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I avoid this part of the forum as much as possible because I am not a person who enjoys endless discussions about someone’s reputation or similar things. I try to follow the rules of the forum and be as correct as possible towards other users, which I do not always succeed in, but I think that most people perceive me as a positive person on the forum (exceptions, of course, always exist).

What particularly bothers me is that someone calls me a signature spammer, because I have never been one and I have zero tolerance for such people. Although I do not pay much attention to such things, I have been in a similar situation many times as today, so I think I should react and point out the somewhat strange behavior of a user who indirectly called me a signature spammer. He of course shares the opinion of some other members of my local community who also used the same terminology when I was concerned.

I would ask members to visit this topic : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5265233.20 (https://archive.vn/lehNQ) and to tell me what they think of the member dkbit98 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1410401) and his opinion that I am a signature spammer or his attitude in general when we speak of some solid facts?

Interestingly, the person in question shares an identical opinion with his colleague from the local board :



Translated : "Glad it helps you in your CM weekly quota"

I know that there is great envy and contempt for those who are members of the CM campaign, and dkbit98 is applied in same campaign few times (unsuccessful) just like his pal btcltcdigger - but that does not give them the right to call other signatures spammers.

Question I want to ask the members of this forum: In your opinion, is Lucius a person who only meets his signature quota, which would mean that he is a signature spammer, or are user comments like dkbit98 completely unfounded and inappropriate?

Local rule : dkbit98&btcltcdigger are not allowed to post here - their opinion is already quite familiar to me.

dkbit98 behaved quite irrational in that linked topic.
My guess would be that he is somehow affiliated with the cheap 1960's style hardware wallet. Therefore he sounded a little bit harsh whenever someone was criticizing it.

Just check the spreadsheet containing all participants. People are removed quite frequently when they don't meet the quality standards anymore.
As long as you are not removed, you can be assured that your posts are not considered spam.

I disagree with you in some topics (i.e. when debating about windows 7), but wouldn't consider it being spam.

So to answer your question: No. IMO dkbit98 simply is not fully in control of his emotions. Don't take it personal.

Nah, you are not a signature spammer. You are actually some one knowledge and helpful as I have read most of your responses to different topics around the forum.
Why would someone take it so personal just because you disagreed with them on a few topics. The signature quota jibe was below the belt and wasn't really necessary

If I can remember correctly, I have seen you helping people on the forum a few times. This simply proves that you are not a signature spammer in my opinion.
One more thing is that I know how Darkstar_ manage campaign here. If he finds anyone as signature spammer, I am sure that he will remove the participant. Everyone should know that CM is not that easy to get or easy to keep up unless participant is a decent one.
Maybe dkbit98 has something wrong with you. May be you have hurt him before.
One thing I understand in this forum that if you raise your voice, you are making a lot of enemies here, I have been a victim of such case. Anyway, I think you should sort out the matter with dkbit98 through PM.

As far as i'm concerned, i've always liked the way you post. I can't recall any instances in which I perceived any of your posts a being spammy.

I don't want to dig into this particular occurence, but i can say i've been called a sigspammer a couple of times, usually when having a discussion with somebody that was losing said discussion (at least from my point of view). I've always seen these shout-outs as a hail-mary pass.
I guess the general idear is: "I don't agree with this user, but i cannot win this discussion, so i'll point out this user is wearing a signature instead and hope other people will change their point of view towards my opponent and also brand him a sigspammer. Thus avoiding the valid points he/she is making in this discussion. This way I can distract other people from the fact i'm losing and save face ".

Once again: i don't know if this was the case here, it's just something that has happened to me a couple of times before. And i've seen similar instances involving other people aswell.

You are not a signature spammer in anyway, dkbit98 don't even seem to be a friendly person overall.

Creating a thread about someone and not letting them respond is quite nasty. I did that once to Quickseller (I think) and I still feel bad about it. ;D

dkbit98's advice in your trust feedback is spot on. Grow a thicker skin. Pretty much everyone with a paid signature gets called a sig spammer at some point. Creating a thread about it just proves their point.

This thread title though... made me think you're dkbit98's alt.

