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Please be patient with my question, I rarely make a topic. hihi  ;D

I just realized to myself and it suddenly came to my mind while browsing through the gambling threads and while I was also thinking about my past online gambling experiences.

So here's the question:
Is there a possibility that the house can counter the strategy you are using if you inform or expose it in the chat and the admin finds out and can he report it to the developer to make immediate adjustments to the betting trend?

Sounds weird I think right?

But I still want to know your answers, gambler masters. Thanks  ;)

What games do have you in mind when you ask this question? The vast majority of casino games fall in to one of two categories:

• Pure chance, such as roulette or dice busting games
• Set rules for the house, such as blackjack or craps

In these two examples, there is no way for the house to counter your strategy because there is nothing for them to change. The rules of the game are pre-set. The only games I can think of where someone can adopt a strategy to counter your strategy would be games where you are playing against other people, such as poker, as opposed to games your are playing against the house. If the house was to suddenly change the rules of blackjack for example, and declare they are going to stand on a 16 rather than on a 17, then it would be completely obvious to anyone playing.

It's probably worth pointing out that the house doesn't need to counter your strategy. No strategy will be able to consistently beat the house edge long term.

Hmm, well they can't. Because the house has to be fair, which means they can't change outcome of every single individual bets placed and if they did, that would mean they are not being fair and hence they would be just cheating. But, the house just wants you to play, play long, doesn't matter whatever strategy you play with, the house is always going to win in the long run because of the house edge :P

When you expose your plans of using any of the strategies, the gambling site might take advantage of the same. House always try to make earning out of the gamblers, but these days gambling sites are legit in their functioning. This is all because of the increased number of gambling sites available to try our luck.

Maybe in their future updates they can see the possibility to change it just like how they update the program when there are some issues or leaks encountered,but to counter it on the spot per within that day or week is seems impossible since they will for sure need more time to test it, figure it out as it may need to be approved by the team as well they might already agreed and set the program as it is, if they will change it fast, it may cause bad impact or feedback on the casino as it shows manipulation.

Unless you might be taking advantage of some bugs or an exploit that the house didn't see, I don't think they would be "countering" your strategy. That would make the game unfair if they will be countering every strategy they know. And I agree that even though you have lines and lines of strategy to do, the house have the edge.

First, I'm not a gambling master, to be honest. Second, I would never laid down any strategy (if I have) publicly if it really worked in the first place unless there's someone willing to use it with a fee but not public as well. Lastly, I don't think there's' much developer can do to counter the "Provably Fair" system especially the clientseed.

This is a bit tricky, let's assume you strategy is not an exploit. Because you found an exploit within the casino and would make it publicly available so others could you is it. I think the casino would react very fast to fix any loop hole.

But if you just run a normal strategy without any exploit and might be running hot, I don't think the casino would change their game just because of you. There are tons of players and when changing their game just to counter your personal strategy I might make the casino vulnerable to other strategies.

Also there is a huge risk of such behaviour becoming public and ruining the creditability of the casino.

They can in the long run, and it also depends on the game that you are playing. In dice, there's no doubt that they can easily take your money the longer you play on their website and you may not even see a streak of profit that lasts more than a week. The house edge is designed to have that, well, edge over the players in order to not lose money on the long haul.


This, IMO, falls under unfair practices of operating a gambling site. You already have the house edge, why would operators tweak their games even further to have the odds in their favor even more? I would understand if the strats you are using are some kind of exploitable bug within the system, but if what you're doing is clean and not against their ToS and is a game feature, I couldn't see why operators should refine what already is a working and fair game to profit even more.

Admin will take that if they see that the strategy are really working and the house are being exposed,

there's no way that they won't take actions as they can be like a cow breastfeeders for the gamblers.

There's adjustment that will be done, though there's also possibilities that they will bite you for a while

then make a kill once you put your guards down.

I doubt that the house are going to counter your strategy just because you are winning or expose it in the chat. Maybe the admin will look at your strategy, nevertheless, they won't do anything on their part, they still have the proverbial ace on their side, which is call house edge.

Sooner or later, this house edge will get the better of your strategy, the only thing you have though is luck. So don't stretch them, if you are in a winning side, then quit. No need to tell your strategy in chat.

