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Title: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: world1212 on September 01, 2020, 07:37:27 AM Friends, I need your help I got a negative trust Which is completely wrong Which has given me a negative trust. I talked to him on his telegram. I asked him Why did you give me negative trust? He answered me I doubt you And then I asked him how He answered me Proof of registration you have given in bounty He matches someone else. I told him Thus many proofs of registration match with each other That's how they are all scammers Sir, this is wrong To give negative trust He replied, "I doubt you, and I gave it to you." Friends, I request you to help me with this To eliminate this negative trust
Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: hacker1001101001 on September 01, 2020, 07:41:47 AM Is this your Twitter account ?
https://twitter.com/bitcoinfast1 Even the ETH address used in the spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iNKSOVT9-8wvLwOJp9H8NbNqPET5rpRe7ZCyPng6rgg/edit#gid=21383411) linked to the negative trust reference match to the recently posted address of yours, it atleast means it's your address and you were the one who signed up and abused the bounty. #PROOF OF REGISTRATION Forum Username: world1212 Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2792543 Telegram Username: @bitcoinfast1 Participated Campaigns: Twitter, Facebook, Article ETH Wallet Address: 0x72F67Db9A7793252Bad63b22E37aC5c1E22F07BB Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: Rikafip on September 01, 2020, 07:43:34 AM Trust is not moderated, so only person that can remove the negative trust is the person that left it. None of us can do much here in that regard, not even admins.
Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: AB de Royse777 on September 01, 2020, 07:44:43 AM What language do you speak? You may ask someone who speaks in your language and also know English. Tell him what happened and ask him to give you the translation. It's hard to find a summary from your post.
Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: actmyname on September 01, 2020, 07:45:09 AM Trust is not moderated, so only person that can remove the negative trust is the person that left it. None of us can do much here in that regard, not even admins. Well, that's untrue. Admins can remove negative trust. They just don't tend to do it unless it's egregious spam or something significantly malicious outside of words.Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: dre1982 on September 01, 2020, 07:49:38 AM Trust is not moderated, so only person that can remove the negative trust is the person that left it. None of us can do much here in that regard, not even admins. Well, that's untrue. Admins can remove negative trust. They just don't tend to do it unless it's egregious spam or something significantly malicious outside of words.Well then admins can remove all the negative trust spam of game-protect (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254). He have been spamming negative trust to everyone who gave him negative trust which he deserved. Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: Rikafip on September 01, 2020, 07:50:27 AM Trust is not moderated, so only person that can remove the negative trust is the person that left it. None of us can do much here in that regard, not even admins. Well, that's untrue. Admins can remove negative trust. They just don't tend to do it unless it's egregious spam or something significantly malicious outside of words.@world1212 Did bubbalex share you that proof of registration that you allegedly copied from another account, as I can't find anything wrong in that spreadsheet that is used as reference. Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: YOSHIE on September 01, 2020, 07:50:53 AM @world1212, try to direct this thread to: @bubbalex, via telegram which you often use to communicate with him.
I am sure after you do, @bubbalex will see this thread, and will give clarity about you, that's what you can do right now, if he can't accept PM beginners. Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: actmyname on September 01, 2020, 07:59:55 AM Well then admins can remove all the negative trust spam of game-protect (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254). He have been spamming negative trust to everyone who gave him negative trust which he deserved. Despite his negative feedback spam spanning three pages, this is still less spam than what I remember theymos removing.If we take that as a lower bound, then game-protect's negative feedback will never be removed. It takes quite a bit of push for theymos to actually perform some restitution: see flags, spam, investor-based games board for examples. Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: TheBeardedBaby on September 01, 2020, 08:26:13 AM I won't discuss the feedback itself, i think the neutral in this case could be enough for the evidence we have.
What i want to focus here is the usage of the reference link, it's pointing to a spreadsheet which for me is not a good practice at all. Better open own thread with the all the proof and description and leave that as a reference link. Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: bubbalex on September 01, 2020, 09:55:31 AM As far as I understand, I got into DT. I'm sending negative feedback only for myself in order to not allow these users into my further campaigns, I do sent feedback based on the suspicious activity, some of them are totally valid, some are not. Please, remove me from the DT list in order to not show my trust feedbacks by default, they might be totally inacurate.
