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Title: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: GazetaBitcoin on August 04, 2020, 07:38:54 PM
Prior saying that someone made a death threat, I'd like to ask the community if such an allegation can be considered a death threat: "I will piss on you and burn you".

Take into consideration that the above sentence was said by someone which already made other death threats inside the forum, being also banned 6 months for the previous death threats (he evaded his ban but that's another story).

So, given this context, what is your opinion? Is this a death threat? "I will piss on you and burn you".

I am unsure how to proceed.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: AB de Royse777 on August 04, 2020, 07:43:48 PM
So, given this context, what is your opinion? Is this a death threat? "I will piss on you...".
Not sure but for sure it's dirty. Not sexy too.

On a serious note: Say this is a death threat. What worse can happen to you unless your identity is public and the guy has some real balls. This is an anonymous place and nothing is there to harm you physically. I do not guarantee mental healthy though.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: Upgrade00 on August 04, 2020, 07:56:12 PM
So, given this context, what is your opinion? Is this a death threat? "I will piss on you and burn you".
You actually didn't give the context (like whether it was posted in another language and meaning was lost in translation), but taking the words literally; it is a threat to inflict harm and breaks the forum rules.

This is an anonymous place and nothing is there to harm you physically. I do not guarantee mental healthy though.
It may be anonymous, but certain language and posting habits are prohibited, including;
"8. No threats to inflict bodily harm, death threats"
Even if the possibility of actual harm is excluded, it doesn't encourage discussions if anyone is allowed to use any choice of words. Some sort of order has to be established.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: hilariousandco on August 04, 2020, 07:58:19 PM
It's a threat for sure, but maybe not a death thread. Maybe he wanted to harness the power of the sun with a magnifying glass and burn you that way?  :D Seriously though, just report it especially if he's been banned for this sort of stuff before.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: DdmrDdmr on August 04, 2020, 07:58:50 PM
Actually, it does not have to be a death threat. According to the rules:

<…> 8. No threats to inflict bodily harm, death threats. <…>

The text you reference in the OP certainly falls under the former category (bodily harm), so the answer would be a yes technically, although the full context may be required to determine the scope and seriousness of the threat.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: AB de Royse777 on August 04, 2020, 08:00:29 PM
It may be but certain language and posting habits are prohibited, including;
"8. No threats to inflict bodily harm, death threats"
Even if the possibility of actual harm is excluded, it doesn't encourage discussions if anyone is allowed to use any choice of words and some sort of order has to be established.
I was more sarcastic and expressed the way I would not bother about it too much. To be honest, there are information missing. It would be good to know the whole story instead of just a line that was picked.

Maybe he wanted to harness the power of the sun with a magnifying glass and burn you that way?  :D
I wonder if piss are flammable :-P
But it's a good drink if you drink it fresh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81FLsMZB2Fw  :-D


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: mindrust on August 04, 2020, 08:07:20 PM
Threatening with violence. Not cool. Report his ass.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: JeromeTash on August 04, 2020, 08:19:10 PM
Report him, make sure you also include the other details where he has previously been banned for the same reasons. This time it could be a permanent ban for him because it looks like the previous temp ban didn't teach him any lesson.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on August 04, 2020, 08:32:36 PM
No, I wouldn't consider that a death threat at all, regardless of the member's previous history of alleged death threats.  It sounds like it could just be that the meaning of "burn you" got lost in the translation--I seriously doubt this is a threat to literally kill you by setting you on fire.  In the US if you tell someone you're going to burn them, you're basically telling them that you're going to beat them in whatever activity is taking place.

I haven't seen many true death threats being made on bitcointalk, and most of the ones that were questionable have been because English isn't the member's first language, and a simple expression of anger can come off sounding like an actual threat.  That's my take on this, anyway.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: GazetaBitcoin on August 04, 2020, 08:34:24 PM
Thank you all for sharing your opinions. The whole story is the following: andulolika is trying another scam (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5231508.msg54928059#msg54928059) and I exposed it. He got very pissed off and started swearing (in Romanian) in all possible and impossible ways. After seeing that I really am confronting him he realized that his new trick won't fool anyone else due to my intervention he ended up with this threat, which can be found in his last post of this topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266095.0).

The topic is Romanian, but it's easy to figure out what's going on there, as I kept writing in English as well, thinking that at some point someone else can be interested in avoiding andulolika's new scam.

You actually didn't give the context (like whether it was posted in another language and meaning was lost in translation)

Yes, it was posted in another language, but it was not lost in translation as I am a Romanian native and a very good English speaker :)

Everybody feel free to explore both links I mentioned. In first one I explained in detail (in English) why andulolika is actually trying to scam people, while the second link is the one of his topic, where you will also understand >90% of the discussion.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: suchmoon on August 04, 2020, 08:35:36 PM
No, I wouldn't consider that a death threat at all, regardless of the member's previous history of alleged death threats.  It sounds like it could just be that the meaning of "burn you" got lost in the translation--I seriously doubt this is a threat to literally kill you by setting you on fire.  In the US if you tell someone you're going to burn them, you're basically telling them that you're going to beat them in whatever activity is taking place.

I haven't seen many true death threats being made on bitcointalk, and most of the ones that were questionable have been because English isn't the member's first language, and a simple expression of anger can come off sounding like an actual threat.  That's my take on this, anyway.