Possibility does exist but it depends on the casino itself whether they are trusted and fair or not.
I remember there was a site called luckygames who did cheat player by rigging the game because the player took an advantage from a +EV chance offered by the site.
It was not a cheating from the player's end but the casino decided to cheat the player.
It is an example that it is possible for a casino to counter your strategy. In this example, player's strategy is like a card counting.

No, they can't or better to say they shouldn't although in theory that is possible. Casinos need to be fair and not misuse such situations. At first glance that might seem as disadvantage for the house but on the long run it's always the house who is on the winning side.

If there is a house edge, there's no chance that a gambler would win in the long run, that is design to make them profitable to sustain their business.

What you are talking might be some bug or glitch that gives you an edge to win which is not anymore normal, of course if the team finds out about that, they will correct their system but not the house edge. Sometimes even if there is no problem with the system and they find a gambler very lucky winning big money most of the time, they just adjust the limit of such gambler, so they would really adjust to keep up their purpose which is to profit.

Most probably. I even lose in dice when I tried roll under for 97 and I still lose.  ;D You just can't win unless you tried some patterns and stop when you win some.  If they see you constnatly win, they'd have to check your account to see what is going on. Casino is designed to make them money and if you lose through your account its definitely worth countering.

Casinos don't need to bother countering your strategy. They always apply their rules in terms of averages. If the game is based on pure chance and there is a house edge, then no strategy will work against the casino in the long run.

When taking the total userbase of the casino, and looking at the number of people winning using a particular strategy, you will typically find that more people are losing vs winning with that exact strategy.

If they were to modify the rules to counter the strategy, they would end up shooting themselves in the foot, since it would completely break trust with users and demonstrate that their games are flawed.

Remember kids, there are no strategies in games of luck—just delay systems.

This is only to those gambling sites that arent really made just for running up the business for long term but rather they do just target out to scam out their users in the first place.Its true that no one can really beat the house, there might be some big winnings but in the end of the day they would be the ones who do smile considering that they do still make profit since we know that games are pre-set or designed that way.
For gambling site owners who do aim for long term runs then theres no need to tweak or cheat up player because when someone caught you up then your business is fucked up.

Do you mean a gambler finds a way to beat the house always? I don't think that's possible unless there's a flaw in the system.

I don't see why the house should counter anyone's strategy. After all, gamblers are dealing with the house's own algorithm.

No matter what's the gambler's strategy, the house edge is still the same - random hashes.

Depends on how much you make money on that gambling site and didn’t lose that much, your account might be put on a watch list and the house will decide on how they can force you to lose money.

Its hard to make strategies on a luck based games so the house knows this thing and they might not make a lot of effort to monitor you. If you have strategies better to keep it on your own especially if you think its working, just make sure to done this accordingly for you not to be more suspicious account. The house will always win, and some gamblers will suffer for that, this is the basic way for the house to secure money.

Maybe no if you just use that strategy in short period of time since for sure all randomized in provably fair system but if the house detects that there are certain strategies working against them and been used by many gamblers  then provably on their next update they will counter it so that those strategies will not work on their site.

But I don't think its really have any of those since we all know provably fair system is pure luck based games maybe this strategy things will only applicable on card games or other skill based games.

It will not come on that point since there is no strategy to beat the house.

A technical bug might be possible but it's not a strategy to beat the house but these gamblers look at some possible ways to breach the system.

Admins will only notice gamblers if they are doing crazy decent withdrawals regularly and that might be subject to investigation. After everything is clear and no trace of dirty plays, it will now be withdrawn.

There is no point for them to counter your strategy.

We all know that there is no strategy that can actually defeat the casinos, its been a long time and I don't think there is a strategy that can actually beat the system of these casinos. These strategies are our ways of increasing the percentage of us not losing the game, for example martingale though this strat increases the risk despite that.

You have to be more vigilant and careful in doing house gambling battles, especially when arranged with an admin strategy to manage your winnings with social media chat, it can lead to cheating etc.

Gambling competition in the era of very sophisticated technology is currently increasingly competitive gambling, so the fight and victory of each player must be based on common sense in accordance with the rules of gambling laws which are well known today.

