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Title: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: spy100 on July 20, 2020, 04:47:27 PM
Business  / private sector is dead

As a freelancer in 2 months i got 4 clients only ... in my area 4 clients it's like your biz is dead... no matter how much you try to do marketing/advertising it just does not work ...
I look at other peoples businesses same situation ...

High Tech,Web Development,Web design ,Mobile Development ,Marketing,Blockchain development,Dapps,Web Hosting is dead from what i see


I got friends taxi drivers same situation they are just sitting in the taxi and some day zero clients ,barber shops the same they are sitting around all day smoking ... anything that seems a "luxury good" people don't touch this days.

The only thing people are buying is basic necessities ... oh also food and cigarette prices went up again ...

It's a f nightmare ...those that have billions of USD under the mattress better start investing soon ,or that money will be good only as toilet paper ...

Economy i love it ...


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: ChiBitCTy on July 20, 2020, 05:13:29 PM
Well first off what country are you even referring to? This is a global forum. Also, you're right, business is hurting all around there is no question about that.  My own career has come under great fire of late, people aren't able to transact like normal in large part.

However, you're money is not all going to go away in the stock market.  You're wrong, that's simply not going to happen.  With earnings reports for Quarter 2 continue to roll in we could see a massive drop in markets, but markets always come back.  If they dont? Well, then we've got the apocalypse.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: spy100 on July 20, 2020, 05:25:00 PM
Well first off what country are you even referring to? This is a global forum. Also, you're right, business is hurting all around there is no question about that.  My own career has come under great fire of late, people aren't able to transact like normal in large part.

However, you're money is not all going to go away in the stock market.  You're wrong, that's simply not going to happen.  With earnings reports for Quarter 2 continue to roll in we could see a massive drop in markets, but markets always come back.  If they dont? Well, then we've got the apocalypse.

It does not matter what country ...the same situation is global ...don't look at the numbers in the papers and news , look at life around you ... life on tv is different then life in reality ...

stock markets is nothing without  business ... it's just fake money ...if people don't buy goods / services ...the stock market is worthless.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Coyster on July 20, 2020, 05:36:24 PM
I got friends taxi drivers same situation they are just sitting in the taxi and some day zero clients ,barber shops the same they are sitting around all day smoking ... anything that seems a "luxury good" people don't touch this days.
Prolly when there was a total lockdown, this could happen, except that's still the case where you come from, but since the government opened the country for businesses and other sectors, there have been movements of  people and goods as usual and what that means is taxi drivers must definitely get passengers and other businesses their clients as well, it will obviously not be as before, but that goes for every other thing as well.
High Tech,Web Development,Web design ,Mobile Development ,Marketing,Blockchain development,Dapps,Web Hosting is dead from what i see
All you mentioned above are high value skills, and their services are mainly provided online, AFAIK, this are skills that should thrive atm with all the sit-at-home & social distancing protocols, except you have any facts to oppose that, with a good community of customers and great knowledge of the skills, getting clients is no issue.
Business  / private sector is dead
AFAIK, it's not, private owned business requires capital to grow, most of this businesses needs loans from governments, but get none, with sufficient capital, one will be able to grow and expand his private business to a standard level.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Twentyonepaylots on July 20, 2020, 05:42:03 PM
Well first off what country are you even referring to? This is a global forum. Also, you're right, business is hurting all around there is no question about that.  My own career has come under great fire of late, people aren't able to transact like normal in large part.

However, you're money is not all going to go away in the stock market.  You're wrong, that's simply not going to happen.  With earnings reports for Quarter 2 continue to roll in we could see a massive drop in markets, but markets always come back.  If they dont? Well, then we've got the apocalypse.

It does not matter what country ...the same situation is global ...don't look at the numbers in the papers and news , look at life around you ... life on tv is different then life in reality ...
How come that the country won't matter on the things you said, have you been to different countries during this time? Here in my country it seems like the business is doing fine, I've already some shops reopened as most of the states here gave a guideline in opening amidst the covid, so it is more like normal days with extra precautions. Private sector is dead? funny.

stock markets is nothing without  business ... it's just fake money ...if people don't buy goods / services ...the stock market is worthless.
But the thing is people will never stop buying goods and services lol. better to think about it first  :D


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: palle11 on July 20, 2020, 05:50:12 PM
Private sector isn't dead, neither is it business. We have to understand that most economies are trying to come back again to normal and this is going to be gradual before the confidence to trade and buy will come back. If trading comes to live again, then investment will start from private individual.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: spy100 on July 20, 2020, 05:54:29 PM


Online biz is my area ...this is what i did from when i was a kid ... there is almost 0 demand in this sector now .... where in the world are the shop owners that want an app or website to sell online ? where are the crypto people that want dapps ? where are the businesses that need hosting,design etc ... where is everybody ?  when we have clients it means that other businesses have clients ...we want businesses to make money and people to get rich ... if they make money we make money ...either they can't afford this skilled no more or they do not longer need them.I suspect that they can't afford them do to economic conditions...





Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: spy100 on July 20, 2020, 06:02:36 PM
Well first off what country are you even referring to? This is a global forum. Also, you're right, business is hurting all around there is no question about that.  My own career has come under great fire of late, people aren't able to transact like normal in large part.

However, you're money is not all going to go away in the stock market.  You're wrong, that's simply not going to happen.  With earnings reports for Quarter 2 continue to roll in we could see a massive drop in markets, but markets always come back.  If they dont? Well, then we've got the apocalypse.

It does not matter what country ...the same situation is global ...don't look at the numbers in the papers and news , look at life around you ... life on tv is different then life in reality ...
How come that the country won't matter on the things you said, have you been to different countries during this time? Here in my country it seems like the business is doing fine, I've already some shops reopened as most of the states here gave a guideline in opening amidst the covid, so it is more like normal days with extra precautions. Private sector is dead? funny.

stock markets is nothing without  business ... it's just fake money ...if people don't buy goods / services ...the stock market is worthless.
But the thing is people will never stop buying goods and services lol. better to think about it first  :D

It's not about if shops opened ,it's about how much money enters that  shop ... (profit)

Most Private Sector Businesses are not generating PROFIT.



Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Genemind on July 20, 2020, 08:02:21 PM
Business  / private sector is dead

As a freelancer in 2 months i got 4 clients only ... in my area 4 clients it's like your biz is dead... no matter how much you try to do marketing/advertising it just does not work ...
I look at other peoples businesses same situation ...

High Tech,Web Development,Web design ,Mobile Development ,Marketing,Blockchain development,Dapps,Web Hosting is dead from what i see


I got friends taxi drivers same situation they are just sitting in the taxi and some day zero clients ,barber shops the same they are sitting around all day smoking ... anything that seems a "luxury good" people don't touch this days.

The only thing people are buying is basic necessities ... oh also food and cigarette prices went up again ...

It's a f nightmare ...those that have billions of USD under the mattress better start investing soon ,or that money will be good only as toilet paper ...

Economy i love it ...

In our country, some huge businesses depending on their type of business have shut down because of this pandemic but the good thing is they are starting to recover again. Most of us here have lost our jobs during the pandemic but we relied everything on online jobs so I wonder why you're saying that they're dead in your country. To be honest, businesses are having a hard time dealing with this pandemic and it will take a long time for everyone to recover but at least, they're still trying to survive and sustain their employees.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: spy100 on July 20, 2020, 08:42:58 PM
Business  / private sector is dead

As a freelancer in 2 months i got 4 clients only ... in my area 4 clients it's like your biz is dead... no matter how much you try to do marketing/advertising it just does not work ...
I look at other peoples businesses same situation ...

High Tech,Web Development,Web design ,Mobile Development ,Marketing,Blockchain development,Dapps,Web Hosting is dead from what i see


I got friends taxi drivers same situation they are just sitting in the taxi and some day zero clients ,barber shops the same they are sitting around all day smoking ... anything that seems a "luxury good" people don't touch this days.

The only thing people are buying is basic necessities ... oh also food and cigarette prices went up again ...

It's a f nightmare ...those that have billions of USD under the mattress better start investing soon ,or that money will be good only as toilet paper ...

Economy i love it ...

In our country, some huge businesses depending on their type of business have shut down because of this pandemic but the good thing is they are starting to recover again. Most of us here have lost our jobs during the pandemic but we relied everything on online jobs so I wonder why you're saying that they're dead in your country. To be honest, businesses are having a hard time dealing with this pandemic and it will take a long time for everyone to recover but at least, they're still trying to survive and sustain their employees.

I am saying that online biz is dead here do to fact no one can afford to buy online anymore ... or if they have money they are expecting for a "sign" to invest ...

Buying stuff online has become expensive for the avg Joe...






Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: deisik on July 20, 2020, 10:09:52 PM
Private sector isn't dead, neither is it business. We have to understand that most economies are trying to come back again to normal and this is going to be gradual before the confidence to trade and buy will come back. If trading comes to live again, then investment will start from private individual

I don't think it is dead, dead as a doornail

With that said, however, some businesses are certainly going to bite the dust or have already croaked. But that's just life. On a more optimistic note (if I can say so), the businesses that will survive will come out stronger of this mess and will face less competition in the future when the economy goes back to life. And it will get back to life eventually, as it happened countless times before in the past. Put simply, there's nothing new under the sun


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Jating on July 20, 2020, 10:18:11 PM
Or maybe business are downsizing in this pandemic and just retaining people that can help them progress in this situation. And also they might be doing their rounds of promotion as well, as we all know everything is on the internet.

And those billionaires will still continue to invest no matter what, it's just we are in a worst situation that we don't see them in the news lately, only the governments with their stimulus package. Don't worry, there is still hope that we can bounce back and somewhat there will be jobs for all.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Yaunfitda on July 20, 2020, 10:21:36 PM
Private sector isn't dead, neither is it business. We have to understand that most economies are trying to come back again to normal and this is going to be gradual before the confidence to trade and buy will come back. If trading comes to live again, then investment will start from private individual.
Trading is back already right? I mean if you are talking about traditional global stock markets. I think it's just the people are getting smarter, for average joe, it means you need to be very selective to where you throw your money in this pandemic because the situation is not improving. And there is still a lot of uncertainty, like jobs are not secure anymore, when your company closes, obviously you will be out of job and out of money.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: stompix on July 20, 2020, 10:36:09 PM
Business  / private sector is dead
As a freelancer in 2 months i got 4 clients only ... in my area 4 clients it's like your biz is dead... no matter how much you try to do marketing/advertising it just does not work ...
I look at other peoples businesses same situation ...

Sorry to say it, but your number of clients as a freelancer is hardly an indicator of the general state of the economy.
Your situation, mine, or of anybody on this topic is quite irrelevant when it comes to the country's economy, two, a hundred, even a thousand are irrelevant if we speak of a country with over a million workers.

I got friends taxi drivers same situation they are just sitting in the taxi and someday zero clients,barber shops the same they are sitting around all day smoking ... anything that seems a "luxury good" people don't touch this days.

Again, unfortunately, you can't say that just because taxi drivers and barbers don't have clients as they used to the entire private sector is dead.

It does not matter what country ...the same situation is global ...don't look at the numbers in the papers and news , look at life around you ... life on tv is different then life in reality ...
stock markets is nothing without  business ... it's just fake money ...if people don't buy goods / services ...the stock market is worthless.

Yes the country matters, as it would be pretty simple for anyone here to provide proofs you're wrong once you name it and you know that.
Probably because you have failed lately to find work or other causes you've started a lot of topics with the same pattern, the doom is upon us, everyone is bankrupt, everyone is going to be poor, the world is in chaos, ww3, NOT!

I am saying that online biz is dead here do to fact no one can afford to buy online anymore ...

This is pure bs and again, you know it.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: The cure on July 20, 2020, 11:24:27 PM
I think not actually dead, maybe we are on the same country so I understand what you are saying. Yes it's true many are affected because of this pandemic, but you should not say all private sectors are dead because there are still people continue and even progress despite the pandemic because of their strategy on how to survive. Many are also trying online jobs and online selling that are in demand today.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: LogitechMouse on July 20, 2020, 11:39:08 PM
I can't say that the business sector is dead "TOTALLY" but maybe I could say that most of them are either dead temporarily or permanently.

The effect of the the virus right now is global so for sure this is a global issue. Most of the businesses already are being forced to closed because of the pandemic especially those small and medium business owners. I would disagree though with your clients as your basis that the business sector is dead. Maybe you aren't good enough to be picked by clients. I see some freelancers that I know that have many clients still.

Maybe next time, be specific not generalized because not all of these are experiencing the same way. Yes maybe most of them are but still there are businesses that are still operating until now.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Heart18 on July 20, 2020, 11:58:36 PM
Sad truth. That's what I saw anywhere here in my beloved country. Other industries are extremely dead now, and I felt the pain of the people struggling to survive amidst of this Pandemic. We seem to be very helpless, if we belong to work on those unnecessary industry. Because at this strange time, people are only spending on their essential needs. We just hope it will be over soonest, so all of the people from different sectors and industries will have to revive their business again and so the economy will.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: tippytoes on July 20, 2020, 11:59:33 PM
I can't say that the business sector is dead "TOTALLY" but maybe I could say that most of them are either dead temporarily or permanently.

The effect of the the virus right now is global so for sure this is a global issue. Most of the businesses already are being forced to closed because of the pandemic especially those small and medium business owners. I would disagree though with your clients as your basis that the business sector is dead. Maybe you aren't good enough to be picked by clients. I see some freelancers that I know that have many clients still.

Maybe next time, be specific not generalized because not all of these are experiencing the same way. Yes maybe most of them are but still there are businesses that are still operating until now.

Private sector is not dead at all. If they are, there will be necessities that we will not avail. Maybe they are not in full operations but I guess most of them are still struggling because of this pandemic. But one way or another, they need to exist as there are some services that people need.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: maxreish on July 21, 2020, 12:19:33 AM
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Most Private Sector Businesses are not generating PROFIT.
 

 I actually understand your point. If you are pertaining to the downfall of country's economy because of this pandemic situation. Business are also down, private sectors are just started to get back on track and to earn like before. Online businesses in our area are more likely to be most considered at the moment like this. Freelance jobs are also highly favored by most of the people in our country because most of us here in our country lost the job.
 
 Having a less client like you said, means that other clients needs to survive too. Maybe they are also suffering from this situation, you have to be broadminded. Be optimistic, mate. If you are down being a freelancer with just few clients. Find other job. Having few clients is better than nothing.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on July 21, 2020, 12:20:33 AM
It does not matter what country ...the same situation is global
Yes, it matters a lot which country you're talking about because where I'm at (the US), I'm not seeing things nearly as bleak as you're describing.  We've been hit pretty hard by the forced shutdowns, but things are slowly getting back to normal with stores reopening--and I'm seeing parking lots at least halfway filled with cars at some of my local shopping plazas.