I honestly don't think that's the case here. Maybe it's just me, but his comment looked more like a tease than claiming you are just a signature spammer. People say that to each other quite often here, especially when they have different opinion about something and if I am you I wouldn't give it a second thought, let alone make topic about such an irrelevant remark.

He has already said everything he had, why he would have to express his opinions here? I was interested in what others thought, and I'm glad that some members wrote their honest opinion without fear of getting such silly feedback as that little genius left me. Now after your post I believe others will be much more careful with their posts.

As for feedback, do you think something needs to be written literally to be said? What he was implying was that I literally spammed his thread with my signature to collect a couple of posts, but no one will say that I was just correcting his inaccurate statements which is why he reacted that way.

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Thanks for the answer, anyone who wants to be objective can see the situation exactly as it is - I do not take things personally, but this is not the first time I experience the same from the same person, so I decided to react.

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JeromeTash , Little Mouse, mocacinno , hacker1001101001 thanks for your posts.

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Rikafip, I did not expect that you or any other member from Croatian local board will come here and support me against dkbit98 in any way, but I think I have the right, like any other member, to open a thread about anything - even if it seemed completely irrelevant to you.

While you are correct that he has already said what he thinks about you but still it would be pretty good to see why he thinks that you are a signature spammer, simply making correction of his post would never make a man feel someone is signature spammer. I would always appreciate anyone who correct me when I am wrong. I doubt that was the case here. You would rather allow him to post here and express what's the inner actually.

That's just called not being respectful to others, and spamming on there trust wall. Looks like you are saying trust feedbacks are a nice place to send advice. ( coming from someone in DT )

I agree, and I also posted in that thread.  Upon revisiting it just now, it looks like two members got defensive and it escalated way past the point that it should have.  

You and dkbit98 are both helpful posters as far as I'm concerned, and I don't see any real issues you two should have with each other, though I understand you took offense to him alluding to you satisfying your "signature quote" (lol).  I get the feeling dkbit98 thinks there's an extreme bias in the HW section toward Ledger products, and he was feeling just a little bit grouchy about that while making replies.  

My suggestion:  both of you bury the hatchet.  You're both valuable members of the forum.  And even if dkbit98 doesn't want to bury said hatchet, at least take the high road yourself and let it go.  No harm, no foul.  And the consensus seems to be that what he wrote about you isn't true.

Edit: Just noticed dkbit98 gave you a merit, so perhaps that's his form of an olive branch....?

There is an accusation being made in this thread but the accused is not allowed to respond here. Neutral feedback is appropriate. Negative (or positive) would not be. Ideally both these users should ignore each other and go their separate ways but that almost never happens here on Bitcointalk.

Now excuse me, I'm off to create a thread complaining about hacker1001101001 using a mild ad hominem against me in a discussion. The audacity! Unacceptable.


More of a "fuck you" merit probably for being unable to respond directly ;D

But yes, let's call it an olive branch, hit ignore and lock and go back to our regularly scheduled programming of other inconsequential dramas.

Let me start by saying: "me too!". Everyone's entitled to their opinion.

Agreed!
Can I persuade you into changing this local rule? It looks better on you to allow the accused to defend themselves.

For what it's worth: I like (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0) how you guys are using the correct Neutral feedback to express your opinion on each other:
Don't worry too much about it. Neutral feedback is meant for opinions.

The kids are too wild to thoroughly read everything, but I noticed this:
It would be so much better to just report off-topic posts, especially on a serious board like Hardware wallets (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=261.0).

That's good advice for virtually anything you see on the internet.

So much I can agree on in one post :)

I really don't get why people would read posts if they already know they don't like what they're going to read. Adding a few users per year makes the forum nicer to read.

I very seldom take part in discussions like this because they are mostly a waste of both time and energy and everything usually ends up in endless discussions without the right conclusion.
However, this time I will make an exception because of this statement that you made, which is not true.
In a way, you are accusing the entire Croatian local community of being against you, and that does not correspond to the facts.
The best proof of this can be found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5231377.msg53991317#msg53991317 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5231377.msg53991317#msg53991317)
So, it was dkbit98 who proposed you for the future moderator of the Croatian section of the forum, and that proposal was supported by other members of our Croatian community, including me.
It is your choice how active you want to be in the local part of the forum, but you can't claim that Croatian members are against you and support someone else because that doesn't correspond to reality.
I think you have already heard enough opinions on this topic and I suggest you lock this topic because everything has already been said and the future discussion will not bring anything new or bring something positive.