For me, winning by means of chat for winners is a dirty strategy done by the admin, but effectively the gambling strategy must be specific, which must involve email, marketing, online which is set in content for a win reset, not in a chat house that determines notification by admin.

Well let's see , if we do go according to the Hollywood pictures , the house does keep track of each and every player and sooner than none , they can track you down , see what strategy you are using and then try and counter that.

But ..


The truth is halfway , most of the time the house is focused on the people who are putting down biggest bets or winning the most , in physical casinos , everywhere is cameras and therefore these cameras is keeping track of each and every player , there are even people who are paid to do just that .

But when it comes to online one , the house barely knows you :D , you don't have to fear about anything until and unless you decide to share if with other people on the forum and apparently someone did inform the house and the strategy was 100% solid.

Therefore I do think it might only imply in the physical casinos .

Just now I came back, super busy earlier. Also, I only thought about it last night, before I went to sleep.

Dice games turned out to be my hobby. It does not exploit or bug, I just use a fair strategy.

I just forgot to put it that I did not expect to beat the house edge because I knew that would not really happen, they have the advantage.

It's okay for me to have at least a little as long as there is.

As long as we know we trust the online casino we are playing, we really have nothing to worry about.

Anyway, thank you all for taking the time to provide answers, I appreciate it.

There is no way the house can report failed strategy to casinos platforms to adjust playing pattern for matching our strategy. Playing of casino had been for years favoring some lucky gamblers but that do not actually mean their strategy works, it's something of luck as well as little or no strategy at all.

Because they know they will ruin their business if they will tweak up and all their efforts will be useless for this things and we see so many casinos doing a good job interms of quality experience.

And for this best not to trust a new casino since we will know how serious they are if they could sustain there casino for long time period, most of those new casinos fucked up their users since some owner create a disposable site for scamming purposes only.

The developers are not making these changes on the fly on seeing the strategy in a chat room, the gambling site works on random number generator and it is near impossible to manipulate if it is a licensed and reputed site as they are bound for audit from what i understand even though i am not an expert in this field. Why you think that the site is manipulating your strategy and which site is that.

In short the house edge always win in terms of profit but if it is about beating or to counter the strategy you use then the house edge can't counter your strategy because if it did then that means that the casino is cheating to their gamblers then that just makes their casino a scam casino.

Because gambling sites will protect their reputation, so I really believe the house can't counter your strategy.
If they wanted to counter every strategy it would appear unfair, it would damage their reputation for fairness.
Chances are they will make you comfortable and you will be gambling in the long run. Eventually what happened
was the house would still win, because no matter how great your strategy may not be effective in the long term.

Yes, house will have edge or say will need to have it if they have to make profits. So this will continue the same way and doubtful about them making any changes in strategy because as you mentioned it could mean that they are cheating it and this is not what the top casinos would be doing it as it will have impact on their business.

I think the house always finds a way to counter your strategy in any gambling games that they do sometimes cheat in the casino, so they could just earn profit. But I don't think it will have an impact to their gambling business because as long they are not being caught by gamblers that they are cheating, they could continue as they want.

Maybe they can, but they won't probably do that to their customers. I mean, if the casino has a lot of customers, they won't focus on you and try to counter your strategy (maybe if you bet a huge amount of money). But I also doubt that legit and trusted casino sites would do such things since it will lose the trust of their customers.

Also, even if you exposed your strategy, it's not even a hundred percent sure that it will work. The house edge has the advantage so I think there's no need for them to do that to their customers.

In the case of bitcoin dice games, then there is no way for the house to counter your strategy without rigging the game. Provided the dice results are totally random, which they should be, then neither you nor the house can do anything in the way of adopting a strategy or a counter-strategy which would change the house edge over the long term.

This is assuming, of course, that the casino you are playing on is provably fair, and allows you to verify that the dice rolls are in fact random. If the site you are using is not provably fair (and make sure you test it yourself and don't just take their word for it), then they can absolutely rig the game against you.

When I was in my young age, I managed to invent some way to advance in an online game without paying any penny. in other words, I have some technique which can ruin the entire game economy. It was not a bug but rather a game flaw which I am the only one who understands base on my personal experience. But the moment I spill the beans, mocking everyone who was struggling with the game and told them I can do such things without even sweating, the game master saw that and inspects my account and found the flaws. That was so fast and the GM fixed the flaws in the next update. so in my experience, whatever strategies you are talking about, you should not tell anybody if you don't want it to be countered by the house or the GM.

