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August 15, 2020, 02:01:45 PM
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Please be patient with my question, I rarely make a topic. hihi  Grin

I just realized to myself and it suddenly came to my mind while browsing through the gambling threads and while I was also thinking about my past online gambling experiences.

So here's the question:
Is there a possibility that the house can counter the strategy you are using if you inform or expose it in the chat and the admin finds out and can he report it to the developer to make immediate adjustments to the betting trend?

Sounds weird I think right?

But I still want to know your answers, gambler masters. Thanks  Wink

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August 15, 2020, 02:31:59 PM
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What games do have you in mind when you ask this question? The vast majority of casino games fall in to one of two categories:
  • Pure chance, such as roulette or dice busting games
  • Set rules for the house, such as blackjack or craps

In these two examples, there is no way for the house to counter your strategy because there is nothing for them to change. The rules of the game are pre-set. The only games I can think of where someone can adopt a strategy to counter your strategy would be games where you are playing against other people, such as poker, as opposed to games your are playing against the house. If the house was to suddenly change the rules of blackjack for example, and declare they are going to stand on a 16 rather than on a 17, then it would be completely obvious to anyone playing.

It's probably worth pointing out that the house doesn't need to counter your strategy. No strategy will be able to consistently beat the house edge long term.
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August 15, 2020, 02:48:09 PM
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Hmm, well they can't. Because the house has to be fair, which means they can't change outcome of every single individual bets placed and if they did, that would mean they are not being fair and hence they would be just cheating. But, the house just wants you to play, play long, doesn't matter whatever strategy you play with, the house is always going to win in the long run because of the house edge Tongue
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August 15, 2020, 03:07:20 PM
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When you expose your plans of using any of the strategies, the gambling site might take advantage of the same. House always try to make earning out of the gamblers, but these days gambling sites are legit in their functioning. This is all because of the increased number of gambling sites available to try our luck.

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August 15, 2020, 03:09:11 PM
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Maybe in their future updates they can see the possibility to change it just like how they update the program when there are some issues or leaks encountered,but to counter it on the spot per within that day or week is seems impossible since they will for sure need more time to test it, figure it out as it may need to be approved by the team as well they might already agreed and set the program as it is, if they will change it fast, it may cause bad impact or feedback on the casino as it shows manipulation.

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August 15, 2020, 03:09:36 PM
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Unless you might be taking advantage of some bugs or an exploit that the house didn't see, I don't think they would be "countering" your strategy. That would make the game unfair if they will be countering every strategy they know. And I agree that even though you have lines and lines of strategy to do, the house have the edge.

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August 15, 2020, 03:21:33 PM
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So here's the question:
Is there a possibility that the house can counter the strategy you are using if you inform or expose it in the chat and the admin finds out and can he report it to the developer to make immediate adjustments to the betting trend?

Sounds weird I think right?

But I still want to know your answers, gambler masters. Thanks  Wink
First, I'm not a gambling master, to be honest. Second, I would never laid down any strategy (if I have) publicly if it really worked in the first place unless there's someone willing to use it with a fee but not public as well. Lastly, I don't think there's' much developer can do to counter the "Provably Fair" system especially the clientseed.
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August 15, 2020, 03:31:57 PM
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So here's the question:
Is there a possibility that the house can counter the strategy you are using if you inform or expose it in the chat and the admin finds out and can he report it to the developer to make immediate adjustments to the betting trend?


This is a bit tricky, let's assume you strategy is not an exploit. Because you found an exploit within the casino and would make it publicly available so others could you is it. I think the casino would react very fast to fix any loop hole.

But if you just run a normal strategy without any exploit and might be running hot, I don't think the casino would change their game just because of you. There are tons of players and when changing their game just to counter your personal strategy I might make the casino vulnerable to other strategies.

Also there is a huge risk of such behaviour becoming public and ruining the creditability of the casino.
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August 15, 2020, 03:39:24 PM
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They can in the long run, and it also depends on the game that you are playing. In dice, there's no doubt that they can easily take your money the longer you play on their website and you may not even see a streak of profit that lasts more than a week. The house edge is designed to have that, well, edge over the players in order to not lose money on the long haul.

Is there a possibility that the house can counter the strategy you are using if you inform or expose it in the chat and the admin finds out and can he report it to the developer to make immediate adjustments to the betting trend?

This, IMO, falls under unfair practices of operating a gambling site. You already have the house edge, why would operators tweak their games even further to have the odds in their favor even more? I would understand if the strats you are using are some kind of exploitable bug within the system, but if what you're doing is clean and not against their ToS and is a game feature, I couldn't see why operators should refine what already is a working and fair game to profit even more.

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August 15, 2020, 03:49:31 PM
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Admin will take that if they see that the strategy are really working and the house are being exposed,

there's no way that they won't take actions as they can be like a cow breastfeeders for the gamblers.

There's adjustment that will be done, though there's also possibilities that they will bite you for a while

then make a kill once you put your guards down.

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August 15, 2020, 05:32:24 PM
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Please be patient with my question, I rarely make a topic. hihi  Grin

I just realized to myself and it suddenly came to my mind while browsing through the gambling threads and while I was also thinking about my past online gambling experiences.

So here's the question:
Is there a possibility that the house can counter the strategy you are using if you inform or expose it in the chat and the admin finds out and can he report it to the developer to make immediate adjustments to the betting trend?

Sounds weird I think right?

But I still want to know your answers, gambler masters. Thanks  Wink

I doubt that the house are going to counter your strategy just because you are winning or expose it in the chat. Maybe the admin will look at your strategy, nevertheless, they won't do anything on their part, they still have the proverbial ace on their side, which is call house edge.