@Lucius, I know you for a long time already and can't say any bad word about you. You're definitely not signature spammer. From what I saw in all these years here, you're helpful user who make good posts, I'm not really sure why dkbit98 called you spammer.
I don't know him very well, but I don't think he is bad guy. I follow that topic and got involved in discussion too. He have completely different opinion than most users there and he defends his possion in very passionate way. It's ok - that's the point of discussion forum. But it's not a reason to call someone signature spammer just because you don't agree with him. And if you don't agree with him - you're part of Ledger cult :).

I was fully prepared to bash Lucius when I went through the thread. In fact, that was my original intention: to present a devil's advocate in the presence of many consenting opinions.

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There is nothing more to say about how Lucius handled the situation. It was the exact pace that I would have considered from someone that 'aims to curb spam' and it was the minimal number of posts required to stop the conversation.

Analysis:

The first post that starts stepping into this topic from dkbit98's end is #27 and the relevant sections are quoted:


Tautologically, we can say that dkbit is claiming, "there are no smartphones that are smaller than the Nokia phone," which was answered by Lucius in his response:


It sufficiently answers the question, but dkbit98 is unaware of the measurements causing Lucius to answer again.

Then, we're met with this reply:


It is the epitome of defending a bad take.

Lucius's final post ends the discussion, which means that all the posts required for resolving it were posted - there haven't been any extra posts that seemed unnecessary.


And then, ironically...

Perfect. Why this thread then?

But now that we're here, shall we address the irony of Lucius abusing the trust system by negging deisik for being a signature spammer? And now flipping out about someone implying he's a sig spammer himself? Kids these days.

What made me laugh (or should I say - made my day) was the fact that the person in question (dkbit I'm talking about) was the one who merited your post. Maybe he understood already that this way of trying to mud up someone's reputation by just saying this simple-yet-complicated statement that s/he is a signature spammer won't work anymore hehe. :D
Look, there was a race organized between dogs and a cheetah to see who runs fast! All the dogs ran after the gunshot, but cheetah was just laying down there and watching those dogs running. Cheetah didn't run. Moral is - you need not to prove others your worth because sometimes, it's an insult to prove that you're the best.

Nah, I can't call you a spammer by the way. But to be honest, the post wasn't necessary. Whoever wearing paid signature, most of them I think encounter spammer title. Also, dkbit98 hadn't called you a spammer as I can see on the quote. Simply speaking "you filled your signature quota" isn't the same thing as call a spammer. But yes, if you say it's a criticism, then I would agree. I am making this post, will not it fill my signature quota? So if you call me a spammer for that, I wouldn't mind at all. As others said, build your skin more thicker.

Not agree, you should allow them since even you mentioned the name on the topic title. This thread-like your reputation thread, so reputation thread shouldn't self-moderated.

I was almost certain that I wouldn't do well if you appeared in this thread - but I'm glad you decided to be objective and read the thread from which you made a completely logical analysis of what actually happened.

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Don't I have the right to open a thread once or twice in 5 years in this part of the forum? If someone in this case indirectly says that my posts are just filling in the signature quota it means nothing more than that I am a signature spammer - but as some others have noticed I have only responded to his false statements, so now I have become a spammer, and a liar who make fake claims.


I was wondering when you would pull this case out, and it's entirely justified that this feedback should have been neutral - but I still refuse to change it even though they kicked me out of DT for it and none of the DT members will give me positive feedback because I am trust abuser. But how many such trust abuse is given by DT members in past and even today, and I do not see anyone kicked out from DT for doing that...

In fact, I'm glad I found out what some members think of me, and that you completely agree with dkbit98 that I am posting in this forum only to fill my signature quota+that I am making fake claims+that I am just a kid.

