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Many newbies has dropped out in the forum because of lack of encouragement from the seniors, many beginner's has determination for the forum but it has been taking off because no support to step in next rank.
Encouragement is the back bone of learner's we need a massive support from the seniors to grow like others. remember that class one is the beginning of education.
Before account of two,one must be counted.
We lost hope to continue this journey because we assuming that our posts are irrelevant no appreciation from Seniors.
I begin to wonder how millions of people in the forum accelerates and obtained a higher rank.
We the newbies needs to be upgraded from this level to another level.
We have to know the criteria to follow so that many newbies will not fall apart.

Come on, this is not like a cult or something, there are a lot of members who support the deserving newbies. Growing an account on here was a very easy thing years ago before the Merit system, but now it's much harder to rank up without at least a little bit of effort.

Many posts coming from newbies do not get support because they're posted just to fill up threads without much of a substance if any at all. When a new user comes in and posts something valuable, there are times when they get enough merit to rank up not only once but twice. The thing is, many expect to get merits from writing their own opinions no matter they're right or wrong, relevant or irrelevant to the topic etc.

Take your time, be patient. If one wants to hurry a rankup, the only reason I see they'd do it is if they wanted to desperately join a signature campaign. When the time comes, you will be able to be part of one too if that's what you will, although if you're only here for sig campaigns and bounties then I'm not sure you'll last too long in one. Remember that many of us were like you at one point.

Have you joined the forum with a goal to rank up or joined the forum in order to enhance your knowledge on cryptocurrency? If the later one, I see on problem with that, you can ask any question and community will gladly help you. But if the case is the first one, I think you will face huge trouble to rank up.

I guess you are talking about merits here  
There is no universal rule or standard formula how to advance in this forum.
When you register in this forum you are allowed to write posts,  join different discussions, join different paid projects etc.
If you want to advance in the forum it's completly different matter and depends on other members and their opinions about you, your reputation,  quality of your posts etc.
I'm sorry if you feel neglected here or that other members don't appreciate your contribution here but you can't force anybody to give you reward for your posts,  merits if they don't feel you deserve it.
Try your best and it's all you can do it about this matter.
Don't complain because it will not help you much but try to do something what can help community here.
BTW I really know a lot senior members here who really support newbies with merits.

You join the forum because you want to be a part of the community imo. If you have no interest in cryptocurrency then you have no interest joining here. What else would you be here for?

How can we support also, information is generally readily provided and to gain notice from other members you have to exert yourself to write something other members are going to recognise you for... The isn't greatly inviting for newbies but this is a large community so what do you expect you have to exert and asert yourself somewhere. Rank is fairly meaningless anyway, this forum could be gone tomorrow only stay here if you're wanting and willing to contribute.

For those to whom Rank is of any concern (many I figure), the game board is pretty open, and ranking-up is not that tough, but it does require some effort (and setting some time aside) which many are not prepared to do. Newbie and other lower ranked posts are read, just the same as any other rank’s posts, but content is the driver in general, and the better content will get more attention.

The forum does have 2.805.814 accounts (as of a moment ago), but don’t let that deceive people into thinking that this is an impossible realm, where only the crème de la crème rank-up. The number of accounts that are active is way less, and even smaller is the number of people that post on a regular basis.

You asked for the data: This is the number of people that have ranked-up on this forum, needing Merits to do so. Displayed rank is the current rank:

https://i.imgur.com/TEplK9C.png
https://public.tableau.com/views/BitcointalkMeritDashboard/Ranked-up?:language=es&:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link

Looking at the above data, it’s seems that the mid to high ranks suffer a fair share more to rank-up.

This.

This is solid proof that there are tons of newbies rank up and it suffers from members upward because of the merit requirement, but there are some members who have been reached Legendary rank from the new era newbie, which means that they proved that merit system isn't a barrier to rank up and they deserved of what they achieved because of their hard work.

So, now OP.
If you're willing to learn just do it your self and prove that you deserve to rank up. If you're here thinking how to rank up there's nothing happen to you, instead, focus first on learning and educating your self and then contribute to what you've learned. For sure someday, you might be proud of your self of what you achieved. I know you aren't motivated this of what I have said but at least you have an idea.

It seems you are blaming people here for not appreciating your posts, you are are very demanding so many newbies here already ranking because of their contribution, members knows how to appreciate posts, it's just you who is very insecure that you think it's impossible to rank when it's not the case, people here do not have obligation to rank you, you have to worked for it.