Could be a mangled insult like "I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" but knowing the person in question I have no doubt that the shithead meant actual tangible harm, just used a vague enough expression to avoid a ban.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: Vod on August 04, 2020, 08:37:46 PM
No, I wouldn't consider that a death threat at all, regardless of the member's previous history of alleged death threats.  It sounds like it could just be that the meaning of "burn you" got lost in the translation.

I would agree with this.

Maybe he was saying he has an STD, but that would burn him, not you.     "Burn" could also mean ruin your reputation - which is legal.  


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: GazetaBitcoin on August 04, 2020, 08:48:48 PM
Lol no, that's not the case. Maybe he has STD, but that's not what he meant. I made the correct translation.

I reported him. Let's see what happens.

Besides, in my last two replies inside his topic you can see also his previous death threats.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: electronicash on August 04, 2020, 08:50:38 PM
Thank you all for sharing your opinions. The whole story is the following: andulolika is trying another scam (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5231508.msg54928059#msg54928059) and I exposed it. He got very pissed off and started swearing (in Romanian) in all possible and impossible ways. After seeing that I really am confronting him he realized that his new trick won't fool anyone else due to my intervention he ended up with this threat, which can be found in his last post of this topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266095.0).

The topic is Romanian, but it's easy to figure out what's going on there, as I kept writing in English as well, thinking that at some point someone else can be interested in avoiding andulolika's new scam.

You actually didn't give the context (like whether it was posted in another language and meaning was lost in translation)

Yes, it was posted in another language, but it was not lost in translation as I am a Romanian native and a very good English speaker :)

Everybody feel free to explore both links I mentioned. In first one I explained in detail (in English) why andulolika is actually trying to scam people, while the second link is the one of his topic, where you will also understand >90% of the discussion.

you hi-jack his thread offering translation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266095.0), of course he will be offended that he sees offer a golden shower an option.

this is just online words, don't take it seriously. unless you two both knew each other. even if you consider it a threat i don't think its something to worry unless you have posted your details including the address of your residence.



Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: GazetaBitcoin on August 04, 2020, 09:11:43 PM
you hi-jack his thread offering translation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266095.0), of course he will be offended that he sees offer a golden shower an option.

If you would have read the other link I provided, you have understood that I had no intention to hijack his scam attempt. I understood that he asks for translations. Anyway, here is what I wrote in the other post, which clearly explains that I did not have any intention to hijack him and you can also understand why his post is a scam:

For kind DT members willing to give some appropriate negative tags, be aware that andulolika striked again with a new scam attempt. He started a topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266095.0) in the Romanian board, offering translation services. The problem is the following: andulolika is even more illiterate than hacker is (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5239288.msg54656498#msg54656498), although it seems hard to believe. Actually, he is so illiterate, that from his topic anyone could understand that he needs translation services instead of offering them. As I did. So I told him that if he needs translations I can help him, showing him also my portfolio.

At this moment, the guy went full retard and started swearing very bad at me, with words which can be hardly translated, also full or spelling mistakes (if needed, I can try translate them, including also the spelling mistakes). He sweared about God, about my mother, about an owl (not owlcatz lol), about me sucking his sweat (!!!), about how bad his Romanian is and many other things. But that's the smallest problem.

The real problem is that andulolika is such an illiterate person, that he's unable to write his name correctly. Speaking (and writing) so bad in Romanian makes it clear that he's unable to perform a good translation, since he doesn't even know his very own language. His English is the same and I suppose that his Spanish is also the Spanish or an undergraduated, peanuts brain underclassman.

Actually, his English is so bad, that suchmoon once thought he is drunk:

Are you still drunk? Your post is barely comprehensible.

He wasn't drunk, but the man can't spell correctly "a-ha". Ok, now imagine that his Romanian is even worst (not joking). If you access the above mentioned topic, even without knowing Romanian, you'll see how illiterate he is, as I was inspired to correct all his mistakes. If I wouldn't know the real scam, I'd be tempted to believe he's joking. Like the guy doing odd jobs (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202814.0) or the one answering any question for 99€ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208910.0).

However, andulolika is trying to scam people here, as he is unable to perform such a translation. Not talking about hus English / Spanish skills: the man doesn't even know Romanian. And I'm not talking about writing with diacritics (ă, â, î, ț  ş, Ş, Ț, Î), nor about underatandable typos. He is not even able to write simple words (similar to writing in English with "i" instead of "I" or "im" instead of "I'm"). As a matter of fact, he wrote in that topic that he is aware of his baboon Romanian skills and that he will collaborate with someone for correcting what he will write in Romanian, in case anyone would hire him. Practically, he says that someone will translate from Romanian to Romanian for him, as he barely knows his native language. And of course, that guy may be another illiterate, as there is a saying: the ones alike get together (this is a Romanian saying; in English I think it is "what goes around comes around").

As a consequence, anyone hiring him would pay not for a service, but for a chance to emabarass himself, as those reading the translations could be tempted to think the idiocies (by the way, he wrote "idiocracy" instead of "idiocy") written in the translation belong to the OP instead of the translator. And, excepting this, who would pay for such a translation would get scammed, as andulolika is unable to offer a translation as long as when he signs for his name he writes a "X". He was unable to write correctly even his topic title: he wrote "traductor" instead of "traducator", as he would have written "tranlator" instead of "translator".