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As I already wrote, I did not expect any support from the local board, and the fact that I was proposed as a moderator at one point means nothing - I left the local board because I received the same messages as in this case - posting just for fill my daily quota. Everyone just wants me to lock the thread, has freedom of expression got to the point that a few posts will destroy the forum?

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I know that it is not ethical to forbid someone to defend themselves, but it is also more than clear what both users meant in their statements - I honestly do not want to communicate with such people at all now or in the future.

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Coolcryptovator, Stedsm , LTU_btc, The Pharmacist thanks for your posts.

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I would like to hear the opinions of a few more people who normally appear in such threads - and then I will fulfill everyone's wish and lock the thread.

Of course you have the right to open a thread about anything that bothers you, and maybe that couldn't be understood from my previous post so let me be more clear this time: it is so obvious that you are constructive and quality poster that answer to question "Am I a signature spammer?" feels too redundant to even write, when everything is perfectly clear. You are part of this forum and  ChipMixer campaign for too long to need pat on the back/reassurance over such an insignificant remark. @Stedsm explained it nicely with his little story about dogs and cheetah. And that's why I thought that this topic wasn't really needed, but to each his own.
 

I was responding to actmyname's comment on how you handled the situation in the other thread.


That's some seriously flawed logic. Two wrongs don't make it right.


There is a huge difference between saying that you should let it go and completely agreeing with your opponent. You need to allow the possibility that more than one side in a dispute might be acting irrationally.


That's what ignore is for. But if you open a thread complaining about someone and don't want to allow the other side to state their case - that's quite pointless.

I'm sorry to hear that our proposal that you become a moderator in Croatian local board means nothing to you.
I supported that proposal, as well as some other Croatian members because we respect you as a older and distinguished member of this forum.
Also,  we didn't forget your great support in the unban request for Croatian member Regulushr.
I'm grateful for your support for Regulushr.
Your shared your honest opinion there and really helped our case.
I'm sorry if you had problem later because of it.
I don't know what kind of messages you received in the Croatian local board but I don't think it's good to generalize and put everyone in the same basket.
I suggest you that any unresolved issue you solve with the people concerned.
I just shared my opinion but you don't have to be upset with my suggestion to lock the thread.
If you have more to share please do it.
I'm not interesting in anything else here .
Also,  I really don't think that many Croatian members are interesting in this issue but it doesn't mean they have something against you if they don't write here.

So I see how a nice thread is opened in the Croatian board about me, in which the person in question for some reason known only to him calls me with a female name and Lucifer, and his old buddy btcltcdigger who earn 1 BTC every month (and in same time shitposting for 1000 sat per post ) calls me retarded. It’s really a wonderful community, where some members obviously have vocabulary that’s hard to find anywhere on the forum. I wish you good fun, because I see that the little genius and the team are having a really good time at my expense.

If anyone is interested -> Lažov Lucija (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=hr&sl=hr&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fbitcointalk.org%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D5271305.0)

What else can I say but that I'm sorry that I ever got in touch with people like dkbit98 and the like - everything he did after I opened this thread shows what kind of character he is.

We got one more here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5271472.0


True indeed.

Going straight to reply button, he didn't call you spammer, he said that "you filled your signature quota".
Are you suggesting that 2 users are not allowed to have similar opinion  ???
What if I tell you that I think that you start posting in Croatian Local board just because DarkStar_ announced that CM is paying posts in local boards? You have never posted a single word in our local before that and TBH I can agree with dkbit98 on "filling quota" but I don't think you are sig spammer. You can fill quota with constructive posts as well.

Lock this topic and stop embarrassing yourself.

Another one from the Croatian board that demands the same, but I didn't expect anything different from you. The only shame is that you are all defending a person who is at the level of a 15 year old child and with his actions he shames only himself.

Your insinuations are hilarious to say the least, did I ever need a local board to fulfill something as banal as some number of posts? All my posts or even most in Croatian board were over 50 max anyway, which would mean they were free/unpaid.

