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Title: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: theymos on March 23, 2014, 12:37:57 AM Due to recent unfortunate events, there was concern among the community that the previous host of the Bitcoin Wiki might no longer be able to maintain this important community resource. As of today, the Bitcoin Wiki is under the protection of the forum. The wiki’s existing policies and community will continue (separately from this forum’s community), but the forum will be providing hosting and related technical services. The wiki is now hosted on a dedicated VM, so software changes will hopefully now be easier and more frequent. In my opinion, the Wiki’s quality has declined over the last couple of years due to a number of mostly technical problems which I hope can be fixed eventually.
Security Improvements The new forum has been updated to the latest version of MediaWiki + extensions, with a custom SELinux confinement policy for Mediawiki, bitcoind and the CryptoPayment processor. Furthermore, a part-time sysadmin has been hired by the forum to be responsible for maintaining long-term security and maintenance of the Wiki. reCAPTCHA is now used only for account creation, merely to slow down bot-driven account creation. Automated Anti-Spam CryptoPayment is a MediaWiki extension to limit spam by requiring a small one-time Bitcoin payment before a user is allowed to edit or create pages. While the payment is deliberately small for a normal user, it presents a barrier to persistent spammers. Formerly known as BitcoinPayment, CryptoPayment no longer relies upon MtGox as the payment backend. It now uses a Node.js backend which interfaces with bitcoind. The plan is to rewrite the plugin and backend to be high-quality code and then to release it as open source so other wikis can benefit from this very effective anti-spam mechanism. CryptoPayment fees have been reduced from their previous level. Requiring payment for every user is certainly non-optimal. It prevents exactly the kind of “drive-by contributions” that wikis are great for. In the future, CryptoPayment might be improved by allowing users from “high-reputation” IP addresses to join without paying a fee. If you have any other ideas for improving the anti-spam system while making contributions easy, let us know. dump.bitcoin.it dump.bitcoin.it will soon be restored. Going forward there will be weekly dumps in XML for the public to download. Configuration Cleanup Some Templates are currently not fixed in non-English languages to correspond with the s/BitcoinPayment/CryptoPayment/ replacement that is currently described in English (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CryptoPayment). If you are fluent in the other languages supported by the Wiki, please fix any pages you can or talk to the lead Wiki moderators nanotube and SomeoneWeird if you have text for a non-English Template that you are unable to edit. Additionally, other pages such as the Login dialog need to be fixed to display the CryptoPayment notice in a similar manner to how it was presented with the previous Wiki. Do you notice anything else that needs to be fixed? Bitcoin Wiki Discussion and Support This new sub-board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=168.0) is the best place to discuss the Wiki. We would be very interested to hear if you have any comments, questions, or suggestions to further improve the Wiki. You can alternatively find people in Freenode channel #bitcoin-wiki (https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=bitcoin-wiki). Note that I am not personally administrating the Wiki, and you should not contact me about Wiki problems (other than hosting). Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: franky1 on March 23, 2014, 12:45:21 AM task one. remove Luke-Jr's editing privileges. he has done more damage then support of facts on the bitcoin wiki over the years.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: Cyrus on March 23, 2014, 12:48:35 AM Glad to see this has been taken care of :).
Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: bridgesro on March 23, 2014, 12:59:14 AM I went to the wiki for the first time in a long time yesterday. I was surprised at home out-of-date and uninformative it was. Hopefully the new management will bring things around for the community. ;)
Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: Micio on March 23, 2014, 01:18:13 AM Really you want to centralize the wiki too?