Given all the above, I believe he needs additional negative feedbacks from DT members, as he is trying to lure naïve members and steal their money for services he can not offer. Of course (term which he writes as "ofcourse"), nobody should hire someone who didn't pay a loan in 3 years, as this is a good sign that the respective person may not respect the contract deadlines. Also, nobody should hire a ban evader, a member which makes death threats and, generally speaking, an imbecile. Is like hiring a blind man for a guide tour or someone without a driver license for being a taxi driver. But all these can be enforced also with appropriate feedbacks from DT members. Anyone hiring andulolika is at great risk of losing money as he can't offer translation services due to his low intellect and lack of knowledge of his native language and also of the mentioned foreign languages.

Please let me know what you think.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: pugman on August 04, 2020, 09:39:10 PM
I don't know if this should be considered as a serious death threat, it seems more like shit talking because of dislike towards the other person. So don't take it too seriously, unless he goes on ahead and tells you "I am gonna kill you" or something that actually implies a serious death threat. This given very little context, feels more like a person being butthurt and saying : "why u posting in my thread, oh no guy with trust rating gonna give me neg trust, i am gonna swear goats at u fuck u fuck ur mom fuck dick u big gay".

And if you don't like interacting with this user, ignore and move on. Some trolls aren't worth the sweat.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: Rizzrack on August 04, 2020, 10:13:03 PM
It certainly is not polite, but not a death threat. Don't want to take sides but this is a seldom used curse phrase in Romanian. At least in my neck of the woods as I heard few people use it before (once or twice). Swearing in Romanian is hard to translate fully in other languages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_profanity), as is the case of many other languages...

So...

- He opened a thread where he offered translations (it was badly written and was very vague. Most might have understood he needed translation)
- You offered him your translation service which he took as thread hijacking (and legend has it that you are still translating his word to this day)
As for some reason he chooses to speak english English on a romanian Romanian board i'll I'll just say that I make the translation understandable, i I don't either have nor want all that stupid gramatical idiocracy idiocy (n.b. for this context, the correct term is idiocy, but the caveman doesn't know what idiocracy means) as there's someone else to bother with that. Ofcourse Of course, any translation would be written without grammatical mistakes and a corrector will be used on top."
- he got upset and started cursing very bad
- you then called him out for his broken Romanian
- some more swearing, some more translations, some more cursing...
- you then called him out for his broken English
- some more swearing, some more translations, some more cursing...

Conclusion:

1. IMHO not a death threat...
2. WTF are you even arguing about ? There is no scam, just a guy with "less than perfect" writing skills advertising for translation services. Not the first, not the last.
3. Write in Romanian in the Romanian local board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=108.0)!!! If you need you can translate it later. Seems you are both translating stuff anyways so shouldn't be a problem.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: hacker1001101001 on August 05, 2020, 03:33:24 AM
@GazetaBitcoin, You are full of shit !  You hijacked others thread here, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266095.0. Anyone with a couple of brain cells more than you would notice, that you have an habbit of vomiting your wisdom in unexpected places. You are sure to get more such threats easily.

Anyways, this thread is pure trolling of the issues from your side. Did you saw any horror movie yesterday which made you so scared of andulolika ?

I am a Romanian native and a very good English speaker :)

LOL ! You would really be more funny and dump in real life.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: FFrankie on August 05, 2020, 05:19:02 AM
Are we going to pretend no one here has been pissed on and burned by a women in leather?


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: Casdinyard on August 05, 2020, 05:38:42 AM
I don't know if this should be considered as a serious death threat, it seems more like shit talking because of dislike towards the other person. So don't take it too seriously, unless he goes on ahead and tells you "I am gonna kill you" or something that actually implies a serious death threat. This given very little context, feels more like a person being butthurt and saying : "why u posting in my thread, oh no guy with trust rating gonna give me neg trust, i am gonna swear goats at u fuck u fuck ur mom fuck dick u big gay".

And if you don't like interacting with this user, ignore and move on. Some trolls aren't worth the sweat.

Indeed. I guess it is better to leave such argument when you already know it leads to nothing. If the accused user was just pissed off with GazetaBitcoin, I think it's just natural to post his emotions, as we are born with different mental and emotional capabilities with different level of patience. But the argument and issue here is simple (as already answered by Rizzrack,

- He opened a thread where he offered translations (it was badly written and was very vague. Most might have understood he needed translation)
- You offered him your translation service which he took as thread hijacking (and legend has it that you are still translating his word to this day)
As for some reason he chooses to speak english English on a romanian Romanian board i'll I'll just say that I make the translation understandable, i I don't either have nor want all that stupid gramatical idiocracy idiocy (n.b. for this context, the correct term is idiocy, but the caveman doesn't know what idiocracy means) as there's someone else to bother with that. Ofcourse Of course, any translation would be written without grammatical mistakes and a corrector will be used on top."
- he got upset and started cursing very bad
- you then called him out for his broken Romanian
- some more swearing, some more translations, some more cursing...
- you then called him out for his broken English
- some more swearing, some more translations, some more cursing...