You asked for opinion, I gave you one, it is not my problem that you don't like to hear different opinions, but as you wish:
On February 10., you created topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224688.0 and you literally announced that you have never posted in Croatian local and, you made 4 posts (I don't know how many posts you removed). That was week #143 (spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17P52DifaD7YfvzLkX3wrxGVpKcaPHY4y57ZpI-FK754/edit#gid=1201904140)), payout written in spreadsheet is the same as here https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/1c992d77c3d1539f42d6330f3782029a93f7e82fad9a200a1372083a03cc1838 and posted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.msg53847954#msg53847954). It says:
"total counted posts: 49, not counted: 2".


Thanks for wasting my time with your last post.

As far as I can see, you only mention 2 members of the Croatian forum here, but you give yourself the right to attack all about 40 members of the Croatian section of this forum.
The fact that there are always conflicts and serious quarrels in every community is not something new and unknown, but it's unusual that because of the opinion of one or two members in a particular community to publicly attack all members of that community or group.
Do you really think that this little conflict you have with dkbit98 is so important for the members of the Croatian community that everyone should run here and express their opinion?
Trust me there are much more important things in everyone’s life  ;D
I got involved in this discussion not because of this little conflict you two have,and I really can’t be less worried about it, but to protect the dignity of the Croatian members of this forum that you have unreasonably attacked.
I regularly follow the Croatian part of the forum and I don't remember anyone ever attacking you there or saying anything bad to you.
If that happened anyway, then you should have started a new topic here in reputation.
In the meantime, please stop generalizing and putting all people in the same basket, because that’s not right.
I will always be grateful to you for all the positive things you have done for our Croatian community, especially for your support for the unban of our member Regulushr.
Your posts on that topic in Meta really helped and I'm really sorry that you deleted them all.
I hope you didn't have any problems because of your views that you expressed there?
That was the main reason why I trusted you and proposed you as a moderator in the Croatian section of the forum.
However, the unargued attack of the whole community is really wrong and I hope that you will see it for yourself, apologize and correct it.
As for the conflict between you and dkbit98, it's solely a matter of you two and I'm not interested in that story at all.
But I will always be interested in defending myself and others from unfounded attacks and generalizations.

No, you are not a signature spammer! I have constantly benefited from the posts you made in the past. Here are some in threads I also posted in, or threads I intended to post in but succumbed to forgetfulness. I regularly post in Economics, Speculation and Wallets so that's mainly where I find your posts.

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Generally people in chipmixer campaign are more likely to get harassed about posting to fill their quota, usually by people in lower paying campaigns who can't make it in. In fact almost nobody on the spreadsheet reaches close to 50 posts a week. Well I misread the sheet; there are a number of people who have maxed out posts but those people are some of the most helpful on the forum.

I do not normally appear in such threads - there's just too much drama for my taste and I really don't waste my time on it. Since it's from our Local - I'll give my opinion anyway.

Nobody thinks you are a signature spammer. It would be good if you stopped using it as any argument. We Croatians are snippy, fast on the tongue and use satirical comments often - you must be aware of that. Even if he wrote something like it - you should know what stands behind it and you should not be offended by it.

Blocking them from posting here is a move I disapprove, that's why now there are multiple threads - and it's just adding to the childishness from both of you. You are both good posters and things like these are unnecessary.

I'd like to see you back in Local, but you probably won't like it if you don't act like one of us. Being a drama queen over petty things isn't in our blood, we are offensive and loud. But we are also not mean, disrespectful and dishonest.

Just my 2 cents, now waiting for the drama to pass.

@Lucius, A little advice, for both of you, many ways to solve problems, whether big or small, Telegram, PM, etc.

No need to exaggerate something that no one else knows, this is just "misunderstanding" you with @dkbit98.

I often read the history of Croats, they are all friendly and kind, your country is the richest country and all Croats are highly educated, none of you are not attending free and 'mandatory' school for all of you, you live in the best country in the world right now, full of professors and scientists, this debate only tarnishes the good name of the Croatian people, you live full of peace and prosperity, resolve this problem peacefully and in harmony.

If you feel bored or emotional, try to take a vacation to the island 'Hvar' or 'Zlatni Rat' beach maybe there you can relax and relax a little.

End this problem, local forum members in Croatia still need you, to discuss Bitcoin and related matters with the Bitcointalk Forum.
Try to follow the trail: (Rudjer Boskovic) who can save the ruins.