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Title: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Lorence.xD on August 15, 2020, 06:21:14 AM
The Belt and Road Initiative is a scary neo-domination tactic that China is employing right now. This is a money trap for the poor countries (including mine) that promises prosperity but when in fact it is a ruse to take a piece of a nation's land.

Here is how I understood this money trap works. China is creating a new Silk Road that is not based of lands but most of it are in the water and air, they will offer help to third world countries by giving them funds to create infrastructures like ports, skyscrapers or airfields. There will be a timeframe for this help to be paid and as a poor country they offer exorbitant amount of money which is impossible if not difficult to be paid and then here is where the trap works, when the country can't pay the debt then the other option happens where China will have full control over the infrastructure including the land, basically they are buying lands from this nation without really buying it. Look at what happened to Sri Lanka when they haven't paid their debt.

What is the difference between China and Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany have a Swastika on their flag

Source for what happened to Sri Lanka: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40044113


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Poker Player on August 15, 2020, 07:09:53 AM
I don't see much of a difference between China and the Colonialist countries either, not just the Nazis.

Well, the main difference would be that the Colonialists (including the Nazis) conquered the third-world countries while today China uses trade tactics to subjugate them instead of conquering them militarily.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: audaciousbeing on August 15, 2020, 07:56:22 AM
The Belt and Road Initiative is a scary neo-domination tactic that China is employing right now. This is a money trap for the poor countries (including mine) that promises prosperity but when in fact it is a ruse to take a piece of a nation's land.

Here is how I understood this money trap works. China is creating a new Silk Road that is not based of lands but most of it are in the water and air, they will offer help to third world countries by giving them funds to create infrastructures like ports, skyscrapers or airfields. There will be a timeframe for this help to be paid and as a poor country they offer exorbitant amount of money which is impossible if not difficult to be paid and then here is where the trap works, when the country can't pay the debt then the other option happens where China will have full control over the infrastructure including the land, basically they are buying lands from this nation without really buying it. Look at what happened to Sri Lanka when they haven't paid their debt.

What is the difference between China and Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany have a Swastika on their flag

Source for what happened to Sri Lanka: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40044113

All of these developed countries are just using the third world countries as a pawn in their fight for dominance and because they are rich so they will continue to dominate as much as possible countries across the world. I have read about many African countries running to China for loans for infrastructural development in their various countries thinking that because of the low interest rates they would be able to pay without any issue whatsoever forgetting that that even if its 1% the burden is dependent on the volume of loan collected which would eventually be burdensome in the long run but because the politicians are worried about having infrastructures so that they can use it as a means of campaign to win the next election, they don't care whether they have mortgaged the country's sovereignty.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Lorence.xD on August 15, 2020, 08:25:56 AM
I don't see much of a difference between China and the Colonialist countries either, not just the Nazis.

Well, the main difference would be that the Colonialists (including the Nazis) conquered the third-world countries while today China uses trade tactics to subjugate them instead of conquering them militarily.
You do not get that the comparison was an attempt to humor the situation. The joke flew over your head. Try to read articles about the concentration camps in China and hopefully you will get my attempt at dry humor.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: BIT-BENDER on August 15, 2020, 08:47:38 AM
The problem here is the developing countries that seek such help from China are gullible, this is mostly a corrupt deal, and this is a first hand view. The corrupt leaders from those country -of which am a citizen of - strikes deals with China for loans in huge amounts -loans that never serve any use - and insure use part of their sovereignty as a collateral, off cause China would oblige and sign off such loans already knowing the state of the country.

This countries are losing there sovereignty to China, this might not be paid now but in generations China would control large areas of Africa, which is becoming habitual debtors to China.

This can be solved by
+ Borrowing what can be paid back at the stipulated time
+ Using what was borrowed for a good use,
+ Try killing/stoping the urge to borrow


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Juggy777 on August 15, 2020, 09:02:50 AM
The Belt and Road Initiative is a scary neo-domination tactic that China is employing right now. This is a money trap for the poor countries (including mine) that promises prosperity but when in fact it is a ruse to take a piece of a nation's land.

Here is how I understood this money trap works. China is creating a new Silk Road that is not based of lands but most of it are in the water and air, they will offer help to third world countries by giving them funds to create infrastructures like ports, skyscrapers or airfields. There will be a timeframe for this help to be paid and as a poor country they offer exorbitant amount of money which is impossible if not difficult to be paid and then here is where the trap works, when the country can't pay the debt then the other option happens where China will have full control over the infrastructure including the land, basically they are buying lands from this nation without really buying it. Look at what happened to Sri Lanka when they haven't paid their debt.

What is the difference between China and Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany have a Swastika on their flag

Source for what happened to Sri Lanka: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40044113

@Lorence.xD I was really surprised when I saw the title, because as far as I know China’s economy had taken a big hit due to the pandemic. Also this is not a new news, but ya it’s true that they’re indeed burdening poor country’s by giving them money which they very well know that those country’s can never repay. Lastly this policy is in line with Xi ambition to turn China into a global power by 2049 that beats America at every possible stage, and at current rate I wouldn’t be surprised if he was able to achieve his goals by 2049.

Sources:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/what-china-wants/528561/

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52754782


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: peevekos on August 15, 2020, 09:29:47 AM
The problem here is the developing countries that seek such help from China are gullible, this is mostly a corrupt deal, and this is a first hand view. The corrupt leaders from those country -of which am a citizen of - strikes deals with China for loans in huge amounts -loans that never serve any use - and insure use part of their sovereignty as a collateral, off cause China would oblige and sign off such loans already knowing the state of the country.

This countries are losing there sovereignty to China, this might not be paid now but in generations China would control large areas of Africa, which is becoming habitual debtors to China.

This can be solved by
+ Borrowing what can be paid back at the stipulated time
+ Using what was borrowed for a good use,
+ Try killing/stoping the urge to borrow

The problem is that the reward is so high when partnering with China and their large labour force. If you have that overwhelming GDP that you can tap into and you don't want to it seems irrational.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Lorence.xD on August 15, 2020, 10:14:53 AM
The problem here is the developing countries that seek such help from China are gullible, this is mostly a corrupt deal, and this is a first hand view. The corrupt leaders from those country -of which am a citizen of - strikes deals with China for loans in huge amounts -loans that never serve any use - and insure use part of their sovereignty as a collateral, off cause China would oblige and sign off such loans already knowing the state of the country.

This countries are losing there sovereignty to China, this might not be paid now but in generations China would control large areas of Africa, which is becoming habitual debtors to China.

This can be solved by
+ Borrowing what can be paid back at the stipulated time
+ Using what was borrowed for a good use,
+ Try killing/stoping the urge to borrow

You can't enforce the solutions above, the Party is doing a very irresistible offer. We can't say the countries are gullible maybe the ruling authorities are the gullible ones because they are the ones who decide what is the next step for the country. With regards to borrowing money, the Party is the one declaring the amount they are going to loan and that is the reason why they can't pay for it in the given time frame. The money that was borrowed was put to good use, sea ports and air port promote trade and skyscrapers attract real estate investors. And also why the fuck would a country stop the urge to borrow, remember that they are developing countries so they are open to help that is presented to them no matter the cost, do not try to think of a nation like a hive mind.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: fiulpro on August 15, 2020, 11:22:00 AM
The Belt and Road Initiative is a scary neo-domination tactic that China is employing right now. This is a money trap for the poor countries (including mine) that promises prosperity but when in fact it is a ruse to take a piece of a nation's land.

Here is how I understood this money trap works. China is creating a new Silk Road that is not based of lands but most of it are in the water and air, they will offer help to third world countries by giving them funds to create infrastructures like ports, skyscrapers or airfields. There will be a timeframe for this help to be paid and as a poor country they offer exorbitant amount of money which is impossible if not difficult to be paid and then here is where the trap works, when the country can't pay the debt then the other option happens where China will have full control over the infrastructure including the land, basically they are buying lands from this nation without really buying it. Look at what happened to Sri Lanka when they haven't paid their debt.

What is the difference between China and Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany have a Swastika on their flag

Source for what happened to Sri Lanka: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40044113

See the thing is , everyone is very well aware of what China is doing. China had indebted most of the small nations around like , Pakistan , Sri-Lanka and many more , this way they are one step ahead of all these small nations and with time , this debt is going to increase , which inturns will make the economic situation of these small countries worse , now what they are doing is asking them for small favours in lieu of the debt.

They are using economy to sway politics .

But most of the countries have now started to shift their focus from China to other developing countries like India , if the report is true there are 1000's of countries which are shifting to India . Therefore I do believe this economic superiority will be short lived , in the near future there will be countries which will be shifting the production which inturns will put a leash on the economic boost.

But for right now with the new emerging pandemic potential viruses , I really think they are not as superior as the post potrays them to be.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Jating on August 15, 2020, 11:39:07 AM
I don't see much of a difference between China and the Colonialist countries either, not just the Nazis.

Well, the main difference would be that the Colonialists (including the Nazis) conquered the third-world countries while today China uses trade tactics to subjugate them instead of conquering them militarily.

Yes, the tactics is very different, you just have to look at how they bullied other Southeast Asian countries in the claim for the Scarborough Shoal. It's a hotly contested island wherein several countries also lay claims. But what do the Chinese government do? Occupy that disputed island as one of their own.

They have their own goal, maybe subtle as the Nazi's and I would say that it is a very effective tactic. And as their economy grows, they have somewhat some leverage now more than ever. Not just in Asia, but part of the globe like Africa as well.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: bitbunnny on August 15, 2020, 12:13:34 PM
China is always one step ahead of US and Europe. To my opinion reason for that is their mentality and very different culture, social and political system. It's not the one they should be especialy proud of but obviously it works. They have a very strict defined strategy they follow and they don't care much about human rights and freedom. No matter all the progress and economuc success I don't think this will end well.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: goaldigger on August 15, 2020, 12:21:46 PM
China is always one step ahead of US and Europe. To my opinion reason for that is their mentality and very different culture, social and political system. It's not the one they should be especialy proud of but obviously it works. They have a very strict defined strategy they follow and they don't care much about human rights and freedom. No matter all the progress and economuc success I don't think this will end well.
They always work for money, and work for the government that’s why they are very successful even if there’s a pandemic. While the other countries are keep on protesting questioning the action of the government (especially my country), and the result is very frustrating especially for our frontliners. As long as i’m healthy i’m fine with it, the economy will rise no matter what so don’t panic and follow the rules and guidelines of your government.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Lorence.xD on August 15, 2020, 12:57:12 PM
China is always one step ahead of US and Europe. To my opinion reason for that is their mentality and very different culture, social and political system. It's not the one they should be especialy proud of but obviously it works. They have a very strict defined strategy they follow and they don't care much about human rights and freedom. No matter all the progress and economuc success I don't think this will end well.
The reason that their strategy works is that they do not have any regards for human rights, I hope you know that they are a surveillance state straight out of George Orwell's 1984. Their country is straight out of Black Mirror episode, they have citizenship points in effect in some parts of their country. The reason that they have this authority is because they suffered the century of shame where they are the loser in the wars waged in their lands.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: whyrqa on August 15, 2020, 01:20:56 PM
If we compare China and the United States, then the Chinese government is pursuing a very tough policy towards all large companies and small and medium-sized businesses, where everyone works for the good of the country, and not for the good of their own pockets, as is done in the United States. That is why it is much easier in China to get out of any economic crisis.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: dothebeats on August 15, 2020, 01:34:46 PM
Sadly this is true. Perhaps you can call their scheme as one of the most passive-aggressive debt traps that has been put into place in contemporary times. Though they are not using show of force in obvious reasons, they keep on ramping up their aggressive stance on key areas where they know they could utilize for their own benefit. They are luring most of the countries that seek for their help into a 'great opportunity' while silently working on to expand their own power onto that certain country and the debtor will have no other choice but to comply. The Chinese are the bullies of the modern age, and they have done it without having to flex those military arsenal, and it works flawlessly.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: amishmanish on August 15, 2020, 01:35:35 PM
If we compare China and the United States, then the Chinese government is pursuing a very tough policy towards all large companies and small and medium-sized businesses, where everyone works for the good of the country, and not for the good of their own pockets, as is done in the United States. That is why it is much easier in China to get out of any economic crisis.
China does not have "companies" or "corporations" in the sense that the USA has them. Comparing them is foolishness. What China has are State owned, communist entities whose ultimate aim is to further the Chinese agenda and propaganda. The Chinese masterstroke has been masquerading as an open market to satisfy the western ideas of "Free market entails freer people and hence a vctory for democratic ideals". While chinese government pushed the neo-liberal economics of investments and consumerism on its people, it continued to strengthen its iron grip on the narratives and the minds of people.

What we have as a result is an economic gargantuan which has so embedded itself into the supply chain that it has become indispensable. The Chinese have never lied about their intentions for world domination or reclaiming the throne of "Middle Kingdom". From their treatises on war to present day columns by Chinese hawks, they have always maintained that territorial dominance is their right owing to all sort of medieval history.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: mersal on August 15, 2020, 01:45:42 PM
The Belt and Road Initiative is a scary neo-domination tactic that China is employing right now. This is a money trap for the poor countries (including mine) that promises prosperity but when in fact it is a ruse to take a piece of a nation's land.