Hence, IMO, GazetaBitcoin was just a perfectionist writer, but took things too seriously when he had a feedback from his posts. Thus, even you had your fluency in both languages, that doesn't justify your patience and maturity. Doesn't mean that he said to burn you then you would accuse it as a death threat, not unless he knows where you are nor had any contact with you threatening you in a much fearful way.

You cannot extinguish fire with another fire, even a spark can help it.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: YOSHIE on August 05, 2020, 05:55:00 AM
"I will piss on you and burn you".
The first: the suspect urinating on you ....!
Of course, you will get wet if the suspect urinates near you.

The second: the suspect wants to burn you ...!
Of course, if he brings gasoline oil and fire.

Secondly, these words, do you know the threatening suspect, in the real world?
The answer;
If you know it's real, yes it's a "threat".

However, if you do not know the real suspect, it is legally flawed, 'like there is a threat in a dream', you dream in a dream that there is a threat, if you go to the judge, I'm sure you will be laughed at by the judge.

If the two words were raised on the internet / forum, why don't you reply with the words:
I will drown you before burning and peeing on me. Damn it!

OP, what is the name of the account that says the words of wisdom to you, you say the main account has been banned, so can you give the account name.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: cabalism13 on August 05, 2020, 05:55:34 AM
"I will piss on you and burn you".
Depends on how you get it.
For me it's just an insult (trashtalk or something)
Also for me, I can't consider it as a threat especially if you're working here anonymously just like the others. Users like this won't have a way to identify on whom they're going to burn alive though.

The first: the suspect urinating on you ....!
Of course, you will get wet if the suspect urinates near you.
The second: the suspect wants to burn you ...!
Of course, if he brings gasoline oil and fire.
What if the suspect has too much acid on his urine to burn him enough  ;D


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: NeuroticFish on August 05, 2020, 07:33:19 AM
Is this a death threat?

This is a "light" threat and can be easily interpreted. I find this a very good explanation:

It certainly is not polite, but not a death threat. Don't want to take sides but this is a seldom used curse phrase in Romanian.

The problem is that @andulolika has an older and clearer death threat "i would slit his throat for this if i could (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132407.msg50666246#msg50666246)" and he kinda got away with it (it has "only" some negative trust for it). So while I would not take serious his "death threats", he should watch his tongue because sooner or later this way of talking will cause him trouble. (Of course, I mean anything that can be considered death threat, not the "usual" cursing).


So yeah, reporting is fine, the mods' "job" is to decide.
On the other hand, I also feel like OP makes a bit too much fuzz about this.  ;)


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: Latviand on August 05, 2020, 08:03:32 AM
This is absolutely a threat but not a death threat, once you say something bad on a person and it looks like it is a serious statement that is can possibly be a threat.

There are also threats who can be treated as a joke to someone so be careful on what attitude we are going to perform in the internet. It can really affect someone's mental health so we should be mindful about the things that we are going to say to someone. Threats can cause fear and anxiety.

But we can't settle with that single line only, maybe he is trying to protect himself for someone that's why he threatened that person with that.

We have really no idea on what is really happening on that scenario.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: acroman08 on August 05, 2020, 08:11:20 AM
Is this a death threat?

This is a "light" threat and can be easily interpreted. I find this a very good explanation:

It certainly is not polite, but not a death threat. Don't want to take sides but this is a seldom used curse phrase in Romanian.

The problem is that @andulolika has an older and clearer death threat "i would slit his throat for this if i could (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132407.msg50666246#msg50666246)" and he kinda got away with it (it has "only" some negative trust for it). So while I would not take serious his "death threats", he should watch his tongue because sooner or later this way of talking will cause him trouble. (Of course, I mean anything that can be considered death threat, not the "usual" cursing).


So yeah, reporting is fine, the mods' "job" is to decide.
On the other hand, I also feel like OP makes a bit too much fuzz about this.  ;)

if this is not the first time he made this kind of threat and whether the threat is actually legitimate or not I am surprised he isn't permabanned yet seeing that he hasn't changed a bit after getting temporarily banned before for the same reason.

On the other hand, I also feel like OP makes a bit too much fuzz about this.  ;)
I think so too but let's put into consideration that different people have different response to a violent threat. GazetaBitcoin is probably one of those people that doesn't take death threats lightly.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: mindrust on August 05, 2020, 09:06:54 AM

if this is not the first time he made this kind of threat and whether the threat is actually legitimate or not I am surprised he isn't permabanned yet seeing that he hasn't changed a bit after getting temporarily banned before for the same reason.


Mods went soft. The forum lost so many users they can't even afford to ban "ban-evaders" anymore.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: The Cryptovator on August 05, 2020, 01:02:54 PM
Although this isn't direct death threats, burning someone with fire would lead to death. We can assume here that he will use fire to burn. So if the person somehow knows your real location probably he would attempt to burn you and there is the possibility of death if really happen. This is a bodily harm threat but besides that, it would consider as a death threat as well by the exploration of the above fact. I believe he will be ban again either for a short or long time.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: Peanutswar on August 05, 2020, 01:23:24 PM
Giving those words I think is too much urge of anger.
"I will piss on you and burn you".

For me, this is considered a death threat but in a verbal way, there are a lot of death threats we can consider like assault, damage on a property, with the use of letter and more.

