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Fidelity is moving into the Digital Asset Management with a new Fund:

Fidelity President Files For New Bitcoin Fund (https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldelcastillo/2020/08/26/fidelity-president-files-for-new-bitcoin-fund/)


They adds some detail:


This is another anedoctical evidence of the new #Phase5 as PlanB has been calling it.
Bitcoin as hard money and Store of Value, but also as decorrelated  asset (hypotesys under scrutiny) to extract yield without incrreasing portfolio volatility.

Bitcoin is gaining traction amongst institutional investors.
This is a topic I am focusing a lot lately:

Warren Buffet bought “Gold” for the first time. When Bitcoin? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269245)
MicroStrategy Buys $250M in Bitcoin, Calling the Crypto ‘Superior to Cash’ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5268108)
Everything you wanted to know about Grayscale BTC Trust but were afraid to ask! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5256529)
ETC Group to launch bitcoin ETP on Deutsche Boerse (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5254380)


Also there are diverse anedoctical news, who let you understand what is the focus, even in the most bitcoin-advese institutions:
Goldman Sachs Is Hiring a New VP of Digital Assets (https://cointelegraph.com/news/goldman-sachs-is-hiring-a-new-vp-of-digital-assets)

What is striking to me, is how the traditional, legacy exchanges are so lagging behind if the insitutional money is so ready to flow into the Bitcoin ecosystem:


If those are the numbers: where are they buying (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188060.msg55069268#msg55069268)? On Huobi?

I am going to find out.

Edit:
PlanB tweeted about this news in the most obvious way:

https://twitter.com/100trillionusd/status/1298721704873615360?s=21

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Fidelity published a series of articles focusing on "Bitcoin Investment Thesis" .

•   Bitcoin as an Inspirational Store of Value (https://www.fidelitydigitalassets.com/articles/aspirational-store-of-value)
  
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  This report explores the belief that bitcoin can offer asymmetric upside if retail and institutional investors widely adopt it as a store of value.
• Bitcoin's role as an alternative investment (https://www.fidelitydigitalassets.com/bin-public/060_www_fidelity_com/documents/FDAS/bitcoin-alternative-investment.pdf)
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  In the second part of our "Bitcoin Investment Thesis" series, "Bitcoin's role as an alternative investment" we examine bitcoin's ability to provide optimization benefits in a portfolio

Very cool news.  I found this quote to be particularly interesting:


The bolded part caught my attention.  Was the CEO of Fidelity really mining bitcoin?  Props to her if she was, and if she was doing it before or during 2017 she probably made a lot of money.

I have no idea, but you bring up a good point.  Bakkt?  They're basically an options trading platform, but you can take physical delivery of bitcoin if you want as far as I know.  I seriously doubt any institution with deep pockets is using any of the exchanges the rest of us do.  Who knows?  Maybe some of them have deals worked out with companies like Coinbase and Gemini.

If you're going to attempt to find out the answer to that question, I'd be interested to hear what you come up with.

Ah, yes.
They like to get their hands dirty:

Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining cryptocurrencies (https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/28/fidelity-ceo-abigail-johnson-says-the-company-is-mining-cryptocurrencies/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGtfXTh8FqppM231KC49EuXDUKsAKDCz372WSJb6s20P9xOkZ97KJcBLnw3P4mRxWcv0el3mJaMIOdRRt7_uE0Q70B5_shk6rt8ALUVm8QOrg7TlnENiBXGzjwt6Xds-pzOXnzX5NhHe--aJ4ClEvy3URogsDSBcfe7s91h5JwJQ)

Some details:

She mined herself 0,002 BTC.
She is now amongst the people that immediately recognised the value of Bitcoin.
Not like the writer of this post who needed several years to get into the rabbit hole.

Thank you @fillippone for sharing this news.
I think this is what we need for our environment & community. 
BTC is not anymore just a "fancy" "nerd" money or just a speculation, but something that It's going to assume a strong value also in real world, and against all bets also in financial environment.
It was some years ago that Overstock started to accept bitcoin as form of payment, and now look where we are, it's just amazing!
[it's always cool to see that also a CEO has mined bitcoin some years ago ;) ]

It seems that only positive news has been coming lately, and when we read words like "Bitcoin fund, Fidelity, $8.3 trillion" in the same sentence, then in combination with everything else we can conclude that there is a lot of interest in investing in Bitcoin.

I remember Fidelity popping up in the media about 3 years ago when it allowed its clients to gain insight into their crypto holdings on the Fidelity site through Coinbase.