Here is how I understood this money trap works. China is creating a new Silk Road that is not based of lands but most of it are in the water and air, they will offer help to third world countries by giving them funds to create infrastructures like ports, skyscrapers or airfields. There will be a timeframe for this help to be paid and as a poor country they offer exorbitant amount of money which is impossible if not difficult to be paid and then here is where the trap works, when the country can't pay the debt then the other option happens where China will have full control over the infrastructure including the land, basically they are buying lands from this nation without really buying it. Look at what happened to Sri Lanka when they haven't paid their debt.

What is the difference between China and Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany have a Swastika on their flag

Source for what happened to Sri Lanka: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40044113
If I remember it correctly, China is doing this for a very long time and almost for three more decades ad slowly capturing the lands of other countries and even creating their own artifical lands on the international water to claim this is their land and every ship passing by has to pay money while entering into the border.Recently USA bullied their action by sending their two battle ship into their claiming land and said we are here and do anything you want.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Lorence.xD on August 15, 2020, 02:25:39 PM
If we compare China and the United States, then the Chinese government is pursuing a very tough policy towards all large companies and small and medium-sized businesses, where everyone works for the good of the country, and not for the good of their own pockets, as is done in the United States. That is why it is much easier in China to get out of any economic crisis.
This so called strict policy is suppression of any company's right to free speech. They are the biggest cancel culture, remember the companies who stand with Hongkong they will gain unfavorable decision from this juggernaut oppressor. Most of this strict policy are enforced because they try to prevent mudslinging targeted at the Party, remember Tianamen Square Massacre, no one talks about it because they successfully suppressed free media, but there will be people who will remember. Regarding the companies, most of them are backed or secretly owned by the Party, one good example of this is Tencent, I wouldn't say that they are better at handling companies unlike USA but they have a way to make the deals with these companies in favor of their government.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: chip1994 on August 15, 2020, 02:41:18 PM
China has a lot of ambitions to invade ever. they always copy other people's ideas to enrich themselves. in addition they are very populous and can produce a lot of goods to get rich easily. they are slowly manipulating in the Middle East and it is very effective.
That is also why Donald Trump must stand up to stop this ambition of China. If China becomes the number one power, there will be a lot of political instability in the future. Do you guys agree with me?


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Latviand on August 15, 2020, 03:27:39 PM
China is always one step ahead of US and Europe.

Although China, US and Europe, have almost the same land mass, you can't deny that China have the most number of population around the world.

With that, their manpower when it comes to manufacturing is really strong that's why their production of goods and products are really massive compared to other country. Chinese labor is their masterpiece that's why their economy is stable and growing.

To my opinion reason for that is their mentality and very different culture, social and political system. It's not the one they should be especialy proud of but obviously it works. They have a very strict defined strategy they follow and they don't care much about human rights and freedom. No matter all the progress and economuc success I don't think this will end well.

When it comes to mentality or mindset, China really prioritize money above else. Being a business-minded person is normal to them, so it is more likely that China is certain to win this economic wars. Their approach towards businesses are really focused on their own success and growth, that's the reason why most of the countries do have a Chinatown.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Mauser on August 15, 2020, 03:45:03 PM
China has a lot of ambitions to invade ever. they always copy other people's ideas to enrich themselves. in addition they are very populous and can produce a lot of goods to get rich easily. they are slowly manipulating in the Middle East and it is very effective.
That is also why Donald Trump must stand up to stop this ambition of China. If China becomes the number one power, there will be a lot of political instability in the future. Do you guys agree with me?

 Sure China has more than a billion people but if you count north America and Europe together the difference in population is not so big anymore. That's why I think comparing China only to USA is wrong. Plus there is no way China will be able to match the military strength of Nato. If China would try to match the nuclear arsenal of USA the public outcry would be immens. At the moment the sanctions against China are very limited, if things would escalate the economic impact would be catastrophic.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Kakmakr on August 15, 2020, 06:13:36 PM
There are definitely some truth to this... Tom Miller wrote a book called, China's Asian Dream : Empire building along the new Silk Road and it gives a detailed explanation on what the Asian dream is and what influence this will have on the world.

China's portfolio of international loans rose from nearly ZERO in 2007 to US$187 Billion in 2013. The 3rd world countries are the juiciest target for the Chinese, because these countries are mostly ruled by corrupt governments.

The unprecedented population growth in China has pushed their government to allow for more than 5 million Chinese citizens to work and live overseas and this was way back in 2017.

In 2014, President Xi quoted Napoleon's old adage about China being a sleeping Lion, which when it wakes will shake the World. He reckons the Lion has already awakened but this Lion is a peaceful, amiable and civilized Lion. (Do you agree that Lions can be like this?)

Source: Quoted directly from the book mentioned above.  ;)


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: teosanru on August 15, 2020, 06:44:20 PM
The Belt and Road Initiative is a scary neo-domination tactic that China is employing right now. This is a money trap for the poor countries (including mine) that promises prosperity but when in fact it is a ruse to take a piece of a nation's land.

Here is how I understood this money trap works. China is creating a new Silk Road that is not based of lands but most of it are in the water and air, they will offer help to third world countries by giving them funds to create infrastructures like ports, skyscrapers or airfields. There will be a timeframe for this help to be paid and as a poor country they offer exorbitant amount of money which is impossible if not difficult to be paid and then here is where the trap works, when the country can't pay the debt then the other option happens where China will have full control over the infrastructure including the land, basically they are buying lands from this nation without really buying it. Look at what happened to Sri Lanka when they haven't paid their debt.

What is the difference between China and Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany have a Swastika on their flag

Source for what happened to Sri Lanka: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40044113
Why only China and Nazi Germany? Isn't every country in the world doing this? How were the colonial Britishers different? How is US different? It's just that when a country other than the Allied Powers start to do this they always have Problem with that country and they try to show that country as a bad villain in front of whole the world. Atleast as of now I see nothing wrong in China's Belt and road Initiatives. These aren't naive countries and China isn't forcing anything on any country. Each country have properly set up government systems who are willingly taking decision to be part of OBOR. China hasn't forced any country so far diplomatically or in any other way. These countries agreed themselves. Yes Sri Lanka did lost the rights of Hanbantota Port but once again it was their own choice to take Chinese funding in first place. China atleast hasn't used Military like USA. Also India too is developing such a strategy called necklace of diamonds to counter China's strategy which too is pretty good. I don't understand why western countries always have problems with development in the east.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: carlisle1 on August 15, 2020, 06:59:32 PM
If we compare China and the United States, then the Chinese government is pursuing a very tough policy towards all large companies and small and medium-sized businesses, where everyone works for the good of the country, and not for the good of their own pockets, as is done in the United States. That is why it is much easier in China to get out of any economic crisis.
This so called strict policy is suppression of any company's right to free speech. They are the biggest cancel culture, remember the companies who stand with Hongkong they will gain unfavorable decision from this juggernaut oppressor. Most of this strict policy are enforced because they try to prevent mudslinging targeted at the Party, remember Tianamen Square Massacre, no one talks about it because they successfully suppressed free media, but there will be people who will remember. Regarding the companies, most of them are backed or secretly owned by the Party, one good example of this is Tencent, I wouldn't say that they are better at handling companies unlike USA but they have a way to make the deals with these companies in favor of their government.

China is under  communist political leaderships, expect that they control everything under their jurisdictions, they are now starting to extend their powers and the tactics is how OP is trying to explained, a very good strategy that they don't need to go to war in order to control another countries but instead they are using their money to penetrates and have the power to control whatever poor countries that will fall to this tactics.

If this will continue and China succeeded to allure more and more third world countries it will extend this political types of administrations. We will wake up one morning that we are already been populated by more Chinese than the local people from our own soil.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Xembin on August 15, 2020, 07:43:18 PM
China enhance the individual adaptability to the changing circumstances of human existence and environment than any other countries of the world. Come to development; China is well prepared individuals for useful and active, social, economy life in society.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: suvo05 on August 15, 2020, 07:45:15 PM
This kind of winning does not bring any good for anyone. It not bringing any good fortune for the Chinese peoples, not for even the current ruling party. This kind of aggression is kind of a call for the destruction. What china is doing is pure aggression https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3azv88/china-thinks-it-can-arrest-basically-anyone-on-the-planet-for-criticizing-communism (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3azv88/china-thinks-it-can-arrest-basically-anyone-on-the-planet-for-criticizing-communism) and they have to pay for it in future.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: royalfestus on August 15, 2020, 08:09:07 PM
Most of the policies that enslave these 3rd world countries are not new and the agreement is written in black and white but the leaders in those countries are not smart enough to understand the demand and weakness of the agreement. It doesnt look like a mistake when it comes in different countries from the same continent whereas it doesnt come up in the same Asia continent and other continent. The last trade agreement of china with USA was even difficult for China to fulfilled because of the smartness of their leaders.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: leyton11 on August 15, 2020, 08:18:51 PM
Politicians in the Chinese government have always had an idea of wanting to dominate the world, so they came up with many ways to take that country without resorting to force. This is a very good way that China is tacitly capturing some of the properties and land of many countries. Besides, there is also conspiracy theories that the Chinese government wants to launch its viral biological weapons to wreak havoc on the economies of the countries. Hopefully, the rest of the world will see the mind of those dictators and prevent them in any way.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: cabron on August 15, 2020, 08:46:14 PM


Sri Lanka created build projects that weren't really profitable and unused.

Iran I believe is the next country where China is investing and China is also offering investment and even military partnership. As long as Iran decides not to sell an area of their land like what US did then they wouldn't fall for it.  US sold lands to Chinese and the Chinese owners sold it to China. Now China owns some farms in US.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: CarnagexD on August 15, 2020, 09:13:53 PM
China is always one step ahead of US and Europe.

Although China, US and Europe, have almost the same land mass, you can't deny that China have the most number of population around the world.
And that means more manpower for China, this is why the reproduction rate in China is the highest in the world coz in terms of number of worker and employee they are the leading one. This is the effect of having a business culture in China, more business more worker, more money, and more power. The gap between the number of employee in America and China is significantly high, America has only 130 million employee, while China has 806 million in 2018, billion in 2019. But still China is having a lack of employment since they have the most population in the world. It is not quite proportion I can say.

To my opinion reason for that is their mentality and very different culture, social and political system. It's not the one they should be especialy proud of but obviously it works. They have a very strict defined strategy they follow and they don't care much about human rights and freedom. No matter all the progress and economuc success I don't think this will end well.

When it comes to mentality or mindset, China really prioritize money above else. Being a business-minded person is normal to them, so it is more likely that China is certain to win this economic wars. Their approach towards businesses are really focused on their own success and growth, that's the reason why most of the countries do have a Chinatown.
They live with business in their mind, that's how thoughtful the chinese are. They don't study, have a degree then work, they are studying to be a businessman in the future. Chinese has the money on their head all the time and that's their power.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: verita1 on August 15, 2020, 09:24:52 PM
The analysis is reasonable because China has to make ta lks with emerging countries because the more developed countries have been indifferent to it.
Due while nations fight the pendemic they are contending China geopolitically. Because obviously they are not ready for the global economic recovery.

In the 2008 crisis, there were strategic alliances between the developed countries and the crisis came out quickly. We still don't know how it would happen this time.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: arallmuus on August 15, 2020, 09:44:52 PM
China is under  communist political leaderships, expect that they control everything under their jurisdictions, they are now starting to extend their powers and the tactics is how OP is trying to explained, a very good strategy that they don't need to go to war in order to control another countries but instead they are using their money to penetrates and have the power to control whatever poor countries that will fall to this tactics.

Not only China though, there are tons of other country that does this as well even US. It may not seems as harsh as how China does this but you do know for a fact that if a country put up a good amount of money in another country, those country will receive some privilleges. So how does this different from China?

Besides that I dont really see how is that an issue though. Basically China wont be giving you free money without signing any deal to repay them. If the country sign them, that means they should already know the consequences incase they wont be able to pay. If they have no ability to pay, then they shouldnt be taking those money in the first place


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: hulla on August 15, 2020, 09:52:10 PM
OP, you are spreading negative information about the Chinese government and I don't think this is good for every one of us because the source of the debt Sri Lanka's own the Chinese government was their previous President Mahinda Rajapaksa. However, every third world country usually signs an agreement of a firm stake in some portion of the industry they borrowed funds to build if they are struggling to repay the loan till the loan is totally paid in full.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Lorence.xD on August 16, 2020, 03:23:55 AM
OP, you are spreading negative information about the Chinese government and I don't think this is good for every one of us because the source of the debt Sri Lanka's own the Chinese government was their previous President Mahinda Rajapaksa. However, every third world country usually signs an agreement of a firm stake in some portion of the industry they borrowed funds to build if they are struggling to repay the loan till the loan is totally paid in full.
No, I am not spreading it, I am merely scratching the surface on these so called negativity about the country. Have you heard about the Concentration camps for the Uyghurs which is mostly Muslim population? Have you heard about Tianamen Square Massacre? Did you know that China is a surveillance state?

