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Post by: Symmetrick on August 11, 2020, 10:13:34 AM


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: Finestream on August 11, 2020, 10:16:32 AM
Post can only be deleted after 24 hours, so people mark it as delete so they can delete the post whenever possible.

I also do the same in the past when I apply for a campaign and believe that post is not necessary anymore, I delete it after 24 hours, sometimes people also forget to delete the post though they mark it as delete, this is mostly done by participants not accepted in a signature campaign.


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: bL4nkcode on August 11, 2020, 10:49:56 AM
Additional post count, nothing else.

As they can delete the post instead of posting "Deleted".


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: YOSHIE on August 11, 2020, 10:53:49 AM
In general, I did not understand the meaning of such posts a little, can someone explain to me what their meaning is and why they are so valuable that they are not deleted by users, but edited in this way ???
That's what humans say 'Same hair black / different minds'.
Of course, everyone who leaves scribbled writing has their own reasons, only that person has the full reason, about the application being crossed out and not deleted.

Reason: general.
1. The application is crossed out not deleted, indicating that I have registered in the campaign and I have posted on a certain topic.
2. There are some accusations, after the accusation has been corrected, the main post is not deleted and just crossed out for evidence.
3. Just for fun and let the app stay on topic.
4. And many other reasons, clearly the writing on the crossed out does not disturb other users.


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: minairia3 on August 11, 2020, 10:56:46 AM
I think its a form of gesture. Some user do this like what Finestream explained, they are removing their application on campaign by simply putting strikethrough to inform someone that they are not pushing their application and most likely will delete it after the 24 hours rules. Or on some post maybe they just want to show that they edited their post by keeping their previous word and changing with the new one.

In which sections and for which ranks does this rule apply?
I think all sections have a 24 hour rule before you can delete your message with no restriction of the ranks. Not sure though.


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: Finestream on August 11, 2020, 10:57:38 AM
Post can only be deleted after 24 hours.

In which sections and for which ranks does this rule apply?

You can read in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4378072.msg39163661#msg39163661

https://imgbbb.com/images/2020/08/11/post...png


I don't know what specific boards covered by the rule, since the information or post from Theymos is not a formal announcement based on the thread I saw.


I think all sections have a 24 hour rule before you can delete your message /...

Not all sections per theymos.


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: zasad@ on August 11, 2020, 11:04:48 AM
I think how I'd prefer to handle it is to prevent deleting posts within 24 hours of posting them, in the problematic sections only. Which sections are problematic?

I think how I'd prefer to handle it is to prevent deleting posts within 24 hours of posting them
I kinda expect them to just leave their spam much longer, but that can happen with all possible solutions for this problem.

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Which sections are problematic?
I've confirmed bump bots in:
-Bitcoin Forum > Alternate cryptocurrencies > Announcements (Altcoins) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=159.0)
-Bitcoin Forum > Alternate cryptocurrencies > Announcements (Altcoins) > Tokens (Altcoins) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=240.0)
-Bitcoin Forum > Alternate cryptocurrencies > Marketplace (Altcoins) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2579775.180)

I wouldn't be surprised if there are more.

OK, the 24-hour limit is now in place in the sections that people mentioned.


here, too, the limit is set for 24 hours and it does not depend on the rank of the user.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=52.0


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: Botnake on August 11, 2020, 11:16:29 AM
Additional post count, nothing else.

As they can delete the post instead of posting "Deleted".

Gaining additional post by posting "deleted" is spamming, if they enroll in a campaign, managers won't count it, so there's no sense of posting deleted to gain post. I think there's an original post to it and they just edited it to deleted while some just crushed the post without editing it.

Just like this post below, I believed Slow death applied for wolf.bet campaign but later accepted in bestchange, so he crashed his application post but did not delete the post.


Here's an example:

Bitcointalk username: Slow death
Bitcointalk profile URL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile
Amount of earned merit in the last 120 days: 34
BTC Address: 321fQLVy8fsiihAx6wXU4qgKmEbnU4Ft8h

There are still x3 Legendary & x1 Hero Member open positions!
Bitcointalk username: Slow death
Bitcointalk profile URL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile
Amount of earned merit in the last 120 days: 34
BTC Address: 321fQLVy8fsiihAx6wXU4qgKmEbnU4Ft8h
Reapplying




Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: sheenshane on August 11, 2020, 11:39:43 AM
Sometimes I did cross out an application and wanted to delete after 24 hours (in the service section, there's a restriction, after 24 hours you can delete your post) but I forgot it to come back my crossed out the post and delete it. Probably that was the same thing to them, they might forget to delete after 24 hours.