In a verbal way, you are giving a word you may do and inappropriate just to hurt someone.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: akhjob on August 05, 2020, 02:22:28 PM
So, given this context, what is your opinion? Is this a death threat? "I will piss on you and burn you".
No, I don't think this is a death threat. The context looks more like he would piss on you and humiliate/ruin you. As rizzarack mentioned, it's just a curse phrase.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: Johny Depp on August 05, 2020, 04:19:59 PM
Prior saying that someone made a death threat, I'd like to ask the community if such an allegation can be considered a death threat: "I will piss on you and burn you".

Take into consideration that the above sentence was said by someone which already made other death threats inside the forum, being also banned 6 months for the previous death threats (he evaded his ban but that's another story).

So, given this context, what is your opinion? Is this a death threat? "I will piss on you and burn you".

I am unsure how to proceed.


I believe, it is considered a death threat and this is how I reported while it happened to me - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1708429.0. theymos did take a stern action.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: GazetaBitcoin on August 05, 2020, 04:32:59 PM
2. WTF are you even arguing about ? There is no scam

Actually, there is a scam. This is the scam:

Given all the above, I believe he needs additional negative feedbacks from DT members, as he is trying to lure naïve members and steal their money for services he can not offer. Of course (term which he writes as "ofcourse"), nobody should hire someone who didn't pay a loan in 3 years, as this is a good sign that the respective person may not respect the contract deadlines. Also, nobody should hire a ban evader, a member which makes death threats and, generally speaking, an imbecile. Is like hiring a blind man for a guide tour or someone without a driver license for being a taxi driver. But all these can be enforced also with appropriate feedbacks from DT members. Anyone hiring andulolika is at great risk of losing money as he can't offer translation services due to his low intellect and lack of knowledge of his native language and also of the mentioned foreign languages.

just a guy with "less than perfect" writing skills advertising for translation services. Not the first, not the last.

^ You should correct that with "way less than mediocre writing skills". Sadly, not the first, not the last. But one of the few which is trying to scam this way.

Are we going to pretend no one here has been pissed on and burned by a women in leather?

Lol - that was really funny, to say the least :)

Secondly, these words, do you know the threatening suspect, in the real world?
The answer;
If you know it's real, yes it's a "threat".

However, if you do not know the real suspect, it is legally flawed [...]

OP, what is the name of the account that says the words of wisdom to you, you say the main account has been banned, so can you give the account name.

I don't agree. Threats (no matter if death threats or serious threats but which don't involve death, body harming threats and so on) are not allowed on the forum, according to forum rules:

8. No threats to inflict bodily harm, death threats.

If what you're saying was true, it would imply that a forum member which makes a threat - let's say a death threat - can be banned only after performing the homicide? Including all the police investigation, all the duration of the trial, his appeal (if any) and oooooonly, only after the court of law would put this guy behind the bar, the forum would finally ban him? I hope you're joking :)

Regarding the guy's name, I already stated it before - it is andulolika. See the links from OP and my previous post from the topic (the 15th post).

Also, as NeuroticFish already emphasized, andulolika threaten to death another member previously: parodium. Let me quote some more details on this, in case you missed my conversation with andulolika from the Romanian topic:

I never threatened parodium i honestly admited i'd either kill him if chance was proper

Quoted for reference.

[...]

Oh, in case there are people which don't know about your death threats or consider this being an exaggeration, here they are:

https://i.ibb.co/WKmkYnV/rkYAFOg.jpg

Alright so this fucker tagged me with fake picture that i threatened him, i never done such thing however after i did warn him that i would slit his throat

i just were honest and told him what i would do to him in that moment

Well that's a really ethical and honest person! That's the spirit!

if this is not the first time he made this kind of threat and whether the threat is actually legitimate or not I am surprised he isn't permabanned yet seeing that he hasn't changed a bit after getting temporarily banned before for the same reason.

He was banned for 180 days but his ban expired. However, he evaded his ban and nothing happened to him. His ban evasion can be found as a feedback written at his profile and also at the last post of this archived (http://archive.is/ovgVq) reference.

GazetaBitcoin is probably one of those people that doesn't take death threats lightly.

Yes, this is correct. I don't take such things lightly, especially when they come from someone which is notorious for making death threats. Imagine that Jack the Ripper himself would make a slight allusion about butchering someone or setting someone on fire or something similar -- even if it was a joke. I'd guess it should be taken very seriously.

I believe, it is considered a death threat and this is how I reported while it happened to me - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1708429.0. theymos did take a stern action.

Thank you for sharing this. This is exactly what I meant when I wrote above to YOSHIE: mods don't have to wait until a murder is done in order to ban someone. Such words are enough.



All in all, I saw that several members here expressed their feelings for this being either a death threat or at least a threat. Not many were those which considered andulolika's allegations to be simple, regular chit-chat words. As a consequence, I reported him for breaking rule 8 by making threats (I didn't write death threats but only threats), mentioning as well that he was already banned before for making death threats in the past.

And for those not convinced yet about the scum character of this individual, let me quote what he said after I warned him that such expression may lead to a nice time behind bars, if the Police would get him:

Sa ma pis pe tine si sa iti dau foc.

Again, quoted for reference as this can be considered another death threat. I'll try to pull some strings to see if I can find out who you really are. Maybe Police will be interested in analyzing your allegation while offering you a nice time behind bars.