If you think about idolizing China, do some searching on the web, they have articles about the questions above. You should know better not to side with China on this matter. Regarding the debt, you think that it is fair to take the infrastructure and the land? And do not forget that they replaced most of the employees to Chinese citizen, so basically China has a land in Sri Lanka. I do not spread negative information, I am just telling the truth.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Ayiranorea on August 16, 2020, 03:35:53 AM
OP, you are spreading negative information about the Chinese government and I don't think this is good for every one of us because the source of the debt Sri Lanka's own the Chinese government was their previous President Mahinda Rajapaksa. However, every third world country usually signs an agreement of a firm stake in some portion of the industry they borrowed funds to build if they are struggling to repay the loan till the loan is totally paid in full.
There is nothing as negativity with the thread. The economy plan of china through the silk road development is being briefed. There is nothing bad spread against the Chinese government. China is competing and compared against the economic development of USA. To keep them on the track China tries to have control on the neighbouring countries. The true plan of China isn't been still understood by the countries supported by China.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Yaunfitda on August 16, 2020, 03:36:35 AM
OP, you are spreading negative information about the Chinese government and I don't think this is good for every one of us because the source of the debt Sri Lanka's own the Chinese government was their previous President Mahinda Rajapaksa. However, every third world country usually signs an agreement of a firm stake in some portion of the industry they borrowed funds to build if they are struggling to repay the loan till the loan is totally paid in full.
If you think about idolizing China, do some searching on the web, they have articles about the questions above. You should know better not to side with China on this matter. Regarding the debt, you think that it is fair to take the infrastructure and the land? And do not forget that they replaced most of the employees to Chinese citizen, so basically China has a land in Sri Lanka. I do not spread negative information, I am just telling the truth.
I don't idolize China, in fact there suposedly "made in china" projects are cheap but of low quality. It just shows you how those Chinese are creating products that are inferior and yet spread them out across the globe to make money, economics 101. And they seems to spread out not just in Asia. In my country alone, you will see a lot of Chinese owning big corporations and really like we are turning into another Chinese territory. But we can't do anything, our country is in debt with the Chinese and give them a free pass.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Lorence.xD on August 16, 2020, 06:06:47 AM
But we can't do anything, our country is in debt with the Chinese and give them a free pass.

We can do something about it, in my opinion the governing authorities are the problem because they try to dance at the palm of these Chinese investors while on the other end of spectrum, China is having a tight leash on the foreign companies. We could do the same thing but most of the third world leaders are mostly stupid, corrupt or too scared to even stand up for once. It makes me sad that Chinese citizen is welcome in my country but mine is not.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: KnightElite on August 16, 2020, 08:19:01 AM
OP, you are spreading negative information about the Chinese government and I don't think this is good for every one of us because the source of the debt Sri Lanka's own the Chinese government was their previous President Mahinda Rajapaksa. However, every third world country usually signs an agreement of a firm stake in some portion of the industry they borrowed funds to build if they are struggling to repay the loan till the loan is totally paid in full.
There is nothing as negativity with the thread. The economy plan of china through the silk road development is being briefed. There is nothing bad spread against the Chinese government. China is competing and compared against the economic development of USA. To keep them on the track China tries to have control on the neighbouring countries. The true plan of China isn't been still understood by the countries supported by China.
The government of China is really smart and they are now dominating the world, their performance in these past years are keep increasing and they keep climbing up in the ladders in terms of ranking country's power. Actually there is a popular meme right now in my country and it is about reverse card because a lot of country banned flight from China but now it seems that the China banning a lot of commercial flights from a lot of countries. Observe their economy, the stock market their fall but it bounce back easily because they curb the infected persons. The people in China are now living in normal. We should be aware that most of the equipments using in hospitals to treat and prrvent covid are been made in China and been distributed around the world. What I want to just say is Chinese government is so smart and they are really winning while a lot of countries are still suffering because of the pandemic.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: bitgolden on August 16, 2020, 08:43:39 AM
In order for China to drop down other nations have to get out, and until they find a cheaper and better place they are not going to get out.

Right now facebook and apple and some other big ones are switching their work force to India slowly, they are not doing it right away but they are doing it slowly, that means eventually one day there will not be any apple product from china and most of it will be from India with some of it from other smaller nations like Vietnam or whatever. That is why I think China is buying so many companies out and they are building so many of their own companies, because they know that building and manufacturing stuff for other companies will eventually end, so they need to have their own source of income in order to keep being a big power and they are doing that very well too.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Assface16678 on August 16, 2020, 08:53:47 AM
Recently I watch about this kind of things doing by the china they are allowing the other countries to make a loan to their country and there is a good impact too to the country who borrowed the money from China because they can now help their community like

Build infrastructure.
Clean their country
Fight for crime
Empower their government

With the use, the use of that money but think again, what if you didn't pay all of that debt the only thing that the china will do right now is you just need to allow them to control your countries like the import and export and more there are a lot of countries right now falling on this trap.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: MCobian on August 16, 2020, 09:10:19 AM
This is the reason why China can become a large country that rivals America, even the Chinese economy is among the strongest.
China, like other colonialist countries, prefers to rule and control the world, not fighting militarily but choosing the economy war.
One of the strategies is money trapping against several poor countries as explained in the opening post. Therefore, being careful
with offers of assistance from a colonialist country like China must be done, if our country don't want to have the same fate with
the country of Sri Lanka.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on August 16, 2020, 12:07:08 PM
China will remain as the manufacturing powerhouse for the next few decades. They have the perfect combination of productive workers, low wages and lax regulations. There are countries such as India and Indonesia, where the wages are much lower. But they are plagued with issues such as red tape, bureaucracy and unproductive workforce.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Kelvinid on August 16, 2020, 12:35:04 PM
China will remain as the manufacturing powerhouse for the next few decades. They have the perfect combination of productive workers, low wages and lax regulations. There are countries such as India and Indonesia, where the wages are much lower. But they are plagued with issues such as red tape, bureaucracy and unproductive workforce.
That is because China leaders lead their people to work and they allow young minds to become productive and be useful to their country. They are all taking part in their economic growth unlike in India and Indonesia.

We ought to blame China for this crisis and a huge business deal. Almost all countries are getting medical supplies from them, in fact, not only that, we are almost getting everything from them, gadgets, equipment and etc...
I/We feel the conspiracy with the current situation but only a few countries have been firing them back while the others keep silent and just listening.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: AniviaBtc on August 16, 2020, 12:41:57 PM
Obviously, they are. In China, the number of covid cases right now are only 600+ even if the virus originated from them. That is a sign that they are having a good control and steps towards handling this Covid-19 virus in their country. With that, possibly the businesses in their country are operating so that their economy is not that much affected. Being a country with a business-minded mindset is really what helps their economy become stable and grow. You can't deny that they are really having a massive manufacturing companies that operates in their country and being a communist country is an advantage for them. US really have a downward movement in its stock market but they don't have any choice but to fight for it.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Lorence.xD on August 17, 2020, 03:23:18 AM
In order for China to drop down other nations have to get out, and until they find a cheaper and better place they are not going to get out.

Right now facebook and apple and some other big ones are switching their work force to India slowly, they are not doing it right away but they are doing it slowly, that means eventually one day there will not be any apple product from china and most of it will be from India with some of it from other smaller nations like Vietnam or whatever. That is why I think China is buying so many companies out and they are building so many of their own companies, because they know that building and manufacturing stuff for other companies will eventually end, so they need to have their own source of income in order to keep being a big power and they are doing that very well too.
This is a very bold move for Western companies to move their production in other countries, I have heard that Apple is on its last preparations to go to India for the production facility, this will be a big blow because Apple have a lot of factories in China which will surely affect labor force.

China will remain as the manufacturing powerhouse for the next few decades. They have the perfect combination of productive workers, low wages and lax regulations. There are countries such as India and Indonesia, where the wages are much lower. But they are plagued with issues such as red tape, bureaucracy and unproductive workforce.
The lax regulations in my opinion is the reason that they have a cheap labor, with workers not having a safety work environment and for this reason the costs are cut into just paying wage for the workers, they also abuse the fact that Chinese people are industrious and use it to get them work for longer hours. Regarding red tape, I do not have that much say but they have a very strict policy regarding corruption, this is the most admirable thing that I know of (I might be wrong in this).


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Savemore on August 17, 2020, 03:36:30 AM
Obviously, they are. In China, the number of covid cases right now are only 600+ even if the virus originated from them. That is a sign that they are having a good control and steps towards handling this Covid-19 virus in their country. With that, possibly the businesses in their country are operating so that their economy is not that much affected. Being a country with a business-minded mindset is really what helps their economy become stable and grow. You can't deny that they are really having a massive manufacturing companies that operates in their country and being a communist country is an advantage for them. US really have a downward movement in its stock market but they don't have any choice but to fight for it.
Their health protocols is good that is the reason why they managed to end the spreading of the virus in their country in just short period of time. The virus originated from them but they did not suffer like the other countries because a lot of countries are still having a hard time to fight the pandemic. Like in U.S. even though they have the best medical facilities in the world, a lot of people are still dying because of the virus because their health protocols are not strict like in China. A lot of people there do not believe that the virus is really existing and it is the reason why a lot are been infected. Actually you are wrong because even though a lot of people are still have the virus, the stock market in the US are keep making all time high especially the indices.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on August 17, 2020, 05:12:16 AM
China will remain as the manufacturing powerhouse for the next few decades. They have the perfect combination of productive workers, low wages and lax regulations. There are countries such as India and Indonesia, where the wages are much lower. But they are plagued with issues such as red tape, bureaucracy and unproductive workforce.
The lax regulations in my opinion is the reason that they have a cheap labor, with workers not having a safety work environment and for this reason the costs are cut into just paying wage for the workers, they also abuse the fact that Chinese people are industrious and use it to get them work for longer hours. Regarding red tape, I do not have that much say but they have a very strict policy regarding corruption, this is the most admirable thing that I know of (I might be wrong in this).

Incidents of work related accidents are much lower in China when compared to the other countries. That means that even with lax regulations, they are maintaining high security standards. And higher productivity doesn't necessarily mean working for longer hours. While working, the Chinese workers concentrate on nothing else and they maintain very high standards.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Kong Hey Pakboy on August 17, 2020, 08:54:19 AM
China is really defeating other countries in its economy, and even the coronavirus originated from China. They were still able to manage and have full control to stop the virus from spreading with the help of their discipline citizens. It is why they already have lifted their lockdown and became more productive for their economy to become stable and grow in the middle of this crisis.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: mezzaluna on August 17, 2020, 12:19:00 PM
The Belt and Road Initiative is a scary neo-domination tactic that China is employing right now. This is a money trap for the poor countries (including mine) that promises prosperity but when in fact it is a ruse to take a piece of a nation's land.

Here is how I understood this money trap works. China is creating a new Silk Road that is not based of lands but most of it are in the water and air, they will offer help to third world countries by giving them funds to create infrastructures like ports, skyscrapers or airfields. There will be a timeframe for this help to be paid and as a poor country they offer exorbitant amount of money which is impossible if not difficult to be paid and then here is where the trap works, when the country can't pay the debt then the other option happens where China will have full control over the infrastructure including the land, basically they are buying lands from this nation without really buying it. Look at what happened to Sri Lanka when they haven't paid their debt.


It will be natural that China will be the first one to have a better economy here in Southeast Asia. It is true that it originated from their country but having no travel ban to other countries is such a careless way to take care of their people. They must have just let their people have their own way and spread the virus all over the world and it will be eventually them that can control of the virus because they are the first one to have it. They can control it because they have the opportunity to monetize their time creating some ways to prevent it.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: famososMuertos on August 17, 2020, 03:44:18 PM
What is new here?
Nothing!.
This has been happening for a long time, so much so that in order not to go that far, perhaps we have to start in the first industrial revolution, technology, economic power has always been imperialist, 300 years can be quite optimistic to include it in a contemporary framework.

If China does what it does, the question is how they allow it, where are the bureaucratic entities, created by the countries of the world and led by the first countries of the developed world to achieve a just world. The UN, what is the use?

It is merely hypocrisy, politicians selling our resources to get cash. Forever, unfair way in its payment characteristics, of those loans.

Example: Resources managed for 20-30 years, 80% profit for Chinese companies, hopefully 20% for governments and something for the people.

This is known! because they allow it ...

Here there is no war against small countries;
Arrows, sticks and machetes against bullets, it has never been fair.
But it seems that undermining countries, with old imperialist techniques, if it is.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: justdimin on August 17, 2020, 08:05:15 PM
China is really defeating other countries in its economy, and even the coronavirus originated from China. They were still able to manage and have full control to stop the virus from spreading with the help of their discipline citizens. It is why they already have lifted their lockdown and became more productive for their economy to become stable and grow in the middle of this crisis.
They were able to control the corona virus because they have a dictator sort of government and everyone is forced to obey them if they want to avoid any gruesome punishments from their government. While in democratic countries it is hard to contain the virus because people feel like they are free to do anything they like and don't have to listen to the orders passed by government and even caught are barely punished.