If this is intended for post count, I don't think so. Forgetting is always on us as a human. But it's our responsibility to clean our mess like this and should not forget.

I think all sections have a 24 hour rule before you can delete your message with no restriction of the ranks. Not sure though.
No, this is not so, I deleted a lot of messages and never had any restrictions, I can write a post here and in a second delete it and there will be no restrictions.
AFAIK, only the service section has a restriction like this. You can't delete your post within that time after you've post unless the 24 hours will be passed.


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: OcTradism on August 11, 2020, 11:53:14 AM
It is a restriction on some board where posts can only be deleted after 24 hours. It is common with application posts in campaigns where people withdraw their applications but can not delete at the time, then they erase info, and replace it with "deleted". I doubt that they will remember to come back and delete their applications next days.

It is supported by that rule. They can not make a bump, then delete after few mins, and make a new bump. If they make multi bump within 24 hours, everyone can see it.
13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours per thread. Bumping multiple threads at the same time is allowed if it's not annoying. [2][e]

Sometimes, scammers use delete for their Announcement thread. When their scam projects are done, they delete words in OP and go.


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: GazetaBitcoin on August 11, 2020, 01:36:13 PM
I observed also many similar topics in the Marketplace section. I assumed that the seller sold the product and didn't bother to clock / delete the topic and chose instead to edit it (including the title) with a nice "delete" message. I thought that maybe some of such members don't know how to delete / lock their topics and chose this option, to edit them.

There are also cases when the seller is trying a scam and after the scam gets revealed by other smart forum members (in their posts), OP chooses to edit the topic with the "delete" message. I noticed a lot of such topics as well. Obviously, these members have no idea about LoyceV's tool which shows their unedited posts lol. As Einstein said once, "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe".

However, I see this as redundant posting and I'm reporting all these posts each time I encounter them.


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: philipma1957 on August 11, 2020, 01:58:38 PM
Additional post count, nothing else.

As they can delete the post instead of posting "Deleted".

wrong.  Many sections make you wait for 24 hours.

The poster may simply erase the post leave a  .   or mark delete. and then forget to clean it up.

So it can be for keeping post count high.  And it can be due to board rules not allowing a delete.


Could you please alter your post to reflect it is not fully correct.






As for what sections do this.  Marketplace does it.

and they do it to all ranks. newbie to legend


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: sujonali1819 on August 11, 2020, 04:53:12 PM
People just forget to delete their post after making it to "deleted/ABCD" Actually these post has no value. It had a little bit worth before the merit system comes for ranking up. Also nowadays no campaign manager counts these posts as eligible for weekly quota. So it is really unnecessary and it's a result of Laziness.


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on August 11, 2020, 05:02:03 PM
I think all sections have a 24 hour rule before you can delete your message with no restriction of the ranks. Not sure though.
No, this is not so, I deleted a lot of messages and never had any restrictions, I can write a post here and in a second delete it and there will be no restrictions.
I'm pretty sure you're right.  I've deleted old posts before, though I can't remember which sections they were in.

Gaining additional post by posting "deleted" is spamming, if they enroll in a campaign, managers won't count it, so there's no sense of posting deleted to gain post.
That might be so, but my guess is that a lot of members don't realize it and don't want to delete any of their posts if they don't have to.  The posts might not count toward a campaign, but they do count toward your rank if you're below Legendary.  If you have enough deleted posts, you could get busted back down to Newbie rank.  But again, I don't know if many members are aware of that, either. 

Additional post count, nothing else.
That'd be my conclusion.  I'd bet on any other forum a member would delete a post with no problem, but since post count is so important on bitcointalk we end up with "deleted" or "del" instead.  Crazy, isn't it?


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: bL4nkcode on August 11, 2020, 05:12:16 PM

wrong.  Many sections make you wait for 24 hours.