You call the cops suck their dicks and maybe they send me a letter. Just go yell your stupid name in front of the section perhaps you luckier.

That being said, if anyone has any information about this individual, about this modern Jack the Ripper wannabee, please let me know. I'll try to make a dossier about him and forward it to the Police, to see what Police would say about someone who says "i would slit his throat", "thank people I haven't insulted you or taken your life if I had the chance", "I could slith your throat, good luck leaving that bit of blood on my coat", "I can definitely look like a psychopat and slith your throat" or "I will piss on you and burn you". Maybe it's just me, but I think Police won't see all these too easy.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: NotATether on August 05, 2020, 10:44:01 PM
andulolika threaten to death another member previously
~snip

With all politeness, I don't see the point in picking on months-old scars because they are not relevant to your current complaint. Mods can't take action against people because of things they already punished in the past.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: hacker1001101001 on August 06, 2020, 02:45:57 AM
That being said, if anyone has any information about this individual, about this modern Jack the Ripper wannabee, please let me know.

Are you trying to buy andulolika's personal information here ? This is more of an physical threat than just saying "burn you".

Look at yourself !


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: Coin_trader on August 06, 2020, 03:11:34 AM
That being said, if anyone has any information about this individual, about this modern Jack the Ripper wannabee, please let me know.

Are you trying to buy andulolika's personal information here ? This is more of an physical threat than just saying "burn you".

Look at yourself !

I notice that this guy and the user that you mention has a serious disagreement when I saw that OP was questioning Andu loan just to pay his bid. You can see it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5262261.msg54927455#msg54927455



I know that this kind of argument is due to ego only so it's normal to see harsh words to be thrown out. I don't know both this guy but making small things BIG just to burn down the person you hate is not a good move.

I believe ignoring your foe here is the best solution to eased this kind argument.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: NavI_027 on August 06, 2020, 06:41:11 AM
I believe ignoring your foe here is the best solution to eased this kind argument.
That's right! Kill your enemy with silence. That can be also a good move to know if your enemy is really serious with his threat or not. If the situation remain calm for the next few days then congrats! You just lose to a trashtalk but at least you're physically safe wherever place you are :D. On the other side if he keeps on spilling his sh*t then that's the time for you to be alarmed and start to analyze whether it's feasible for him to hunt you down. But if you found out that he reside on the other side of the planet then foget everything. I never heard a story of man travelling hundreds of miles just to piss and burn his enemy — not prsctical at all.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: Nellayar on August 06, 2020, 09:12:15 AM
So, given this context, what is your opinion? Is this a death threat? "I will piss on you...".
Not sure but for sure it's dirty. Not sexy too.

On a serious note: Say this is a death threat. What worse can happen to you unless your identity is public and the guy has some real balls. This is an anonymous place and nothing is there to harm you physically. I do not guarantee mental healthy though.
It is not clearly a threat because no one knows as here unless when you connect your account in your real social media account or you did not made a pseudonym. I think it is just an exaggerating statement to the user. We all know that some of us are keyboard warriors. They are only warfreak when they handle the keyboard but they are really coward in real life.

I can say that if it is harmful when the user mentioned your real name with a death threat.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: Twentyonepaylots on August 06, 2020, 08:44:31 PM
No, I wouldn't consider that a death threat at all, regardless of the member's previous history of alleged death threats.  It sounds like it could just be that the meaning of "burn you" got lost in the translation--I seriously doubt this is a threat to literally kill you by setting you on fire.  In the US if you tell someone you're going to burn them, you're basically telling them that you're going to beat them in whatever activity is taking place.
Yeah considering death threats has to do with the ability of him to do such thing, for example if a kid says I'll kill you to a 30yr old man that can't be considered as a threat it would be foolish for a mam to file a case against the kid because of that, this same goes to a random people in the internet. And I agree it also has to do with the language jargons.

I haven't seen many true death threats being made on bitcointalk, and most of the ones that were questionable have been because English isn't the member's first language, and a simple expression of anger can come off sounding like an actual threat.  That's my take on this, anyway.
On a section like economics,bitcoin discussion or any crypto related discussion it is really vague to have an offensive runs to the thread unless being taken personally.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: TheBeardedBaby on August 06, 2020, 09:50:59 PM
I don't understand really what is the issue here, if the guy is ban evading doesn't really matter if he is threatening you, he is going to get the same punishment, another perma ban, but if he is already ban evading I don't think this will stop it.
The forum cannot protect you against any physical threatening, the only tool the mods have is the Ban Hammer, that's all. If there will be any physical damage from the suspect then maybe the forum can provide info to the police for further investigation but again that's won't save you from the guy if he wants to harm you.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on August 06, 2020, 10:38:26 PM
Anybody who intends to kill you isn’t going to tell you publicly on a forum. If somebody wants you dead then you won’t know about it until it’s too late. Not trying to scare you, just letting you know that the guy making threats is almost certain to be a keyboard warrior. He probably couldn’t punch his way out of a wet paper bag. Nothing to worry about at all, laugh it off.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: GazetaBitcoin on August 07, 2020, 03:57:03 AM
I am not worried at all about andulolika being serious. I just wanted to hear the opinions of other forum members, if they consider his words as a threat or as a death threat for two reasons: (1) for knowing how to report him - as making threats or as making death threats and (2) for raising awarenes of what this ape-man is capable of (including that he continues to make threats after previously being banned 180 days for the same offense).