It is also significant that the company then admitted that it wanted to learn more about digital currencies, which after three years resulted in the establishment of the Bitcoin fund. If we look at the moves of some other companies listed in the OP, and the moves of banks in the EU (Germany) or recently in the USA, can we say that 2017 was a year in which large institutions like Fidelity began to take Bitcoin more seriously, but it took them several years to decide on more serious moves?

fillippone , what do you think about the amount of money that could enter Bitcoin through Fidelity? Given all the huge trillions of dollars that their clients have with them, can we say that between 3-5% would be a realistic figure or is it an exaggeration?

You could sum it up that way. Introducing a fund would mean exposing it to their investors and they would need to do a lot of research on it as well as work out the technical and legal procedures inorder to arrive at the finished product. During that time they and their investors could have personally been heavily invested in bitcoin.

@fillipone, this is another bullish news and when you put it together the way you have, it shows a pattern of interest from the institutional sector, a few years ago, institutional money coming into Bitcoin was only discussed as a possibility. Bull run imminent?

An interesting series of tweets by Willy Woo, regarding the BitMex hack.

https://twitter.com/woonomic/status/1311941304532627456?s=21

On the last point:

https://twitter.com/woonomic/status/1311941309007970306?s=21

And lastly, coming in topic:


They even explicitly wrote it in the official press release:


Of course, cleaning the trading environment from illicit practices get Bitcoin Trading more reliable, safe for investors and more compliant with the US domestic rules.

I think that would be a massive step in the direction of the removal of the conditions didn’t allow  for an ETF approval.
They are basically paving the way for Fidelity.

fillippone, the fund for which the request was initiated by Fidelity is not ETF if I understood correctly from OP? This latest BitMEX news and comments from the CFTC should then be on the trail of some future ETF that we know has been of interest to a number of different companies in the past.

If things have to start cleaning up from somewhere, then BitMEX is a great start - but I wonder if the crypto market can be regulated to the extent that it meets the SEC criteria for the BTC ETF? As far as I know there is not a single active ETF request since the SEC rejected the last one in February this year (Wilshire Phoenix).

21 Inc, this brings back memories, are they still in business? The article is from 2017....remember something about a rebranding or something but I don't think they have launched any new mining gear ..

But about the cleaning, I'm not that optimistic about it, yeah, sounds good, everything will be legal, regulated no more face volume and insider trading, but this doesn't happen even in the already heavily regulated environment, it will take a lot for cryptos, and a lot of people will stick to those shady exchanges, those even worse than bitmex. Not everyone sees regulation and more rules as something good.

Correct.
The fund in OP is not an ETF, as the “ET” part of the ETF[/ETF] acronym refers to retail investors.
This kind on investors are tricky, because the need a bigger protection by law, as they need to be tutored given their contractual weakness. On the contrary institutional investors, able to drop investments in minimum chunks of 100K, are basically free to to what they want with their money.
So yes, I might have put the whole thing a little bit further.   

So yes, they are starting to clean the markets, because they know that eventually they will have to approve a Bitcoin ETF, as the demand is too strong, and the money to be made is too big, above all for the exchanges and all the other zero risk actors (government, ETF issuer, etc.)

As far as I know, a lot of ETF requests have been already been rejected or put on hold:

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/16/blob6ecbd87fe435f2c2.png

This doesn’t mean they can fix the requests and resubmit them again.

I am sure that they are going to get involved but for this one they are not going to be doing it right away and they are probably not going to do it too big neither. I mean obviously all wall street companies without a doubt will get in, there will be no company that will stay away, obviously they are going to miss a ton of profit if they insist on bitcoin bad narrative so they will all get in. However when they get in and how they get in changes too much.

If they get in big and quickly but do it on OTC that will not change the price, if they get in very slowly in long period of time they are not going to affect the price, so all in all we need them to get in quickly and on the market as well which they will not do neither as well, so it is not going to change much in crypto.

I think Fidelity is focused on deploying every available tool to pave the way for institutional bitcoin adoption.
On a separate news, for example, they lead an effort to promote a tool to simplify KYC/AML for bitcoin gateways.

Group Backed by ING Bank, Fidelity and Standard Chartered Releases Crypto AML Tools (https://www.coindesk.com/group-backed-by-ing-bank-fidelity-and-standard-chartered-releases-crypto-aml-tools)

You might not like that, I don’t, but having a sort of “walled garden” where “clean bitcoin” can be traded, is a fundamental condition for regulators to approve a Bitcoin ETF

This is just a private fund, which means it will be targeting at a minimum accredited investors.  Fidelity filed the Form D on 8/26 prior to any sales, so they won't have to disclose any sales figures for this fund until 8/26/2021, which is a shame because I'd be interested to see what kind of interest they're getting.  They could opt to publish an amendment prior to that if they wanted to update the sales figures prior to that, which some issuers do as a sign of interest in their fund, but I wouldn't count on that.

fidelity is usa investment company?
are they investing hedge funds big investors money?  private indviduals ? or just usa pensions funds? tax payers money? wich one they do ?