China was able to control the deaths and cases also because of their flexibility in terms of changes the made and the speed at which they made new hospitals and increased the number of tests.

China gets a lot of flake but I really wonder if they are to be blamed because they themselves got hit and if they managed to contain it while others cannot, this surely is not their mistake rather the un-adaptability of others to react.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: lixer on August 17, 2020, 09:07:07 PM
China will remain as the manufacturing powerhouse for the next few decades.
True, but will they be able to export their products like before? the answer should be NO because trades across borders are now slowed down and stopped and everyone hates China for the virus we are all a victim of, even if China is the real culprit or not that doesn't matter and even USA has taken strict decisions.

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But they are plagued with issues such as red tape, bureaucracy and unproductive workforce
Unproductive workers is a result of lack of education and no practical knowledge being given to the graduates in most countries, we are only producing animals from universities unless we teach them how to start their own business. Right now anyone who graduates from universities is just looking to get a job, some agree for a higher pay while some for lower wages. The problem is, we need more entrepreneurs than workers.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: ololajulo on August 17, 2020, 09:19:43 PM

True, but will they be able to export their products like before? the answer should be NO because trades across borders are now slowed down and stopped and everyone hates China for the virus we are all a victim of, even if China is the real culprit or not that doesn't matter and even USA has taken strict decisions.
China's population is of the 4x the size of America and 20% of the world population, the population itself is large enough to be satisfy. Taking care of other countries around the world is just like looking for a little extra to take away and something to save for the country. USA is not capable enough to fight China alone and the leadership at the moment is the challenging part with others nations relationship. One will be surprised how trade are still going on among the countries with present restrictions.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: beerlover on August 17, 2020, 09:22:32 PM
I feel like China could get stronger from this pandemic war thing and afterwards. They had the first one and they have worked towards getting better and according to everything they are saying they basically beat it by record speed because they closed it down and build a hospital there from simple stuff and just recovered everyone and let the country get back to how it was before anything could happen.

I am saying that if they are right and they really get rid of it without anything bad happening, that means they should basically be stronger by a mile right now, look at USA and other countries they had it during spring and they still do have it in summer a bit but getting better and even with that economy went down but right now recovering, China had it in autumn, by winter it was almost over, they must be doing MUCH better thanks to timing of it.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Sanitough on August 17, 2020, 09:33:56 PM
I don't understand why other countries struggle to control the spread of the covid-19 while China as the first country who tallied the highest cases were able to control it and it does not have to reach 100,000 cases unlike other countries who already have millions of infections.

This sounds weird to other people, that's why they accuse china of spreading the virus and not telling to the world they already have the vaccine, there's a lot of theories that are going out but none of these matters anymore now.

So yes, China is winning as they are ahead of any of us, while some countries put limitations on the economic operation, China are already full blast now, they even supply face mask and everything needed to prevent and combat covid-19 from spreading.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: AmoreJaz on August 17, 2020, 09:46:39 PM
I don't understand why other countries struggle to control the spread of the covid-19 while China as the first country who tallied the highest cases were able to control it and it does not have to reach 100,000 cases unlike other countries who already have millions of infections.

This sounds weird to other people, that's why they accuse china of spreading the virus and not telling to the world they already have the vaccine, there's a lot of theories that are going out but none of these matters anymore now.

So yes, China is winning as they are ahead of any of us, while some countries put limitations on the economic operation, China are already full blast now, they even supply face mask and everything needed to prevent and combat covid-19 from spreading.

though there are so many conspiracy theories surrounding about this pandemic. but i guess, one thing that China did was strict lockdown before. i think that's their advantage, they had stopped the infection early, though not fully. and afterwards, strict health protocols. also, take note that their numbers are really not the actual numbers. some were not reported. anyway, i believe there is no winner in this pandemic. the global population is suffering and not one country can address these problems


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: ultrloa on August 17, 2020, 09:47:20 PM
I don't understand why other countries struggle to control the spread of the covid-19 while China as the first country who tallied the highest cases were able to control it and it does not have to reach 100,000 cases unlike other countries who already have millions of infections.

This sounds weird to other people, that's why they accuse china of spreading the virus and not telling to the world they already have the vaccine, there's a lot of theories that are going out but none of these matters anymore now.

So yes, China is winning as they are ahead of any of us, while some countries put limitations on the economic operation, China are already full blast now, they even supply face mask and everything needed to prevent and combat covid-19 from spreading.

I don't want to point fingers here but I'm kinda have a suspicious feeling that they know on how to defeat covid but they keep it as a secret so that the other country will suffer and they will lead on the economic race. And see what happen now china is powerful country due to this incident.

But I really think china have the vaccine since imagine how fast they control the situation and the casualty there is so low.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: CarnagexD on August 17, 2020, 10:34:54 PM
China will remain as the manufacturing powerhouse for the next few decades.
True, but will they be able to export their products like before? the answer should be NO because trades across borders are now slowed down and stopped and everyone hates China for the virus we are all a victim of, even if China is the real culprit or not that doesn't matter and even USA has taken strict decisions.
China know how to play games, just search how many countries that has a debt to China, As I am guessing, I think China will give some debt deduction when the country opens their exportation of their product and that means getting a profit for China while paying the debt for another countries. America has a trillion $ debt to China which will likely be paid FOREVER coz it will keep rising and that's a trap by China. Disclaimer only fools would believe that the virus is made scientifically by China, America already stated that it existed and born naturally from strains. I mean, I hate China from different reason but not this one. LOL

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But they are plagued with issues such as red tape, bureaucracy and unproductive workforce
Unproductive workers is a result of lack of education and no practical knowledge being given to the graduates in most countries, we are only producing animals from universities unless we teach them how to start their own business. Right now anyone who graduates from universities is just looking to get a job, some agree for a higher pay while some for lower wages. The problem is, we need more entrepreneurs than workers.
Education system is rigged actually, not more than 50% will be taught in school to get your own life, that's a fact. Unproductive workers reflects how bad it is for most countries to let their people be graduated without proper skills. We need entrepreneurs than workers, just for the count being an entrepreneur is not easy it requires a lot for just a normal people to have it, it is not just about the idea you have thought of, it is becoming your idea with your resources.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: hulla on August 17, 2020, 11:23:16 PM
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OP, you are spreading negative information about the Chinese government and I don't think this is good for every one of us because the source of the debt Sri Lanka's own the Chinese government was their previous President Mahinda Rajapaksa. However, every third world country usually signs an agreement of a firm stake in some portion of the industry they borrowed funds to build if they are struggling to repay the loan till the loan is totally paid in full.
No, I am not spreading it, I am merely scratching the surface on these so called negativity about the country. Have you heard about the Concentration camps for the Uyghurs which is mostly Muslim population? Have you heard about Tianamen Square Massacre? Did you know that China is a surveillance state?
Almost everybody around the world is aware that China is a surveillance country which also one of the reason why the last year protest occurred.

If you think about idolizing China, do some searching on the web, they have articles about the questions above. You should know better not to side with China on this matter. Regarding the debt, you think that it is fair to take the infrastructure and the land? And do not forget that they replaced most of the employees to Chinese citizen, so basically China has a land in Sri Lanka. I do not spread negative information, I am just telling the truth.
I dont idolizing the Chinese government neither did I side them. What I'm trying to point out is that what they did to Sri Lanka's when they are unable to pay the debt is normal. Mind you, it not that they took the infrastructure and land as you said because they are to receive some % of the port income until the debt is pay in full. Besides, it the contract they both signed and US, Germany also does that either.


OP, you are spreading negative information about the Chinese government and I don't think this is good for every one of us because the source of the debt Sri Lanka's own the Chinese government was their previous President Mahinda Rajapaksa. However, every third world country usually signs an agreement of a firm stake in some portion of the industry they borrowed funds to build if they are struggling to repay the loan till the loan is totally paid in full.
There is nothing as negativity with the thread. The economy plan of china through the silk road development is being briefed. There is nothing bad spread against the Chinese government. China is competing and compared against the economic development of USA. To keep them on the track China tries to have control on the neighbouring countries. The true plan of China isn't been still understood by the countries supported by China.
But he missunderstand what was written in the manuscript link he shared concern what in Sri Lanka's and the control of neighboring countries are what 95% of all developed countries does lets be honest here.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: bits4books on August 18, 2020, 06:13:37 AM
Words such as "What is the difference between China and Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany have a Swastika on their flag " are relevant rather for the period of the Cultural Revolution (then really terrible things happened). Now China is gradually becoming what the rest of the time was the United States-an industrial and scientific world hegemon that everyone fears only because of such a huge force. Whether this is good or bad is unclear but the fact remains that China is the engine of the world economy and if it stops it will happen "new 2008" when the US collapsed. Here is and think that better-apples or pears.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on August 18, 2020, 06:25:43 AM
Words such as "What is the difference between China and Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany have a Swastika on their flag " are relevant rather for the period of the Cultural Revolution (then really terrible things happened). Now China is gradually becoming what the rest of the time was the United States-an industrial and scientific world hegemon that everyone fears only because of such a huge force. Whether this is good or bad is unclear but the fact remains that China is the engine of the world economy and if it stops it will happen "new 2008" when the US collapsed. Here is and think that better-apples or pears.

A decade back, everyone were talking about China overtaking the United States to become the no.1 economy in the globe. But that has not happened, because Chinese economic growth has slowed down. American brands such as Apple, Boeing, Amazon, Walmart, and Microsoft remains a step ahead of their Chinese competitors. It will take decades for the Chinese corporations to compete with them.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: abhiseshakana on August 18, 2020, 06:43:22 AM
China know how to play games, just search how many countries that has a debt to China, As I am guessing, I think China will give some debt deduction when the country opens their exportation of their product and that means getting a profit for China while paying the debt for another countries. America has a trillion $ debt to China which will likely be paid FOREVER coz it will keep rising and that's a trap by China. Disclaimer only fools would believe that the virus is made scientifically by China, America already stated that it existed and born naturally from strains. I mean, I hate China from different reason but not this one. LOL

China is very good at propaganda and wraps colonialism 5.0 with the OBOR program. BRI only promises development in all countries but does not guarantee growth because the wealth of a country is siphoned off by China through the tribute that these countries have to pay to China. Through OBOR China uses its sharp power to ensure food, economic, and social security for its large number of citizens. OBOR provides guaranteed employment, guarantees the circulation of money in China and what is very interesting is an additional guarantee of foreign exchange dollars going to China.

Unfortunately, many government officials and statesmen in many countries do not understand China's strategy, instead they give a welcome to China.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Eugenar on August 18, 2020, 06:02:16 PM
It became obvious during the pandemic. Even if the problem exist, their production is non-stop in the aspect of services and more. This I think is the reason why many countries had/ are having thoughts that the virus is intended to be made and to be used against others regions. Unlike other countries wherein if one area is negatively affected by a phenomenon, many things are making the adjustment, hence the whole country is affevted perhaps in this case. The way how they cope up with problems and development simply boosts their economy to be on top of other countries.

No one really knows if the problem we are all experiencing is part of their economic strategy except the country itself. Making an assumption will just more likely move the focus away from what should be done, which is to engage with solving the problem right now.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: 50 Cent on August 18, 2020, 10:07:09 PM
The Belt and Road Initiative is a scary neo-domination tactic that China is employing right now. This is a money trap for the poor countries (including mine) that promises prosperity but when in fact it is a ruse to take a piece of a nation's land.

Here is how I understood this money trap works. China is creating a new Silk Road that is not based of lands but most of it are in the water and air, they will offer help to third world countries by giving them funds to create infrastructures like ports, skyscrapers or airfields. There will be a timeframe for this help to be paid and as a poor country they offer exorbitant amount of money which is impossible if not difficult to be paid and then here is where the trap works, when the country can't pay the debt then the other option happens where China will have full control over the infrastructure including the land, basically they are buying lands from this nation without really buying it. Look at what happened to Sri Lanka when they haven't paid their debt.

What is the difference between China and Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany have a Swastika on their flag

Source for what happened to Sri Lanka: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40044113

think China wants to beat the domination of the USA as a superpower,
Without a doubt who has the money and power, he will win.
as we know, the population of china is more than 6 billion,
and they need resources, land, food, and perhaps land for their new place.
so they take advantage of that "money" moment to benefit themselves.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Lorence.xD on August 19, 2020, 03:27:47 AM
the population of china is more than 6 billion,
Get your facts straight boy, no country has exceeded the 2 billion population mark, what are you smoking?

It became obvious during the pandemic. Even if the problem exist, their production is non-stop in the aspect of services and more. This I think is the reason why many countries had/ are having thoughts that the virus is intended to be made and to be used against others regions. Unlike other countries wherein if one area is negatively affected by a phenomenon, many things are making the adjustment, hence the whole country is affevted perhaps in this case. The way how they cope up with problems and development simply boosts their economy to be on top of other countries.