I can't believe. Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: franky1 on March 23, 2014, 01:52:18 AM Really you want to centralize the wiki too? I can't believe. next stage theymos to take control of ThePiachu's (http://www.reddit.com/user/ThePiachu) reddit mod privileges.. only kidding Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: BTCisthefuture on March 23, 2014, 03:48:38 AM i hope to see the wiki updated and more people having the ability to edit/moderate things on the wiki. it's been really outdated for awhile and no way for people in the community to update it.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: luv2drnkbr on March 23, 2014, 04:32:30 AM task one. remove Luke-Jr's editing privileges. he has done more damage then support of facts on the bitcoin wiki over the years. I was not aware that today was Opposite Day Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: Eri on March 23, 2014, 05:34:12 AM task one. remove Luke-Jr's editing privileges. he has done more damage then support of facts on the bitcoin wiki over the years. Funny you should say that... i remember reading a few things in it that didnt belong and reeked of someones personal motives. Tried to fix it but not interested in paying to fix some turds graffiti. I dont bother with the wiki since its poisoned with bs, cant trust it. Dunno if this was luke or not though. Maybe they can fix the wiki and ban the users that knowingly add false information or opinion as fact. Can we make it so old users can edit the wiki? Maybe some pages might get fixed. Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: bitpop on March 23, 2014, 06:24:45 AM I think Luke should take over the Reddit
Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on March 23, 2014, 06:45:22 AM Really you want to centralize the wiki too? I can't believe. next stage theymos to take control of ThePiachu's (http://www.reddit.com/user/ThePiachu) reddit mod privileges.. only kidding If you're going to go humor... Go big! https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRhFjWwOuxBnjnXoQ76HSdKO4SJCri12JEohk2OkOjmBU5woi7oNw I am curious as to how Mark Karpeles was gotten in touch with to perform the handover. And, since he did it so smoothly, was there really a concern. And, for $350K, how come I still have to get my own fresh cup of coffee? Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: BitCoinDream on March 23, 2014, 07:42:13 AM This is a good step forward IMO. Michael Marquardt is technically doing good in handling this forum and would probably be handling well the wiki infra too. But here is a request for consideration...
Can Wiki be allowed to be edited by everyone with a administrative right to the paid users, i.e. anyone can edit, but that wont be reflected unless approved by paid members ? I think that way more informations may pour in... Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: felipelalli on March 23, 2014, 08:30:40 AM Hi theymos! I suggest you to make a kind of "mining" to edit, i.e., some function (like scrypt) really hard to execute, like find some hash beginning with N zeros. It prevents spammers.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: dooglus on March 23, 2014, 08:32:51 AM task one. remove Luke-Jr's editing privileges. he has done more damage then support of facts on the bitcoin wiki over the years. Funny you should say that... i remember reading a few things in it that didnt belong and reeked of someones personal motives. Tried to fix it but not interested in paying to fix some turds graffiti. Paying wouldn't help. Luke doesn't allow you to fix his graffiti. He doesn't even allow discussion of his junk on the discussion pages. See this edit (https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tonal_Bitcoin&diff=38062&oldid=38044) for example in which he deletes a perfectly reasonable comment from Gavin, or this ugliness (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Units) which he won't allow anyone to fix. We need a simple page explaining the units. It absolutely doesn't need to talk about silly base 16 units that aren't supported and that nobody uses. Check that page's history to see how many times people have tried to fix it only to have Luke revert their fix. Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: bitpop on March 23, 2014, 08:45:08 AM Lol damn I remember this is some old crazy shit https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Tonal_Bitcoin
Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: Kluge on March 23, 2014, 09:09:35 AM Unexpected thread turn.
Lol damn I remember this is some old crazy shit https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Tonal_Bitcoin Luke does version numbers in tonal, too. It has caused some surprises... :D Great, queer guy - does a lot of good work.ETA from the future (so as not to further veer OT in future posts): Wonder why bfg doesnt have tonal version numbers BFG is in tonal, I think. Version 3.10 > 3.9.I am admittedly disappointed to see tonal out of stock Core GUI options (I think someone did make a "TBC" fork, though), which was originally added in 2011 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5276.0). Luke's probably done more to further discourse of tonal numbering than anyone on Earth. I'm too fond of Schoenberg, though. Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: samson on March 23, 2014, 09:20:47 AM Well I learned something today, I've never heard of the 'Tonal' system of numbers before.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: bitpop on March 23, 2014, 09:21:34 AM Unexpected thread turn. Lol damn I remember this is some old crazy shit https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Tonal_Bitcoin Luke does version numbers in tonal, too. It has caused some surprises... :D Great, queer guy - does a lot of good work.Smart people usually have mental illness. See flappy bird, autistic savants, etc. Wonder why bfg doesnt have tonal version numbers Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: irrational on March 23, 2014, 02:48:24 PM Unexpected thread turn. Lol damn I remember this is some old crazy shit https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Tonal_Bitcoin Luke does version numbers in tonal, too. It has caused some surprises... :D Great, queer guy - does a lot of good work.Smart people usually have mental illness. See flappy bird, autistic savants, etc. Wonder why bfg doesnt have tonal version numbers because cgminer didn't.... ::) lol. Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: DobZombie on March 23, 2014, 03:14:20 PM I got the shits with the wiki years ago.