I reported him already... now it's mods decision.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: Assface16678 on August 07, 2020, 05:12:27 AM
For me, it delivers in a two expression

  • Calm way
  • Angry way

In calm or just a joking way, I think this is just a normal expression for having fun with your friends and just a casual conversation of yours. Still, if you are a person treat this has a good way there is no worry.

In Angry way, if the person delivers on this way it gives a lot of too much misunderstanding like they are cursing you this is a threat for me because they have full of anger still if they realize those too much harsh but sooner or later they will regret those words but if they have a bad and deep feeling to you take this as a risk.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: JohnBitCo on August 07, 2020, 04:52:14 PM
Prior saying that someone made a death threat, I'd like to ask the community if such an allegation can be considered a death threat: "I will piss on you and burn you".

Take into consideration that the above sentence was said by someone which already made other death threats inside the forum, being also banned 6 months for the previous death threats (he evaded his ban but that's another story).

So, given this context, what is your opinion? Is this a death threat? "I will piss on you and burn you".

I am unsure how to proceed.


There is a famous saying that those who speaks a lot , does not take action (Thunder does not rain). No one can harm you and also many people don't have guts to come face to face and say such words. Its easy to type these on the forum but it is not as easy to come in person and speak like this.
I would call such persons timid and not brave.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: meanwords on August 08, 2020, 01:15:26 AM
The rule says it's a death threat but to be honest, it's more like an intimidation to you and a vent of anger. Well you can just report him and give the full context. That way the moderators can decide whether it is or not.

But why did you hijacked his thread though? (I used google translate BTW) https://archive.is/n72kg

https://i.imgur.com/j2TL7Un.png


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: suchmoon on August 08, 2020, 02:24:48 AM
But why did you hijacked his thread though? (I used google translate BTW) https://archive.is/n72kg

It's all explained earlier in this thread. It sounded like andulolika was looking for a translation service and considering how illiterate he is - that's an easy mistake to make.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: meanwords on August 08, 2020, 03:09:16 AM
But why did you hijacked his thread though? (I used google translate BTW) https://archive.is/n72kg

It's all explained earlier in this thread. It sounded like andulolika was looking for a translation service and considering how illiterate he is - that's an easy mistake to make.

Now that you mentioned it. It did sounded like he is buying a service.

Looking at his history, he has a very bad mouth (Like swearing and threatening is his habit of venting his anger) and now because of it, the situation escalated to this. He also isn't honest.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: andulolika on August 08, 2020, 11:32:50 AM
No matter how drunk i was that wasn't a death threat, I was being honest about my feelings, I was atleast that sober.
I haven't read more than few posts yet as im not home but i has my perspective anyhow.
I will later read and answer properly but i feel that as always everyone gonna take the words they want and make their story.

I has bad mouth with scammers, dubious people and cunts.
It cannot be taken as threat as i never said i will, i wouldnt spend energy nor jailtime for him.

It's a threat for sure, but maybe not a death thread. Maybe he wanted to harness the power of the sun with a magnifying glass and burn you that way?  :D Seriously though, just report it especially if he's been banned for this sort of stuff before.

You backing and protecting a scammer. Disappointed me, i only like your name now.

Did the coin end as scam as probably all coins i was FUDing in that while? Yes.. Is he still promoting such obvious scams? Yes... Whats the mod with positive rating on him and reason for the circlejerk group to jump? hitlarious.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: pakhitheboss on August 09, 2020, 07:29:04 AM
It is a threat but it is certainly not a death threat. In any case if you have an issue with this guy start ignoring him. Such phrases are common nowadays and certainly, no one can kill anyone here until they know them personally or they know their whereabouts.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: joeperry on August 09, 2020, 08:54:37 AM
Technically you can't burn someone easily after they piss on you. It may be a threat but for me it's just not that serious to consider as a death threat it seems that the person is just really angry at you


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: UserU on August 09, 2020, 09:06:36 AM
For me, it delivers in a two expression

  • Calm way
  • Angry way

In calm or just a joking way, I think this is just a normal expression for having fun with your friends and just a casual conversation of yours. Still, if you are a person treat this has a good way there is no worry.


It's harder to banter online especially with a stranger unless both know one another well.

But personally if you plan to pursue the case as a crime, that has to come with other forms of intimidation (e.g. posting the victim's personal information, continuous harassment, including over different social media platforms)


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: andulolika on August 09, 2020, 11:05:01 AM
It will bug you till the day you are stabbed to death that I found out.  

Death threat, or Vod being Vod?  Maybe one of the users in DT who have included him in their trust network can answer?

"Until the day you die" is uttered by millions daily.  In prison you are most likely to die of a stabbing, so I was specific.  While you sit staring at the walls, your mind will constantly wonder which neighbor got revenge.  :/   Everyone who trusts me is smarter than you, obviously.  

Mr. OG:  Your "ponzi passthrough" had 2,600 you had collected in payouts from other victims.   When pirate closed down his ponzi, you took that 2,600 in your ponzi and moved it to personal accounts.  Then you paid out the insurance amount.