No one really knows if the problem we are all experiencing is part of their economic strategy except the country itself. Making an assumption will just more likely move the focus away from what should be done, which is to engage with solving the problem right now.
Let me widen your perspective on why I believe China is winning the economy wars, one of them is their exclusive stock market, they do not allow foreign investments get out of the confines of their stock market which means that the money is circulating inside. Another is the real estate bubble, they have built so many ghost cities that will help make the bubble expand(I do not know much about real estate bubble but I know that there are a lot of ghost cities in China), they are pioneering high-end technology with specialization towards surveillance and the growth of tech cities increased over the decade. Now I do not believe too much on the conspiracy that the virus spread intentionally, I think that it is a lousy way to point fingers and blame rather than solve the problem at hand.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Reatim on August 19, 2020, 04:39:24 AM
The Belt and Road Initiative is a scary neo-domination tactic that China is employing right now. This is a money trap for the poor countries (including mine) that promises prosperity but when in fact it is a ruse to take a piece of a nation's land.

Here is how I understood this money trap works. China is creating a new Silk Road that is not based of lands but most of it are in the water and air, they will offer help to third world countries by giving them funds to create infrastructures like ports, skyscrapers or airfields. There will be a timeframe for this help to be paid and as a poor country they offer exorbitant amount of money which is impossible if not difficult to be paid and then here is where the trap works, when the country can't pay the debt then the other option happens where China will have full control over the infrastructure including the land, basically they are buying lands from this nation without really buying it. Look at what happened to Sri Lanka when they haven't paid their debt.

What is the difference between China and Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany have a Swastika on their flag

Source for what happened to Sri Lanka: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40044113

think China wants to beat the domination of the USA as a superpower,
Without a doubt who has the money and power, he will win.
as we know, the population of china is more than 6 billion,
and they need resources, land, food, and perhaps land for their new place.
so they take advantage of that "money" moment to benefit themselves.
Thats why there are a Trade war against USA and China because none of these country wants to lower their belt and make peace instead they choose to continue this war that affect the economy of both parties though i believe that the most affected is USA.
China can stand on their own because there are so many countries that asking for their help also considering that their ally now is Russia that we also know one of the growing country now.



I support OP for this since it is obvious that Chinese is winning all the wars they are engaging now.

But i hope without taking advantage about the weakness of other small countries.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Cvetik56 on August 19, 2020, 09:41:40 AM
Words such as "What is the difference between China and Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany have a Swastika on their flag " are relevant rather for the period of the Cultural Revolution (then really terrible things happened). Now China is gradually becoming what the rest of the time was the United States-an industrial and scientific world hegemon that everyone fears only because of such a huge force. Whether this is good or bad is unclear but the fact remains that China is the engine of the world economy and if it stops it will happen "new 2008" when the US collapsed. Here is and think that better-apples or pears.
A decade back, everyone were talking about China overtaking the United States to become the no.1 economy in the globe. But that has not happened, because Chinese economic growth has slowed down. American brands such as Apple, Boeing, Amazon, Walmart, and Microsoft remains a step ahead of their Chinese competitors. It will take decades for the Chinese corporations to compete with them.
But I don't think that USA has taken over the world economy either. I mean USA is strong, but China is strong as well. I don't see whole world dominancy from any country at the moment.
It may be impossible at the moment in current world state where real wars and conquering is not a thing anymore


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: carlisle1 on August 19, 2020, 12:33:30 PM
China is under  communist political leaderships, expect that they control everything under their jurisdictions, they are now starting to extend their powers and the tactics is how OP is trying to explained, a very good strategy that they don't need to go to war in order to control another countries but instead they are using their money to penetrates and have the power to control whatever poor countries that will fall to this tactics.

Not only China though, there are tons of other country that does this as well even US. It may not seems as harsh as how China does this but you do know for a fact that if a country put up a good amount of money in another country, those country will receive some privilleges. So how does this different from China?
this is  the problem now as even US has been lend by china of some amount in the past and there are humors that this is the reason why US is now creating trade war against Chinese government.
but of course this are only humor and none can proof it right or wrong.
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Besides that I dont really see how is that an issue though. Basically China wont be giving you free money without signing any deal to repay them. If the country sign them, that means they should already know the consequences incase they wont be able to pay. If they have no ability to pay, then they shouldnt be taking those money in the first place
Of course thats the main objective of china to lend money as many as they can so each country is under their control because of the debt.
this is how China is very smart in some ways.
and they are now taking the fruit of their actions.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: el kaka22 on August 19, 2020, 04:28:28 PM
If you really are worried about China becoming too powerful because they are a dictatorship and you would rather not see them that much powerful I would say you should stop buying stuff that are made in China, I have started doing that most recently and try to go full local and even though it is a bit more pricey it is not as pricey as you might think, maybe 10% to everything you spend but that is it. Obviously who would want 10% more spending but that also means if the whole world does that China suddenly becomes a very poor country once again.

Also if you are worried that China is killing people, you should check all the other big nations as well, even USA kills natives right now with poisoned water instead of directly shooting them. I say your own nation is much better than any other nation, at least your atrocities are your own.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: jademaxsuy on August 19, 2020, 10:48:33 PM
What do we expect. They are good in business and the disease comes from their place so they know how to react with it including on how make business with the disease coming from them. I hate this people taking advantage on everything when in fact they are the reason why pandemic happen. Anyway, I do hope that china will somehow help on some countries like poor countries to somehow recover or to help the people that get sick with thw virus. This to make something great in times of this hardships for other are trying to survive while them trying to get more riches.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: BrewMaster on August 20, 2020, 04:49:08 PM
If you really are worried about China becoming too powerful because they are a dictatorship and you would rather not see them that much powerful I would say you should stop buying stuff that are made in China, I have started doing that most recently and try to go full local and even though it is a bit more pricey it is not as pricey as you might think, maybe 10% to everything you spend but that is it. Obviously who would want 10% more spending but that also means if the whole world does that China suddenly becomes a very poor country once again.

the problem is that most things that look to be locally made are either importing parts from China or are made in China but under a local license so they have a different "made in xxx" written on them.
the fact is that most industries already rely on China and other similar countries. that is why everything in most big countries like US destabilized the day Chinese boarders were closed!


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: jostorres on August 20, 2020, 05:12:59 PM
Of course a lot of people has been pointing out to this and it annoys me a lot whenever I see it. African leaders are just worthless fools, they are putting their subjects in difficult situation. What pisses me off a lot is that Africa is blessed so many natural resources, but their leaders are misusing what they have and looting their money and sending their own kids abroad to developed countries this is pure wickedness and shows how evil these African leaders can be.

Africans are not doing anything about the situation their leaders have led them into, they should really be reacting about this and looking for ways to stop their leaders. The funny thing is that their leaders will collect these loans and put the people the country in debt and then steal those money they got from the loan and the country won’t achieved anything with it, not to talk of paying back.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: jrrsparkles on August 20, 2020, 05:27:10 PM
If you really are worried about China becoming too powerful because they are a dictatorship and you would rather not see them that much powerful I would say you should stop buying stuff that are made in China, I have started doing that most recently and try to go full local and even though it is a bit more pricey it is not as pricey as you might think, maybe 10% to everything you spend but that is it. Obviously who would want 10% more spending but that also means if the whole world does that China suddenly becomes a very poor country once again.

It is not really possible to live without made in China products, almost everything was produced and exported to each corners of this world and the solution to stop them is to build and encourage the national company and products but pricing may not be affordable for everyone so they always looks for cheaper that is why China is getting bigger in terms of exportation.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: verita1 on August 21, 2020, 01:30:30 AM
As China was able to get out of the Coronavirus pandemic and as a powerful country it is in advantages especially with the USA. What we could say China is winning the economic war. In the 2008 crisis, the most developed countries came together to get out of the crisis quickly.
It is possible that another agreement will happen now as it worked in the past but adapted to the needs of today.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Lorence.xD on August 21, 2020, 03:12:14 AM
If you really are worried about China becoming too powerful because they are a dictatorship and you would rather not see them that much powerful I would say you should stop buying stuff that are made in China, I have started doing that most recently and try to go full local and even though it is a bit more pricey it is not as pricey as you might think, maybe 10% to everything you spend but that is it. Obviously who would want 10% more spending but that also means if the whole world does that China suddenly becomes a very poor country once again.

Also if you are worried that China is killing people, you should check all the other big nations as well, even USA kills natives right now with poisoned water instead of directly shooting them. I say your own nation is much better than any other nation, at least your atrocities are your own.
Supporting your local entrepreneurs is a good thing but in my opinion, it will not be easy to overturn China via trade embargos, the reason for that is most of the raw materials and essential products are produced in their country. The only thing that could make a dent to this unstoppable juggernaut is by relocating the factories of many foreign products to other countries and sanctioning trade embargo for raw materials. But that will not be enough because there is still a real estate bubble in China with their ghost cities and their state backed companies that rake in billions upon billions of dollars, these companies can't be easily removed as it has its roots so deep in many other companies that it will topple if they ever pull out their investment.

Regarding the killing of natives in America, the reason that they are different is that they have people who help defend them while in China, thousands have been missing ever since without any reason for them to be taken away, the so-called re-education camps are just a front to oppress the minorities in China, and families of these prisoners can't appeal to anyone as everyone sees this camp as a good thing thanks to life long propaganda and police state, this camps will stay there to oppress more minorities.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: The cure on August 21, 2020, 06:17:11 AM
China is known for such kind of strategies, they will help other countries specially those they know they can manipulate easily and then they will begin to deceive and seize territory. Just like what happened in my country.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: bits4books on August 21, 2020, 06:28:10 AM
Words such as "What is the difference between China and Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany have a Swastika on their flag " are relevant rather for the period of the Cultural Revolution (then really terrible things happened). Now China is gradually becoming what the rest of the time was the United States-an industrial and scientific world hegemon that everyone fears only because of such a huge force. Whether this is good or bad is unclear but the fact remains that China is the engine of the world economy and if it stops it will happen "new 2008" when the US collapsed. Here is and think that better-apples or pears.

A decade back, everyone were talking about China overtaking the United States to become the no.1 economy in the globe. But that has not happened, because Chinese economic growth has slowed down. American brands such as Apple, Boeing, Amazon, Walmart, and Microsoft remains a step ahead of their Chinese competitors. It will take decades for the Chinese corporations to compete with them.

Yes, but Apple manufacture everything in China. Second, look at Xiaomi, Huawei, or Alibaba, which are no longer just Chinese domestic giants, but quite confidently hold a decent share of the world market. If in the "first world" countries this is not strongly felt, then in the same Russia, India, and some countries on the periphery, these companies sometimes hold leading positions.
We can say that if earlier the "cold war" was between entire countries, now it is between corporations, the battleground of which is the market and the fight for the consume


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Sapphire915 on August 21, 2020, 06:34:19 AM
China has a lot of ambitions to invade ever. they always copy other people's ideas to enrich themselves. in addition they are very populous and can produce a lot of goods to get rich easily. they are slowly manipulating in the Middle East and it is very effective.
That is also why Donald Trump must stand up to stop this ambition of China. If China becomes the number one power, there will be a lot of political instability in the future. Do you guys agree with me?

Yes, I agree. Even here in our country, Chinese people are scattered everywhere and doing a lot of business, trying to copy the goods from others just to produce more and get more profits from it. I really commend their capability on imitating almost all kinds of products even those medicines that can be sold in the market at a lower price. But can really harm the people's health. Indeed they were so ambitious to be on top that they even wanted to get our island territory which is still under the arguments between our Government and them. I hope the powerful countries could really stop them, they become so much greedy and really don't care how much people are at risk now because of their ambitious thoughts.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: abhiseshakana on August 21, 2020, 01:15:32 PM
Yes, I agree. Even here in our country, Chinese people are scattered everywhere and doing a lot of business, trying to copy the goods from others just to produce more and get more profits from it. I really commend their capability on imitating almost all kinds of products even those medicines that can be sold in the market at a lower price. But can really harm the people's health. Indeed they were so ambitious to be on top that they even wanted to get our island territory which is still under the arguments between our Government and them. I hope the powerful countries could really stop them, they become so much greedy and really don't care how much people are at risk now because of their ambitious thoughts.

There is no superiority in this world that exists only repetition, but practice makes perfect. Imitating was once required in China, thus transforming China from an imitating country to a modifying and innovating country.

The majority of Chinese production is intended for export, if Chinese goods are dangerous and detrimental to health then it is not China that is completely wrong, but the drug and food control centers, in an importer country that make a mistake, how can goods that are harmful to health can be imported and circulated in a country.