It is a new found. So they plan to get fresh investors or relocate founds of existing investors.

The previously unknown Wise Origin Bitcoin Index Fund I, LP was incorporated this year. The early documentation provides little in the way of details about the fund, and shows that zero investors have currently participated. We do know that the minimum investment to join the pooled investment fund is $100,000, indicating this is likely only for institutional and accredited investors.

This has a huge effect on our crypto market. we have more large investment funds participating and that will make the volume of the crypto market bigger and bigger.
This will also motivate potential projects to proliferate, and our market will also be more diverse and functional.
** My other thing is that 1 day ago, Financial Investment Fund Square bought $ 50 million worth of bitcoin into their wallet!
I'm feeling 2021 will be a great year for the crypto market. What do you think?

We are discussing this news on another thread:

Square invests 50 million USD in BTC: instrument of economic empowerment (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5280841)

Undoubtedly a nice turning point.

Lol I wouldn’t say such an institution as big as that and also in the US will be making use of Huobi. If they are to be making use of any of the Exchanges we know it’s probably going to be Coinbase or Bakkt.

Why I said Coinbase is because Coinbase is a regulated cryptocurrency exchange and is also like one of the biggest exchanges in the world (if not the biggest), and also in the US. Then as for Bakkt, we all already know that is the purpose it was created for, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what they are using.

This is a welcome development to all fidelity bitcon users to have more bitcoin to grow their business in the market place. Since many people has found it difficult to get new bitcoin fund to invest and improve their businesses, I think this is an opportunity for those that saw the news concerning fidelity bank that need more bitcoin fund for their customers to improve their businesses.

This new bitcoin fund it will help some of the citizens to grow their businesses in the country. Many investors will like to have interest on this new bitcoin fund to use it to make more profit.

Of course there was sarcasm in the above statement of mine.
Any institution willing to have a chance to pass any even more remotely bland KYC/AML requirement will have to head to well regulated, legacy exchange.

I think the recent action against BitMex is going to reinforce that, shifting the weight toward more traditional, law-abiding, exchanges.

If we ever see places like JP Morgan or Chase and so forth starting one bitcoin or generally just a crypto fund, it will actually be a huge news because they will not get in with few hundred million dollars, if they get in they will probably do it in tens of billions of dollars and that would be insane. In these days investing 100 million dollars even on market price increases it like 1% so it is not a big deal, the change in bitcoin spread daily is bigger than the amount these guys are putting in which is why it doesn't create a lot of news.

However when you invest like 10 billion dollars that is 10%+ increase just from that purchase, which is why I believe wall street still has some time but when they do end up getting in together this is going to be a crazy time for all of us.

That was inevitable: I guess it is the double-edged sword which is upon the bitcoin future. On one side you will always have the libertarian bitcoin world which will stick to the (merkle) roots for as long as possible. On the other side you have financial incumbents and institutions that were not able to destroy bitcoin (it's impossible) but slowly preferred to blend in and get a piece of the cake. This second world based on KYC/AML, FATF guidelines and such will only talk to those vetted exchanges and institution.
My question is can these worlds live together or there will be a major clash at some point? This question is making me mad.

Earlier Today Fidelity Digital, published

BITCOIN INVESTMENT THESIS: BITCOIN'S ROLE AS AN ALTERNATIVE INVESTMENT (https://www.fidelitydigitalassets.com/articles/bitcoin-as-alternative-investment?ccmedia=owned&ccchannel=social&cccampaign=BIT_ALT&cctactics=twitterhttps://www.fidelitydigitalassets.com/articles/bitcoin-as-alternative-investment?ccmedia=owned&ccchannel=social&cccampaign=BIT_ALT&cctactics=twitter)


They provide a series of rationale too keep investing in bitcoin:



They go even further recommending keeping 5% of value in a multi-asset portfolio in Bitcoin as a means to reap greater returns over time regardless of market conditions.

fidelity is providing investment service for average person in usa as far i can undestood wich is not so good as i would be more happy if the investors would be private funds  in this case yes there might be bull run but yes....i still have doubts

Investors are limited to purchasing from the trading volume of bitcoin (or possibly a higher amount?), you can't determine the maximum amount of bitcoin they can buy from its market cap because a large percentage of bitcoins are not for sale and locked away in cold storage.