I can understand it's probably pretty bad where you are, but this whole situation isn't going to last forever.  In the US we've already got people protesting the use of face masks and some of them even think this pandemic is just a political move.  In any case, people aren't going to stand for the economy being shut down for an extended length of time, mark my words.

I can't say that the business sector is dead "TOTALLY" but maybe I could say that most of them are either dead temporarily or permanently.
Temporarily on hiatus is how I'd describe the situation for a lot of businesses.  I don't think the COVID-19 outbreak actually killed many of them outright.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: harizen on July 21, 2020, 12:21:21 AM

You know the reason why things turned out like this right? Therefore, it's not making sense to say that businesses are done.

The world will slowly back again on track or should I say, it's now in process. Trust the process.

Cheer up. There are more people who experience even worst than you. It's not the end of the day.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: philipma1957 on July 21, 2020, 03:14:04 AM
Yeah all evidence suggests it is somewhat mild as compared to the 1918/1919 spanish flu.

those death estimates were 20 to 50 million people.  world population was 1.2 billion.

so we are around 7x as big . In order to match that we would need 140 to 350 million deaths.

we are 600000 to 1 million deaths. way way way way way less.

pretend second wave comes in oct - dec.

the second wave if bad could be 6 to 10 million dead world wide since the second wave of the spanish flu was 10x the first.

the third wave comes in feb- mar 2021 and it is over.

third wave is lower then first.  say 400000  and the world is done.

with at the worst 7 million dead world wide.

I have studied many county totals in New Jersey and in New York.

The worst township in all of New Jersey had 900 catch it with 150 die.

This is Manchester In Ocean county New Jersey. It is a senior. citizen area with 45000 people average age is 68 years old.

Most info show higher death rates for 80 plus.  20x the death rate then 1 to 50.

I toss the numbers up to show worst cases.

It  sucks till April 2021
6-8 million die world wide.

Personally

My guess is 1-2 million die world wide and it ends in Feb- March.

But business will pick up as it adjusts to the mess caused by the pandemic.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: CarnagexD on July 21, 2020, 03:47:05 AM
Well first off what country are you even referring to? This is a global forum. Also, you're right, business is hurting all around there is no question about that.  My own career has come under great fire of late, people aren't able to transact like normal in large part.

There is no specific places that encounters that because all of the places are in a global economic crisis.

Most of the people who are working just to have a food for his family are having a hard time due to slack businesses.

It is not a joke to have a business that is not that performing well due to lack of customers, but I hope that we overcome this struggle. Business sector is having a difficulty surviving itself especially that they are unable to operate and people are prohibited to go outside. This is just temporary, we need to face the reality that we are in a recession and we will overcome this soon. You should focus on your basic necessities and help those markets to have some profits.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Latviand on July 21, 2020, 04:09:14 AM
What if we don't follow the protocol of social distancing, staying at home, and using PPEs, do you think that it can minimize the cases of Covid-19?

If we don't sacrifice our businesses then this pandemic could lasts longer, also you will have the risk of getting the disease if your businesses be allowed to operate. We just need to cope up with this circumstances just for us to become safe from the virus. I know that businesses are really declining and we should focus on those businesses that will help us survive in this pandemic just like grocery stores, hospitals and stock market. This is the reality and we just need to endure this struggle and hardships especially those business owners who have nothing but to be bankrupt.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: jademaxsuy on July 21, 2020, 04:26:01 AM
No I do not believe that private sector businesses are dead. It just temporarily at hold or stop its operation due to covid19. There will come a time that the normal will be back right after vaccine for covid19 will be created. Foe now, the safety is the first and foremost to consider. There is no more valuable tha  one's life. So we have to take care of it. Always remeber now to observe the minimum health protocol to avoid getting infected with the virus. Then stay at home to save lives.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: plvbob0070 on July 21, 2020, 05:18:07 AM
It's not totally dead like what you imagine, there is just a decline with some businesses brought by the virus. For now, we might see a decrease in clients and customers for some business or private sectors but since we are just starting to reopen amidst the pandemic that is why there are still no enough clients. People and businesses still need time to recover from their own losses.

As for other jobs you mentioned like taxi drivers, they will really experience this since it's still not advisable to go outside so there are not enough customers and it's expensive than other means of transportation. In barbershops, I think they are still getting customers since barber shops we're closed for months (and people want haircuts) it's just that they are afraid of going to public places and having close contact with other people since there is still a threat.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: michellee on July 21, 2020, 06:30:42 AM
I don't want to say that the business/private sector is dead because I am sure that every owner of the business still trying to survive and think about how they can pass and save their company. They will search for the other way to survive in this pandemic by contacting their relation to making a new agreement.

I know that some home business is dying, and maybe I will tell some to you. Before the pandemic, that food company only serves the local people, and sometimes, the employee deliver the food to their place. But in the pandemic, the owner trying to figure out how they can survive, and finally, he got something different than what he did before. He tries to use Instagram and Facebook to promote his food list on his page, and he can send the food in the local area. If the customer has a different city, he can send the food by using another shipment service, and he guarantees that his food will still okay in the customer's hands.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: deisik on July 21, 2020, 07:33:50 AM
Yeah all evidence suggests it is somewhat mild as compared to the 1918/1919 spanish flu.

those death estimates were 20 to 50 million people.  world population was 1.2 billion

The times were different

Spanish flu started right after World War I when millions of people had died or been killed, and human life didn't amount to much. Aside from that, the world was a pretty separated place back then, and no one cared if a few million people fell victim to some disease halfway across the world. How many of us really care if a million people die from hunger somewhere in Africa if that many people die there year in and year out?


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: redsun114 on July 21, 2020, 08:31:15 AM
No I do not believe that private sector businesses are dead. It just temporarily at hold or stop its operation due to covid19. There will come a time that the normal will be back right after vaccine for covid19 will be created. Foe now, the safety is the first and foremost to consider. There is no more valuable tha  one's life. So we have to take care of it. Always remeber now to observe the minimum health protocol to avoid getting infected with the virus. Then stay at home to save lives.
Yes and actually being an online worker myself I do not feel there is too much problem for people in our field because online work is almost the same although there are less projects but always enough to keep working and keep earning.

My friends who could not move out are actually working from home and the companies have allowed them to work from their home. The most affected industry is the hospitality industry because the hotels are not being booked and there is no travel activity going on because no one wants to go anywhere now and rightly so. I hope they can recover from their situation quickly because even when the pandemic ends people will be hesitant to travel much.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Emitdama on July 21, 2020, 11:44:26 AM
What if we don't follow the protocol of social distancing, staying at home, and using PPEs, do you think that it can minimize the cases of Covid-19?
You are correct but rather than dying of hunger and starvation I would prefer to take the risk because there are better ways if government implements then both the work and safety can be ensured.

If we don't sacrifice our businesses then this pandemic could lasts longer, also you will have the risk of getting the disease if your businesses be allowed to operate. We just need to cope up with this circumstances just for us to become safe from the virus. I know that businesses are really declining and we should focus on those businesses that will help us survive in this pandemic just like grocery stores, hospitals and stock market.

Yes everyone needs to contribute and actually if we all can just help poor people around us by giving them some money in these tough times like giving advance salaries to your workers would do a whole great for them because the worst situation is for the daily wages worker since they can't go out and work while also don't have the treasure to use in these times.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: teosanru on July 21, 2020, 11:51:33 AM
Business  / private sector is dead

As a freelancer in 2 months i got 4 clients only ... in my area 4 clients it's like your biz is dead... no matter how much you try to do marketing/advertising it just does not work ...
I look at other peoples businesses same situation ...

High Tech,Web Development,Web design ,Mobile Development ,Marketing,Blockchain development,Dapps,Web Hosting is dead from what i see


I got friends taxi drivers same situation they are just sitting in the taxi and some day zero clients ,barber shops the same they are sitting around all day smoking ... anything that seems a "luxury good" people don't touch this days.

The only thing people are buying is basic necessities ... oh also food and cigarette prices went up again ...

It's a f nightmare ...those that have billions of USD under the mattress better start investing soon ,or that money will be good only as toilet paper ...

Economy i love it ...
I think the whole circle of Economy is devastated due to Covid. Everything ends up at the demands of consumers. Post Covid there has been almost negligible consumer demand in most of the sectors if people don't want things then there is no point of Technological developments and same is the case with marketing. But the problem is consumer demand is hampered due to increased unemployment which in turn has happened due to lack of demand. So someone just needs to rectify this circle for things to come back on rails otherwise we are going to face same thing for quite some time. Why would people develop apps/ Websites when there are barely any people ready to buy their products.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: crzy on July 21, 2020, 12:23:41 PM
Many businesses are dead but some of them are still fighting and surviving, so don't lose hope mate. I saw many dead business as well but the owners are not giving up because they adopt the new normal and shift into another business. You might think that your business is not profitable anymore, then its better for you to look for alternatives or do more online business, in my country online business grows a lot especially during the lock down up to this day.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Harlot on July 21, 2020, 12:44:53 PM
I don't think this is true and to be honest businesses that have online products are the ones who are able to survive and keep most of their employees under their payroll. Companies or businesses where they have to sell their products on a physical location is something that are affected like supermarkets, department stores or or laundry shops as these businesses are affected with lack of people going to them. This is where the advantage for companies who either adapted digitally or naturally exists in a digital way as most of the people are now more active buying their stuff online and even do their work online. Companies who are affected on the other hand still has a chance to adapt for them to save their businesses.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: spy100 on July 21, 2020, 01:12:57 PM
Business  / private sector is dead

As a freelancer in 2 months i got 4 clients only ... in my area 4 clients it's like your biz is dead... no matter how much you try to do marketing/advertising it just does not work ...
I look at other peoples businesses same situation ...

High Tech,Web Development,Web design ,Mobile Development ,Marketing,Blockchain development,Dapps,Web Hosting is dead from what i see


I got friends taxi drivers same situation they are just sitting in the taxi and some day zero clients ,barber shops the same they are sitting around all day smoking ... anything that seems a "luxury good" people don't touch this days.

The only thing people are buying is basic necessities ... oh also food and cigarette prices went up again ...

It's a f nightmare ...those that have billions of USD under the mattress better start investing soon ,or that money will be good only as toilet paper ...

Economy i love it ...
I think the whole circle of Economy is devastated due to Covid. Everything ends up at the demands of consumers. Post Covid there has been almost negligible consumer demand in most of the sectors if people don't want things then there is no point of Technological developments and same is the case with marketing. But the problem is consumer demand is hampered due to increased unemployment which in turn has happened due to lack of demand. So someone just needs to rectify this circle for things to come back on rails otherwise we are going to face same thing for quite some time. Why would people develop apps/ Websites when there are barely any people ready to buy their products.

Exactly ... if other people fail we fail also ... like they depend on us we depend on them also ...


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Rosilito on July 21, 2020, 01:25:17 PM
No, they aren't dead. That's quite normal in this situation, imo, some companies haven't been fully operating yet hence, some employees had to be off more than what's usual, not to mention that they are now experiencing a salary cut which leads to various events, like they have set aside buying unnecessary stuff, and those stuff you mentioned.

Anyway, here, in my country (PH) have been in similar situation, fortunately, after months of lockdown where the collapse of some businesses have been witnessed, now things are seemingly getting back to normal although, it wasn't the same as before wherein customers are congested inside a popular shop or whatever kind of store.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: spy100 on July 21, 2020, 01:33:44 PM
Many businesses are dead but some of them are still fighting and surviving, so don't lose hope mate. I saw many dead business as well but the owners are not giving up because they adopt the new normal and shift into another business. You might think that your business is not profitable anymore, then its better for you to look for alternatives or do more online business, in my country online business grows a lot especially during the lock down up to this day.

I know exactly what to do ... but do to ethics i don't do it .... i could start manufacturing and sell cheap alcohol / booze ... alcohol biz did grate in the Great Depression ... i don't do it  do to fact i know what alcoholism means ...  Let others do it ... i don't want it on my conscious ...


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: spy100 on July 21, 2020, 01:34:53 PM
No, they aren't dead. That's quite normal in this situation, imo, some companies haven't been fully operating yet hence, some employees had to be off more than what's usual, not to mention that they are now experiencing a salary cut which leads to various events, like they have set aside buying unnecessary stuff, and those stuff you mentioned.

Anyway, here, in my country (PH) have been in similar situation, fortunately, after months of lockdown where the collapse of some businesses have been witnessed, now things are seemingly getting back to normal although, it wasn't the same as before wherein customers are congested inside a popular shop or whatever kind of store.

if you just got out of lockdown people started spending savings... wait until savings gone ...


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: bitgolden on July 21, 2020, 01:39:59 PM
Everything is going to be changed in a matter of one month. Oxford's vaccine is set for all the people around the globe unlike what most other countries are planning with their development of covid19 vaccine; when vaccine arrives then you may expect restoration of every business like before. I agree that would take some time to resume still you can be cool with the faith of getting better in near future rather than being worrying about not getting worse than what we do today.

In my country as well, we are unable to lead usual life due to lack of service providers and expensive day to day things including groceries and vegetables which makes to plan up everything newly for the same salary I do get.

Bitcoin's stagnant condition for more than 2 months says all these. Bitcoin never got stuck like this. My P2P transaction kept waiting regardless of what buyers offer unlike how I was easily selling some 4 months back like almost instant even in p2p environment. Praying for betterment of everything and for everyone 8).


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: imstillthebest on July 21, 2020, 01:49:57 PM
Everything is going to be changed in a matter of one month. Oxford's vaccine is for all the people around the globe unlike what most other countries are planning with their development of covid19 vaccine; when vaccine arrives then you may expect restoration of every business like before. I agree that would take some time to resume still you can be cool with the faith of getting better in near future rather than being worrying about not getting worse than what we do today.

oxford ? lol that sounds like a dictionary brand . now serious , so this vacine will come next month ? thats great news because this isnt a biased one while other vaccines are clearly to be created for profits but till now there are no exact dates on when they are going to be release  . not all business are dead but mostly online business are infact blooming now . money wont become obsolete because money can always be use to buy basic necesities to live


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: MCobian on July 21, 2020, 02:16:52 PM
Actually not all businesses are affected and die, there are some businesses affected, but the growth is rapid. For example, the medical device
business and also the package delivery business. Both of these businesses are not including basic necessities, but can be further developed
because of high demand. That's because medical devices are indeed needed in this situation. Such as masks, oxygen cylinders, disinfectants
and hand sanitizers. Then for package delivery services to develop because people prefer to buy goods online, so shipping services are needed.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: glowing10 on July 21, 2020, 02:28:54 PM
No, they aren't dead. That's quite normal in this situation, imo, some companies haven't been fully operating yet hence, some employees had to be off more than what's usual, not to mention that they are now experiencing a salary cut which leads to various events, like they have set aside buying unnecessary stuff, and those stuff you mentioned.