The poster may simply erase the post leave a  .   or mark delete. and then forget to clean it up.

So it can be for keeping post count high.  And it can be due to board rules not allowing a delete.


Could you please alter your post to reflect it is not fully correct.
Yes, I might be wrong but based on those dates which is over weeks already or even months, it's either they just keep them there for post count, or just forget about it.

As for me, I'm always reviewing my post history (Idk for some of people here) and deleted post which isn't necessary especially signature applications.


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: Timelord2067 on August 11, 2020, 05:15:19 PM
People just forget to delete their post after making it to "deleted/ABCD" Actually these post has no value. It had a little bit worth before the merit system comes for ranking up. Also nowadays no campaign manager counts these posts as eligible for weekly quota. So it is really unnecessary and it's a result of Laziness.

While that may be true it helps propel users' into a higher rank that they can then obtain a better payout in a Signature Campaign.




There was a thread about this only a couple of weeks ago.


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: Philipma1957cellphone on August 11, 2020, 05:17:02 PM

wrong.  Many sections make you wait for 24 hours.

The poster may simply erase the post leave a  .   or mark delete. and then forget to clean it up.

So it can be for keeping post count high.  And it can be due to board rules not allowing a delete.


Could you please alter your post to reflect it is not fully correct.
Yes, I might be wrong but based on those dates which is over weeks already or even months, it's either they just keep them there for post count, or just forget about it.

As for me, I'm always reviewing my post history (Idk for some of people here) and deleted post which isn't necessary especially signature applications.

Yeah my main account is too big with too many posts to bother to check.

I would bet I had to have forgotten to fully delete at least a few . Or delete posts.

Maybe I will go back and check a few pages from 2017. Or 2015.


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: Upgrade00 on August 11, 2020, 05:38:16 PM
I think increasing post count is a minimal factor in cases like these.
Posts boosts activity score, which is what is important, and one can only get as much as 14 every fortnight. Hence at a rate of 1 post per day, full activity for that period would be achieved. Also, for one to lose them, they would have to delete all posts made within two weeks. Except one is not active on the forum, it would be easy to avoid losing activity.

There are of course users who simply apply in campaign threads, and may need the extra posts to increase their total number, but they would also need merits for the activity to count. And it would be difficult to get them by posting in only such threads.
I would assume that in almost all of such cases the user forgot to delete their replies or never planned on making the effort to do so.

Even though these are almost two identical posts. Apparently there is some value in them, only I did not understand what  ???
On the surface the first case offers no content and the mods would need to check the unedited version using LoyceV's script, this would take a lot of time, and would matter little as it's currently off topic and low value.
In the other case, it is possible to see the original content which is an application through the strike through, and it is posted in an appropriate thread. The mods likely give the posters the benefit of the doubt by leaving such replies.


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: Twentyonepaylots on August 11, 2020, 09:10:21 PM
People just forget to delete their post after making it to "deleted/ABCD" Actually these post has no value. It had a little bit worth before the merit system comes for ranking up. Also nowadays no campaign manager counts these posts as eligible for weekly quota. So it is really unnecessary and it's a result of Laziness.
Yeah but these posts escapes in counting when the campaign has a lot of participants especially in bounties. Managers won't have much time to check them one by one and so they are just referring to the posts count of their participants. If you mean to comeback to your post or in the thread, you could have just put 'reserved' as what the others do when they forgot something or when applying in a campaign, coz we know some are having 'first come first served' policy when applying the campaign.


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: NavI_027 on August 12, 2020, 02:27:11 AM
Even though these are almost two identical posts. Apparently there is some value in them, only I did not understand what  ???
See? You didn't even find the value. It only means that such posts are trash. They are just a product of desperation and laziness. Actually, going back to your declined application and deleting it after 24 hrs. is not a time consuming task. It's just so happened that some guilty members simply ignore it because it increases their post anyways.