I am not a supporter of China, but I am happy with China's courageous spirit to fight against the world hegemon and put national interests and the interests of its people first.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: int03h on August 21, 2020, 01:44:13 PM
The Chinese are very good at building the economy into social manipulation. The Chinese are many and they are very united to become a network. They have different ways of economic development, they are closely organized together.
The belt and road initiative was theirs, and they stuck smaller countries into debt by lending them money. China's debt recovery is difficult and they ask to be exchanged by renting an area for 50 years-100 years. This happened in African countries. I think they will let their people travel the world and gradually take over the world.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: naikturun on August 21, 2020, 03:34:10 PM
I don't think so, if you look at the history of the country that first controlled the economy in the Dutch world with an organization called the VOC, I don't know what happened because I didn't read in detail but after that the market conditions were controlled by the US for a long time, even their currency was USD used as the value of the world currency, that's what we can see now if you are trading in forex, USD is almost in all currency pairs, but China seems to be showing its strength after almost dominating the entire market because their exports are so large, and also because this pandemic is profitable China which is rumored to have been free from corona while America is in the most terrible position.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: target on August 21, 2020, 03:42:32 PM
The Chinese are very good at building the economy into social manipulation. The Chinese are many and they are very united to become a network. They have different ways of economic development, they are closely organized together.
The belt and road initiative was theirs, and they stuck smaller countries into debt by lending them money. China's debt recovery is difficult and they ask to be exchanged by renting an area for 50 years-100 years. This happened in African countries. I think they will let their people travel the world and gradually take over the world.

The one belt and one road initiative is actaully one of the impressive things they are planing and its gradually making sense now. Its like building the Silkroad again and all the countries where this road goes are going to benefit including the cointries in UK as its where its going. This is why they are making friends with the countries there including the countries in Africa.

If China can make it, so are the countries where this road is built.





Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Silberman on August 21, 2020, 04:44:17 PM
The Belt and Road Initiative is a scary neo-domination tactic that China is employing right now. This is a money trap for the poor countries (including mine) that promises prosperity but when in fact it is a ruse to take a piece of a nation's land.

Here is how I understood this money trap works. China is creating a new Silk Road that is not based of lands but most of it are in the water and air, they will offer help to third world countries by giving them funds to create infrastructures like ports, skyscrapers or airfields. There will be a timeframe for this help to be paid and as a poor country they offer exorbitant amount of money which is impossible if not difficult to be paid and then here is where the trap works, when the country can't pay the debt then the other option happens where China will have full control over the infrastructure including the land, basically they are buying lands from this nation without really buying it. Look at what happened to Sri Lanka when they haven't paid their debt.
Any powerful country will do something like this, the economy of China is incredibly powerful, even after they were hit with the epicentre of the pandemic they were able to recover really quickly and instead they are now the ones that are helping other countries, besides I really think that the Chinese do not really trust that their dollars are going to be worth something for long and they are trying to find ways to get rid of them in any way they can and by doing this they are weakening the dollar as well which makes it a win-win situation for them.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: k@suy on August 21, 2020, 04:55:50 PM
If we compare China and the United States, then the Chinese government is pursuing a very tough policy towards all large companies and small and medium-sized businesses, where everyone works for the good of the country, and not for the good of their own pockets, as is done in the United States. That is why it is much easier in China to get out of any economic crisis.
Yes we all know it the Chinese people tend to be a great business man among other countries they know how to manage their wealth, they know how to make a strategy during hard times, that will not let them to fall in a big debt, and most especially, their economic stability has been handled very well, that is what I am seeing in China, I guess some countries cannot do this thing, in China patriotism is one of the main thing they implementing.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Nhor1011 on August 21, 2020, 05:21:30 PM
If we compare China and the United States, then the Chinese government is pursuing a very tough policy towards all large companies and small and medium-sized businesses, where everyone works for the good of the country, and not for the good of their own pockets, as is done in the United States. That is why it is much easier in China to get out of any economic crisis.
Yes we all know it the Chinese people tend to be a great business man among other countries they know how to manage their wealth, they know how to make a strategy during hard times, that will not let them to fall in a big debt, and most especially, their economic stability has been handled very well, that is what I am seeing in China, I guess some countries cannot do this thing, in China patriotism is one of the main thing they implementing.
I think Chinese people are very wise and hustler in doing things that can make their country  above others. Like now in Covid 19 pandemic,We all know that covid virus came from Wuhan China but look what happened? Other country getting worst and have more covid cases than China, it means they are very smart, I think or they just know the Cure that's why they recover easily from this and their economy didn't collapse.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: electronicash on August 21, 2020, 07:09:04 PM

China had been in a battle for centuries, the country had experienced it all since time of the Xang to Qin Dynasty and then once again crumble and back up again to what they are now. The time of war is over for China. They won't engage in war the first unless you provoke them in the contested borders.

They are going to build roads for easy access to countries from east to west. Chinese are not into wars, they are businessmen and any country can grow with them.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Bezobraznike on August 21, 2020, 07:16:09 PM

China had been in a battle for centuries, the country had experienced it all since time of the Xang to Qin Dynasty and then once again crumble and back up again to what they are now. The time of war is over for China. They won't engage in war the first unless you provoke them in the contested borders.

They are going to build roads for easy access to countries from east to west. Chinese are not into wars, they are businessmen and any country can grow with them.

   I agree with you Electronicash, Chinese seems as business oriented, they have done
son much in the last centuries, they build huge empire with big labor force, cheap
product affordable by anyone. We can criticize them, but they are doing their job
and they are getting richer. They are aware that wars can ruin everything they did
and war can just slow down their economic rise.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: finaleshot2016 on August 21, 2020, 08:31:00 PM

China had been in a battle for centuries, the country had experienced it all since time of the Xang to Qin Dynasty and then once again crumble and back up again to what they are now. The time of war is over for China. They won't engage in war the first unless you provoke them in the contested borders.

They are going to build roads for easy access to countries from east to west. Chinese are not into wars, they are businessmen and any country can grow with them.

   I agree with you Electronicash, Chinese seems as business oriented, they have done
son much in the last centuries, they build huge empire with big labor force, cheap
product affordable by anyone. We can criticize them, but they are doing their job
and they are getting richer. They are aware that wars can ruin everything they did
and war can just slow down their economic rise.
That's the reason why they're avoiding war and just starting a different war that maintains their foundation. Once a military war started, they're finished and all of the countries will definitely start from scratch. If a huge reset has begun, other countries will adopt those strategies of those leading countries to develop their economy.

So instead of starting a military war, they're conquering some of the countries to build their economy and make the other countries vow to them. This situation we are facing right now is their chance to make their economy bigger and it does really happen right now. They became more powerful and the relationships of each country are getting worst.

Bio war is also a brilliant move and looked what happened right now, most of the countries right now are vulnerable and stunned, they can't even bring their economy go up anymore.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Nellayar on August 21, 2020, 10:35:09 PM

China had been in a battle for centuries, the country had experienced it all since time of the Xang to Qin Dynasty and then once again crumble and back up again to what they are now. The time of war is over for China. They won't engage in war the first unless you provoke them in the contested borders.

They are going to build roads for easy access to countries from east to west. Chinese are not into wars, they are businessmen and any country can grow with them.

   I agree with you Electronicash, Chinese seems as business oriented, they have done
son much in the last centuries, they build huge empire with big labor force, cheap
product affordable by anyone. We can criticize them, but they are doing their job
and they are getting richer. They are aware that wars can ruin everything they did
and war can just slow down their economic rise.
That's the reason why they're avoiding war and just starting a different war that maintains their foundation. Once a military war started, they're finished and all of the countries will definitely start from scratch. If a huge reset has begun, other countries will adopt those strategies of those leading countries to develop their economy.

So instead of starting a military war, they're conquering some of the countries to build their economy and make the other countries vow to them. This situation we are facing right now is their chance to make their economy bigger and it does really happen right now. They became more powerful and the relationships of each country are getting worst.

Bio war is also a brilliant move and looked what happened right now, most of the countries right now are vulnerable and stunned, they can't even bring their economy go up anymore.
Bio war is also a battle of economy. We are already in 21st century and conquering through global wars seems not to be effective because we live now in a liberal world. Another thing is that, the nuclear weapon of every countries who hold nuclear is destructive that can make earth a living hell. So, instead of fighting through wars, they make it in a modern way to conquer a country. Right now, we are in cold war. If our economy collapses, assume that we will fall to the bait of 1st world countries. That is when we had a trillion of dollars borrowed to their country. Philippines is the best example of a country that will be baited in this war.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: DevilSlayer on August 22, 2020, 02:12:07 AM
Chinese have a good culture in terms of money,  actually a lot of Chinese are migrating in my country to build business that will provide goods and services. There are many Chinese that are really financial literate where they keep finding opportunities in every economies. The problem in my country is people are used to be employee, I want to clarify first that there is nothing wrong about employee but the thing is the opportunities are less. They are used to comfortable life and it seems that they want to have employees mindset in their life time.

Actually, chinese are really love money. Most of thw manufacturing companies in my community is owned by a chinese. China is becoming powerful country, they managed to beat a lot of countries when it comes to GDP.  Their country is also rich with minerals and natural resources that makes their country to become rich more.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: bystandposter on August 22, 2020, 02:26:45 AM
Actually, chinese are really love money. Most of thw manufacturing companies in my community is owned by a chinese. China is becoming powerful country, they managed to beat a lot of countries when it comes to GDP.  Their country is also rich with minerals and natural resources that makes their country to become rich more.
Do you think China will try and make their own currency to replace Bitcoin since they are so against it? I think people already know how China tries to control so much in their country


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: seagates on August 22, 2020, 06:53:51 AM
I dont want to leave in the world there China is controlling everything. I hope that US and/or EU will do something about it


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Mauser on August 22, 2020, 09:47:34 AM
I dont want to leave in the world there China is controlling everything. I hope that US and/or EU will do something about it

Yeah the same for me. Dictatorship never worked in the long run. Eventually people will become fed up with it and rebel against it. I honestly don't understand how the Chinese people accept so easily to be controlled on a large scale. So many Chinese people have education outside of China. In many UK universities the there are almost 50% of the master students from China. Once they graduate they go back to China but at least they saw a different life, without full control by the government.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: pankowri on August 22, 2020, 11:27:40 AM
If we think an economic giant name then there is no doubt to mention the name of China. Because their has a growing stable economic system. In this pandemic situation, China still keeps her economy stable and that's amazing. Many big countries failed to show this. So it can be said that China is winning the economic wars.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: smyslov on August 22, 2020, 12:08:11 PM
I don't see much of a difference between China and the Colonialist countries either, not just the Nazis.

Well, the main difference would be that the Colonialists (including the Nazis) conquered the third-world countries while today China uses trade tactics to subjugate them instead of conquering them militarily.

They just employing the tactics in the book "Book Of War" conquer the enemy without fighting and they used their financial power to do that not by a arm struggle or war, and they are good at it so many poor countries are deep in debt and whatever they want to do these countries cannot complain.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: bayu7adi on August 22, 2020, 03:48:03 PM
as a whole, this thread is correct. China is leading the way in the world economy. The battle between China and the US should be the starting point for the third world war. In the past, China was always humiliated because it had legalized something that is generally prohibited globally, namely piracy. China is very aggressive with their ideology of imitating goods. They made copies of similar physique but of very poor quality. From there they began to open minds and get ideas to modify it. And they did well with Huawei, Alibaba, Tencent, Sinopec etc.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: so98nn on August 22, 2020, 04:06:34 PM
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It's seriously noticeable how all of us from no where keep talking about china and how they are making fuss around the world. Its damn thinkable why this is the case about the china. The only short answer for this, they really making things amazing for themselves.

They are the game changers and they think ahead of the world. Who would have thought they will outbreak deadly disease and take down the throne of USA from thousands of miles away. I mean come on rest of the world moans in soreness and they are living happy life at this very moment.

China has got no chills man!


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: wiss19 on August 23, 2020, 08:37:36 AM
But mainly, I think countries should be aware of the disadvantages of taking loans. Loans are very bad thing, although I know that some economists like to spit nonsense on how important loans are, lol, for me I am not in agreement with that, loans can be a drawback.

I know that the developing countries you are referring to, their leaders don’t are about all these disadvantages, they are all ready to sell their countries to the Chinese government to get loans from them. After all is said and done it’s only the poor people that are going to suffer from it, the rich people won’t. The rich guys can decide to move to another country and move their businesses with them and that’s it, the poor ones can stay back and suffer. Very bad.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on August 23, 2020, 01:54:35 PM
I dont want to leave in the world there China is controlling everything. I hope that US and/or EU will do something about it

China does have a monopoly in the manufacturing sector, but they don't control everything. The luxury and high-end manufacturing is still under the control of Japan/EU/US. And as the wealth level increases, these products will become more popular and that will adversely effect China's market share. So I am not worried about the Chinese monopoly, which may only be a temporary phenomenon.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: justdimin on August 23, 2020, 04:53:42 PM
I dont want to leave in the world there China is controlling everything. I hope that US and/or EU will do something about it

China does have a monopoly in the manufacturing sector, but they don't control everything. The luxury and high-end manufacturing is still under the control of Japan/EU/US. And as the wealth level increases, these products will become more popular and that will adversely effect China's market share. So I am not worried about the Chinese monopoly, which may only be a temporary phenomenon.
I wouldn't want that neither but I also do not want USA or EU to do anything neither, I hate china so if I was given an option of China or USA or EU at least I would pick EU that way I could say that they are not good people but at least they do not have that ill intention in a very backwards way, they would try to profit economically at the very worst and that is fine, they wouldn't make you go backwards in political way. Compare that to USA and China, they are very backwards countries, I already live in a backwards country so they would make it even worse.