Anyway, here, in my country (PH) have been in similar situation, fortunately, after months of lockdown where the collapse of some businesses have been witnessed, now things are seemingly getting back to normal although, it wasn't the same as before wherein customers are congested inside a popular shop or whatever kind of store.

if you just got out of lockdown people started spending savings... wait until savings gone ...

This would be the real big issues in coming months, as say still somehow people are managing it because of the saving they had it but if the pandemic continues for the next few months till we do not have vaccine, by that time many would go bankrupt or will not have money left and they this would be the bigger issues in countries where they do not have give anything to the unemployed people.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Quidat on July 21, 2020, 02:36:41 PM

It's a f nightmare ...those that have billions of USD under the mattress better start investing soon ,or that money will be good only as toilet paper ...

Economy i love it ...

For people who do need to have a job or business to make a living then pretty sure that majority of them is highly affected and each of everyone of us.We know that the current pandemic situation on what causes all of these economic problems and we know that there would really be an end to this but to see on the damage that it has been done.Lots of businesses filed a bankruptcy which isnt really surprising.
Neither if you are a freelance or a regular worker, theres no exception when it comes to the hardship that we are facing now. Investment as of these days will not really be in priority but rather people
will mind of on how to buy up their needs instead.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: spy100 on July 21, 2020, 03:30:24 PM

It's a f nightmare ...those that have billions of USD under the mattress better start investing soon ,or that money will be good only as toilet paper ...

Economy i love it ...

For people who do need to have a job or business to make a living then pretty sure that majority of them is highly affected and each of everyone of us.We know that the current pandemic situation on what causes all of these economic problems and we know that there would really be an end to this but to see on the damage that it has been done.Lots of businesses filed a bankruptcy which isnt really surprising.
Neither if you are a freelance or a regular worker, theres no exception when it comes to the hardship that we are facing now. Investment as of these days will not really be in priority but rather people
will mind of on how to buy up their needs instead.

That's the problem as people don't understand that money loses value in time ... money must circulate ...it's not created so you can store it ... buy land,invest it in something ,buy houses,women,cars ,booze,drugs etc ... just don't keep it under the mattress ...the more money you have under your mattress the more you will lose ...

if i have 10 usd in my pocket and inflation is at 2% i lose 0.12 cents next year

But if you have 1 billion USD just sitting around doing nothing , next year you lose 20.000.000 usd

Do something with that  20.000.000 usd ...

Govs have a lot of money doing nothing this days ...

"Mo Money Mo Problems"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUhRKVIjJtw


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: slapper on July 21, 2020, 03:50:32 PM
It is sad to hear your story... But I think there should be something you can do to earn some extra bucks for living, right? This pandemic really affects our current world and it changes our life significantly. Where are you living tho? Some countries in Asia are doing very great at protecting their people and the economy. If you make a research, I think you can have a great remote job with these countries since most of the businesses still work with nearly maximum productivity


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: spy100 on July 21, 2020, 04:04:05 PM
It is sad to hear your story... But I think there should be something you can do to earn some extra bucks for living, right? This pandemic really affects our current world and it changes our life significantly. Where are you living tho? Some countries in Asia are doing very great at protecting their people and the economy. If you make a research, I think you can have a great remote job with these countries since most of the businesses still work with nearly maximum productivity

I want to do what i do ... like anyone else ... we want to do what we like ... pretty much govs screwed us on this one ...

I am in the EU ... there is 0 funds if you want to start a tech biz https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/funding-grants_en

I don't want loans i need funds for my start up like the farmers get each year ...,they are giving them free funds to buy tractors equipment etc ,and even if they don't work the land the EU payes them... we in the tech sector get nothing ...zero

The EU is the most corrupt institution in the world ...

Only the big companies get EU funding ...
https://www.eib.org/attachments/thematic/innovfin_eu_finance_for_innovators_en.pdf


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Silberman on July 21, 2020, 04:41:28 PM
It's a f nightmare ...those that have billions of USD under the mattress better start investing soon ,or that money will be good only as toilet paper ...
This is exactly the issue those that have the means to boost the recovery with their money are not doing it because they know they will experience at a large scale what you are experimenting at a small scale, the difference is that they have so much money they can wait indefinitely for the economy to change course or be given assurance by politicians that their investments are going to be secured, I know it is not fair but this is simply the way the economy works.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: abhiseshakana on July 21, 2020, 07:11:57 PM
According to my observations, my friends have started to sell what can be sold one by one like cars & motorcycles to make a living. This indicates that savings have been used up to support daily expenses and the final choice. Those who have debt repayments with interest will be more severe with this condition.

For the business of exporting shellfish shells and live, fresh and frozen seafood to China has begun to stabilize again even though prices have declined. But if the pandemic ends longer there is a concern that purchasing power will weaken and in the end, it will be difficult to reverse the economic curve after the pandemic ends.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: thesmallgod on July 21, 2020, 07:18:01 PM
That's being impacted by what is currently happening in the world. People are not making enough and the basic needs are the only things they spend the little they earn on. Between taking transport and getting food, the latter become necessity and that is the reason why it is. In my country right now, sanitary pads, face masks, foods and drugs are the things selling fast. Business such as transports are not making enough especially when their movement has been limited


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Argoo on July 21, 2020, 08:53:54 PM
A very difficult situation has developed with the functioning of private business in any country. A significant part of private business will never recover. We also do not know when the coronavirus will be defeated. However, all adversity will ever end. The world economy will surely recover over time, even if we go through a global economic crisis. Therefore, we need patience and endurance.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: 7788bitcoin on July 21, 2020, 09:25:37 PM
The only thing people are buying is basic necessities ... oh also food and cigarette prices went up again ...

It's a f nightmare ...those that have billions of USD under the mattress better start investing soon ,or that money will be good only as toilet paper ...
Everyone globally is going through the same phase, i am jobless for over three months and i will be moving to my parents basement in the coming month if things do not improve and i will be back working and things are not going well for majority. The businesses are going down and all the small time business owners are shutting down their business as they could not afford to be in a situation we are going through. People with money under their mattress is the best solution now rather than investing in a dead market.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: arwin100 on July 21, 2020, 09:50:16 PM
The only thing people are buying is basic necessities ... oh also food and cigarette prices went up again ...

It's a f nightmare ...those that have billions of USD under the mattress better start investing soon ,or that money will be good only as toilet paper ...
Everyone globally is going through the same phase, i am jobless for over three months and i will be moving to my parents basement in the coming month if things do not improve and i will be back working and things are not going well for majority. The businesses are going down and all the small time business owners are shutting down their business as they could not afford to be in a situation we are going through. People with money under their mattress is the best solution now rather than investing in a dead market.
So unfortunate to hear that mate but I think there are so many people with the same situation right now, people really feels how hard the life at this moment and hopefully we can go thru all this and the vaccine will be found soonest.

 Although I'm not affected to much on this pandemic financially since I have money save when theirs no tragic event happening in the world but I see the huge effect in my neighborhood where they are struggling because they cannot get back to their work and businesses.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Yamifoud on July 21, 2020, 10:32:39 PM
The government and business owners won't let that thing happen and even we're seeing that globally are affected by this market recession and increase of business shutdown causing thousands or millions of people out from their job but this not to consider that the economy is dying already. In fact, some countries are already resuming their business transaction applying the new normal.

We have to survive and we need to fight against this. Businesses will die if we let it so. So, at this moment that cashless payment is surging, this is a great chance for the online marketing strategy to work well and this is pushing businesses to offer the same otherwise, they will die.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: KnightElite on July 22, 2020, 06:12:31 AM
The government and business owners won't let that thing happen and even we're seeing that globally are affected by this market recession and increase of business shutdown causing thousands or millions of people out from their job but this not to consider that the economy is dying already. In fact, some countries are already resuming their business transaction applying the new normal.

We have to survive and we need to fight against this. Businesses will die if we let it so. So, at this moment that cashless payment is surging, this is a great chance for the online marketing strategy to work well and this is pushing businesses to offer the same otherwise, they will die.
I think there is a misunderstanding here, of course the business owners do not want to die there business and they will do anything in order for them to operate again but the thing is, the chain in many economy breaks and it is the reason why many businesses stop operating and some of them will permanently closed because of the damage that the pandemic brought to them. It is sad especially for those small business that only have 1 source of income which is the business that they let go because of the pandemic.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: stadus on July 22, 2020, 06:27:42 AM
That's the worst situation in the future, your money will be a toilet paper, I think I can't accept that.

Sharing is caring, so thanks for the information, I will not ask anymore on what country you are living as I know every country suffers with this virus than until now there is no vaccine yet, hopefully our economy will recover soon and hopefully the vaccine will be out, if not, I'm afraid the worst scenario will happen.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: matchi2011 on July 22, 2020, 09:31:12 AM
That's the worst situation in the future, your money will be a toilet paper, I think I can't accept that.

Sharing is caring, so thanks for the information, I will not ask anymore on what country you are living as I know every country suffers with this virus than until now there is no vaccine yet, hopefully our economy will recover soon and hopefully the vaccine will be out, if not, I'm afraid the worst scenario will happen.

The virus makes things possible, there's no vaccine yet so probably we can't do nothing and in case things got much worse expect
that this will take place, we are all embracing technology and there's a lots of digital money which are existed and can be used as
alternatives, cashless are really booming as this virus are helping them to be more effective than using physical money.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: exstasie on July 22, 2020, 10:53:02 AM
I want to do what i do ... like anyone else ... we want to do what we like ... pretty much govs screwed us on this one ...

I am in the EU ... there is 0 funds if you want to start a tech biz https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/funding-grants_en

I don't want loans i need funds for my start up like the farmers get each year ...,they are giving them free funds to buy tractors equipment etc ,and even if they don't work the land the EU payes them... we in the tech sector get nothing ...zero

The EU is the most corrupt institution in the world ...

Same story everywhere you look, not just the EU. This is the nature of bailouts. They are distributed completely unevenly and they create economic winners and losers. In the US, it's clear to me that the people who are receiving stimulus funds in their various forms are overwhelmingly not the people who need them most. In a cruel double whammy, this serves to widen the existing chasm dividing the lower and middle classes:

The US government has done very little to help the most vulnerable. They've bailed out some groups; mainly homeowners, displaced full-time workers who qualify for unemployment benefits, and a good deal of "small" businesses. Renters, informal and immigrant workers, students, long term unemployed, etc. (who I would consider the most vulnerable) have gotten the short end of the stick. They are the ones who missed out on the bailouts, stimulus checks, extended unemployment, etc. while still having to make their monthly housing payments without forgiveness.

The Fed and Congress don't want the middle class liquidating their retirement accounts (crashing the stock market) to pay their mortgages, so they let them stop paying their mortgages. They also don't want the housing market crashing from foreclosures, so......they let them stop paying their mortgages. Since poor people don't spend nearly as much money, don't own their homes, and don't own stocks, they aren't a major policy concern for lawmakers and don't deserve to be bailed out.

It's a very depressing sort of rationale, but it's also understandable. They are propping up the economy, not trying to help vulnerable people.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: romero121 on July 22, 2020, 11:07:42 AM
There is slow movement in the business compared to the months before pandemic. In USA there isn't much restrictions, because the ultimate goal is to stand high in the economy. Rest of the countries focus on tackling the situation and slow down the loss of lives.

It is true that lot has lost their jobs, software firms have given support to work from home as no one is sure when the situation will come to normal functioning. In some countries the scenario is worse with people suffering to get food. Let's hope for the best as vaccine for covid-19 is being under test in different parts of the world.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Bitum on July 22, 2020, 11:08:38 AM
The market economy has been and will always be cyclical, there are highs and lows, we are not in the best position at the moment regarding the COVID situation, so I would not say that the private sector is dead. There will still be times when people will be happy to spend his money again


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Kasabus on July 22, 2020, 02:11:45 PM
The market economy has been and will always be cyclical, there are highs and lows, we are not in the best position at the moment regarding the COVID situation, so I would not say that the private sector is dead. There will still be times when people will be happy to spend his money again
Yes. What is happening today is just the result of covid 19 and for sure, everything will be back to normal again once this pandemic is over. Most of the private sectors nowadays have been very much affected seeing their sales are experiencing decline but this doesn't mean that private businesses are already dead. They are just facing tough times today and they will still be standing again after this pandemic.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: $crypto$ on July 22, 2020, 02:35:07 PM
The market economy has been and will always be cyclical, there are highs and lows, we are not in the best position at the moment regarding the COVID situation, so I would not say that the private sector is dead. There will still be times when people will be happy to spend his money again
Yes. What is happening today is just the result of covid 19 and for sure, everything will be back to normal again once this pandemic is over. Most of the private sectors nowadays have been very much affected seeing their sales are experiencing decline but this doesn't mean that private businesses are already dead. They are just facing tough times today and they will still be standing again after this pandemic.
There has been a lot of news about vaccines that have been discovered and have been tested but I don't know whether this will be distributed in mass or not, but it is clear that just hearing the word vaccine is better for ending this pandemic.
Business in the private sector will never die, they will continue to try to get up despite the difficult circumstances, but with the risk that occurs, they reduce the workers so that their business will continue, believe this pandemic will disappear in the near future, so in any field of business it will return to normal as before.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: deisik on July 22, 2020, 04:47:42 PM
There has been a lot of news about vaccines that have been discovered and have been tested but I don't know whether this will be distributed in mass or not, but it is clear that just hearing the word vaccine is better for ending this pandemic

This is not what we should concern ourselves with presently

We should better hope that the vaccines will be effective in the first place. And with this type of virus, which is highly mutable, a separate vaccine may be required for every strain, with the implication being that there will be no working vaccine, by and large. That's not a good news. Other than that, personally, I have no doubts that if there will be a 100% working vaccine (despite all odds), it will be made available to everyone very cheap or or at no cost at all for the simple reason it is an economically sound solution


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: AniviaBtc on July 22, 2020, 05:09:52 PM
It is sad to hear your story... But I think there should be something you can do to earn some extra bucks for living, right? This pandemic really affects our current world and it changes our life significantly.