Just as I thought, it was dice or slots.

They might check it out once you reveal it.
But I doubt there will be changes.
It may be ignored and be concluded as a lucky streak.
Have you ever seen one who did it before? It's difficult to win against the house.  ;D

It will not be necessary to the house to even think how they will counter you to the strategy that you've revealed.
They are earning more than what you are earning. And in the long run, the house will be the most profitable one.
Though as for myself, I do not reveal how I am winning and what are my strategies, of course to have the edge.

I certainly have the same though as yours. Some also said that the house would make adjustments once a player's strategy is found out, possibly I think. But the house would only do such if your winnings result great impact to the entire casino. Although, I thought that maybe if the casino is really fair they won't do such thing.

All gambler want to play fairly without any manipulation on the site where they are playing. If there is a site that monitor your strategy habit and they will reset it against you, then I think you should verify every bet. A good think if you have any doubt about the fairness of a gambling site, its a good idea to verify that.

However, any strategy we use to gamble will only help us increase our chances of winning and that is temporary. Nothing will achieve consistency when we bet against the system.

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Progressive bets in dice is the best strategy and there is no way that casino will prohibit increasing your bet if you lose. So the dice game is totally random, you just bet on which you think will win high or low and that's it. Actually there is also no way for casino to find out what's going to draw next if they are really fair, it is the system they build that decides what they gonna draw next. Interview some casino millionaires.

Sometimes when I try new casino, I really try their dice game if it is really fair, and I must say some of them are not fair in dice. I roll 10 times with low bets, all high and I roll again 10 times with low bets, all low they will not rig the game until you raise your bets. This is why looking for the fairest casino is a must, don't be fooled with bonuses.

I watched a movie about these genius player that use card counting and going to Las Vegas to earn a huge amount on weekends, one of the my favorite movies titled 21. At that movie, there are these people that watch casinos and if they are suspiciously winning huge amounts, they will be observe and if proven counting, will be taken and beaten by Laurence Fishburne. Anyway, as I said, as long as people are not acutally cheating, the casinos have no problem with it. These people are making ways to beat the system, well, they we're also beaten with huge punches.

With that statement, a certain gambler can win over the house if he will have a good attitude maintaining his discipline.

It's the only possible way to win over the casino house, if you have good strategy
and you see it's working never to overuse it, if possible always stay away from greediness.

For greediness the person himself is responsible for it as their is no end to it . One has to be self contained and know the limits beacuse playing for some fun and at times if you win much better it is but then if without any rationale just playing to make some money might land you in trouble and may lose very big amount as well . So one should be careful about it and play as their own strategy as house have a predefined rule.

No strategy can make you win over the house for a long time. strategies may work but you need to be clever enough to use them wisely. Many people apply the strategy, win few good games but keep on playing and eventually losing all their earned money.

Well, that is possible. But in legal ways perhaps, we can always verify the provably fair system in a certain casino, --that's is the best verification that can never modify by them. I think there is nothing wrong if you are using a strategy with a fair game. The owner will not take advantage of that because that is fair to their system. But perhaps if they will see it is more likely abuse to their system, that is the time they will take action. Besides, there is no strategy that will be used in a long period of time, perhaps there is but in a short period of time.

If a website is rigged and is not good with you winning even a cent from there, it is possible that the admin might call the developer to let them know about the 'exploit' to be stopped and make immediate changes to the gaming code so to make us lose in the long run. Many games do not have the provably fair option available, which can be a perk to the admins of that casino.

If that's the case then admin will just let you use that "fair strategy". If you win big then that's it. If you tell that on trollbox, they won't bother too.

They won't look at their system just because you always win on that fair strategy and modifying it in favor of them. It will just lead to ruining their reputation*. I mean why should they adjust their system just because they saw someone winning on their strategy. They have lots of players and some know about the technical aspect of the system and have an idea of how proved their bet is under the provably fair system.

And besides, that strategy will soon be wrecked in the long-run of playing. House can't ever be defeated. That's why if ever you hit a good profit using that fair strategy of yours, take that session as a day and come back the other time.

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