Sooner or later, this house edge will get the better of your strategy, the only thing you have though is luck. So don't stretch them, if you are in a winning side, then quit. No need to tell your strategy in chat.
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August 15, 2020, 08:00:38 PM
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Possibility does exist but it depends on the casino itself whether they are trusted and fair or not.
I remember there was a site called luckygames who did cheat player by rigging the game because the player took an advantage from a +EV chance offered by the site.
It was not a cheating from the player's end but the casino decided to cheat the player.
It is an example that it is possible for a casino to counter your strategy. In this example, player's strategy is like a card counting.

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August 15, 2020, 08:22:54 PM
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No, they can't or better to say they shouldn't although in theory that is possible. Casinos need to be fair and not misuse such situations. At first glance that might seem as disadvantage for the house but on the long run it's always the house who is on the winning side.

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August 15, 2020, 08:32:52 PM
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If there is a house edge, there's no chance that a gambler would win in the long run, that is design to make them profitable to sustain their business.

What you are talking might be some bug or glitch that gives you an edge to win which is not anymore normal, of course if the team finds out about that, they will correct their system but not the house edge. Sometimes even if there is no problem with the system and they find a gambler very lucky winning big money most of the time, they just adjust the limit of such gambler, so they would really adjust to keep up their purpose which is to profit.

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August 15, 2020, 09:57:12 PM
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If there is a house edge, there's no chance that a gambler would win in the long run, that is design to make them profitable to sustain their business.

What you are talking might be some bug or glitch that gives you an edge to win which is not anymore normal, of course if the team finds out about that, they will correct their system but not the house edge. Sometimes even if there is no problem with the system and they find a gambler very lucky winning big money most of the time, they just adjust the limit of such gambler, so they would really adjust to keep up their purpose which is to profit.

Most probably. I even lose in dice when I tried roll under for 97 and I still lose.  Grin You just can't win unless you tried some patterns and stop when you win some.  If they see you constnatly win, they'd have to check your account to see what is going on. Casino is designed to make them money and if you lose through your account its definitely worth countering.

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August 15, 2020, 10:05:54 PM
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Casinos don't need to bother countering your strategy. They always apply their rules in terms of averages. If the game is based on pure chance and there is a house edge, then no strategy will work against the casino in the long run.

When taking the total userbase of the casino, and looking at the number of people winning using a particular strategy, you will typically find that more people are losing vs winning with that exact strategy.

If they were to modify the rules to counter the strategy, they would end up shooting themselves in the foot, since it would completely break trust with users and demonstrate that their games are flawed.

Remember kids, there are no strategies in games of luck—just delay systems.

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August 15, 2020, 10:14:01 PM
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They can in the long run, and it also depends on the game that you are playing. In dice, there's no doubt that they can easily take your money the longer you play on their website and you may not even see a streak of profit that lasts more than a week. The house edge is designed to have that, well, edge over the players in order to not lose money on the long haul.

Is there a possibility that the house can counter the strategy you are using if you inform or expose it in the chat and the admin finds out and can he report it to the developer to make immediate adjustments to the betting trend?

This, IMO, falls under unfair practices of operating a gambling site. You already have the house edge, why would operators tweak their games even further to have the odds in their favor even more? I would understand if the strats you are using are some kind of exploitable bug within the system, but if what you're doing is clean and not against their ToS and is a game feature, I couldn't see why operators should refine what already is a working and fair game to profit even more.
This is only to those gambling sites that arent really made just for running up the business for long term but rather they do just target out to scam out their users in the first place.Its true that no one can really beat the house, there might be some big winnings but in the end of the day they would be the ones who do smile considering that they do still make profit since we know that games are pre-set or designed that way.
For gambling site owners who do aim for long term runs then theres no need to tweak or cheat up player because when someone caught you up then your business is fucked up.
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August 15, 2020, 10:20:03 PM
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Is there a possibility that the house can counter the strategy you are using if you inform or expose it in the chat and the admin finds out and can he report it to the developer to make immediate adjustments to the betting trend?

Do you mean a gambler finds a way to beat the house always? I don't think that's possible unless there's a flaw in the system.

I don't see why the house should counter anyone's strategy. After all, gamblers are dealing with the house's own algorithm.

No matter what's the gambler's strategy, the house edge is still the same - random hashes.

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August 15, 2020, 10:22:30 PM
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Depends on how much you make money on that gambling site and didn’t lose that much, your account might be put on a watch list and the house will decide on how they can force you to lose money.

Its hard to make strategies on a luck based games so the house knows this thing and they might not make a lot of effort to monitor you. If you have strategies better to keep it on your own especially if you think its working, just make sure to done this accordingly for you not to be more suspicious account. The house will always win, and some gamblers will suffer for that, this is the basic way for the house to secure money.

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August 15, 2020, 11:27:29 PM
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Please be patient with my question, I rarely make a topic. hihi  Grin

I just realized to myself and it suddenly came to my mind while browsing through the gambling threads and while I was also thinking about my past online gambling experiences.

So here's the question:
Is there a possibility that the house can counter the strategy you are using if you inform or expose it in the chat and the admin finds out and can he report it to the developer to make immediate adjustments to the betting trend?

Sounds weird I think right?

But I still want to know your answers, gambler masters. Thanks  Wink

Maybe no if you just use that strategy in short period of time since for sure all randomized in provably fair system but if the house detects that there are certain strategies working against them and been used by many gamblers  then provably on their next update they will counter it so that those strategies will not work on their site.

But I don't think its really have any of those since we all know provably fair system is pure luck based games maybe this strategy things will only applicable on card games or other skill based games.

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