It is not that easy to find another job nowadays, most of the businesses are also struggling. But it is much more effective if someone will make his own business just for him to have an enough budget for his necessities during quarantine. You can't please someone to hire you that easy, you also need to do extra effort and consistency.

We had no choice but to deal with this crisis, that's why it feels like it is a survival of the fittest. You also need to follow those protocols to while working and dealing with outside environment for you to prevent those diseases to infect you.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Blackrain13 on July 22, 2020, 05:12:34 PM
Business  / private sector is dead

As a freelancer in 2 months i got 4 clients only ... in my area 4 clients it's like your biz is dead... no matter how much you try to do marketing/advertising it just does not work ...
I look at other peoples businesses same situation ...

High Tech,Web Development,Web design ,Mobile Development ,Marketing,Blockchain development,Dapps,Web Hosting is dead from what i see


I got friends taxi drivers same situation they are just sitting in the taxi and some day zero clients ,barber shops the same they are sitting around all day smoking ... anything that seems a "luxury good" people don't touch this days.

The only thing people are buying is basic necessities ... oh also food and cigarette prices went up again ...

It's a f nightmare ...those that have billions of USD under the mattress better start investing soon ,or that money will be good only as toilet paper ...

Economy i love it ...
And that all because of covid 19 pandemic. Everything has change and every people's lives getting worst everyday and the unemployed person keep on increasing because market is down and our economy are going to collapse if government will not do something.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Sanugarid on July 22, 2020, 06:39:12 PM
The government and business owners won't let that thing happen and even we're seeing that globally are affected by this market recession and increase of business shutdown causing thousands or millions of people out from their job but this not to consider that the economy is dying already. In fact, some countries are already resuming their business transaction applying the new normal.
This is also why most of the government around the world is slowly reopening the economy to prevent a business becoming non-existent. As of now I've already seen some complete closed business, some are on the verge of closing coz their products are not that needed today. Just today I saw one of my childhood memory park and a Zoo closed due to the pandemic, they cannot keep up the expenses well obviously because of absence of tourists. We can't really stop the business closures, we know it is efficient to stop a business when it's not working anymore, but new opportunities has come brought by the pandemic.

So, at this moment that cashless payment is surging, this is a great chance for the online marketing strategy to work well and this is pushing businesses to offer the same otherwise, they will die.
Online market is booming, they really do, in fact most business now are working online. If they want to survive then they should adapt the environment, that's the first way to survive these days not just with businesses actually. ADAPT.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: adzino on July 22, 2020, 07:46:56 PM
Business  / private sector is dead

As a freelancer in 2 months i got 4 clients only ... in my area 4 clients it's like your biz is dead... no matter how much you try to do marketing/advertising it just does not work ...
I look at other peoples businesses same situation ...

High Tech,Web Development,Web design ,Mobile Development ,Marketing,Blockchain development,Dapps,Web Hosting is dead from what i see


I got friends taxi drivers same situation they are just sitting in the taxi and some day zero clients ,barber shops the same they are sitting around all day smoking ... anything that seems a "luxury good" people don't touch this days.

The only thing people are buying is basic necessities ... oh also food and cigarette prices went up again ...

It's a f nightmare ...those that have billions of USD under the mattress better start investing soon ,or that money will be good only as toilet paper ...

Economy i love it ...
Not sure about the High tech, web development and other IT stuffs you are talking about is actually true. I mean, they are currently the most demanding jobs. Countries are importing people from other countries due to lack of workers on such fields. You will see Canada, Germany and other well developed country are in need of such people due to high demand for these skills but less skilled people.
You are probably looking at the wrong side.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: alani123 on July 22, 2020, 08:47:38 PM
It's true that much of the revenue from small businesses has been drastically cut.
The plan to save the economy has mostly so far favored large businesses to survive and thrive. Large businesses can nevertheless can survive from the mere promise of the government. They save themselves from bankruptcy by going in debt. But that's not something small businesses can do. If you earn nothing, you can't pay electricity, water, staff etc. So you have to shut down and move on. No earnings if you're closed, all the risk is in you. You can just get your government check to survive, not much more.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: milewilda on July 22, 2020, 08:59:01 PM
Business  / private sector is dead

As a freelancer in 2 months i got 4 clients only ... in my area 4 clients it's like your biz is dead... no matter how much you try to do marketing/advertising it just does not work ...
I look at other peoples businesses same situation ...

High Tech,Web Development,Web design ,Mobile Development ,Marketing,Blockchain development,Dapps,Web Hosting is dead from what i see


I got friends taxi drivers same situation they are just sitting in the taxi and some day zero clients ,barber shops the same they are sitting around all day smoking ... anything that seems a "luxury good" people don't touch this days.

The only thing people are buying is basic necessities ... oh also food and cigarette prices went up again ...

It's a f nightmare ...those that have billions of USD under the mattress better start investing soon ,or that money will be good only as toilet paper ...

Economy i love it ...
Not sure about the High tech, web development and other IT stuffs you are talking about is actually true. I mean, they are currently the most demanding jobs. Countries are importing people from other countries due to lack of workers on such fields. You will see Canada, Germany and other well developed country are in need of such people due to high demand for these skills but less skilled people.
You are probably looking at the wrong side.

He do make generalization on just seeing on a smaller scope which is actually a wrong thing.Same as yours i dont see that theres already a low demand into these kind of professions or skills.
For now where online works and jobs is much more relevant then i would rather see the opposite way which demand is getting higher since there still lots of jobs that should be done via online with specific skills needed.
All of those skills which mostly connects with development,designing and others will really still have that number.It isnt dead he do just generalize without looking on the bigger picture.
When it comes to overall industry then we cant really deny the fact that we do face off a very big and tough challenge.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Casdinyard on July 22, 2020, 09:17:06 PM
If you were referring to big businesses, they were actually not dead and it is somehow impossible to just happen that instant because owners of big businesses are really that rich people already. It is just that their businesses are down for a while now and they are just waiting for a go signal from the health officials and the government so that they can do operate already. Not just for their own sake but for the workers as well since business establishments are the ones who were making job opportunities for lots of people around.

Actually those business owners are doing negotiation with the government and the healthcare officials to open up their businesses to be operational and so that their workers can now get back to work to earn and save money for they have already been staying at home for a couple of months because of the quarantine doing nothing and earning nothing in a 'no work no pay' basis. Good thing that here in my country, our government and healthcare officials now allow business establishments to open up and be operational but on a limited working capacity only just to still execute the physical distancing under the "new normal" set up.

If you were referring to small businesses, well I think possibly some or most of them are dead due to the reason that owners did not come up on earning anything during quarantine and they were the ones that is directly affected on the temporary closing that turns out to be permanent because of the quarantine.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: shield132 on July 22, 2020, 09:24:39 PM
Well first off what country are you even referring to? This is a global forum. Also, you're right, business is hurting all around there is no question about that.  My own career has come under great fire of late, people aren't able to transact like normal in large part.

However, you're money is not all going to go away in the stock market.  You're wrong, that's simply not going to happen.  With earnings reports for Quarter 2 continue to roll in we could see a massive drop in markets, but markets always come back.  If they dont? Well, then we've got the apocalypse.

It does not matter what country ...the same situation is global ...don't look at the numbers in the papers and news , look at life around you ... life on tv is different then life in reality ...

stock markets is nothing without  business ... it's just fake money ...if people don't buy goods / services ...the stock market is worthless.
Where do you live, really? Where I live, the situation is following: Everyone says that corona affected them and are poor right now but life around you seems different: Dozens of people in clubs, restaurants are sometimes out of delivery necause of high demand,  supermarkets and hypermarkets are busy as hell like in past. Food and everything become very expensive but still it feels like there was no corona (well, musts are strictly required). And I want to mention that most of the business was absolutely stopped for 3 months and ten days ago were GYMs open, this is the only business that suffers in my country right now.
And online business? Hell, there was huge demand on it, online business is booming along with developers getting rich in current situation.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: shoreno on July 22, 2020, 09:47:09 PM
If you were referring to big businesses, they were actually not dead and it is somehow impossible to just happen that instant because owners of big businesses are really that rich people already. 

If you were referring to small businesses, well I think possibly some or most of them are dead due to the reason that owners did not come up on earning anything during quarantine and they were the ones that is directly affected on the temporary closing that turns out to be permanent because of the quarantine.

small and big business are in the same situation now so why call small business dead ? just because they earn small   ?  but they also know how to save and for sure they have a savings now that help them sustain thier living  .

calling business are dead seems bad to my ears but it would be better if we call them temporary close for now not unless you guys believe that this covid virus are going to be permanent thing in the future and on the current situation  .


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: batang_bitcoin on July 22, 2020, 10:11:32 PM
Those countries that are starting to recovery on their economy can have those businesses back open again. They may not be at the same time but a little by little and coming from the most essential to the least essential business to re-open. Like the example you have mentioned, taxi drivers. In my country, they were back at business but with proper protocols, sanitizers and as much as they can, cashless payment for easier payment. And you being a freelancer, I hope that you can recover back because you've got a lot of skills to offer.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: bits4books on July 23, 2020, 06:15:42 AM
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everything is dead we will all die
You are Such a low skill kind of freelancer and business participant if you do not know such a rule as "waiting is better than losing". All now prefer to wait for the first calls of the economic growth and not going to push ahead bringing additional losses. If you don't understand that, I'm sorry. Don't start a panic in a place where they are already doing a great job without you.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: lienfaye on July 23, 2020, 06:36:38 AM
Though the economy is slowly recovering because of the less restriction for business and establishments, there are businesses (e.g restaurants and bars) who chose to permanently close due to losses of not getting profit anymore because of the pandemic. Lack of customers are the reason, as I can see here the most affected are the drivers of public transportation since there's a limit for passengers which means less income.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: spy100 on July 23, 2020, 09:04:12 AM
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everything is dead we will all die
You are Such a low skill kind of freelancer and business participant if you do not know such a rule as "waiting is better than losing". All now prefer to wait for the first calls of the economic growth and not going to push ahead bringing additional losses. If you don't understand that, I'm sorry. Don't start a panic in a place where they are already doing a great job without you.

it's not about low quality work... it's about where is the demand ? ...

Before i started freelancing again i was a lead developer  in a company , i created a bitcoin trading platform in php and after the backend for a mobile trading & loans platform for eth and eth tokens , nothing to do with skills ...

Here is the problem in freelancing... Indians took over the market with shit prices ... Now you the client will go to a indian do to fact he has lower prices then europeans or americans ... your going to get your project done ... but you will pay shit price and you will get shit quality ... after you will come to skilled european / american freelancers like me and ask us to fix your project ... we give you the real price and you start telling us that you know freelancers that charge cheaper ...

Now we the "low skilled" european/americans  freelancers tell you this : Go F yourself and your project ... if you want quality pay quality ,go  to your indians to fix it ...

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In 2015 i started working for a company as web developer then in 2018 i was promoted to lead developer until march 2020,i quit my job do to fact ceo wanted to cut salary to 33% out of 100% (excuse coronavirus) ...download stib p2p app to see eth platform
From march 2020 - present date i started freelancing again while i am looking for a job : 2020 portfolio you can see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5243944
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Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Ucy on July 23, 2020, 09:46:56 AM
Depends on where you live. Or maybe dead is an extreme word. Things were pretty difficult for medium scale businesses in the beginning though, but it seems to have returned to normal where I live after reasonable amount of business/social activities resumed. I guess cities and big towns are mostly affected where lockdown are still in place around the world?



Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: tbterryboy on July 23, 2020, 02:37:11 PM
Depends on where you live. Or maybe dead is an extreme word. Things were pretty difficult for medium scale businesses in the beginning though, but it seems to have returned to normal where I live after reasonable amount of business/social activities resumed. I guess cities and big towns are mostly affected where lockdown are still in place around the world?
I agree with the fact that every country differs and while some have been able to restore normality or close to that but there are still countries that are suffering and I cannot deny the fact that the private sector is really dead right now because there are no jobs and the ones who are holding onto their jobs are lucky or just hardworking because it's not easy to cling on your job in such times with the payroll being cut and the work hours being increased in general.

As an online freelancer and part time worker I know it is not easy to get the same amount of projects as it was earlier because really no one wants to invest in any project and hence there is a low right now in the market in terms of investment, jobs and new projects.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: inoes on July 23, 2020, 03:43:58 PM
Business  / private sector is dead

As a freelancer in 2 months i got 4 clients only ... in my area 4 clients it's like your biz is dead... no matter how much you try to do marketing/advertising it just does not work ...
I look at other peoples businesses same situation ...
This is a complex problem. Naturally, if the freelance experienced a little order. This is basically because the interests of the community are more focused on primary needs. Your work is good because it is a service. but the customer you have helped has not been able to get the expected profit. So that makes your orders little.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: bearexin on July 23, 2020, 04:06:08 PM
Though the economy is slowly recovering because of the less restriction for business and establishments, there are businesses (e.g restaurants and bars) who chose to permanently close due to losses of not getting profit anymore because of the pandemic. Lack of customers are the reason, as I can see here the most affected are the drivers of public transportation since there's a limit for passengers which means less income.
Choosing to permanently shut down hotels might be a decision they had to make out of desperation or maybe they have loans on the hotel itself which is not possible to manage and they have to close it.

But if only they could have managed a little longer, the conditions are now getting back to healthy once again and very soon the market would be back and there might be even more movement and demand since people are frustrated being locked into their house and would rush to hotels, malls, etc once they see there is no fear and restrictions being applied.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Lorence.xD on July 24, 2020, 03:21:38 AM
The life of businesses depend on the government's ability to manage their business sectors. If they do not know what to do with all the problems at hand then they will surely have a problem. If the government knows how to control the pandemic from spreading then that means that they can open businesses easily because they addressed the problem of atleast alleviating the chances of viral contraction. This is just a matter of government competence in my opinion because look at New Zealand.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Mauser on July 24, 2020, 08:07:27 AM
The private sector, including business and commerce is not dying because the country's economy is being disrupted and everything is shutting down. They are closing down their companies due to lack of necessary funds, which is causing many people to become unemployed. Unable to pay workers due to non-import and export the situation is getting worse day by day due to the lack of proper action by the government commodity prices are rising if the government takes the right steps these will never be possible.


I noticed that most of the time funds are actually there but people don't give any priority anymore and postpone a few months. Same for the layoffs, business is not all bad yet and doesn't require such drastic measures. But the companies still layoff a large portion of their employee. I believe its more about the outlook of the future than the actual current state. As long as we have these high corona numbers and there is no normalisation in sight, companies will be reluctant to hire and invest again. Which kind of makes everything worse.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: rodskee on July 24, 2020, 10:07:29 AM
The life of businesses depend on the government's ability to manage their business sectors.