In recent days, some people began to write to me with a request to remove feedback, I will not do this in general, because the situation with sarwari (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg55099744#msg55099744) makes me think that in most cases I am right, but in some cases I'll change it to neutral. In any case, my goal was not to harm these people so that they could not participate in other campaigns too. Based on my feedback, I do not accept them in my campaigns and only in my own, based on the rules that are indicated in my bounty campaigns. I will change some feedbacks to the neutral, instead negative. UPD. Recent feedbacks without enough evidence changed to neutral, in future I will be more careful in giving negative feedbacks. Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: TheBeardedBaby on September 01, 2020, 10:49:31 AM As far as I understand, I got into DT. I'm sending negative feedback only for myself in order to not allow these users into my further campaigns, I do sent feedback based on the suspicious activity, some of them are totally valid, some are not. Please, remove me from the DT list in order to not show my trust feedbacks by default, they might be totally inacurate. You could remove yourself from eligible DT member if you don't meet the criteria, while i don't remember all the criteria, but the easiest way is remove your trust list. I think it's easier just to sent a PM to theymos to blacklist you from the DT's, so you can keep your turst list as it is. If you remove your tust list and later you want to start building a new one, it's very easy to happen the same thing. Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: TheBeardedBaby on September 01, 2020, 10:56:23 AM Would theymos blacklist you manually from DT? I never heard anyone trying to do that. There are a few cases where people were blacklisted, some by request, some for abusing the trust. I cannot give you example right now, but for sure I'll check it out when I have time, if someone doesn't do that before me. But you can request to be removed from the DT lottery if you want, if theymos will approve it, that's a different story but if you have good enough reason, should be OK. Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: bubbalex on September 01, 2020, 10:57:23 AM As far as I understand, I got into DT. I'm sending negative feedback only for myself in order to not allow these users into my further campaigns, I do sent feedback based on the suspicious activity, some of them are totally valid, some are not. Please, remove me from the DT list in order to not show my trust feedbacks by default, they might be totally inacurate. You could remove yourself from eligible DT member if you don't meet the criteria, while i don't remember all the criteria, but the easiest way is remove your trust list. I think it's easier just to sent a PM to theymos to blacklist you from the DT's, so you can keep your turst list as it is. If you remove your tust list and later you want to start building a new one, it's very easy to happen the same thing. Would theymos blacklist you manually from DT? I never heard anyone trying to do that. Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: Sanitough on September 01, 2020, 10:59:41 AM They can because they are in control of their account, they can put a feedback to any profile anytime they want, but the question should be, "is it ethical to put red trust without proof?, and my answer would be no, but like I said, we can't control what's on the mind of the rater but I'm sure DT members who trusted such account will remove him from their trust list if they found enough evidence a DT member abusing the trust system.
Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: bubbalex on September 01, 2020, 11:04:49 AM They can because they are in control of their account, they can put a feedback to any profile anytime they want, but the question should be, "is it ethical to put red trust without proof?, and my answer would be no, but like I said, we can't control what's on the mind of the rater but I'm sure DT members who trusted such account will remove him from their trust list if they found enough evidence a DT member abusing the trust system. You can read my posts above to understand that I'm surely not going to abuse DT powers and already asked to remove me from DT.Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: bubbalex on September 01, 2020, 11:19:09 AM ~ Yes, I have already changed some feedback to the neutral and will be giving neutral feedback in future in case I'm not sure that user deserves negative feedback. That's why I don't want to be in DT, I don't have enough time and knowledge to be DT member now, I'm still learning. Thank you.I removed, but ... your explanation that you give someone negative tags for yourself, not being sure that this user is who you think he is, may be regarded by someone as a trust abuse. Still, the trust system was not invented for personal experiments, but for the real reflection of the behavior and actions of a particular user. You give people in some situations false negative tegs, even if not trustworthy. But I can show you many examples when DT members have negative tags similar users for such tags. If you want to tags someone, do it in a neutral color, if you are sure of something, then red. Because if some user complains about you that you wrote to him unreasonably in the trust and you could prove it, you yourself can be painted for trust abuse. :-\ Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: Little Mouse on September 01, 2020, 11:58:05 AM Trust is not moderated, so only person that can remove the negative trust is the person that left it. None of us can do much here in that regard, not even admins. Well, that's untrue. Admins can remove negative trust. They just don't tend to do it unless it's egregious spam or something significantly malicious outside of words.Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: actmyname on September 01, 2020, 12:01:30 PM Is there any such case where admin removed any feedback left by other user? It would be good to have an example of such case. I have one neg tag although I'm nit much concerned about that as it is not in trusted feedback (Have tried to reach him but no response). I do not recall the username, and it would be difficult to figure out who it was without directly asking theymos.I'm certain that any rule-breaking feedback will be removed. For example, links to malware would definitely be something considered for removal. All in all, I would just toss out the blanket statement, "if there's any doubt, it's not happening." Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: TheBeardedBaby on September 01, 2020, 12:49:09 PM I don't think feedback which are not "urgent" or unsafe will be removed. If you have been doxxed in your feedback which can lead to personal harm in a way, those things will be removed, but if we are talking about bullsh!t feedback like fake accusations, spam and even advertising, and do not have a higher risk for the user, will most likely not be.
Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: YOSHIE on September 01, 2020, 02:45:44 PM If you want to tags someone, do it in a neutral color, if you are sure of something, then red. Because if some user complains about you that you wrote to him unreasonably in the trust and you could prove it, you yourself can be painted for trust abuse. :-\ It should be like that...! So, there are no pros & cons.Actually what: @bubbalex is doing, is correct, based on his suspicions, towards: @world1212 and @ashraf100786, committing fraud in the campaign he manages. Only, @bubbalex shows no evidence here, Directly to Sheets. Supposing @bubbalex, show evidence on a famous Alt topic or make your own thread about a cheating Alt, it's not like this is the case, everyone sees the evidence. OP, your problem is resolved, lock the topic and have fun, before things get complicated. Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on September 01, 2020, 02:52:39 PM I removed, but ... your explanation that you give someone negative tags for yourself, not being sure that this user is who you think he is, may be regarded by someone as a trust abuse. Still, the trust system was not invented for personal experiments, but for the real reflection of the behavior and actions of a particular user. Totally agree--and I gave bubbalex merits only because he made a solid post that contained more honesty than I would expect from the typical bitcointalk member if they found themselves in the same situation.This rotating DT system, man....I don't know if it's such a good idea. It seems like it's gotten to the point where the concept of being trusted by default has no meaning anymore. I'm hoping Theymos eventually sees this and undoes some of what he's done to the DT system. That's why I don't want to be in DT, I don't have enough time and knowledge to be DT member now, I'm still learning. Thank you. No offense intended to you, but you shouldn't be on DT right now.Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: marlboroza on September 01, 2020, 03:28:48 PM I didn't check anything else than this https://etherscan.io/txs?a=0x72F67Db9A7793252Bad63b22E37aC5c1E22F07BB. There are few transactions from ashraf786100 to OP and vice versa (0xeac03070d0092c2d4315992aa4f949894bc91487 is ashraf786100's addy, posted 2 years ago:
Proof of joined post ~ ETH wallet address: 0xeAc03070D0092c2d4315992aA4f949894Bc91487 @bubbalex, how did you connect accounts? Would theymos blacklist you manually from DT? I never heard anyone trying to do that. He can blacklist users from DT1.Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: bubbalex on September 01, 2020, 03:53:39 PM I didn't check anything else than this https://etherscan.io/txs?a=0x72F67Db9A7793252Bad63b22E37aC5c1E22F07BB. There are few transactions from ashraf786100 to OP and vice versa (0xeac03070d0092c2d4315992aa4f949894bc91487 is ashraf786100's addy, posted 2 years ago: I connected them though bitcointalk activity, I can't remember this exact case, but most of the time - it's same date of the registration on forum, same date of the registration in campaign/spreadsheet, same time submitting reports, the reports are exactly the same (yes, there is not a lot of ways to submit reports, but reports of different people are different a little), same social accounts/wallets, same campaigns.Proof of joined post ~ ETH wallet address: 0xeAc03070D0092c2d4315992aA4f949894Bc91487 @bubbalex, how did you connect accounts? Would theymos blacklist you manually from DT? I never heard anyone trying to do that. He can blacklist users from DT1.They are using same accounts, violating bounty rules and violating forum rules via ban evasion. 5 Accounts: Banned shown in red 1. world1212 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2792543) 2. kiranshehzadi (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=kiranshehzadi) 3. ashraf100786 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1776447) 4. ashraf786100 (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=ashraf786100) 5. zainr7073 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1969779) Proof: Campaign : Facebook Facebook Profile Link: https://www.facebook.com/kiranshehzadi786 https://archive.is/wip/iURtn Bitcointalk Username: kiranshehzadi Telegram airdrop: @kiranshehzadi Twitter airdrop: @Kiran35875038 Facebook airdrop: https://www.facebook.com/kiranshehzadi786 https://archive.is/wip/lJ7q6 Proof of authentication Bitcointalk Username:kiranshehzadi Telegram Username:@ashraf786100 Twitter Username:@batter1000 Facebook Profile Link:https://web.facebook.com/muhammad.ashraf.3304673 https://archive.is/wip/R4CMB Post by: ashraf100786 (https://archive.is/wip/54qNB) Quote Proof of authentication Bitcointalk name: ashraf100786 Bitcointalk profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1776447 Facebook url: https://web.facebook.com/muhammad.ashraf.3304673 Exchange email: muhammadashraf00525@gmail.com User name: ashraf786100 https://archive.is/wip/54qNB week no. 1 Forum username: ashraf786100 Twitter username: @Ashraf786100 Cointalks username: ashraf786100 https://archive.is/wip/kOaKW #Proof of Authentication Bitcointalk username: ashraf100786 Bitcointalk Profile : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1776447 Twitter profile: https://twitter.com/batter1000 Join Campaign : Twitter ,Telegram Telegram : @MuhammadFarooq6 https://archive.is/wip/O1ABX Proof : telegram : @Ashraf342 https://archive.is/wip/SjOUL AUTHENTICATION POST #JOIN TELEGRAM @username:@Ashraf342 Profile link: https://twitter.com/Ashraf786100 Profile link: https://web.facebook.com/muhammad.ashraf.3304673 https://https://www.reddit.com/user/ashraf786100 https://archive.is/wip/hvWr8 Related Addresses: Code: Username:@ashraf786100 Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: marlboroza on September 01, 2020, 04:56:42 PM ^ Small correction here, account kiranshehzadi is not banned.
So, OP registered account on April 11, 2020 and they used the same facebook profile for bounties as other accounts which are registered in 2017/18. They made little mistake here (https://archive.is/54qNB#selection-3695.11-3695.23): https://i.imgur.com/pFmSXiT.png It is obviously ban evasion so report them to moderator/send PM to global moderator/create topic in meta. Account is tagged for now. Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: lovesmayfamilis on September 01, 2020, 06:30:41 PM This is getting ridiculous. In addition to the fact that cheaters violate Ban evasion, they also begin to defend their reputation.
Bubbalex, you are an experienced manager, and you can immediately see who is cheating and who is not. I agree that it takes a lot of time to check, but there is no other way. This is not the first time when, after another ban, cheaters begin to hysteria and blame everyone. Submit the correct report to the moderator to end this comedy. Title: Re: Can anyone give a wrong negative trust? Even when he is wrong? Post by: bubbalex on September 01, 2020, 06:46:02 PM Thank you marlboroza, lovesmayfamilis, I've sent the report to the hilariousandco
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