Look at Syria and ISIS, that is basically what USA did that caused ISIS to grow bigger and bigger, or look at what China is doing at Hong Kong, they are trying to own them by brute force. I just want every nation to be independent, why can't we have big nations not meddle with other nations.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: lepbagong on August 23, 2020, 05:25:42 PM
I dont want to leave in the world there China is controlling everything. I hope that US and/or EU will do something about it

China does have a monopoly in the manufacturing sector, but they don't control everything. The luxury and high-end manufacturing is still under the control of Japan/EU/US. And as the wealth level increases, these products will become more popular and that will adversely effect China's market share. So I am not worried about the Chinese monopoly, which may only be a temporary phenomenon.

China has indeed been recognized as a certain world market share and I do not see that China will dominate Menopoli like many people think, for a certain share it is true. I agree that for certain products where the share of wealthy people is still the superpower in the world in trade, once again the share is different and will not affect that.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on August 24, 2020, 05:41:19 AM
I dont want to leave in the world there China is controlling everything. I hope that US and/or EU will do something about it

China does have a monopoly in the manufacturing sector, but they don't control everything. The luxury and high-end manufacturing is still under the control of Japan/EU/US. And as the wealth level increases, these products will become more popular and that will adversely effect China's market share. So I am not worried about the Chinese monopoly, which may only be a temporary phenomenon.
I wouldn't want that neither but I also do not want USA or EU to do anything neither, I hate china so if I was given an option of China or USA or EU at least I would pick EU that way I could say that they are not good people but at least they do not have that ill intention in a very backwards way, they would try to profit economically at the very worst and that is fine, they wouldn't make you go backwards in political way. Compare that to USA and China, they are very backwards countries, I already live in a backwards country so they would make it even worse.

Look at Syria and ISIS, that is basically what USA did that caused ISIS to grow bigger and bigger, or look at what China is doing at Hong Kong, they are trying to own them by brute force. I just want every nation to be independent, why can't we have big nations not meddle with other nations.

I don't know whether it is proper to compare the United States with China. I am not condoning what the US did in Iraq and Libya. But IMO, China is far worse. They are picking up fight with almost all of their neighbors. They are bullying weaker neighbors such as the Philippines and Bhutan. At least the US is not bullying democratic nations (at the time of US intervention, both Iraq and Libya were dictatorships).


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Lorence.xD on August 24, 2020, 11:50:57 AM
I wouldn't want that neither but I also do not want USA or EU to do anything neither, I hate china so if I was given an option of China or USA or EU at least I would pick EU that way I could say that they are not good people but at least they do not have that ill intention in a very backwards way, they would try to profit economically at the very worst and that is fine, they wouldn't make you go backwards in political way. Compare that to USA and China, they are very backwards countries, I already live in a backwards country so they would make it even worse.

Look at Syria and ISIS, that is basically what USA did that caused ISIS to grow bigger and bigger, or look at what China is doing at Hong Kong, they are trying to own them by brute force. I just want every nation to be independent, why can't we have big nations not meddle with other nations.
Why do we have to choose who we want to dominate? Why aren't people allowed to live in balance, why always choose the lesser evil when most of us deserve something better.

Correction in regards to Hongkong issue, China technically owns Hongkong but they are not following the rule by forcing Hongkong into their fold by 204u but they are enforcing it thus devoiding the agreement which does not ring good for Cantonese as they have a high degree of autonomy like Macau.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: electronicash on August 24, 2020, 07:20:32 PM
I wouldn't want that neither but I also do not want USA or EU to do anything neither, I hate china so if I was given an option of China or USA or EU at least I would pick EU that way I could say that they are not good people but at least they do not have that ill intention in a very backwards way, they would try to profit economically at the very worst and that is fine, they wouldn't make you go backwards in political way. Compare that to USA and China, they are very backwards countries, I already live in a backwards country so they would make it even worse.

Look at Syria and ISIS, that is basically what USA did that caused ISIS to grow bigger and bigger, or look at what China is doing at Hong Kong, they are trying to own them by brute force. I just want every nation to be independent, why can't we have big nations not meddle with other nations.
Why do we have to choose who we want to dominate? Why aren't people allowed to live in balance, why always choose the lesser evil when most of us deserve something better.

Correction in regards to Hongkong issue, China technically owns Hongkong but they are not following the rule by forcing Hongkong into their fold by 204u but they are enforcing it thus devoiding the agreement which does not ring good for Cantonese as they have a high degree of autonomy like Macau.

yes. there is a treaty for it. i don't know why these people are saying china is owning hongkong by brute force. for once in your lives, you just have to watch real news that doesn't have any intention and ulterior motives. look at what hongkong now, are the chinese there to barricade them and prevent them from doing anything?  the chinese are even there to put peace.  the reason why the hongkongers are trying to react that way is because of the extradition agreement to criminals.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: perfect999 on August 26, 2020, 05:42:42 PM
As per the Coronavirus. Isn’t it clear that they were the ones who created the virus as a way to lure these developing countries to take loans from them and then fall into their trap, since most of them will be unable to pay back?

I don’t think people were lying when they said the virus was created by China. Every move they have been taking since the Coronavirus says a lot about them being behind the Coronavirus, like they seem to be more prepared ahead of the time for the breakout than every other country. And when the pandemic started, they have been acting nice to these developing countries and sending doctors and nurses to them, then they are also buying companies that failed, and giving out loans lol.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Silberman on August 26, 2020, 05:47:12 PM
as a whole, this thread is correct. China is leading the way in the world economy. The battle between China and the US should be the starting point for the third world war. In the past, China was always humiliated because it had legalized something that is generally prohibited globally, namely piracy. China is very aggressive with their ideology of imitating goods. They made copies of similar physique but of very poor quality. From there they began to open minds and get ideas to modify it. And they did well with Huawei, Alibaba, Tencent, Sinopec etc.
While you are correct when you say that the previous two world wars had an economic war going on before we got to the actual war, this time is different, I think that we're going to see is similar to what happened after World War II in which countries will not risk such a war due to the fear of atomic weapons and as such the USSR and the US engaged themselves in a cold war that included proxy wars, culture wars, the space race and even the Olympic Games.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: finaleshot2016 on August 26, 2020, 06:13:29 PM
As per the Coronavirus. Isn’t it clear that they were the ones who created the virus as a way to lure these developing countries to take loans from them and then fall into their trap, since most of them will be unable to pay back?

I don’t think people were lying when they said the virus was created by China. Every move they have been taking since the Coronavirus says a lot about them being behind the Coronavirus, like they seem to be more prepared ahead of the time for the breakout than every other country. And when the pandemic started, they have been acting nice to these developing countries and sending doctors and nurses to them, then they are also buying companies that failed, and giving out loans lol.
Yeah and they're denying that the virus which is COVID-19 came from their country. It's their strategy to conquer other third world countries because they can't sustain their economy.

Try to read this article: https://abc7.com/lab-bioweapon-wuhan-coronavirus-update/6107891/

They made a fast recovery to the pandemic and of course, they have the facilities and good health care system and it seems that they are super prepared on this.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: radjie on August 27, 2020, 03:37:13 PM
The Belt and Road Initiative is a scary neo-domination tactic that China is employing right now. This is a money trap for the poor countries (including mine) that promises prosperity but when in fact it is a ruse to take a piece of a nation's land.

Here is how I understood this money trap works. China is creating a new Silk Road that is not based of lands but most of it are in the water and air, they will offer help to third world countries by giving them funds to create infrastructures like ports, skyscrapers or airfields. There will be a timeframe for this help to be paid and as a poor country they offer exorbitant amount of money which is impossible if not difficult to be paid and then here is where the trap works, when the country can't pay the debt then the other option happens where China will have full control over the infrastructure including the land, basically they are buying lands from this nation without really buying it. Look at what happened to Sri Lanka when they haven't paid their debt.

What is the difference between China and Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany have a Swastika on their flag

Source for what happened to Sri Lanka: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40044113

This is arguably a trap strategy by offering loans to other countries with the aim of helping build infrastructure that the two parties believe can work together solidly. But on the other hand, a country that receives a loan from China indirectly pawns its land, if it is unable to pay the debt, then as a guarantee China will control the place.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: whyrqa on August 27, 2020, 04:16:26 PM
I believe that China again can surprise us very much, because according to the Caixin magazine, over the past three months the Chinese economy has shown very good and stable growth, and I would also like to note the fact that the Chinese industry is showing very high growth rates today. Which is the highest figure in the last ten years.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: dondonk on August 28, 2020, 02:08:35 AM
Economically, China has great power to develop its country as well as to help other countries that need economic assistance. For me it is not a trap, but an agreement from the two countries. so what happened is a consequence of the agreement.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: bayu7adi on August 28, 2020, 02:17:34 AM
~snip~
Source for what happened to Sri Lanka: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40044113

One of China's cleverness in creating business networks in other countries so that it is able to have a large enough impact on the country's economy, and only promises jobs for the country it is living in, namely Sri Lanka.

Here the Sri Lankan government cannot do much, because indeed the offer of employment with a fixed salary for its residents is a quite profitable exchange to move the wheels of the domestic economy.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: peter0425 on August 28, 2020, 02:36:34 AM
No matter who wins the war ,still there are people who suffers from this because the officials are just staying in their mansions eating luxury foods and accommodations while people are in deep problem and almost no small foods in their tables.

Is this what they really want to happen?winning their war while many is affected Badly?


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: electronicash on August 28, 2020, 03:14:26 AM
No matter who wins the war ,still there are people who suffers from this because the officials are just staying in their mansions eating luxury foods and accommodations while people are in deep problem and almost no small foods in their tables.

Is this what they really want to happen?winning their war while many is affected Badly?

its not like there will be a loser in this war.
the only who will lose are the countries thay are not going to develop along with the ones growing up. china for instance is growing in many aspects, countries partnering up with them will also improve. 

their people will also grow. resisting chinese growth will only end up into conflict.







Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Paycoinzzz on August 28, 2020, 04:14:53 AM
This is also a formidable strategy from China. Actually, economists have seen this for a long time and they are condemning the Chinese government. It seems that they are expanding and disrespecting any country, we are really soft towards them.
Hopefully in the future, countries will have a way to stop the current Chinese expansion so that everything will be peaceful. I hate war and don't want any political uncertainty to happen.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: kotajikikox on August 28, 2020, 06:44:59 AM
~snip~
Source for what happened to Sri Lanka: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40044113

One of China's cleverness in creating business networks in other countries so that it is able to have a large enough impact on the country's economy, and only promises jobs for the country it is living in, namely Sri Lanka.

Here the Sri Lankan government cannot do much, because indeed the offer of employment with a fixed salary for its residents is a quite profitable exchange to move the wheels of the domestic economy.
Thats hbow great their strategy is,they are feeding other countries before they Make their meat available in table.
Chinese cheats many country and even US once their victim thats why the Debt of US to them is really good amount.
Economically, China has great power to develop its country as well as to help other countries that need economic assistance. For me it is not a trap, but an agreement from the two countries. so what happened is a consequence of the agreement.
Nope we knew Chinese they will only Give if there is something they can receive so please don't Give justification on what they do all over the world.
Look how they dominate the ocean in Asian territory in which many countries has claims?


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Salauddin1994 on August 28, 2020, 02:17:57 PM
China's economy has won the war it is their new strategy. They did not suffer much damage compared to other countries. Their economic system has been able to improve very quickly as it has become much stronger. But they are working on keeping their information secret. Despite the dominance of the sea many countries were not bound by the treaty as many countries were affected. But with China's economy the United States is far ahead. China has strategically won this war.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Renampun on August 28, 2020, 06:08:46 PM
This is also a formidable strategy from China. Actually, economists have seen this for a long time and they are condemning the Chinese government. It seems that they are expanding and disrespecting any country, we are really soft towards them.
Hopefully in the future, countries will have a way to stop the current Chinese expansion so that everything will be peaceful. I hate war and don't want any political uncertainty to happen.
China is a communist country and a communist country known for not really appreciating other countries...
I read on the news that in the last few months the Chinese economy has continued to grow, to be honest, I don't believe this. when the first time this outbreak appeared, they did a scene as if this outbreak was very deadly but the reality is not, I have seen enough of the falsehoods they display.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: AicecreaME on August 29, 2020, 06:05:19 AM
China has been doing this for so many years already. And now that there’s a pandemic happening, they’re taking advantage of the situation.

They’ve been doing land gabbing not only in Ph, but also to other neighboring south east asian countries. While the countries and its people are focused on addressing how to combat covid-19 they are building infrastructures along Scarborough Shoal (Panatag Shoal) which is a part of West Philippines Sea. They’re drilling and mining the natural resources of other countries to use and make a profit out of it as if they own it.