Majorities are relying with how the government will rule out and manage this sectors.

If they do not know what to do with all the problems at hand then they will surely have a problem.

Correct, the sectors are being affected much by problem and help coming from the
government is really in need.

If the government knows how to control the pandemic from spreading then that means that they can open businesses easily because they addressed the problem of atleast alleviating the chances of viral contraction.

If, that's the very important factor right now, how the government deal with strategic
to handle this virus and how they will
focus in order to survive and let the economy to still to move even the virus is still
existing.


This is just a matter of government competence in my opinion because look at New Zealand.

It's more on how they planned ahead of time and anticipate each movements,
the reliable the government the better economy.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Mame89 on July 24, 2020, 03:31:00 PM
It is sad to hear your story... But I think there should be something you can do to earn some extra bucks for living, right? This pandemic really affects our current world and it changes our life significantly.

It is not that easy to find another job nowadays, most of the businesses are also struggling. But it is much more effective if someone will make his own business just for him to have an enough budget for his necessities during quarantine. You can't please someone to hire you that easy, you also need to do extra effort and consistency.

We had no choice but to deal with this crisis, that's why it feels like it is a survival of the fittest. You also need to follow those protocols to while working and dealing with outside environment for you to prevent those diseases to infect you.
business solutions that are safe are online businesses at home. It all depends we all look at the angle that occurs. even though we remain at home but produce. in the current era in the era of many people open business opportunities with home-based business and online transactions. In order to avoid the spread of corona is widespread. This business is run not just adults, teenagers also participate in online business at home. As long as we have the capital to run a business that will be developed...?


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: deisik on July 24, 2020, 05:14:14 PM
If you were referring to big businesses, they were actually not dead and it is somehow impossible to just happen that instant because owners of big businesses are really that rich people already. 

If you were referring to small businesses, well I think possibly some or most of them are dead due to the reason that owners did not come up on earning anything during quarantine and they were the ones that is directly affected on the temporary closing that turns out to be permanent because of the quarantine.

small and big business are in the same situation now so why call small business dead ? just because they earn small   ?  but they also know how to save and for sure they have a savings now that help them sustain thier livin

Small and big businesses are in the same situation, as we all are

However, it would be a mistake to equal them. Big businesses are big because they have many product lines, and their production capacities are often located in different places, sometimes in different countries or even parts of the world. If something goes wrong with one product or one place, they can always relocate and close that product. For small business, it is more often than not the end of the game. I'm actually curious why people would ever say that big businesses are as vulnerable as small ones


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: ecnalubma on July 24, 2020, 05:50:59 PM
Some might be dead others are struggling to survive a very tight economy. The countries that can operate normally are probably those who are less affected. People loses jobs no income, abnormal businesses operations health sectors continuously counting infected people. what could we expect expect?


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: panganib999 on July 24, 2020, 11:31:58 PM
Business and private sector are not actually dead. They were just down for a while in accordance to the implementing community quarantine and health care guidelines to temporarily close down the business establishments to prevent the further spread of the virus that can be potentially transferred in a crowded place like work place that is why they are down for a while to give way on the planning on how to come up into the best way possible that workers can get back to work even at time of pandemic. Good thing that after a couple of months being closed, many businesses are now back to operation following the health guidelines and protocols being mandated by the healthcare professionals as well as the government to prevent the further infection brought by the virus.

But sadly, there were small businesses that turns out to close from temporary to permanent manner because owners cannot already afford to give its workers salary since they were also affected by the effect of pandemic bringing them to a financial crisis. But with regards to large businesses and corporation, they are still working and back in operation with minimal working capacity to still exhibit the social distancing required by the WHO and the government so that workers can now get back into their jobs while taking care of themselves not to get infected by the virus.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Shasha80 on July 24, 2020, 11:41:18 PM
The Pandemic COVID-19 did damage everything, all businesses were destroyed. Even large companies experience substantial losses,
and very many home industries bankrupt. So it's no wonder the unemployment rate continues to grow, if we want to survive in an
economic crisis like now, it's better to choose a business that sells basic necessities. Because it has been proven for now many
people prioritize buying daily necessities.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: bits4books on July 25, 2020, 12:17:52 PM
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everything is dead we will all die
You are Such a low skill kind of freelancer and business participant if you do not know such a rule as "waiting is better than losing". All now prefer to wait for the first calls of the economic growth and not going to push ahead bringing additional losses. If you don't understand that, I'm sorry. Don't start a panic in a place where they are already doing a great job without you.

it's not about low quality work... it's about where is the demand ? ...

Before i started freelancing again i was a lead developer  in a company , i created a bitcoin trading platform in php and after the backend for a mobile trading & loans platform for eth and eth tokens , nothing to do with skills ...

Here is the problem in freelancing... Indians took over the market with shit prices ... Now you the client will go to a indian do to fact he has lower prices then europeans or americans ... your going to get your project done ... but you will pay shit price and you will get shit quality ... after you will come to skilled european / american freelancers like me and ask us to fix your project ... we give you the real price and you start telling us that you know freelancers that charge cheaper ...

Now we the "low skilled" european/americans  freelancers tell you this : Go F yourself and your project ... if you want quality pay quality ,go  to your indians to fix it ...

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Back in 2010-2015 i built over 300 websites and around 100-150 logos  and other graphic design projects ( satisfied custumers ) some of them you will see them in my old portfolio: https://www.coroflot.com/spy100/My-Portfolio
In 2015 i started working for a company as web developer then in 2018 i was promoted to lead developer until march 2020,i quit my job do to fact ceo wanted to cut salary to 33% out of 100% (excuse coronavirus) ...download stib p2p app to see eth platform
From march 2020 - present date i started freelancing again while i am looking for a job : 2020 portfolio you can see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5243944
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If you think that I said a stupid thing-then you do not really understand what I wanted to say, you need to be able to wait and catch the moment
I know a lot of people who complain about the Hindus saying they have taken up the entire web niche and do not give a way to others - but even more I know people who do not feel this. And you know why? Because those who complain about the Hindus are not very far from them in terms of the quality of their work and their code. Everyone who has at least once encountered the "legendary cheap Hindus" knows that it is better to pay an extra $ 10 / hour than then redo all their shit code. Think about it at your leisure, colleague. And good luck with your job!


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: spy100 on July 25, 2020, 12:55:38 PM
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everything is dead we will all die
You are Such a low skill kind of freelancer and business participant if you do not know such a rule as "waiting is better than losing". All now prefer to wait for the first calls of the economic growth and not going to push ahead bringing additional losses. If you don't understand that, I'm sorry. Don't start a panic in a place where they are already doing a great job without you.

it's not about low quality work... it's about where is the demand ? ...

Before i started freelancing again i was a lead developer  in a company , i created a bitcoin trading platform in php and after the backend for a mobile trading & loans platform for eth and eth tokens , nothing to do with skills ...

Here is the problem in freelancing... Indians took over the market with shit prices ... Now you the client will go to a indian do to fact he has lower prices then europeans or americans ... your going to get your project done ... but you will pay shit price and you will get shit quality ... after you will come to skilled european / american freelancers like me and ask us to fix your project ... we give you the real price and you start telling us that you know freelancers that charge cheaper ...

Now we the "low skilled" european/americans  freelancers tell you this : Go F yourself and your project ... if you want quality pay quality ,go  to your indians to fix it ...

-----------------------------------------------------
Back in 2010-2015 i built over 300 websites and around 100-150 logos  and other graphic design projects ( satisfied custumers ) some of them you will see them in my old portfolio: https://www.coroflot.com/spy100/My-Portfolio
In 2015 i started working for a company as web developer then in 2018 i was promoted to lead developer until march 2020,i quit my job do to fact ceo wanted to cut salary to 33% out of 100% (excuse coronavirus) ...download stib p2p app to see eth platform
From march 2020 - present date i started freelancing again while i am looking for a job : 2020 portfolio you can see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5243944
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Check my profile before you start saying stupid stuff...



If you think that I said a stupid thing-then you do not really understand what I wanted to say, you need to be able to wait and catch the moment
I know a lot of people who complain about the Hindus saying they have taken up the entire web niche and do not give a way to others - but even more I know people who do not feel this. And you know why? Because those who complain about the Hindus are not very far from them in terms of the quality of their work and their code. Everyone who has at least once encountered the "legendary cheap Hindus" knows that it is better to pay an extra $ 10 / hour than then redo all their shit code. Think about it at your leisure, colleague. And good luck with your job!

This has nothing to do with quality .... it's about fair prices

In Europe living costs are 800-1000 euros / month minimum
In USA i think it costs even more

So how in the hell do western people expect to compete with asian prices when living costs in Asia are lower like 50-100 usd / month ...? If i copy someones work here i go to prison ,if a indian copies someones work nothing happens to him ...

I remember now ...a Indian guy said to me : If i make 150 usd per month from "web design" i can provide for my hole family ...well in Europe with 150 usd you can't even go s...t sort of speaking ...

I see our traitors bringing cheap labor from Asia ... well anything does traitors are making i am never ever going to buy ...

What Asians are doing it's called dirty competition .... so in order to stop this madness i will vote nationalist parties from now on each time ... TARIFFS ,TARIFFS and more TARRIFS on Asian products /  high taxes on non EU labor and high taxes on anything people buy outside EU this is the solution




Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: exstasie on July 25, 2020, 01:10:08 PM
I remember now ...a Indian guy said to me : If i make 150 usd per month from "web design" i can provide for my hole family ...well in Europe with 150 usd you can't even go s...t sort of speaking ...

I see our traitors bringing cheap labor from Asia ... well anything does traitors are making i am never ever going to buy ...

What Asians are doing it's called dirty competition .... so in order to stop this madness i will vote nationalist parties from now on each time ... TARIFFS ,TARIFFS and more TARRIFS on Asian products /  high taxes on non EU labor and high taxes on anything people buy outside EU this is the solution

Be careful what you wish for there. High tariffs will surely increase domestic prices due to the higher production costs. That will reduce your purchasing power as a consumer. It will also reinforce barriers to market entry for startups since business investment will become more costly.

There's no denying that globalization has fucked over workers in many ways. I'm just not sure tariffs are the answer.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: spy100 on July 25, 2020, 02:11:58 PM
I remember now ...a Indian guy said to me : If i make 150 usd per month from "web design" i can provide for my hole family ...well in Europe with 150 usd you can't even go s...t sort of speaking ...

I see our traitors bringing cheap labor from Asia ... well anything does traitors are making i am never ever going to buy ...

What Asians are doing it's called dirty competition .... so in order to stop this madness i will vote nationalist parties from now on each time ... TARIFFS ,TARIFFS and more TARRIFS on Asian products /  high taxes on non EU labor and high taxes on anything people buy outside EU this is the solution

Be careful what you wish for there. High tariffs will surely increase domestic prices due to the higher production costs. That will reduce your purchasing power as a consumer. It will also reinforce barriers to market entry for startups since business investment will become more costly.

There's no denying that globalization has fucked over workers in many ways. I'm just not sure tariffs are the answer.

Countries are like parallel universes ...

In country A a cheap coffee costs 1.5 euros ...

In country B a cheap coffee costs 0.05 euros ...

Sure the avg Joe from country A will buy cheap coffee from a person that lives in country B ... he keeps more money in his pocket .Sounds great until he realizes he f'd up.


The avg Joe does not realize that his destroying his job , country , family etc by doing biz with country B  ....he is destroying the businesses from country A and the suppliers etc ...he makes his country more weak...

You should do biz with countries on your same level ... or if you buy something from country B make sure you don't F up your life...



 



Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Mame89 on July 25, 2020, 02:45:20 PM
The Pandemic COVID-19 did damage everything, all businesses were destroyed. Even large companies experience substantial losses,
and very many home industries bankrupt. So it's no wonder the unemployment rate continues to grow, if we want to survive in an
economic crisis like now, it's better to choose a business that sells basic necessities. Because it has been proven for now many
people prioritize buying daily necessities.
The pandemic does not destroy everything, it's just that it changes the era of conditions in society that disrupt normal activities. Everyone in the world is tested with disasters will see the point of view going forward. When this continues, everyone must think, for things that survive the need for a day I hope everyone has an anticipated view of this because we don't know how long it will last. This crisis will continue before this pandemic disappears. It's really depressing.?


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: KrisAlex18 on July 25, 2020, 02:52:43 PM
It is not totally dead. Business and private sectors are just ordered to be close for a while just to make necessary measures for the sake of the safety of the people not to create a big crowd most specially at big malls and public places so that the spread of the virus will be lessen or taken into control. The suggestion of the temporary closure has been done to make a way for the disinfection of the business establishments and to follow the rules and regulations of the government as well as the health care officials because in a big place where people work and get together can have a big potential to acquire virus.

With such safety measures, the businesses and private sectors are not tend to be dead just close. But after a couple of months, they are back again and alive to get operational but still on a prior notice to exhibit health protocols to assure the safety of everyone. Maybe there are businesses that from temporary closure turns out to be permanent closure because of some reasons. Most of those are small time businesses but for big businesses, it is quite impossible for those to die easily what more with the private sectors. The effect of the pandemic is really tragic not just on life but as well with the business but good thing business establishments are open now again even with minimal working capacity.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: akram143 on July 25, 2020, 06:52:27 PM
Business  / private sector is dead

As a freelancer in 2 months i got 4 clients only ... in my area 4 clients it's like your biz is dead... no matter how much you try to do marketing/advertising it just does not work ...
I look at other peoples businesses same situation ...

High Tech,Web Development,Web design ,Mobile Development ,Marketing,Blockchain development,Dapps,Web Hosting is dead from what i see


I got friends taxi drivers same situation they are just sitting in the taxi and some day zero clients ,barber shops the same they are sitting around all day smoking ... anything that seems a "luxury good" people don't touch this days.

The only thing people are buying is basic necessities ... oh also food and cigarette prices went up again ...

It's a f nightmare ...those that have billions of USD under the mattress better start investing soon ,or that money will be good only as toilet paper ...

Economy i love it ...
People lost their jobs due to pandemic and they were forced to be inside their houses for very long time in some countries in that time people only spend their money to buy foods and groceries if they have any money left to spend.All other business and especially advertisement industry will take years to recovered from this so yes the economy is dead so it will be your decision whether you are going to stay like thins and blame other or go and get a job where you actually getting paid.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: spy100 on July 25, 2020, 07:45:28 PM
Business  / private sector is dead

As a freelancer in 2 months i got 4 clients only ... in my area 4 clients it's like your biz is dead... no matter how much you try to do marketing/advertising it just does not work ...
I look at other peoples businesses same situation ...