The trading volume of bitcoin according to Coingecko is $13 billion, that must be why institutional investors are limited to backing their funds with hundreds of millions worth of bitcoin. Which leads me to think that it isn't feasible for a fund to pump the bitcoin price by itself because it would never be able to secure $13 billion of bitcoin from a single exchange. They'd have to buy up lots of bitcoin from several dozen exchanges and regulatory channels exchanges place will inhibit funds from buying more than a few hundred thousand $'s worth of of BTC.

@fillippone, do you know from which vendor Fidelity bought its bitcoins from, and how much they're buying? If we know how much bitcoin is backing their fund it'll give us good idea of how much liquidity it has.

Sorry, I don't know this Information (yet).
I strongly believe that when their fund(s) will be operational they will heavily rely on OTC desks at major exchanges as not to disrupt order books. Of course they will operate, for security and compliance reasons, with a variety of exchanges. I guess, from most advanced legislations. I cannot see them using BitMex or Huobi for their trade.

I would assume that if they ever want to buy 13 billion dollars worth of bitcoin, they could do it OTC and they wouldn't really have trouble with it. Sure they may not get it at one place, but for example if a huge company wants to find 13 billion dollars worth of bitcoin somewhere, they could track down who has the most bitcoins and mainly that is the exchanges themselves and not the users of those exchanges.

So, if you want 13 billion dollars worth of bitcoin, you contact bitfinex, bittrex, poloniex, kucoin and mainly binance when you combine all the bitcoins they have you can definitely get a lot of bitcoin from them, include couple of big whales in there as well and you got yourself 13 billion dollars for sure. Obviously on a market where the volume is 13 billion, you will increase the price a bit but at least you can do it all on OTC.

Fidelity is paving the way for their involvment in the Bitcoin industry with an educational effort:

ADDRESSING PERSISTING BITCOIN CRITICISMS (https://www.fidelitydigitalassets.com/articles/addressing-bitcoin-criticisms)

In this article Ria Bhutoria, Director of Research at Fidelity Digital Assets tries to review some criticism and provide a few answers.

Since volatility is mentioned in that article, I'll point out that its 9 day volatility hasn't changed much since Jan 2012, according to their chart. Not that people are very concerned about that though, they seem to be more concerned about 3 day volatility since it can wreck swing trades that only last for a week or two.

Fidelity might not have launched a Bitcoin Fund yet, but apparently Bitcoin is well integrated on their Strategies:


Fidelity Digital to Hold Bitcoin as Collateral for Cash Loans (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-09/fidelity-digital-to-hold-bitcoin-as-collateral-for-cash-loans)


Apparently the deal is limited to institutional investors for the moment, but the idea makes sense:

• Give your Bitcoins to fidelity as loan collateral
• Obtain a USD Cash Loan
• Use the cash
• BTC moons
• Use a fraction of your collateral Bitcoins to repay back the loan.

"Bad money drives out good": Hodl your Bitcoins, Spend USD.

For those who are fortunate enough to have, let's say, more than 10BTC I trust that strategy makes complete sense. I'd rather do that than cash out and create a taxable event.
When even the big guys will feel confident doing it the moon is getting very near.

I don't exactly know what a taxable event is, and I suspect it greatly varies between jurisdictions, but of course avoiding such events is a very common condition for this kind of schemes (Grayscale's success, for example, is greatly helped by the fact that interaction don't constitute a taxable event).

Anyway, Fidelity International has received the listing of its first bitcoin exchange product on two european exchanges at Deutsche Börse in Frankfurt and SIX Swiss Exchange in Zurich. Fidelity physical bitcoin ETP under the FBTC ticker, it tracks the price of bitcoin and is available to professional clients of Fidelity International in Europe. Fidelity's digital assets will act as a custodian of the product.

Fidelity International debuts Bitcoin ETP in Europe (https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/02/15/fidelity-international-debuts-bitcoin-etp-in-europe/)

Lol, my friend. When I saw the news today I immediately thought I should open a thread on this. But as I was busy with my actual work I thought, well, Daltonij is going to open it  for sure!
Turns out that you know my threads better than I do!
I will surely come up with some added value later!

Fidelity Wise Bitcoin Investmen Fund just gor to 125 millions, according to a report published by the FED,

Here you have a termsheet of the fund:

https://i.ibb.co/y4BmbT7/60216980.png (https://www.fidelity.com/bin-public/060_www_fidelity_com/documents/alt-new/pdf/wise-origin-bitcoin-index-fund-1-termsheet.pdf)

According to The block:

Fidelity's bitcoin index fund surpasses $125 million in investments (https://www.theblockcrypto.com/linked/148502/fidelitys-bitcoin-index-fund-surpasses-125-million-in-investments?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss)


It might look tiny , compared to BITO, but it's catching up. Also given the terrible cost structure of the future-based  fund.