Is this considered a death threat?

[YOSHIE]

"I will piss on you and burn you".

The first: the suspect urinating on you ....!
Of course, you will get wet if the suspect urinates near you.

The second: the suspect wants to burn you ...!
Of course, if he brings gasoline oil and fire.

Secondly, these words, do you know the threatening suspect, in the real world?
The answer;
If you know it's real, yes it's a "threat".

However, if you do not know the real suspect, it is legally flawed, 'like there is a threat in a dream', you dream in a dream that there is a threat, if you go to the judge, I'm sure you will be laughed at by the judge.

If the two words were raised on the internet / forum, why don't you reply with the words:
I will drown you before burning and peeing on me. Damn it!

OP, what is the name of the account that says the words of wisdom to you, you say the main account has been banned, so can you give the account name.

[cabalism13]

"I will piss on you and burn you".

Depends on how you get it.
For me it's just an insult (trashtalk or something)
Also for me, I can't consider it as a threat especially if you're working here anonymously just like the others. Users like this won't have a way to identify on whom they're going to burn alive though.

The first: the suspect urinating on you ....!
Of course, you will get wet if the suspect urinates near you.
The second: the suspect wants to burn you ...!
Of course, if he brings gasoline oil and fire.

What if the suspect has too much acid on his urine to burn him enough  

[NeuroticFish]

Is this a death threat?

This is a "light" threat and can be easily interpreted. I find this a very good explanation:

It certainly is not polite, but not a death threat. Don't want to take sides but this is a seldom used curse phrase in Romanian.

The problem is that @andulolika has an older and clearer death threat "i would slit his throat for this if i could" and he kinda got away with it (it has "only" some negative trust for it). So while I would not take serious his "death threats", he should watch his tongue because sooner or later this way of talking will cause him trouble. (Of course, I mean anything that can be considered death threat, not the "usual" cursing).


So yeah, reporting is fine, the mods' "job" is to decide.
On the other hand, I also feel like OP makes a bit too much fuzz about this. 

[Latviand]

This is absolutely a threat but not a death threat, once you say something bad on a person and it looks like it is a serious statement that is can possibly be a threat.

There are also threats who can be treated as a joke to someone so be careful on what attitude we are going to perform in the internet. It can really affect someone's mental health so we should be mindful about the things that we are going to say to someone. Threats can cause fear and anxiety.

But we can't settle with that single line only, maybe he is trying to protect himself for someone that's why he threatened that person with that.

We have really no idea on what is really happening on that scenario.

[acroman08]

Is this a death threat?

This is a "light" threat and can be easily interpreted. I find this a very good explanation:

It certainly is not polite, but not a death threat. Don't want to take sides but this is a seldom used curse phrase in Romanian.

The problem is that @andulolika has an older and clearer death threat "i would slit his throat for this if i could" and he kinda got away with it (it has "only" some negative trust for it). So while I would not take serious his "death threats", he should watch his tongue because sooner or later this way of talking will cause him trouble. (Of course, I mean anything that can be considered death threat, not the "usual" cursing).


So yeah, reporting is fine, the mods' "job" is to decide.
On the other hand, I also feel like OP makes a bit too much fuzz about this. 

if this is not the first time he made this kind of threat and whether the threat is actually legitimate or not I am surprised he isn't permabanned yet seeing that he hasn't changed a bit after getting temporarily banned before for the same reason.

On the other hand, I also feel like OP makes a bit too much fuzz about this. 

I think so too but let's put into consideration that different people have different response to a violent threat. GazetaBitcoin is probably one of those people that doesn't take death threats lightly.

[mindrust]

if this is not the first time he made this kind of threat and whether the threat is actually legitimate or not I am surprised he isn't permabanned yet seeing that he hasn't changed a bit after getting temporarily banned before for the same reason.

Mods went soft. The forum lost so many users they can't even afford to ban "ban-evaders" anymore.

[The Cryptovator]

Although this isn't direct death threats, burning someone with fire would lead to death. We can assume here that he will use fire to burn. So if the person somehow knows your real location probably he would attempt to burn you and there is the possibility of death if really happen. This is a bodily harm threat but besides that, it would consider as a death threat as well by the exploration of the above fact. I believe he will be ban again either for a short or long time.

[Peanutswar]

Giving those words I think is too much urge of anger.

"I will piss on you and burn you".

For me, this is considered a death threat but in a verbal way, there are a lot of death threats we can consider like assault, damage on a property, with the use of letter and more.

In a verbal way, you are giving a word you may do and inappropriate just to hurt someone.

[akhjob]

So, given this context, what is your opinion? Is this a death threat? "I will piss on you and burn you".

No, I don't think this is a death threat. The context looks more like he would piss on you and humiliate/ruin you. As rizzarack mentioned, it's just a curse phrase.

[Johny Depp]

Prior saying that someone made a death threat, I'd like to ask the community if such an allegation can be considered a death threat: "I will piss on you and burn you".