Firstly i wanna suggest you to keep positive thinking about this forum and its members. For your kind information i want to let you know that most member of this community help each other without expecting benefit. I don't know exactly who told you that forum seniors don't like to inspire newbies and newbies left this place due to lack of encouragement. Its a complete wrong self made thinking from your end and hopefully most people gonna disagree with you. Bitcointalk is the place where people easily get free advice, knowledge and proper guidelines. Some newbies have lack of patience and no interest about earning knowledges. For that reason they usually don't enjoy their journey here and as a result left the forum with bitter experience. If they don't have any thrust for getting knowledge and sharing with others then its pretty much clear that their only intention is to make some easy money.

In a situation like this i don't think including me anyone else will love to help someone who wants to know the way of earning bitcoin from the first day of his forum journey. So if you begin with the Intention of earning from the first day and having no interests of helping others then how can you expect someone will come to give you encouragement.      

Every single high ranked member of this forum started their journey as a newbie and all their current position is the sign of their seniors inspiration and encouragement. You just have to be worthy of having it from community users.  
            

You can use the search engine, It'll help you a lot if you use it everytime you want to know something.
We do either use it all the time.
Look at @DdmrDdmr posted data, make it as motivation.
Just keep learning and make your contribution worthy someday.

If you lose hope just because of "lack of encouragement" then I can't imagine how you deal with your real-life concerns.

Come on OP, just go with the flow while learning new things here. No need to rush on your target. Why are you here in the first place?

Think outside a box how can you deal with your concern. Or might better if you will totally removed the box. Step by step soon you will be "there".

If you you organise a survey for the so called beginners that needs encouragement, I think their encouragement will be about getting merit. Like common, the seniors too were once a beginner and they made a lot of effort to get there. No one here has a cult or something, there's no rule to who can send or can receive merit here. Here's like a mini world, many here are known to have met each other because IRL because they have maintained a good reputation here. Find a better side thing to do to help forum users too. You can be a spam burster or a scam buster, you can help other newbies on helpful posts.

Are you trying to say the criteria to rank up, buddy?
If you want to know more about the criteria, you just need to visit the meta section and read the pinned threads there.
Here is one of the important threads related to rank, merit, and activity.
- Everything you need to know about forum 'activity, account ranks and merit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2766177.0)

By the way, I want to remind you that don't blame the seniors for the beginner's failure. The top ranks on this forum have tried much to help the beginners. For example, you can see in this thread: TOP-200 Members who support newbies (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5034141.0). It is one of the proofs that the seniors have big encouragement to newbies. So, how can you blame the seniors?  ???

Don't tell me that newbies are not supported here, dude.
People (including me) have done merit giveaway threads, one of the most easiest ways we provided to newbies only in order for them to get ahead with a new rank and put much better efforts in order to excel in the subject of BTC and crypto in general.

Sometimes, we also get criticized for doing such giveaways because some newbies are alts of other accounts who have been nuked from the forum.

 I don't think I'd want to argue any more than this on this topic.  :-\

 I'm not disputing the fact that newbies are not recognized here or their not given much audience to discuss matters in the forum. Noo we are trying the way we can to ensure we make a standard post but we need to  be encouraging by the seniors,
So that newbies will not degrade their selves or posts.

Nobody needs 'guidance' here. What you need to be to progress is plain to see for everyone - just be a decent user who is interested, interesting and informative. You don't need to be an expert. You don't need to be virtuous. Just don't be yet another google translate zombie who writes nothingness.

It's not very demanding and many senior users have stated their preference to help rank up decent members rather than reward existing senior members. The newcomers don't half make it hard to do so.

Anyway, from my observations here's what people should do -

Be yourself. Don't write what you think others want to read. It'll be totally obvious and will reflect in the emptiness of your posts. If you treat it as some sort of grim task that MUST be accomplished you're not going to come over well.

A good question is just as worthy of attention as a good answer, and vastly more so than a clueless answer. Lots of times a total newcomer's point of view has made me think of things differently.

If you spend your entire life in the alt section the chances of ranking up are very low. Hardly anyone who'll be willing to merit you ever goes there.

If you haven't gotten anywhere in months it's obvious that your current approach isn't working. You can click on the merit scores of everyone. Read the posts that are merited and consider what's different about them compared to yours.

Making most excellent profitings is not a god given right here, but good on you if you can manage it as a total noob. Most of the time it's a privilege that's earned by being a worthwhile member. Becoming worthwhile is what comes first.

The encouragement you mean, is it any post that newbies make deserve a merit whether shitting or not for them to be able to know that senior members are in support of them all (lols).

Sorry to burst your bubble, the forum doesn't operate in such manner. Every good post will be merited whether it's from newbie or not. The merit system works for everyone that deserve it not minding the ranks.