High Tech,Web Development,Web design ,Mobile Development ,Marketing,Blockchain development,Dapps,Web Hosting is dead from what i see


I got friends taxi drivers same situation they are just sitting in the taxi and some day zero clients ,barber shops the same they are sitting around all day smoking ... anything that seems a "luxury good" people don't touch this days.

The only thing people are buying is basic necessities ... oh also food and cigarette prices went up again ...

It's a f nightmare ...those that have billions of USD under the mattress better start investing soon ,or that money will be good only as toilet paper ...

Economy i love it ...
People lost their jobs due to pandemic and they were forced to be inside their houses for very long time in some countries in that time people only spend their money to buy foods and groceries if they have any money left to spend.All other business and especially advertisement industry will take years to recovered from this so yes the economy is dead so it will be your decision whether you are going to stay like thins and blame other or go and get a job where you actually getting paid.

are you kidding me this is my job :)


we going to see war very soon ... if they don't fix the situation ... like you said people lost their jobs and when famine comes war comes also.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: deisik on July 25, 2020, 07:54:46 PM
I know a lot of people who complain about the Hindus saying they have taken up the entire web niche and do not give a way to others - but even more I know people who do not feel this. And you know why? Because those who complain about the Hindus are not very far from them in terms of the quality of their work and their code. Everyone who has at least once encountered the "legendary cheap Hindus" knows that it is better to pay an extra $ 10 / hour than then redo all their shit code. Think about it at your leisure, colleague. And good luck with your job!

This has nothing to do with quality .... it's about fair prices

Fair prices go along with quality

In other words, you can't compare prices without reference to the quality provided. And something tells me that prices are more or less the same across the globe for the same work standards. It simply doesn't make sense to ask below the market rates as you will be selling yourself cheap to cheap employers below your notch. And this has nothing to do with the lowest possible standard of living which you implicitly set as a reference point. You may live in the depths of Africa and still ask the highest price as long as you are up to snuff


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: FanEagle on July 25, 2020, 08:20:19 PM
I am sure it will be fix eventually, maybe not exactly, maybe not the companies and business' right now but it will be fixed eventually. One day that shop on the corner of your house will be closed, because there is pandemic and economy is bad and they can't continue anymore, maybe some other shop will start there soon, or maybe it will take some time, and even that could be closed because economy doesn't recover fast enough, but one day there will be one that opens there and continues to work for years.

That is what we are talking about here, economy could recover, not everyone will be effected from this recovery and get richer again, but the country as a whole will recover and the total combined amount people have will go up once again. Is that enough? Not really, but at least that means we are not going to be like Venezuela or Zimbabwe.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: spy100 on July 25, 2020, 08:25:52 PM
I know a lot of people who complain about the Hindus saying they have taken up the entire web niche and do not give a way to others - but even more I know people who do not feel this. And you know why? Because those who complain about the Hindus are not very far from them in terms of the quality of their work and their code. Everyone who has at least once encountered the "legendary cheap Hindus" knows that it is better to pay an extra $ 10 / hour than then redo all their shit code. Think about it at your leisure, colleague. And good luck with your job!

This has nothing to do with quality .... it's about fair prices

Fair prices go along with quality

In other words, you can't compare prices without reference to the quality provided. And something tells me that prices are more or less the same across the globe for the same work standards. It simply doesn't make sense to ask below the market rates as you will be selling yourself cheap to cheap employers below your notch. And this has nothing to do with the lowest possible standard of living which you implicitly set as a reference point. You may live in the depths of Africa and still ask the highest price as long as you are up to snuff

I live in Europe and i can say to you that your wrong...  

A chocolate bar made in Europe costs 2 euros , a chocolate bar coming from outside the EU costs 0.5 euros and it's junk when you open it you can see it's old ,and they used more sugar then cacao...
Should we start talking about cars,clothing,jewellery,leather products ,machinery,computers etc made in Europe vs junk made in China and India ... ?

Africa,China,India etc can't even compare with Europe,USA,Canada,South Korea,Japan when it comes to quality ...maybe one day they will reach our level but not in my lifetime ...


In Europe we know what quality is ... Do not even try to compare Lamborghini's with Tata's  ;D







Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Yatsan on July 25, 2020, 08:55:17 PM
Not all businesses have died because of the pandemic but there are really some that have sadly experience a temporary to permanent closure because of no incoming earnings from the past months all due to the implementing community quarantine. Most of those businesses that are directly affected and turns out to close permanently are small businesses because those are the small earning capacity business establishments with low capital and because of the pandemic that they have no customers but still do have expenses to support daily necessities, the supposedly temporary closure turns out to become a permanent closure already.

But if we would be referring into the big businesses, many or most of them are already back into operation ever since the community quarantine have lessen the restrictions and a so called "new normal" set up is being implemented allowing business establishments to open up but the operating time will be shortened and the working capacity will be just on a minimal rate of about 30 to 50 percent which is the situation we have in our country as of the moment. This is to allow people to get back to work and reopen businesses to help for the revival of the economy that have experience declination due to no incoming earnings and taxes from businesses.

With that, we can say that businesses are not totally dead. So as with the private sectors. They were just down for a while amid with the existing protocols to help fight back the spreading of the infectious disease which is covid-19. But so far, everything seems going to look good because finally after a couple of months close business establishments are now back in operation.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: deisik on July 25, 2020, 09:01:23 PM
I know a lot of people who complain about the Hindus saying they have taken up the entire web niche and do not give a way to others - but even more I know people who do not feel this. And you know why? Because those who complain about the Hindus are not very far from them in terms of the quality of their work and their code. Everyone who has at least once encountered the "legendary cheap Hindus" knows that it is better to pay an extra $ 10 / hour than then redo all their shit code. Think about it at your leisure, colleague. And good luck with your job!

This has nothing to do with quality .... it's about fair prices

Fair prices go along with quality

In other words, you can't compare prices without reference to the quality provided. And something tells me that prices are more or less the same across the globe for the same work standards. It simply doesn't make sense to ask below the market rates as you will be selling yourself cheap to cheap employers below your notch. And this has nothing to do with the lowest possible standard of living which you implicitly set as a reference point. You may live in the depths of Africa and still ask the highest price as long as you are up to snuff

I live in Europe and i can say to you that your wrong... 

A chocolate bar made in Europe costs 2 euros , a chocolate bar coming from outside the EU costs 0.5 euros and it's junk when you open it you can see it's old ,and they used more sugar then cacao...

And where am I wrong here?

You basically confirm what I'm saying, i.e. that a decent chocolate bar costs 2 euro and a shitty one a quarter of that. If you would have to pay the same price for good stuff and trash, you would be right. And you would be right too if you paid different prices for essentially the same stuff, like 2 euro for a European chocolate bar and 0.5 euro for the same quality out of some backward country where the labor is cheap. But this is not the case as you say yourself


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: erikoy on July 25, 2020, 11:52:04 PM

And where am I wrong here?

You basically confirm what I'm saying, i.e. that a decent chocolate bar costs 2 euro and a shitty one a quarter of that. If you would have to pay the same price for good stuff and trash, you would be right. And you would be right too if you paid different prices for essentially the same stuff, like 2 euro for a European chocolate bar and 0.5 euro for the same quality out of some backward country where the labor is cheap. But this is not the case as you say yourself
why would all of the sudden the topic changes from private sectors from being dead to chocolate. I guess you have made a lot of discussions to which lead out to concrete evidences on the private sector.

Anyway, the logic is very simlple and let us not all complicate things. Business in private sector is not dead neither will it be. It is just put on hold due to the fact the the government mandate is to keep everyone to stay at home for safety of all. If only there is no mandate for this then pretty sure that these private sectors will continue their business as usual.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: akram143 on July 26, 2020, 07:45:56 AM
Business  / private sector is dead

As a freelancer in 2 months i got 4 clients only ... in my area 4 clients it's like your biz is dead... no matter how much you try to do marketing/advertising it just does not work ...
I look at other peoples businesses same situation ...

High Tech,Web Development,Web design ,Mobile Development ,Marketing,Blockchain development,Dapps,Web Hosting is dead from what i see


I got friends taxi drivers same situation they are just sitting in the taxi and some day zero clients ,barber shops the same they are sitting around all day smoking ... anything that seems a "luxury good" people don't touch this days.

The only thing people are buying is basic necessities ... oh also food and cigarette prices went up again ...

It's a f nightmare ...those that have billions of USD under the mattress better start investing soon ,or that money will be good only as toilet paper ...

Economy i love it ...
People lost their jobs due to pandemic and they were forced to be inside their houses for very long time in some countries in that time people only spend their money to buy foods and groceries if they have any money left to spend.All other business and especially advertisement industry will take years to recovered from this so yes the economy is dead so it will be your decision whether you are going to stay like thins and blame other or go and get a job where you actually getting paid.

are you kidding me this is my job :)


we going to see war very soon ... if they don't fix the situation ... like you said people lost their jobs and when famine comes war comes also.
I don't understand the meaning of our words, Its my job?

How can you say that its your job, do you own any company to call it as your job!



Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: AjithBtc on July 26, 2020, 08:38:57 AM
Business all around the world is struggling to make a comeback. The medical and pharmaceutical industries gains good revenue out of the ongoing pandemic. Governments functioning around the globe has got different plans to recover the economy directly and indirectly. Some governments have announced money to its citizens, so that they can stay home and fulfill their needs.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: exstasie on July 26, 2020, 08:54:07 AM
Countries are like parallel universes ...

In country A a cheap coffee costs 1.5 euros ...

In country B a cheap coffee costs 0.05 euros ...

Sure the avg Joe from country A will buy cheap coffee from a person that lives in country B ... he keeps more money in his pocket .Sounds great until he realizes he f'd up.

The avg Joe does not realize that his destroying his job , country , family etc by doing biz with country B  ....he is destroying the businesses from country A and the suppliers etc ...he makes his country more weak...

That's the breaks. Cheaper quality aside, consumers prove time and time again that keeping goods cheap is of the utmost importance. Free trade policies cater to both consumer interests and those of large multi-national corporations.

As for small businesses, who cares about them? ;)


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: fiulpro on July 26, 2020, 09:33:39 AM
Business  / private sector is dead

As a freelancer in 2 months i got 4 clients only ... in my area 4 clients it's like your biz is dead... no matter how much you try to do marketing/advertising it just does not work ...
I look at other peoples businesses same situation ...

High Tech,Web Development,Web design ,Mobile Development ,Marketing,Blockchain development,Dapps,Web Hosting is dead from what i see


I got friends taxi drivers same situation they are just sitting in the taxi and some day zero clients ,barber shops the same they are sitting around all day smoking ... anything that seems a "luxury good" people don't touch this days.

The only thing people are buying is basic necessities ... oh also food and cigarette prices went up again ...

It's a f nightmare ...those that have billions of USD under the mattress better start investing soon ,or that money will be good only as toilet paper ...

Economy i love it ...

Most of the private owned business which are concerned with transportation are dead and people are suffering huge loss , my own father had to sell his business because since the pandemic it wasn't allowed to function and even now it's so tight that people barely use them at all.

The government promises to provide explanation and huge help for the small businesses but at the end of the day it never reached the smaller sector .

Stimulus bills are for the rich and wealthy nations where the Government can afford to provide money to the people in need , for the small countries people have to fend for themselves and most of the companies who are still working are giving 50% less salary to the people who are joining fresh .

It does not matter what is stated on the internet , what matters is what do people experience when they go out in public looking for jobs , the media does not give a fair word out in the public.

I do understand this because I have seen my father struggle during the Pandemic , this is why I support cryptocurrencies since even in this time we do have a way to earn internationally , Students can even do part time jobs here , signature campaigns are still working and this is the kind of governance we need .

-°-

Hopefully the Government will understand their shortcomings and then try and help people for real , provide them jobs , don't give them money every once in a while~

Expand your local business and support the local sellers , be self sufficient this way you will be able to employee people at the same time make the economy grow .


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: reliable on July 26, 2020, 10:15:31 AM
There is a lot on the government plate to take car of its citizens and the small business units. Because since from past 4 months units are shut and do not have any income to play to laborer’s. This is creating a big issue and now government need to provide some relief to all such sectors and units who are facing financial crunch.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: coinfinger on July 26, 2020, 01:30:13 PM
Well first off what country are you even referring to? This is a global forum. Also, you're right, business is hurting all around there is no question about that.  My own career has come under great fire of late, people aren't able to transact like normal in large part.

However, you're money is not all going to go away in the stock market.  You're wrong, that's simply not going to happen.  With earnings reports for Quarter 2 continue to roll in we could see a massive drop in markets, but markets always come back.  If they dont? Well, then we've got the apocalypse.
I guess he is referring to the third world countries as those are the regions where the pandemic has affected the most to the economy. Stock of pretty much every company has taken a fall due to the pandemic situation. As the businesses are starting to resume slowly and getting back to normal, the stock prices should start rising again.

We will surely see an uptrend in all the well known stocks in the next few months. Let's just hope the pandemic doesn’t get even more worse than it already is, and no country has to face economic crisis as it takes minimum 2-3 years for a country to get back on its feet.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: deisik on July 26, 2020, 02:20:17 PM
You basically confirm what I'm saying, i.e. that a decent chocolate bar costs 2 euro and a shitty one a quarter of that. If you would have to pay the same price for good stuff and trash, you would be right. And you would be right too if you paid different prices for essentially the same stuff, like 2 euro for a European chocolate bar and 0.5 euro for the same quality out of some backward country where the labor is cheap. But this is not the case as you say yourself
why would all of the sudden the topic changes from private sectors from being dead to chocolate. I guess you have made a lot of discussions to which lead out to concrete evidences on the private sector

I'm not sure how to understand this part

What evidence are you talking about? Care to explain? Just in case, it was not me who raised the point of cheap labor versus expensive labor. So, in my turn, why do you ask me, exactly? Regardless, for small businesses which can't diversify, the cost of labor (which was exemplified in the example of chocolate) has everything to do with their survival. And if some businesses are to die due to pandemic, it will be the smaller ones which have higher chances of going belly up. Simply because they can't move to countries with cheap workforce


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Argoo on July 26, 2020, 03:05:30 PM
Indeed, private businesses, especially small and medium-sized businesses, have suffered a lot of losses due to measures to combat the spread of coronavirus. In my country, more than half of small private businesses have closed. Since March, when governments began to take tough measures to combat the spread of the coronavirus, people have practically lost their savings and now people's purchasing power has dropped to a minimum.
Outwardly, it looks like a conspiracy of the world government. The colossal damage to the global economy was caused not by the coronavirus, but by measures to combat it, which stopped production, trade, transport, and so on. In my country, in the spring, agricultural producers could not sell their goods, and the population could not buy food. As a result, a significant part of the food simply went bad.
On the other hand, mainly people who are complicated by other serious diseases die from the coronavirus. In my opinion, the danger of a coronavirus pandemic is too exaggerated.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Oceat on July 26, 2020, 04:19:25 PM
This is the impact of the prolonged Covid 19 pandemic.  When the disease is difficult to control, people will become more nervous, they will consume less and they will save money to invest or buy food to store.  This is the common mentality of many people right now, most service companies are losing a lot now.  We must accept the present situation and plan for the worst.
I think people already know what they should do in times like this since we are facing a new normal and people should start adapting. The worst is coming since the pandemic is not yet done without the present of a curable vaccine there's no stopping and getting back to what we used to be before.