[snip]
Yeah but these posts escapes in counting when the campaign has a lot of participants especially in bounties. Managers won't have much time to check them one by one and so they are just referring to the posts count of their participants.
Is this even possible? I can't believe it because it is not supposed to be tolerated! Well, the participants are very lucky if that's the case lol ;D. Though we can't say that he is totally lazy like the participants but irresponsible for sure since he is not fulfilling his duty very well. I just hope their campaign still runs very well despite of the  wrongdoings.
If you mean to comeback to your post or in the thread, you could have just put 'reserved' as what the others do when they forgot something or when applying in a campaign, coz we know some are having 'first come first served' policy when applying the campaign.
Yes you can but I bet you now have a lesser chance of getting accepted by doing so. I used to make "reservations" before but I stop because i realized that it annoys the CM. Be a fast typer instead.


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: Timelord2067 on August 12, 2020, 02:38:11 AM
I've made many hundreds of reports to the mods that are applicable to this topic.  On the whole they remain "unhandled" which is mod speak for the mods are indifferent to doing anything about this issue and would rather let the time expire on the report so that nothing is done.


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: Hhampuz on August 12, 2020, 03:30:17 AM
deleted


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: libert19 on August 12, 2020, 04:03:36 AM
I usually delete my 'deleted' posts after 24 hours but some may forget to do that, imagine having feature on forum which automatically finds and deletes 'deleted' saying comments automatically  :P


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: Timelord2067 on September 19, 2020, 01:19:54 AM
deleted

If I had more merits, then I would merit that above post  ;D  8)  :D

I usually delete my 'deleted' posts after 24 hours but some may forget to do that, imagine having feature on forum which automatically finds and deletes 'deleted' saying comments automatically  :P

Although I'd like to see something like that happen once a week ( @LoyceV could probably just whip up a list of one word posts such as "remove", "delete" "." or similar quite quickly I would imagine) the Maxwell Smart voice inside my head tends to say "If only they'd used the remove post bot for niceness, instead of evil..." (given how many threads have been started recently concerning posts magically disappearing, or being removed)




...and this thread should be stuck to the top of the board.


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: LoyceV on September 19, 2020, 11:16:42 AM
LoyceV could probably just whip up a list of one word posts such as "remove", "delete" "." or similar quite quickly I would imagine
No I can't, that would require re-scraping all posts, which takes months. I scrape unedited (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5167469.0) posts (only once per post).


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: Timelord2067 on September 24, 2020, 08:50:59 AM
LoyceV could probably just whip up a list of one word posts such as "remove", "delete" "." or similar quite quickly I would imagine
No I can't, that would require re-scraping all posts, which takes months. I scrape unedited (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5167469.0) posts (only once per post).

Don't worry, I won't inflict such a request on you.  8)


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: Slow death on September 24, 2020, 09:29:17 AM
By the way, another interesting feature is that posts like these are deleted by moderators:

removed my application.

But they leave such posts, marking the report as bad.

Bitcointalk username: Slow death
Bitcointalk profile URL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile
Amount of earned merit in the last 120 days: 34
BTC Address: 321fQLVy8fsiihAx6wXU4qgKmEbnU4Ft8h

There are still x3 Legendary & x1 Hero Member open positions!
Bitcointalk username: Slow death
Bitcointalk profile URL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile
Amount of earned merit in the last 120 days: 34
BTC Address: 321fQLVy8fsiihAx6wXU4qgKmEbnU4Ft8h
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Even though these are almost two identical posts. Apparently there is some value in them, only I did not understand what  ???

If you saw that the moderator didn't delete this post, why didn't you send me PM so I could delete it instead of running to post it here? it was obvious that i did it to delete it later i forgot, in that section you have to wait 24 hours to be able to delete a post and I've been busy with other things on the computer and I ended up forgetting that post.

PS: the next times you see my post like that send me PM that i will immediately delete and both post deleted

if you have doubts:

" only I did not understand what " and " Apparently there is some value in them "

send PM to the moderators to find out:

https://i.imgur.com/x1v8uGz.png


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: Slow death on September 24, 2020, 10:24:50 AM
Therefore, there is no need to write to someone in a personal message to delete something.

I read this whole thread and if you had sent me PM you would have the answer to your question and you would not have needed to create this thread. but it is better to forget that. in the last 1 year this forum has become a place where people do anything to be popular


Title: Re: Why are these posts necessary?
Post by: Slow death on September 24, 2020, 11:05:48 AM
but also about other types of posts, why they are created at all and for what purpose.

I hope you can get the answer to that "big question" and save the forum  ;D