Fall in love with the forum by posting good post and try hard to build yourself intellectually about crypto, you will find yourself getting merits easily without much complaints   

With 'encouragement' you mean to say that senior members would shower them with many merits for every post?   ::)
Not going to happen like that.
Many people rank up very fast with good posts, and you can read their stories and how they did it.

I agree that Newbies should be encouraged but what do you mean by massive support from the seniors? How can the seniors support the Newbies in posting or in educating them? It is the responsibility of the newbies to learn by themself. Even Seniors were once upon a time a Newbies. They have learned by themself, they have struggled to come to this level.

Good posts are anyways encouraged by the forum members by giving them merits even if it is posted by a Newbie or a Senior member. Merits are not given based on the rank he is holding, we give merits by looking at their posts or threads created.

Maybe some sort of yearly residential gathering? Lots of star jumps, branded T shirts, shouting and whipped buttocks.

I feel no sense of grandfatherly duty to less awe inspiring members. I did not look to be breast fed by anyone on arrival here and the idea of searching for a nipple to latch on to did not occur to me.

I don't think so, beginners has not be left alone by anyone -senior members-, encouragement from senior member are everywhere from coming in to answer -newbies- questions-forum,wallet,bitcoin,altcoin and more-.
To merit give aways,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215727.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5200267.0


And to deeds from High rank member to low rank member that encourages me as a person -just imagine what it would do to the person or other serious low rank member-


Even all the way down to local boards, no place is left out, senior members are everywhere doing the best they can for those doing the best they can.

What else do you need. The encouragement, opportunity is out there is for beginners,newbies,low rank to cease it.

Is this the newest approach of newbies trying to ask for merits indirectly? IMO merits is irrelevant as rank is also irrelevant as long as you are learning in the forum personally it doesn't necessarily mean that your rank needs to progress as well, this isn't a mentorship website where you need to receive merits just to be encourage to learn. Just think about the forum when the merit system wasn't even on yet, do you think there are asking for encouragement? I don't think so. Don't look at your rank but instead look what you are learning.

How do you know that this is the general sentiments of newbies I think it's just you who has that kind of sentiment, have you done a poll on newbies here do you have a thread on that where newbies can posts about their sentiment, I have seen some newbies who posts thank you posts for appreciating their efforts.

OP please don't confuse merits with encouragement for newbies.

I see merits more like rewards for saying something others did not know or for making an interesting point in a discussion. They are not encouragements in the way that we see a newbie and react like this guy is new ahd has no merit I'll give him some so that next time he makes a better post.

Newbies do not need to have a motivation to the other members especially to the senior because it is all they part if they want to learn to go to learn by your own self and if you have good content and if you want to have a motivation earn merits use this to get more motivation. You can gain a lot of knowledge and adopt the skills of different users right which is good to see because a good motivation to explore more your knowledge the last thing you need is the hard work.

I see that you already gained merit use this as the motivation to your self and ranking system is not a race still we need to have this to get into a higher position and get a good part into the signature campaign and reflects the number of contribution.

The sad reality is that on this forum the merits have become the most important thing and that we only talk about them, all the time  :D
By definition, the forum is a place of meeting, getting to know, communicating, sharing information, acquiring friends etc.
Bitcoin forum further provides concrete information on bitcoin and bitcoin technology, altcoins etc.
But somehow it seems to me that 99% of new members don't care about it but they only think about signature campaigns, forum rank and merits.
They don't see ''merits more like rewards for saying something others did not know or for making an interesting point in a discussion'' but an obstacle that needs to be overcome as soon as possible to be able to get involved in campaign signatures and start earning bitcoins  ;D ;D
All this actually nullifies the very idea of this forum and the purpose of introducing merits.

When I was just starting here in bitcointalk I just read a lot of topics on how The forum works. I also had a couple of posts with questions that are supposed to be asked to veterans, in which I did, and they answered because I was curious.

It’s not all about how the lack of Encouragement that is within the forum but it’s with the member it’s self that registered here if they want to improve and get higher ranks.

Encouragement can be found from the users who have the same rank as yours, not from senior members.

You can  see lot of encouragements from The future of Bitcointalk: Low Ranking Top Merit earners in the past 30 days (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5185736.0). It is more fitted lessons and encouragements for you because it's your rank, and the challenge is the same, the lessons can be learned and applied.
Encouragement ~! rank or merit
There are many forums that don't have restrictions on ranking. You can make posts and rank up. If it is the encouragement you find for, you can join those forums: bitcoingarden.org (https://bitcoingarden.org/forum/index.php), cryptotalk.org (https://cryptotalk.org/). They are small forums, and very good forums for spammers. The forum is bigger, and need restrictions on ranking up as well as more rules to keep it healthy.