I'd go to look up something and it would throw a university mathematics textbook at me. Google did a better job when I wanted to look up something useful... Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: 5thStreetResearch on March 23, 2014, 03:22:12 PM good news, the wiki is a solid resource
Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: TitanBTC on March 23, 2014, 04:52:17 PM Unexpected thread turn. Lol damn I remember this is some old crazy shit https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Tonal_Bitcoin Luke does version numbers in tonal, too. It has caused some surprises... :D Great, queer guy - does a lot of good work.Smart people usually have mental illness. See flappy bird, autistic savants, etc. Wonder why bfg doesnt have tonal version numbers I love that you mentioned "Flappy Bird" as the first and most prominent example of troubled genius. Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: bitpop on March 23, 2014, 06:08:26 PM Some chain smoke like myself and Flappy bird, we have that in common.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: Eri on March 23, 2014, 08:26:47 PM task one. remove Luke-Jr's editing privileges. he has done more damage then support of facts on the bitcoin wiki over the years. Funny you should say that... i remember reading a few things in it that didnt belong and reeked of someones personal motives. Tried to fix it but not interested in paying to fix some turds graffiti. Paying wouldn't help. Luke doesn't allow you to fix his graffiti. He doesn't even allow discussion of his junk on the discussion pages. See this edit (https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tonal_Bitcoin&diff=38062&oldid=38044) for example in which he deletes a perfectly reasonable comment from Gavin, or this ugliness (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Units) which he won't allow anyone to fix. We need a simple page explaining the units. It absolutely doesn't need to talk about silly base 16 units that aren't supported and that nobody uses. Check that page's history to see how many times people have tried to fix it only to have Luke revert their fix. Maybe we just need a new wiki where hes banned from the start. Id be ok with gavin as a admin, i couldnt imagine him doing stuff like this. Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: bitpop on March 23, 2014, 08:35:56 PM Luke might be crazy but he is a mad genius
Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: irrational on March 23, 2014, 08:54:27 PM Luke might be crazy but he is fixed that for ya Back on topic... What's this I read (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=526853.0) about needing to PAY to having editing privileges on the wiki? Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: bitpop on March 23, 2014, 09:02:47 PM Luke might be crazy but he is fixed that for ya Back on topic... What's this I read (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=526853.0) about needing to PAY to having editing privileges on the wiki? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Special:CryptoPayment I was trying to add 4 super nodes I run but hit a snag Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: halfawake on March 23, 2014, 09:56:04 PM Luke might be crazy but he is fixed that for ya Back on topic... What's this I read (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=526853.0) about needing to PAY to having editing privileges on the wiki? It's true. It's asking me to pay 0.001 bitcoins to edit the wiki, or roughly $0.57. I'd personally prefer to see the same system the Bitcointalk forums used to have, where you just have to have your account active for 3 hours or something before you can edit. (Or go out of the Newbie forum, as it was here.) Oddly, I just noticed the page upped the price to 0.003 bitcoins, which is kind of lame. Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: nanotube on March 23, 2014, 10:09:05 PM It's true. It's asking me to pay 0.001 bitcoins to edit the wiki, or roughly $0.57. I'd personally prefer to see the same system the Bitcointalk forums used to have, where you just have to have your account active for 3 hours or something before you can edit. (Or go out of the Newbie forum, as it was here.) Oddly, I just noticed the page upped the price to 0.003 bitcoins, which is kind of lame. it's an antispam measure, and a pretty effective one at that. so... blame the spammers. the inconsistency in the payment amount is just something we have to fix. it is 0.001 BTC presently, i think (will verify and get back to you). if you really can't afford 50 cents to prove you're not a spammer, feel free to post a request on the wiki subforum, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=168.0, with the following info: - nature of your request ('i want edit rights') - your wiki account username - the languages you want to edit (the language wikis each has separate group rights - we hope to fix this soon) You'll then be granted edit privileges as soon as one of the admins notices your request and finds the time to act on it. Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: franky1 on March 23, 2014, 11:01:13 PM the price to 0.003 bitcoins, which is kind of lame. it's an antispam measure, $1.68 wont stop luke Jr editing out comments which were factually true, but didnt meet with his opinions (eg: litecoin, which he hates) Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: halfawake on March 23, 2014, 11:15:03 PM It's true. It's asking me to pay 0.001 bitcoins to edit the wiki, or roughly $0.57. I'd personally prefer to see the same system the Bitcointalk forums used to have, where you just have to have your account active for 3 hours or something before you can edit. (Or go out of the Newbie forum, as it was here.) Oddly, I just noticed the page upped the price to 0.003 bitcoins, which is kind of lame. it's an antispam measure, and a pretty effective one at that. so... blame the spammers. the inconsistency in the payment amount is just something we have to fix. it is 0.001 BTC presently, i think (will verify and get back to you). if you really can't afford 50 cents to prove you're not a spammer, feel free to post a request on the wiki subforum, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=168.0, with the following info: - nature of your request ('i want edit rights') - your wiki account username - the languages you want to edit (the language wikis each has separate group rights - we hope to fix this soon) You'll then be granted edit privileges as soon as one of the admins notices your request and finds the time to act on it. I can afford it, I just thought it was a bit ridiculous that it told me that the price tripled while I was waiting on that page. Edit: I'm also wondering if there's any point in bothering, given all these comments about a Luke Jr guy editing out comments he doesn't like. That's actually one reason I prefer an open wiki system like wikipedia, given a large enough community, biases get edited out pretty quickly. I would hope that the bitcoin community is large enough that this would be the case, but probably not with the paying to edit requirement, as most people won't bother. Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: bg002h on March 23, 2014, 11:31:38 PM Strong work theymos.
Do you have control of the domain? There are many back links that would break if the domain goes away...getting a dozen mirrors up or migrating the site doesn't fix the back link issue. At any rate, I'm glad you stood up and took on the task. We need doers here and I'm glad to be a supporter. Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: Eri on March 24, 2014, 12:16:03 AM the price to 0.003 bitcoins, which is kind of lame. it's an antispam measure, $1.68 wont stop luke Jr editing out comments which were factually true, but didnt meet with his opinions (eg: litecoin, which he hates) Cant say im a fan of many altcoins and never saw the point of litecoin. Not sure any of it belongs on the bitcoin wiki, though maybe one page for the unique features of altcoins would make sense. Namecoin being one which is entirely unique and well deserves a page of its own. Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: eldentyrell on March 24, 2014, 01:19:08 AM task one. remove Luke-Jr's editing privileges. he has done more damage then support of facts on the bitcoin wiki over the years. I could not disagree more strongly. After numerous attempts to contact the other wiki administrators, none of whom responded over the course of four weeks, Luke-Jr stepped up and did an exceptionally even-handed job resolving an edit dispute on the ICBIT page. The dispute was between the ICBIT operators on the one hand and two people (one of which was me (*)) on the other over their (IMHO false) claims that their users were not exposed to counterparty risk. Here is Luke-Jr's resolution (https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=ICBIT&oldid=41490) of the drawn-out and increasingly ugly conflict, which both ICBIT and myself were satisfied with. Nanotube later tweaked Luke's resolution a bit. Go ahead, read the history and the talk page. Luke did an equitable and careful job resolving the dispute, and that's the most important qualification for that position. I was very impressed and would not hesitate to recommend him as an arbiter of disputes. - e (*) For the record I have never had an account with ICBIT or been involved in any business with them; it's not personal. Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: theymos on March 24, 2014, 01:49:52 AM Strong work theymos. Do you have control of the domain? There are many back links that would break if the domain goes away...getting a dozen mirrors up or migrating the site doesn't fix the back link issue. At any rate, I'm glad you stood up and took on the task. We need doers here and I'm glad to be a supporter. Thanks. Most of the technical work was done by others. I do control the domain (via a trustee service -- you need to be in the EU to be the registrant of a .it domain). Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: shads on March 24, 2014, 11:09:36 PM https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_%28JSON-RPC%29