The government should be ready to something like this in the future to avoid another recession of the economy if the pandemic would prolong just what happened to us right now.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: RealMalatesta on July 27, 2020, 03:39:16 PM
The only thing I could ever agree with Trump is the fact that USA did a lot of tests, they are doing a ton of them as well, look at some of the third world countries and you will realize that they are not doing anything remotely similar and the testing is very low in numbers, which causes their infected and dead numbers to be low as well.

So, the economy of those nations are affected a lot more as well, why? Because they test low, and because they test low the numbers are low, because numbers are low they do not take the same prevention as the other nations do, which causes them to be even in more serious trouble health related, which causes them to be in a lot more trouble financially as well. So, testing can lead to a lot of troubles in the long run.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: wozzek23 on July 27, 2020, 07:22:19 PM
There is a lot on the government plate to take car of its citizens and the small business units. Because since from past 4 months units are shut and do not have any income to play to laborer’s. This is creating a big issue and now government need to provide some relief to all such sectors and units who are facing financial crunch.
But, even the government is being run by the taxes provided by their citizen and now that the income is low means the taxes would be low as well and that means it is not just the common man but the government is also affected by the pandemic and that is the basic reason of the economic crisis that we so often talk about now days.

I think the private sector will be dead or slow for a long time and unless there are schemes that support small businesses and startups there will be absolutely no movement in the private sector. The government need to come up with some creative taxation relief system or something that encourages small startups.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Police Indo on July 28, 2020, 10:39:25 AM
I just hope that my business does not die, hopefully only sleep so that one day I can wake up in fresh condition again. the business I built is tourism based, so how can we possibly benefit from the tourism business? with the closure of tourism, strict safeguards, and a reduction in the number of visitors it makes us think hard. Is it necessary to create a cryptocurrency that supports tourism?


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Silberman on July 28, 2020, 06:16:27 PM
According to my observations, my friends have started to sell what can be sold one by one like cars & motorcycles to make a living. This indicates that savings have been used up to support daily expenses and the final choice. Those who have debt repayments with interest will be more severe with this condition.

For the business of exporting shellfish shells and live, fresh and frozen seafood to China has begun to stabilize again even though prices have declined. But if the pandemic ends longer there is a concern that purchasing power will weaken and in the end, it will be difficult to reverse the economic curve after the pandemic ends.
I am seeing the same especially those that had a lot of debts and responsibilities are the most affected, I have always lived frugally so I do not have any upstanding debt but my friends are different and they are having a lot of problems to pay their bills as everything has gone up in price and now job security seems to be a thing of the past at least during this pandemic, it seems researchers are close to find a vaccine and this could really help the world to recover but if something else happens it could put many families on the brink of collapse.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: angrybirdy on July 29, 2020, 10:16:29 AM
I just hope that my business does not die, hopefully only sleep so that one day I can wake up in fresh condition again. the business I built is tourism based, so how can we possibly benefit from the tourism business? with the closure of tourism, strict safeguards, and a reduction in the number of visitors it makes us think hard. Is it necessary to create a cryptocurrency that supports tourism?
We all know that tourism is one of the most affected business right now, the answer is simple, you cannot possibly benefit from your tourism business as of now. But as long as you manage to survive until this pandemic ends, your business will also survive. Tourism is always there, always in demand as long as the tourists would like to accept your service.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: pokeronlinestatus on July 29, 2020, 10:56:55 AM
There is a reason why pandemic is said to bring economic crises. It has been studied and observed from the time of world war. The implementation of lockdown throughout the whole country resulted in tremendous losses special for private firms and businesses as the whole work had to halt. Many people lost their jobs or has a decrement in their monthly pay because of covid-19.

The inflation rate of the countries is increasing. Many things are becoming costly and that’s normal in economic crisis. Still the rock bottom hasn’t been reached. The economy has started picking up slowly as people are getting tired of the virus and are starting to live their lives normally.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: TitanGEL on July 29, 2020, 11:30:07 AM
I just hope that my business does not die, hopefully only sleep so that one day I can wake up in fresh condition again. the business I built is tourism based, so how can we possibly benefit from the tourism business? with the closure of tourism, strict safeguards, and a reduction in the number of visitors it makes us think hard. Is it necessary to create a cryptocurrency that supports tourism?
We all know that tourism is one of the most affected business right now, the answer is simple, you cannot possibly benefit from your tourism business as of now. But as long as you manage to survive until this pandemic ends, your business will also survive. Tourism is always there, always in demand as long as the tourists would like to accept your service.
Tourism industry is one of the main industries that are been affected because of the pandemic, many countries all over the world are still close in order to lessen and prevent the virus to spread. Actually, tourism is contributing 12% and more to our country's economy and right now it doesn't reach 1% because of the pandemic. A lot of people lost their jobs and many people are suffering not only in my country because all of countries are affected.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Nhor1011 on July 29, 2020, 02:15:57 PM
Businesses and other private sector collapsed because of the pandemic. The two months lockdown has a huge impact for the economy which everyone and every economic sector was affected too much. It brings a higher number of unemployment and shut down some business establishment.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Alobo Realer on July 29, 2020, 05:07:48 PM
There is never a stable business. One who wants to invest thinking will always gain is like racing with cheaters hoping to win. All you said are true not only in your country but somewhere else, but the good thing here is that it isn't like that all through the year.
There's always this favourable time in business


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: pokeronlinestatus on July 29, 2020, 05:19:32 PM
I think people already know what they should do in times like this since we are facing a new normal and people should start adapting. The worst is coming since the pandemic is not yet done without the present of a curable vaccine there's no stopping and getting back to what we used to be before.

The government should be ready to something like this in the future to avoid another recession of the economy if the pandemic would prolong just what happened to us right now.
You used the term "new normal" but if that is true then times are really going to be disastrous in coming time because there is no vaccine approved and the cases won't decrease despite lockdowns and shutdowns in so many countries.

No government or organization can be ready for such pandemics and they are being called pandemic for the same reason actually because it spreads in the whole world and there is no defined vaccine.

I think the new normal would take sometime for everyone to get used to, but that is the only option, sanitize/mask yourself and you have to move to work because sitting at home watching bad news would only bring negative energy.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: deisik on July 29, 2020, 05:52:37 PM
On the other hand, mainly people who are complicated by other serious diseases die from the coronavirus. In my opinion, the danger of a coronavirus pandemic is too exaggerated

If you are a social Darwinist (a kind of), you would be right. But you would be right even in respect to small pox and plague that killed people in millions but they still didn't threaten the survival of human race. It could be argued that any disease kills only the weak and the old making the society more resilient to this infection in the future ("the survival of the fittest"). According to Nassem Taleb, this is the exact mechanism which makes humanity antifragile

Disclaimer: I do not necessarily share or endorse such views


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: smyslov on July 29, 2020, 06:01:51 PM
Business  / private sector is dead

As a freelancer in 2 months i got 4 clients only ... in my area 4 clients it's like your biz is dead... no matter how much you try to do marketing/advertising it just does not work ...
I look at other peoples businesses same situation ...

High Tech,Web Development,Web design ,Mobile Development ,Marketing,Blockchain development,Dapps,Web Hosting is dead from what i see


I got friends taxi drivers same situation they are just sitting in the taxi and some day zero clients ,barber shops the same they are sitting around all day smoking ... anything that seems a "luxury good" people don't touch this days.

The only thing people are buying is basic necessities ... oh also food and cigarette prices went up again ...

It's a f nightmare ...those that have billions of USD under the mattress better start investing soon ,or that money will be good only as toilet paper ...

Economy i love it ...

Online and offline the scenario is not good because of the pandemic, but this will not take long we only have to suffer for little more time, WHO is monitoring the vaccines and pharmaceutical industries are on the right track it's only a matter of time we will have a vaccine before the end of the year and everything will be ok again and we will be back to normal.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: fullhdpixel on July 31, 2020, 02:14:36 PM
Everyone hopes their business doesn't die, and there are situations where some business' die and some do not, but in reality this new pandemic stuff was so harsh that every single business could have died, which is a big problem, we are talking about a global pandemic that stopped the whole world, it doesn't matter if your job was office job that workers could stay at home and work, or if it was hands on construction type job or if it was a restaurant, it could be any type of job and it would be hit, some hit hard, some hit not so hard but all of that was affected.

It wasn't like 2008 where people said "food sector always survives because people need to eat", hell on this one even that was hit. So, I would say focus on surviving and not profiting, even if you are losing, just try to eat that loss and continue because in the end if you can survive this period, you will survive.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: wxxyrqa on July 31, 2020, 04:33:56 PM
I believe that the government is making a very big mistake, not allowing small businesses to work in the face of the decline. I believe that different ways can be found to limit the spread of the virus, while enabling businessmen to open cafes, restaurants, museums and other sectors of the public service. In this case, it is imperative to follow the rules of personal hygiene, quantity and distance between people. in this situation, a lot must be taken into account, because every businessman rents equipment or real estate, and in this situation there is no profit and no one pays the bills. therefore, if the situation is not corrected, then any business will die, and every businessman falls into a hole in debt.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: uneng on July 31, 2020, 08:08:23 PM
I believe that the government is making a very big mistake, not allowing small businesses to work in the face of the decline.
Yes, because it becomes a domino effect. If one person is unable to earn his income he won't have how to spend it, then the next person's income is also compromised as there won't be any customers and then we have the scenario described by OP.
Economy is life. Governments can't forbid people from working justifying health reasons. Without economy besides not having money, people's health will also be in trouble! Governments are thinking too little on short run only.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Silberman on August 04, 2020, 06:39:13 PM
There is never a stable business. One who wants to invest thinking will always gain is like racing with cheaters hoping to win. All you said are true not only in your country but somewhere else, but the good thing here is that it isn't like that all through the year.
There's always this favourable time in business
Staring a business is by definition a risk, you are risking your money and your time thinking that whatever you are starting is going to produce enough money not only to offset your expenses but also to give you profits, but the issue is that everything has changed, business models that were profitable before the pandemic now are facing uncertainty and if this lasts long enough the owners will have to close down and all for something that was impossible to predict becoming victims of the circumstances.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: perfect999 on August 05, 2020, 05:03:46 PM
Lol don’t even software engineers, those are the people that are seriously cashing out at this time, even marketing experts.
These are the people that are not really affected in the cases of people losing their jobs. Even right now there are lots of companies that are hiring software engineers.

When the pandemic started I checked for remote jobs and majority of them are all on software engineering, things like web development, design, app developing, and all other software engineering jobs, and marketing/advertising. Don’t compare them with taxi drivers, they are completely different. And moreover transportation companies were hit the most at this time.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: reliable on August 05, 2020, 06:20:25 PM
I believe that the government is making a very big mistake, not allowing small businesses to work in the face of the decline. I believe that different ways can be found to limit the spread of the virus, while enabling businessmen to open cafes, restaurants, museums and other sectors of the public service. In this case, it is imperative to follow the rules of personal hygiene, quantity and distance between people. in this situation, a lot must be taken into account, because every businessman rents equipment or real estate, and in this situation there is no profit and no one pays the bills. therefore, if the situation is not corrected, then any business will die, and every businessman falls into a hole in debt.


It’s a very different situation now, though it will depend upon each country how needs to be open or shut etc depending upon the situation city/county the call would be taken. People have started to save, avoiding any extra stuff or wants which can be postponed have started to come into picture. This gives a really worries as demand will fall drastically for many things other than needy stuff.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: TIDOVEE on August 05, 2020, 06:42:21 PM
It seem so everywhere and we know what's responsible for that, the pandemic you know! Since importation was stopped and international movement of both goods and services the little item every country has it what they made do with. Things become more costly and the government could not even help subsidize,even those things we produce within my country went higher in price. We know it is coming to an end and we are recovering. 


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: verita1 on August 05, 2020, 07:54:21 PM
Sadly, these sectors have not opened their doors like the food and medicine businesses. At this time we are more educated how to face the Coronavirus, the problem lies in raising awareness because while you take care of yourself there are other people who do not, and therein lies the problem and the incidence of new cases of Covid19.

What causes closure of companies and unemployment, so earning an income is uphill.

We must not lose hope, Freelancers have online opportunities, you just have to be patient and be competitive.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: ene1980 on August 05, 2020, 09:50:08 PM
Online and offline the scenario is not good because of the pandemic, but this will not take long we only have to suffer for little more time, WHO is monitoring the vaccines and pharmaceutical industries are on the right track it's only a matter of time we will have a vaccine before the end of the year and everything will be ok again and we will be back to normal.
If you are trusting what the WHO is telling then you need to wait for a very long time to see everything going back to normal, i never took the virus seriously in the beginning because in my mind i was following WHO who was telling everyone that it is not a big deal and it will not spread and they usually changed their words every week. Online companies are making money during this pandemic while physical stores are suffering.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Oilacris on August 05, 2020, 10:11:49 PM
Lol don’t even software engineers, those are the people that are seriously cashing out at this time, even marketing experts.
These are the people that are not really affected in the cases of people losing their jobs. Even right now there are lots of companies that are hiring software engineers.

When the pandemic started I checked for remote jobs and majority of them are all on software engineering, things like web development, design, app developing, and all other software engineering jobs, and marketing/advertising. Don’t compare them with taxi drivers, they are completely different. And moreover transportation companies were hit the most at this time.
People now are on remote basis due to quarantine because of this pandemic situation then its understandable that programmers/developer, designers,online marketers would really have much more demand
yet companies will surely switch up on online basis for the mean time.

