Even the people who support you have to be tired of your act.

Obviously, everyone is wrong.  :) 

No, just you.

Use your imaginary law degree better - that was a weak response, Techy.  :/

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