What happened to those 2,600 BTC? Notice I answered your deflection question - now you should answer mine.
I'm not willing to believe someone can be that stupid after that many years of crypto, it clearly stated "ponzi". I don't need nor want to know more about it, you accept all scam shitcoins and worship them but cannot accept that something that clearly states that's a ponzi and that will eventually get rekt got rekt.
Not saying I agree with ponzi's but that was a clear one, no hidden shit.

I once deposited .1 on a ponzi claiming on the chat i'll send all my balance next time, took my 50% on the .1 and went away, very far away. Whoever vested there know what's the risk as i knew what the risk is sending that .1, you aren't reasonable vod, keep licking that tit.

Rizzrack is right, "i'll pee on you and set you on fire" is lyrics of a song.

All of you that seem too tormented for those words are officialy from my perspective whining bitches. No coincidences here, i bet my both nuts IRL you aren't as legit as you like to seem. I mostly say this for mindrust.

I'll eagerly be awaiting more cpt.obvious and mrpolitically correct whore. Cheers to whoever seems to have a bit of logic in their head and be able to read, seems not everyone is so senile here.

Gazetta, thanks for doing this thread and bumping my signature for so long, you a stand up dude, I would of never thought myself of opening such thread. I mean I make threads and you bump them, been a while I don't have such fan.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: andulolika on August 09, 2020, 01:35:46 PM
Technically you can't burn someone easily after they piss on you. It may be a threat but for me it's just not that serious to consider as a death threat it seems that the person is just really angry at you
You right there, it is pretty obvious I cannot do anything to him and that I probably wouldn't at the very end.
But don't underestimate the power of fire, a bit of pee doesn't do much or I doubt it does.

I'm not willing to believe someone can be that stupid after that many years of crypto, it clearly stated "ponzi". I don't need nor want to know more about it, you accept all scam shitcoins and worship them but cannot accept that something that clearly states that's a ponzi and that will eventually get rekt got rekt.
Not saying I agree with ponzi's but that was a clear one, no hidden shit.

Yes it was a ponzi, and Mr. OG knew he was going to have to scam eventually.

But he decided to scam everyone.  Instead of paying out the 2,600 BTC he owed his investors, he pocketed those coin when pirate went under.  He even planned it a week in advance by creating the insurance fund.

So, the issue is NOT that people lost money on a ponzi Mr. OG ran.  The issue is that people lost money that Mr. OG stole.



All I can say on the subject is that I don't like ponzies and excluding a minimum all should go back to the gamblers. Ponzi should keep going AND repay till it eventually cannot repay as it repaid too many commissions, then you go away with that not with that many unpaid users, if done this way only a small amount would go on maker's pocket, i think there was a few of those with smart contract.

Now a ponzi isn't a investment and whatever is sent there should be considered lost and whatever comes back a miracle, not sure why anyone thought any ponzi could behave differently, KLYE had a CLAM stake ponzi, where users would invest in the ponzi and they would get the funds back as soon as it's staked, minus a commission.

Edit: 8 posts? lol I don't really report anything unless scam or shit. Perhaps you should focus your energy in other subjects and save your opinion when you see it's pointless, i almost learned that one, also perhaps the second most stupid advice i ever gave, first being telling that dude to save his 100 btc on mt.gox when i was barely few months old bitcoiner, he made that hundred with a single btc on just dice only to get goxxed, i still feel terrible at times.


Title: Re: Is this considered a death threat?
Post by: GazetaBitcoin on August 10, 2020, 02:15:05 PM
It's a threat for sure, but maybe not a death thread. Maybe he wanted to harness the power of the sun with a magnifying glass and burn you that way?  :D Seriously though, just report it especially if he's been banned for this sort of stuff before.

You backing and protecting a scammer. Disappointed me, i only like your name now.

Did the coin end as scam as probably all coins i was FUDing in that while? Yes.. Is he still promoting such obvious scams? Yes... Whats the mod with positive rating on him and reason for the circlejerk group to jump? hitlarious.

Who and what are you talking about? Are you drunk again? You don't make any sense.

Gazetta, thanks for doing this thread and bumping my signature for so long, you a stand up dude, I would of never thought myself of opening such thread. I mean I make threads and you bump them, been a while I don't have such fan.

Your low intellect doesn't help you at all, does it? This thread (and also the other one you locked as a coward) is not helping you at all. Not with your signature and nor with anything else. Instead, it only helps you get more and more ridiculous in front of anyone seeing you acting like an ape-man, writing like a gorilla and expressing yourself like an underclassman. Keep writing here, you'll get more and more popular.

I don't really report anything unless scam or shit.

Why don't you report then the shit post you created for that shitcoin?

Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/darkclam/) |  Web (http://www.darkclam.com)

Reddit: gone / Website: gone.

Perhaps you should focus your energy in other subjects and save your opinion when you see it's pointless, i almost learned that one, also perhaps the second most stupid advice i ever gave, first being telling that dude to save his 100 btc on mt.gox when i was barely few months old bitcoiner, he made that hundred with a single btc on just dice only to get goxxed, i still feel terrible at times.

Have you ever considered to advice the poor innocents which lost money due to your shitcoin to never invest in that scam? Maybe this would be a really good advice you could give to someone.