There are business sectors which is heavily affected which would result into no demand of specific workers but for people who had skills in web development and other related skills are still
on demand.

I dont know why op had just concluded out that it is already dead just because he do saw that someone didnt seek a particular worker?


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Silberman on August 11, 2020, 05:24:18 PM
Lol don’t even software engineers, those are the people that are seriously cashing out at this time, even marketing experts.
These are the people that are not really affected in the cases of people losing their jobs. Even right now there are lots of companies that are hiring software engineers.

When the pandemic started I checked for remote jobs and majority of them are all on software engineering, things like web development, design, app developing, and all other software engineering jobs, and marketing/advertising. Don’t compare them with taxi drivers, they are completely different. And moreover transportation companies were hit the most at this time.
Well it is kind of obvious that people like that are not going to be that affected by the current pandemic, they can do their job from their own home practically with no issues and in order to become a software engineer you need to go to college and you need to be really good because I know several software engineers that do not really make a lot of money because they do not know how to code, but if you can code then the sky's the limit when it comes to what you can make out of it.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: yohananaomi on August 12, 2020, 11:20:43 AM
It seem so everywhere and we know what's responsible for that, the pandemic you know! Since importation was stopped and international movement of both goods and services the little item every country has it what they made do with. Things become more costly and the government could not even help subsidize,even those things we produce within my country went higher in price. We know it is coming to an end and we are recovering. 
actually a pandemic is an indirect cause, all because the country is ignorant of the pandemic outbreak, not anticipating immediately after China locks down.
they just think that the corona pandemic is just a pandemic like ordinary influenza. when it spreads and is dangerous then everyone starts to panic. anticipate by dismissing everything that causes large crowds (factories / malls / companies).

ultimately resulting in scarcity of raw materials for production because all factories were stalled, this clearly resulted in scarcity of goods everywhere, and many were looking for opportunities to hoard and sell at high prices. this continues to drive prices out of control and costs many people who end up spending large sums of money.

for countries that can solve pandemics well instead of stopping the pandemic, they can immediately work and activate many sectors so that the economy can run and people can get what they need at a reasonable price.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: semobo on August 12, 2020, 07:52:40 PM
Not every business is dead but most of them are struggling at the moment, about freelancers then it is also hard time as well depends on their skills if they are related to cryptos or investment sector then they still get more opportunities since people are looking for ways to invest their money due to the pandemic because they lost their hope of the fiat.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Savemore on August 13, 2020, 08:45:09 AM
Online and offline the scenario is not good because of the pandemic, but this will not take long we only have to suffer for little more time, WHO is monitoring the vaccines and pharmaceutical industries are on the right track it's only a matter of time we will have a vaccine before the end of the year and everything will be ok again and we will be back to normal.
If you are trusting what the WHO is telling then you need to wait for a very long time to see everything going back to normal, i never took the virus seriously in the beginning because in my mind i was following WHO who was telling everyone that it is not a big deal and it will not spread and they usually changed their words every week. Online companies are making money during this pandemic while physical stores are suffering.
The WHO made a wrong move because they do not treat the virus seriously at the beginning, lookout the HongKong where they did not follow the advice of the WHO where they immediately created a plan in order for them to not have crisis. Their country is currently covid free where all of their citizens are living just like before and their economy did not experienced any kind of crisis and recession. In my country, thousands of business are now closed because of the pandemic where millions of people lose their job.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Sapphire915 on August 14, 2020, 07:03:32 AM
Well, we are all affected with this Pandemic since the lockdown was implemented. A lot of businesses now are still closed and some already declared bankruptcy. Its really hard to look around us and things aren't the same anymore as we can see. Some sectors and industries that are not really essential to us are not yet allowed to operate and seem dead as you have said and we don't really know when this covid-19 pandemic be over so we can be able to revive the businesses that we once had. Its really sad that people around the world are struggling to find some alternative ways of potential earning while the businesses and jobs are put on hold. But, maybe when the vaccine will be released soon...we will all rise up again together with the industries that we belong with. Let's just keep our finger's crossed.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: naikturun on August 14, 2020, 06:51:14 PM
All state finances are of course weakened due to this pandemic, so I don't think you are the only one who complains about the current condition, many people even have permanent jobs and are forced to be fired due to circumstances that are not possible.
The problem of the rich, you don't have to worry, they already know what to do when the economy is weak, it's just that the poor and middle-class are the ones who feel the biggest impact


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Silberman on August 20, 2020, 06:32:08 PM
Not every business is dead but most of them are struggling at the moment, about freelancers then it is also hard time as well depends on their skills if they are related to cryptos or investment sector then they still get more opportunities since people are looking for ways to invest their money due to the pandemic because they lost their hope of the fiat.
This was to be expected, the crisis that we face is global in nature so it doesn't matter what you do you are going to be affected by it, however as we know some sectors of the economy have been affected massively by the pandemic, one of them is transportation, especially airlines as no one really wants to travel in an airplane with hundreds of people in a closed space because those are the perfect conditions in which a single person that has the virus could infect hundreds of them and not know it.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Argoo on August 20, 2020, 08:16:52 PM
From the outside, it really seems that the governments of various states have conspired with each other and, under the pretext of fighting the coronavirus, want to destroy small and medium-sized businesses. The measures are so harsh that sometimes it seems that they are deliberately destroying their economy. However, the business will begin to grow stronger and develop as soon as the right conditions arise. Of course, some part of business structures will inevitably disappear, some will be rebuilt, and some more will just start working. In general, the business cannot be stopped; after the reduction, it will immediately start developing.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: tabas on August 20, 2020, 11:01:01 PM
From the outside, it really seems that the governments of various states have conspired with each other and, under the pretext of fighting the coronavirus, want to destroy small and medium-sized businesses. The measures are so harsh that sometimes it seems that they are deliberately destroying their economy. However, the business will begin to grow stronger and develop as soon as the right conditions arise. Of course, some parts of business structures will inevitably disappear, some will be rebuilt, and some more will just start working. In general, the business cannot be stopped; after the reduction, it will immediately start developing.
I don't think that they are desiring to destroy the SMEs. That's part of the protocol because of the pandemic and likewise, we're on the way to see the recovery of the economy from each country.
The developments are being seen and the resiliency of the economy is getting stronger. Soon, we'll able to determine that every business in the sector have survived but felt bad for those who have closed.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: LogitechMouse on August 21, 2020, 12:45:49 AM
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If you will see, the government not only in our country but most of the countries are balancing the number of infections and the economy which is very hard to do. There are times that countries imposed lockdowns but the economy is heavily affected and when they eased up the lockdowns, economy will start to recover again but on the other side the number of infections will surely increase.

Business sector will recover for sure but I'm not expecting this year. Probably next year is the start of their recovery and unfortunately for some MSME's because they will be closed permanently. A cure will help the economy for sure but until now there isn't any cure for it. Like I said, balancing between the economy and the number of infections is hard.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: naikturun on August 21, 2020, 12:11:48 PM
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If you will see, the government not only in our country but most of the countries are balancing the number of infections and the economy which is very hard to do. There are times that countries imposed lockdowns but the economy is heavily affected and when they eased up the lockdowns, economy will start to recover again but on the other side the number of infections will surely increase.

Business sector will recover for sure but I'm not expecting this year. Probably next year is the start of their recovery and unfortunately for some MSME's because they will be closed permanently. A cure will help the economy for sure but until now there isn't any cure for it. Like I said, balancing between the economy and the number of infections is hard.


not to mention regulating citizens in every country, we talk about the nature of all people in this world, some are easy to organize and listen to warnings in a country so that infection and prevention of new people will be easier in one country, of course it will be different from other countries, especially developing countries , where the majority of its citizens are unruly, and have a difficult economy which makes them have to keep working in the midst of this pandemic so that transmission will be difficult to suppress and make this pandemic will last a long time.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: raidarksword on August 21, 2020, 03:51:30 PM
This pandemic brought the economy down whatever industry, all were affected that made a tool of sufferings towards the business drought that resulted to shutdowns and bankruptcy. It's alarming that many lost their jobs that's why people are striving hard to survive by the time vaccine will be available soon, maybe end of the year we will get back to normal and recover the economy as well as for all industry. Our economy will come back strong and bringing healthy economy once again.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: wiss19 on August 23, 2020, 06:44:57 AM
Apart from the taxi driving work, the other jobs you have mentioned are the jobs that were even flourishing at the time of this Coronavirus. Had three of my friends that were working at the same company, one works as a customer care rep, the other was software engineer, and the other one was kind of a secretary. The three of them stopped work going to work due to the outbreak, but the first two were asked to continue their work from home, because those jobs are the type of jobs that can be done remotely.

Imagine someone who is working as a cleaner, lol, how are they going to clean the office from home? They can’t. Same thing with taxi drivers that you have mentioned, transportation was closed completely due to the pandemic.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Silberman on August 25, 2020, 06:10:27 PM
From the outside, it really seems that the governments of various states have conspired with each other and, under the pretext of fighting the coronavirus, want to destroy small and medium-sized businesses. The measures are so harsh that sometimes it seems that they are deliberately destroying their economy. However, the business will begin to grow stronger and develop as soon as the right conditions arise. Of course, some part of business structures will inevitably disappear, some will be rebuilt, and some more will just start working. In general, the business cannot be stopped; after the reduction, it will immediately start developing.
There is no doubt in my mind that there is a deliberate effort from the governments to make a wealth transfer from the middle class to those that are incredibly rich, it was very obvious that this was the case when most small businesses were ordered to close down their doors while the big businesses were allowed to continue their operations, what I do not understand completely is what it is the endgame? They made that wealth transfer but what are they trying to accomplish on the long term? That is what I do not know.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: glowing10 on August 26, 2020, 02:33:15 PM
I am seeing how small shops are shutting in my country or they are clearing their stuff and selling the shop as they cannot run or close it for so many months. Also the businesses have impacted as people do not have much money to pay the salary to their workers, or pay other overhead costs and this means that coming time will be very difficult for such people in all parts of the world to sustain.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: spy100 on August 26, 2020, 02:46:01 PM
I am seeing how small shops are shutting in my country or they are clearing their stuff and selling the shop as they cannot run or close it for so many months. Also the businesses have impacted as people do not have much money to pay the salary to their workers, or pay other overhead costs and this means that coming time will be very difficult for such people in all parts of the world to sustain.

doing advertising on all possible online channels,lowered prices to minimum as possible no effect  ... very small revenue this month for what i do ...also companies are not hiring ...or if they hire developers they hire local ones,same situation for my competition as i am monitoring. Only those that work for governments are doing well for now .


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: iyamoxjhian on August 30, 2020, 08:45:39 AM
yes! pandemic of Covid 19 indeed affects the private sectors and businesses everywhere especially in the third world country... Many people were affected by recessions and having hard time to cope up with their situation.. especially nowadays, it was really hard to provode your daily needs if you dont have a work and source of income..Good thing that there were people who use the technology in selling their products.. .But it quite sad that many private companies and businesses are shuting down.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: DevilSlayer on August 30, 2020, 09:35:31 AM
I am seeing how small shops are shutting in my country or they are clearing their stuff and selling the shop as they cannot run or close it for so many months. Also the businesses have impacted as people do not have much money to pay the salary to their workers, or pay other overhead costs and this means that coming time will be very difficult for such people in all parts of the world to sustain.
It is like a domino effect where all of the types of the people become affected because of the pandemic, the majority of the people are now worrying on how they will afford their necessities but there are some people who gain more opportunities than before because of this pandemic. It is sad that millions of people around the world have no jobs because of the effect of the pandemic. The good thing is many pharmaceutical companies all over the world are now in the 3 phase of the vaccine where in it is now distributing and trying in a lot of people. The private sector that been affected because of the pandemic can recover again but it will take time because a lot of economies are been collapsed and there are really some businesses that are been permanently close because of their debt and expenses that they cannot pay anymore.


Title: Re: kinh doanh/tư nhân khu vực đã chết
Post by: wanted sliter on August 31, 2020, 09:06:11 AM
Private businesses may die because retail groups have now crept into rural areas and they compete with small traders in markets. Even when a pandemic hits, they survive and sell their products because their goods are consumer goods, and people need them. During this pandemic, their profits have increased non-stop.
Professions such as taxis, buses, trucks, fast food sales, cafes, and on-site catering services are prohibited because of their activities. Travel service was delayed and hindered. For most people, a pandemic is terrible. Most of them spend money, not have any additional income.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: ArIMy11 on August 31, 2020, 10:03:51 AM
Business  / private sector is dead

As a freelancer in 2 months i got 4 clients only ... in my area 4 clients it's like your biz is dead... no matter how much you try to do marketing/advertising it just does not work ...
I look at other peoples businesses same situation ...

High Tech,Web Development,Web design ,Mobile Development ,Marketing,Blockchain development,Dapps,Web Hosting is dead from what i see

I got friends taxi drivers same situation they are just sitting in the taxi and some day zero clients ,barber shops the same they are sitting around all day smoking ... anything that seems a "luxury good" people don't touch this days.

The only thing people are buying is basic necessities ... oh also food and cigarette prices went up again ...

I am working in a private and I know that I am lucky and blessed as well because our company stand still. Our clients are from Japan and Japan's operation did not stop even though they have active cases. Due to that we have an active client. Yes we have lower salary conpare to normal days but it if really fine. My friends in other companies lose their job because their company decided to stop operation due to bankrupt.

Taxi drivers? Not only taxi drivers but also Jeepney and bus drivers in our country is really affected. Enhanced Community Quarantine took a very long time and public vehicles are not allowed so they have no job, no food to eat because of no money, and they end up begging in the streets. If they will not suffer from the virus, they will suffer from hunger as well as their family.

As this pandemic continues, some people learn to barter. In our area one of the most common thing to barter are plants. Plants can be exchange to any goods or electronic gadgets needed on online class. It is very helpful isn't it ?

Another, some jobless people turn to online selling. I think 1/4 of my facebook friends are now selling goods online like clothes, electronic gadgets, bicycles, beauty products, cakes, etc.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: Xembin on August 31, 2020, 11:04:23 AM
I think is  not all businesses  that is dead in some countries. There are some business that is moving well despite the covid-19 lockdown in some country in the world.
more investors, are improving with their strategy to keep their businesses,and profit stable all the time.


Title: Re: Business / private sector is dead
Post by: sabbir2world on August 31, 2020, 02:03:34 PM
We're all going through tough times. I hope the corona impact doesn't stay forever! Let's keep up the spirit high and fight till the end.