Take into consideration that the above sentence was said by someone which already made other death threats inside the forum, being also banned 6 months for the previous death threats (he evaded his ban but that's another story).

So, given this context, what is your opinion? Is this a death threat? "I will piss on you and burn you".

I am unsure how to proceed.

I believe, it is considered a death threat and this is how I reported while it happened to me - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1708429.0. theymos did take a stern action.

[GazetaBitcoin]

2. WTF are you even arguing about ? There is no scam

Actually, there is a scam. This is the scam:

Given all the above, I believe he needs additional negative feedbacks from DT members, as he is trying to lure naïve members and steal their money for services he can not offer. Of course (term which he writes as "ofcourse"), nobody should hire someone who didn't pay a loan in 3 years, as this is a good sign that the respective person may not respect the contract deadlines. Also, nobody should hire a ban evader, a member which makes death threats and, generally speaking, an imbecile. Is like hiring a blind man for a guide tour or someone without a driver license for being a taxi driver. But all these can be enforced also with appropriate feedbacks from DT members. Anyone hiring andulolika is at great risk of losing money as he can't offer translation services due to his low intellect and lack of knowledge of his native language and also of the mentioned foreign languages.

just a guy with "less than perfect" writing skills advertising for translation services. Not the first, not the last.

^ You should correct that with "way less than mediocre writing skills". Sadly, not the first, not the last. But one of the few which is trying to scam this way.

Are we going to pretend no one here has been pissed on and burned by a women in leather?

Lol - that was really funny, to say the least

Secondly, these words, do you know the threatening suspect, in the real world?
The answer;
If you know it's real, yes it's a "threat".

However, if you do not know the real suspect, it is legally flawed [...]

OP, what is the name of the account that says the words of wisdom to you, you say the main account has been banned, so can you give the account name.

I don't agree. Threats (no matter if death threats or serious threats but which don't involve death, body harming threats and so on) are not allowed on the forum, according to forum rules:

8. No threats to inflict bodily harm, death threats.

If what you're saying was true, it would imply that a forum member which makes a threat - let's say a death threat - can be banned only after performing the homicide? Including all the police investigation, all the duration of the trial, his appeal (if any) and oooooonly, only after the court of law would put this guy behind the bar, the forum would finally ban him? I hope you're joking

Regarding the guy's name, I already stated it before - it is andulolika. See the links from OP and my previous post from the topic (the 15th post).

Also, as NeuroticFish already emphasized, andulolika threaten to death another member previously: parodium. Let me quote some more details on this, in case you missed my conversation with andulolika from the Romanian topic:

I never threatened parodium i honestly admited i'd either kill him if chance was proper

Quoted for reference.

[...]

Oh, in case there are people which don't know about your death threats or consider this being an exaggeration, here they are:

Alright so this fucker tagged me with fake picture that i threatened him, i never done such thing however after i did warn him that i would slit his throat

i just were honest and told him what i would do to him in that moment

Well that's a really ethical and honest person! That's the spirit!

if this is not the first time he made this kind of threat and whether the threat is actually legitimate or not I am surprised he isn't permabanned yet seeing that he hasn't changed a bit after getting temporarily banned before for the same reason.

He was banned for 180 days but his ban expired. However, he evaded his ban and nothing happened to him. His ban evasion can be found as a feedback written at his profile and also at the last post of this archived reference.

GazetaBitcoin is probably one of those people that doesn't take death threats lightly.

Yes, this is correct. I don't take such things lightly, especially when they come from someone which is notorious for making death threats. Imagine that Jack the Ripper himself would make a slight allusion about butchering someone or setting someone on fire or something similar -- even if it was a joke. I'd guess it should be taken very seriously.

I believe, it is considered a death threat and this is how I reported while it happened to me - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1708429.0. theymos did take a stern action.

Thank you for sharing this. This is exactly what I meant when I wrote above to YOSHIE: mods don't have to wait until a murder is done in order to ban someone. Such words are enough.


All in all, I saw that several members here expressed their feelings for this being either a death threat or at least a threat. Not many were those which considered andulolika's allegations to be simple, regular chit-chat words. As a consequence, I reported him for breaking rule 8 by making threats (I didn't write death threats but only threats), mentioning as well that he was already banned before for making death threats in the past.

And for those not convinced yet about the scum character of this individual, let me quote what he said after I warned him that such expression may lead to a nice time behind bars, if the Police would get him:

Sa ma pis pe tine si sa iti dau foc.

Again, quoted for reference as this can be considered another death threat. I'll try to pull some strings to see if I can find out who you really are. Maybe Police will be interested in analyzing your allegation while offering you a nice time behind bars.

You call the cops suck their dicks and maybe they send me a letter. Just go yell your stupid name in front of the section perhaps you luckier.