Another thing they’re indeed famous for is money trapping. This pandemic, many third world countries are struggling and have no choice but to borrow large amount of money. China lets these countries be indebted to them with a certain interest rate. Most of these countries are really poor that can’t afford to pay on time resulting to accumulated financial debts. China would then discretely move to take away little by little the seas or lands of these countries. Since they’re indebted to China, these countries can’t even stand against.

This results to China becoming more powerful and dominating over the poor countries. Its economy tends to prosper while those little countries are having difficulties to put themselves together.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Lorence.xD on August 29, 2020, 08:14:02 AM
Economically, China has great power to develop its country as well as to help other countries that need economic assistance. For me it is not a trap, but an agreement from the two countries. so what happened is a consequence of the agreement.
So it is alright for you to let China take control of the infrastructures built by the money being borrowed? Do you think that the agreement of taking control of the infrastructure and the land of your own country is a just consequence? I think no because this is clearly an invasion to a land and if you do not see it then you are blind or ignorant.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: jademaxsuy on August 29, 2020, 10:30:11 AM
Economically, China has great power to develop its country as well as to help other countries that need economic assistance. For me it is not a trap, but an agreement from the two countries. so what happened is a consequence of the agreement.
So it is alright for you to let China take control of the infrastructures built by the money being borrowed? Do you think that the agreement of taking control of the infrastructure and the land of your own country is a just consequence? I think no because this is clearly an invasion to a land and if you do not see it then you are blind or ignorant.
Colonization is already working from those countries who borrowed money from china. I have heard that there is a country that sold some parts of its land to china because of unpaid debt. I do not want that to happen in my country and all this will depend on the leaders that will take care every debt being made.

Hopefully that china also will going to give chance to all whos in debt because they too became the reason of this pandemic which started in their place.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Lorence.xD on August 29, 2020, 12:09:01 PM
Colonization is already working from those countries who borrowed money from china. I have heard that there is a country that sold some parts of its land to china because of unpaid debt. I do not want that to happen in my country and all this will depend on the leaders that will take care every debt being made.

Hopefully that china also will going to give chance to all whos in debt because they too became the reason of this pandemic which started in their place.
The country that is on the tip of your tongue is Sri Lanka, and you can't control what future your country will have unless you become influential, and I pray to anyone out there that your country will not succumb to Chinese influence unlike mine which is slowly eaten by the Red country.

Also, sorry to be a Debbie Downer but I do not think China will be lenient to its debtors, like any day, this day is business as usual. They have a reason that they let them borrow their money, and the current situation is a very perfect set up for their schemes.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: sabbir2world on August 30, 2020, 05:27:07 AM
For an under developed country the economical help from a country like China is necessary. I don't see a problem taking the help. But the loan taker needs to figure out the consequences for failing on the loans repayment. The corruption within the country is enough to ruin the economy. China and the USA both are like the two sides of a coin. Both of them want to rule the world resulting a global economical fight. Have you heard about the "Cold war"?


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Lorence.xD on August 30, 2020, 06:19:30 AM
For an under developed country the economical help from a country like China is necessary. I don't see a problem taking the help. But the loan taker needs to figure out the consequences for failing on the loans repayment. The corruption within the country is enough to ruin the economy. China and the USA both are like the two sides of a coin. Both of them want to rule the world resulting a global economical fight. Have you heard about the "Cold war"?
Yeah dude, I know Cold War, I am a history nut.

You also think that the money trap is reasonable? You are blind dude. You want your land seized by the CCP because that is what happened in Sri Lanka. They can't pay the debt and now they do not own the infrastructure that they built in their land. Have your read the article link I provided? Also did you know that the money they loan to this poor country is totaly rigged? They have a very high interest just so you know and that is the reason that most countries can't pay the debt.

By the way Cold War is just a fancy way of invading countries without launching bombs and nukes.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Arkann on August 30, 2020, 07:26:14 AM
For an under developed country the economical help from a country like China is necessary. I don't see a problem taking the help. But the loan taker needs to figure out the consequences for failing on the loans repayment. The corruption within the country is enough to ruin the economy. China and the USA both are like the two sides of a coin. Both of them want to rule the world resulting a global economical fight. Have you heard about the "Cold war"?
Yeah dude, I know Cold War, I am a history nut.

You also think that the money trap is reasonable? You are blind dude. You want your land seized by the CCP because that is what happened in Sri Lanka. They can't pay the debt and now they do not own the infrastructure that they built in their land. Have your read the article link I provided? Also did you know that the money they loan to this poor country is totaly rigged? They have a very high interest just so you know and that is the reason that most countries can't pay the debt.

By the way Cold War is just a fancy way of invading countries without launching bombs and nukes.
Today, economic war is a powerful tool to take a leading position in the world and is very much used today. Such confrontations exist not only between China and the United States, but also it extends to other countries, where, under the guise of economic aid, in reality they destroy the economy and any opportunities to be independent. Countries with strong economies will always confront each other, but the most affected are small states that become dependent on such great powers that receive financial assistance, while supporting groups of specific officials who care more about personal welfare than the state or people. But at the same time, these debts have to be paid for many years, which is likely to stretch over generations.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Shasha80 on August 30, 2020, 08:41:56 AM
I agree that China has indeed won economic wars, therefore it can become a country that controls the world economy.
For China, all kinds of methods are used to win the economic war, not only selling counterfeit goods. However, China
implemented a money trap strategy, which did take advantage of third world countries with weak economies. And which
includes countries that have high poverty rates. Countries with these criteria will be lent amount of capital, and if the
country can't pay then China can control the country's economy. It can even control the land and natural resources of
the country.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Tipstar on August 30, 2020, 09:02:40 AM
Everyone wants a profit on their investment. I wouldn't call OBOR just a money trap as it's bringing world together and opening new economic relations, improving lives of people. China though has prospered in the single party rule, it's political system itself is a tickling bomb. Another negative expect of China is it's relation with it's neighbor, with it's intention to claim all the resources over South China sea, it would never be considered a friend of that region unless it comes into wide economic and political co-operation for that region. If China really needs to establish itself as an economic power and connect with the world, it needs to improve it's relation with Japan, South Korea and ASEAN nations and reach a deal on South China Sea.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on August 30, 2020, 12:20:16 PM
Everyone wants a profit on their investment. I wouldn't call OBOR just a money trap as it's bringing world together and opening new economic relations, improving lives of people. China though has prospered in the single party rule, it's political system itself is a tickling bomb. Another negative expect of China is it's relation with it's neighbor, with it's intention to claim all the resources over South China sea, it would never be considered a friend of that region unless it comes into wide economic and political co-operation for that region. If China really needs to establish itself as an economic power and connect with the world, it needs to improve it's relation with Japan, South Korea and ASEAN nations and reach a deal on South China Sea.

Apart from the hate mongering by the Western media, OBOR is very beneficial for the participating nations. As of now, China is perhaps the only country which has enough cash reserves to undertake massive infrastructural projects such as the OBOR. In a way, they are helping the neighboring countries by giving out loans using this excess amount. And they are not forcing anyone to participate in this OBOR project.


Title: Re: Trung Quốc là chiến thắng trong chiến tranh kinh tế
Post by: todiefor17 on August 31, 2020, 10:22:59 AM
China means a flower in the center surrounded by petals. That is the meaning of the Chinese name. They are very good at economics and they are silently controlling the world in some way. They have many economic development programs in other countries. They seek to lend these countries money to build a railway, road, harbor, hydroelectric, and mining projects. They brought the Chinese people to this country and built a settlement in those countries. Gradually the Chinese people will live in the entire country and they have almost conquered that country.
The Chinese were present around the world. I think China will not stop trying to control countries with seven debt, but they will take over those countries in the long run.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Silberman on August 31, 2020, 06:36:19 PM
This is also a formidable strategy from China. Actually, economists have seen this for a long time and they are condemning the Chinese government. It seems that they are expanding and disrespecting any country, we are really soft towards them.
Hopefully in the future, countries will have a way to stop the current Chinese expansion so that everything will be peaceful. I hate war and don't want any political uncertainty to happen.
But how exactly can that be done? China is now the factory of the world, everything is made there and even if the quality of the goods is not very good it is made very cheaply to the point that very few countries can compete, this means that China is full of dollars that they can use and that they do not want to keep because they know that the dollar is going to crash sooner or later, which means they are using them to buy everything what they can and lending it to other countries so they owe to them and they can get land and infrastructure for almost nothing.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Lorence.xD on September 02, 2020, 04:59:56 AM
This is also a formidable strategy from China. Actually, economists have seen this for a long time and they are condemning the Chinese government. It seems that they are expanding and disrespecting any country, we are really soft towards them.
Hopefully in the future, countries will have a way to stop the current Chinese expansion so that everything will be peaceful. I hate war and don't want any political uncertainty to happen.
But how exactly can that be done? China is now the factory of the world, everything is made there and even if the quality of the goods is not very good it is made very cheaply to the point that very few countries can compete, this means that China is full of dollars that they can use and that they do not want to keep because they know that the dollar is going to crash sooner or later, which means they are using them to buy everything what they can and lending it to other countries so they owe to them and they can get land and infrastructure for almost nothing.
If there is a continous sanctions and constant relocation of factories of foreign companies like what Apple is doing, China will eventually cave in. Right now, Apple is slowly relocating its factories in India, and I hope that this is a step for other companies to do the same thing.

If China really needs to establish itself as an economic power and connect with the world, it needs to improve it's relation with Japan, South Korea and ASEAN nations and reach a deal on South China Sea.
I agree with this one, good relation with your neighbors is a good sign, but if you are using manipulation and bullying then that is another story.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Chrystora123 on September 02, 2020, 04:06:44 PM
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only a few countries understand China's bad plan..  I can say that currently, China is trying to colonize several countries that have great potential (natural resources) for them to control.  China started the trick by becoming a savior (investor) in a country and slowly eating away at that country, many countries in Southeast Asia have become borrowers of funds from China, it's just a matter of waiting for a few time again for their actual plans to be launched..


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Lorence.xD on September 03, 2020, 05:56:51 AM
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only a few countries understand China's bad plan..  I can say that currently, China is trying to colonize several countries that have great potential (natural resources) for them to control.  China started the trick by becoming a savior (investor) in a country and slowly eating away at that country, many countries in Southeast Asia have become borrowers of funds from China, it's just a matter of waiting for a few time again for their actual plans to be launched..
Exactly, they do not know the implications of being indebted to China. In politics and heartless economy, when a country is getting to your good side, they only have ulterior motives.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: bryant.coleman on September 03, 2020, 06:41:52 AM
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only a few countries understand China's bad plan..  I can say that currently, China is trying to colonize several countries that have great potential (natural resources) for them to control.  China started the trick by becoming a savior (investor) in a country and slowly eating away at that country, many countries in Southeast Asia have become borrowers of funds from China, it's just a matter of waiting for a few time again for their actual plans to be launched..

I don't agree with your statement. China is not forcing anyone to take loans from them. The other countries go for the Chinese loans, because they have few other options. If superpowers such as the United States and France were ready to give low-interest loans to the developing nations, then there will be no market for loans from China. But that is not the case. Developing nations continue to take loans from China, because the other countries will not sanction loans for them.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: Silberman on September 04, 2020, 09:22:13 PM
But how exactly can that be done? China is now the factory of the world, everything is made there and even if the quality of the goods is not very good it is made very cheaply to the point that very few countries can compete, this means that China is full of dollars that they can use and that they do not want to keep because they know that the dollar is going to crash sooner or later, which means they are using them to buy everything what they can and lending it to other countries so they owe to them and they can get land and infrastructure for almost nothing.
If there is a continous sanctions and constant relocation of factories of foreign companies like what Apple is doing, China will eventually cave in. Right now, Apple is slowly relocating its factories in India, and I hope that this is a step for other companies to do the same thing.
That sounds easy in theory but in practice this is a nightmare, even if many countries around the world join hands and tried to sanction China they will just do the same and it will begin a commercial war, and as far as I know that is already happening and it is not as if we have seen a tremendous success with those measures, the time in which this could have been done the curb of the growth of China has passed and it is time that we get used to a world in which China is an economic superpower.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: bryant.coleman on September 05, 2020, 07:10:35 AM
only a few countries understand China's bad plan..  I can say that currently, China is trying to colonize several countries that have great potential (natural resources) for them to control.  China started the trick by becoming a savior (investor) in a country and slowly eating away at that country, many countries in Southeast Asia have become borrowers of funds from China, it's just a matter of waiting for a few time again for their actual plans to be launched..

What about the other colonial powers such as the United States, United Kingdom and France? They have been doing the same to the developing world for the past many decades. All this outcry against Chinese investment is because they are providing much better deals for the developing nations, when compared to those offered by the US or the UK. You want to talk about the Chinese colonizing smaller nations, but at the same time you won't speak against the Americans who have military bases in more than a hundred countries.


Title: Re: China is winning the Economy Wars
Post by: razaabbas on September 05, 2020, 08:21:24 AM
It is possible that China will control the world's economy because it now has land, air and sea routes - which will be very useful for them - but not comparisons with the Nazis.