If you have time to read and compare, please read and compare rules of the forum and those two forums. You will see big differences.

Don't post if you don't read: OPs, previous posts, helpful topics/ answers, pinned topics.
Don't post if you don't search. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=search)
Writing a welcome message (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5036308.0). The welcome message means more than encouragement. It gives your encouragement, warnings, guides you how to use the forum properly to benefit yourself and warn you about risks if you use the forum improperly.
Newbies - Read before posting (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1689727.0)
Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0)
Forum ranks/positions/badges (What do those shiny coins under my name mean?) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178608.0)

This speech really touched me because it's the truth of this forum.I see higher ranked users oftenly send merits each other a lot.Actually they deserve too.But for New and lower ranked users this forum is really difficult.
Again I want to suggest to newcomers not to leave or drop out as your hard work will not vanish.You will be successful one day.

The future of Bitcointalk: Low Ranking Top Merit earners in the past 30 days (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5185736.0). Who sent merits to those low ranking users who are probably future of bitcointalk? And how those users earned their merits.

The last update: there are 27 newbies, 15 Junior members and 46 members who earned a lot of merits. There are 3 newbies who earned more than 30 merits in the last 30 days. Their post quality is not as high as higher ranking users but higher than shitposters' post quality.

To provide some contextual information, I’ve gone over recent sMerits sent, to derive the associated ranks and quantities. The following is a summary of the recent sMerits sent during the period 01/06/2020 .. 19/06/2020:

https://i.imgur.com/lZte1z0.png

https://public.tableau.com/shared/SBZSP9Y5R?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link
(Rows = Senders; Columns=Receivers)

Newbies have managed to obtain more sMerits than Jr. Members, and close to the values of Members. Big gap comparted to the higher ranks, but so is there content wise I figure.

If you want to be appreciated and get services from seniors, a beginner must be more consistent and don't stop just because you don't get any response from seniors.
First class is the beginning of education, but the education received must be done well and never play truant.

Make a useful contribution to this forum. Don't just expect services to increase rank. Service will come by itself when you deserve to get it.
Senior will support when the newbie shows his quality.
Many read the rules in this forum so as not to violate the rules that have been set.

I think they don't really need encouragement from the seniors since this is a forum and the main thing here is to get information from other members which came from their experience.

If they created an account here they are interested in cryptocurrency or bitcoin and to gain more knowledge about it, it's not a goal to rank up in the forum you don't need it.

I don't think higher ranks didn't encourage newbies. I even see a hero member that have a merit giveaway for newbies just by posting good quality posts and will be rewarded in no time. Maybe you should read on the thread made by newbies asking questions and answered by many higher ranks as long as the question is not yet answered.

Many members was in the same situation like you, newbie in the beginning 😀
We also didn't have knowledge and experience in the beginning but learned and became more experience over time.
So,  if you invest your time and effort here slowly you will get some experience and knowledge and be able to join different discussions and contribute to the forum.
Don't worry,  just read other posts and study about btc. 

Support will come if you deserve it,Dont expect seniors will support you just to rank up and Join bounties.

Do your things,be responsible member and the Support will come your way.

And besides sometimes Seniors are being rude not because they Hate you but they wanted you to learn in different manners.

We all begin as newbies but some people are always newbies no matter which ranks they have. Before January 2018, they can rank up to top ranks but after that month, they can not. Consequently, they are forever newbies, from the aspect of ranking and from the aspect of knowledge.

Newbies forever, if don't read, learn and contribute. It is about ranking.
Newbies forever if don't learn knowledge and being unknowledgeable forever.

I like your attitude as a newbie. The only thing you need now is patience and a desire to understand the topic that has become interesting to you. Asking questions that interest you are the best step to understanding.
The forum has a lot of information written, many beginners are too lazy to read everything, asking the same questions. Hence, the feeling that no one is helping here. Although for interesting questions, there will always be many useful answers.

If a Newbie indirectly or directly look for the merits after posting he may not succeed in this attempt. Also the mindset of getting merits at the back of mind, will be a big hindrance in his success because he will always be looking to get merits and won't focus on leaning.
Merits do come once you have a good knowledge on the topic and you are able to help the people.

I think you are wrong on your observation, I have seen a lot of newbies ranking and even ranking higher, you are just giving up this early, you are the only newbies I've seen complaining so far, we have a thread here where high rank with a lot of merits to spare giving merits you should look for one and post your best thread there.