That being said, if anyone has any information about this individual, about this modern Jack the Ripper wannabee, please let me know. I'll try to make a dossier about him and forward it to the Police, to see what Police would say about someone who says "i would slit his throat", "thank people I haven't insulted you or taken your life if I had the chance", "I could slith your throat, good luck leaving that bit of blood on my coat", "I can definitely look like a psychopat and slith your throat" or "I will piss on you and burn you". Maybe it's just me, but I think Police won't see all these too easy.

[NotATether]

andulolika threaten to death another member previously
~snip

With all politeness, I don't see the point in picking on months-old scars because they are not relevant to your current complaint. Mods can't take action against people because of things they already punished in the past.

[hacker1001101001]

That being said, if anyone has any information about this individual, about this modern Jack the Ripper wannabee, please let me know.

Are you trying to buy andulolika's personal information here ? This is more of an physical threat than just saying "burn you".

Look at yourself !

[Coin_trader]

That being said, if anyone has any information about this individual, about this modern Jack the Ripper wannabee, please let me know.

Are you trying to buy andulolika's personal information here ? This is more of an physical threat than just saying "burn you".

Look at yourself !

I notice that this guy and the user that you mention has a serious disagreement when I saw that OP was questioning Andu loan just to pay his bid. You can see it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5262261.msg54927455#msg54927455


I know that this kind of argument is due to ego only so it's normal to see harsh words to be thrown out. I don't know both this guy but making small things BIG just to burn down the person you hate is not a good move.

I believe ignoring your foe here is the best solution to eased this kind argument.

[NavI_027]

I believe ignoring your foe here is the best solution to eased this kind argument.

That's right! Kill your enemy with silence. That can be also a good move to know if your enemy is really serious with his threat or not. If the situation remain calm for the next few days then congrats! You just lose to a trashtalk but at least you're physically safe wherever place you are . On the other side if he keeps on spilling his sh*t then that's the time for you to be alarmed and start to analyze whether it's feasible for him to hunt you down. But if you found out that he reside on the other side of the planet then foget everything. I never heard a story of man travelling hundreds of miles just to piss and burn his enemy — not prsctical at all.

[Nellayar]

So, given this context, what is your opinion? Is this a death threat? "I will piss on you...".

Not sure but for sure it's dirty. Not sexy too.

On a serious note: Say this is a death threat. What worse can happen to you unless your identity is public and the guy has some real balls. This is an anonymous place and nothing is there to harm you physically. I do not guarantee mental healthy though.

It is not clearly a threat because no one knows as here unless when you connect your account in your real social media account or you did not made a pseudonym. I think it is just an exaggerating statement to the user. We all know that some of us are keyboard warriors. They are only warfreak when they handle the keyboard but they are really coward in real life.

I can say that if it is harmful when the user mentioned your real name with a death threat.

[Twentyonepaylots]

No, I wouldn't consider that a death threat at all, regardless of the member's previous history of alleged death threats.  It sounds like it could just be that the meaning of "burn you" got lost in the translation--I seriously doubt this is a threat to literally kill you by setting you on fire.  In the US if you tell someone you're going to burn them, you're basically telling them that you're going to beat them in whatever activity is taking place.

Yeah considering death threats has to do with the ability of him to do such thing, for example if a kid says I'll kill you to a 30yr old man that can't be considered as a threat it would be foolish for a mam to file a case against the kid because of that, this same goes to a random people in the internet. And I agree it also has to do with the language jargons.

I haven't seen many true death threats being made on bitcointalk, and most of the ones that were questionable have been because English isn't the member's first language, and a simple expression of anger can come off sounding like an actual threat.  That's my take on this, anyway.

On a section like economics,bitcoin discussion or any crypto related discussion it is really vague to have an offensive runs to the thread unless being taken personally.

[TheBeardedBaby]

I don't understand really what is the issue here, if the guy is ban evading doesn't really matter if he is threatening you, he is going to get the same punishment, another perma ban, but if he is already ban evading I don't think this will stop it.
The forum cannot protect you against any physical threatening, the only tool the mods have is the Ban Hammer, that's all. If there will be any physical damage from the suspect then maybe the forum can provide info to the police for further investigation but again that's won't save you from the guy if he wants to harm you.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Anybody who intends to kill you isn’t going to tell you publicly on a forum. If somebody wants you dead then you won’t know about it until it’s too late. Not trying to scare you, just letting you know that the guy making threats is almost certain to be a keyboard warrior. He probably couldn’t punch his way out of a wet paper bag. Nothing to worry about at all, laugh it off.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I am not worried at all about andulolika being serious. I just wanted to hear the opinions of other forum members, if they consider his words as a threat or as a death threat for two reasons: (1) for knowing how to report him - as making threats or as making death threats and (2) for raising awarenes of what this ape-man is capable of (including that he continues to make threats after previously being banned 180 days for the same offense).

I reported him already... now it's mods decision.