appears to have turned Chinese. Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: Luke-Jr on March 24, 2014, 11:27:13 PM https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_%28JSON-RPC%29 Looks fine for me, maybe a temporary glitch?appears to have turned Chinese. Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: malevolent on March 24, 2014, 11:40:58 PM https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_%28JSON-RPC%29 appears to have turned Chinese. Same here. Google cached version looks OK. Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: bitpop on March 25, 2014, 02:12:11 AM Yup Chinese. Huawei attacked us. Nsa was right
Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: Luke-Jr on March 25, 2014, 02:29:27 AM Edit: I'm also wondering if there's any point in bothering, given all these comments about a Luke Jr guy editing out comments he doesn't like. Ignore the trolls. I only edit out false claims and vandalism.As long as you stick to facts and opinions, and don't try to censor other facts or opinions, your edits are welcome :) But the 0.001 BTC thing is just antispam. Post your username and someone can whitelist you directly. Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: bg002h on March 25, 2014, 04:59:30 PM Strong work theymos. Do you have control of the domain? There are many back links that would break if the domain goes away...getting a dozen mirrors up or migrating the site doesn't fix the back link issue. At any rate, I'm glad you stood up and took on the task. We need doers here and I'm glad to be a supporter. Thanks. Most of the technical work was done by others. I do control the domain (via a trustee service -- you need to be in the EU to be the registrant of a .it domain). EPIC. Thank you! Thanks for being a backbone of the community! Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: BitCoinDream on March 25, 2014, 05:02:48 PM Did someone notice it => https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=530114.0 ?
Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: halfawake on March 25, 2014, 06:50:42 PM Edit: I'm also wondering if there's any point in bothering, given all these comments about a Luke Jr guy editing out comments he doesn't like. Ignore the trolls. I only edit out false claims and vandalism.As long as you stick to facts and opinions, and don't try to censor other facts or opinions, your edits are welcome :) But the 0.001 BTC thing is just antispam. Post your username and someone can whitelist you directly. Fair enough. My username over there is the same as it is here in the forums, halfawake. Someone should seriously revert all this Chinese stuff someone did recently though. Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: Luke-Jr on March 25, 2014, 07:27:47 PM Someone should seriously revert all this Chinese stuff someone did recently though. This seems to be a server issue... the actual wiki content is correct.But yes, I agree fixing it should be a priority. Unfortunately, nobody working on the server has been able to reproduce it yet, so someone here experiencing the issue may need to stop by #bitcoin-wiki (freenode IRC) to help troubleshoot... Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: bitpop on March 25, 2014, 08:11:56 PM Code: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_%28JSON-RPC%29 Code: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_%28JSON-RPC%29 Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: halfawake on March 25, 2014, 08:14:09 PM Unfortunately, nobody working on the server has been able to reproduce it yet, so someone here experiencing the issue may need to stop by #bitcoin-wiki (freenode IRC) to help troubleshoot... I was just about to do that, but I checked the wiki again and it's showing up correctly again, so it looks like it's been resolved. Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: nanotube on March 26, 2014, 02:32:57 AM My username over there is the same as it is here in the forums, halfawake. done.Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: escrow.ms on March 26, 2014, 02:44:49 AM How to remove pages of old/nonworking sites or services?
Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: nanotube on March 27, 2014, 12:43:54 AM How to remove pages of old/nonworking sites or services? If the site/service had its own page and was of some note, just edit the page and mention that the site no longer exists. I'd suggest to leave the content intact, for the purpose of preserving history. If you are talking about entries in pages which have a "list of $things", just delete entry from the list. Title: Re: Bitcoin Forum now hosting the Bitcoin Wiki Post by: halfawake on March 27, 2014, 01:07:29 AM My username over there is the same as it is here in the forums, halfawake. done.Thanks. |