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Title: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: AIF on September 07, 2020, 05:38:25 AM
Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?

1. Is it possible?
2. If not possible, why?
Questions of an amateur, what do you think?

Not a stablecoin pegged to the dollar or fiat.

I found one of the options here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0)


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Akiko on September 07, 2020, 06:26:13 AM
Possible but its hard to happen you need to use a lot of money to use as buy orders so even there are bulk sellers the market will not be affected much. Also many traders see this volatile price of crypto currency as advantage to earn high profit with single price correction so volatility is not bad for them but a good way to earn good amount of money in short time.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: AIF on September 07, 2020, 06:43:30 AM
Possible but its hard to happen you need to use a lot of money to use as buy orders so even there are bulk sellers the market will not be affected much. Also many traders see this volatile price of crypto currency as advantage to earn high profit with single price correction so volatility is not bad for them but a good way to earn good amount of money in short time.
Why is a stable growth coin bad?


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: elda34b on September 07, 2020, 06:53:32 AM
So in other words, green dildo candle all the way? I'm pretty sure anyone would love that but it is impossible since buy and sell will always happen. Unless you're running an auction and anyone who buy your tokens won't be able to sell it forever. What's the use of such thing then?

The promise looks like a scam to me, and only a scam coin will say yes to things like this.

Why is a stable growth coin bad?
Daily traders make profit from scalping.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: AIF on September 07, 2020, 07:12:45 AM
So in other words, green dildo candle all the way? I'm pretty sure anyone would love that but it is impossible since buy and sell will always happen. Unless you're running an auction and anyone who buy your tokens won't be able to sell it forever. What's the use of such thing then?

The promise looks like a scam to me, and only a scam coin will say yes to things like this.

Why is a stable growth coin bad?
Daily traders make profit from scalping.
Are you saying that if I buy this coin with steady growth and keep it as a safe deposit, it is bad because it cannot be sold later or it cannot be exchanged or only traded on the stock exchange?


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Kakmakr on September 07, 2020, 07:23:48 AM
I cannot see that any token/coin could adhere to those requirements under normal circumstances in a free and open market that are not being manipulated.  ???  How would this work?

The whole idea behind Crypto currencies are to remove the centralized control of entities and to create a open and free market that are based on supply and demand. Fiat currencies are stable, because governments are manipulating the "value" with the help of Central Banks and large private financial companies.  >:(

Traders also need some volatility, because it creates a environment in which they can make profit on their trades.  ;)


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: AIF on September 07, 2020, 08:06:02 AM
I cannot see that any token/coin could adhere to those requirements under normal circumstances in a free and open market that are not being manipulated.  ???  How would this work?

The whole idea behind Crypto currencies are to remove the centralized control of entities and to create a open and free market that are based on supply and demand. Fiat currencies are stable, because governments are manipulating the "value" with the help of Central Banks and large private financial companies.  >:(

Traders also need some volatility, because it creates a environment in which they can make profit on their trades.  ;)
I started a survey because I saw a project in which they want to implement it
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0)


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: tsaroz on September 07, 2020, 08:30:03 AM
How would be a volatility be negative? If you mean very low volatility, for a such to coin exist, it should be pegged to an index of a lot of stable assets and currency. A coin that derives it's value from say a lot of fiat and commodities could be less volatile. The volatility also depends on what you compare it with. For anything with a supply and demand, there would be volatility.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Akiko on September 07, 2020, 08:47:30 AM
Possible but its hard to happen you need to use a lot of money to use as buy orders so even there are bulk sellers the market will not be affected much. Also many traders see this volatile price of crypto currency as advantage to earn high profit with single price correction so volatility is not bad for them but a good way to earn good amount of money in short time.
Why is a stable growth coin bad?

yes it bad because in order to achieve this goal they need to manipulate the price of the coins and that's not his real value if they manipulate it and in long term no one will be interested to buy it since they know this is just a manipulated currency.  many coins from before do that but no one achieve to make it successfull and mostly failed .


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: AIF on September 07, 2020, 09:06:06 AM
How would be a volatility be negative? If you mean very low volatility, for a such to coin exist, it should be pegged to an index of a lot of stable assets and currency. A coin that derives it's value from say a lot of fiat and commodities could be less volatile. The volatility also depends on what you compare it with. For anything with a supply and demand, there would be volatility.
I mean a coin that is minted by ether with a steady increase in the quantitative content of ether in it, which I will keep as a reliable deposit.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: cryptoaddictchie on September 07, 2020, 09:13:06 AM
2. If not possible, why?
Questions of an amateur, what do you think?

Not a stablecoin pegged to the dollar or fiat.
Not sure if this is possible. Not a stable coin but you want it to be stable with none volatility? Im not sure if that will work cause even we want that kind of coin or token we are probably looking on a stablecoin pegged with usd lile tether and usdc.

There is no way a green candle indicator coin all the way, its like next to impossible. But I witness like this called tweeba but that one is purely manipulated.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Jawhead999 on September 07, 2020, 09:16:24 AM
I mean a coin that has a steady growth in the quantity of ether, which I will keep as a safe deposit.
That's impossible, cryptocurrency or investment always have a risk. If you don't want to accept the risk because worried your investment will be in loss, don't try to invest then.

Gold has been exist for a long time, and still have a risk with it. While most of altcoins exist only 1-2 years, and you wanted to a coin give fixed amount profit. You'll only trapped on ponzi scheme project.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on September 07, 2020, 09:38:56 AM
In my project, the constant confident growth of the coin is implemented  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0)  Tokens will grow only in one case if it is profitable for the ETH owner to place his financial asset in a deposit, receiving these tokens for this, while they will be able to earn by connecting those who wish and selling these tokens. It is important that ETH-WORLD tokens always grow in value, so they can simply be stored without fear of devaluation. It should be noted that you do not send your ETH to anyone, it remains blocked on the address of your wallet connected to the smart contract and no one except you can receive it.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Sanitough on September 07, 2020, 09:42:17 AM
Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?

1. Is it possible?
2. If not possible, why?
Questions of an amateur, what do you think?
What do you mean by negative volatility? Volatility means the price will go up and down, but if you weigh the overall movement of bitcoin for instance, you can say it's positive especially for long term.

For other coins, it's hard to find that as if bitcoin is already volatile, altcoins are more volatile.


Not a stablecoin pegged to the dollar or fiat.

There's no volatility for stable coins, so for sure this is not what you are trying to imply or ask.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: makishart on September 07, 2020, 09:58:01 AM
If you meant about less volatility and it's actually possible to happen as long as the coin was a bad coin and that means there will be no a lot of demand to buy such coin caused by people have known that as crap coins and no more. That will make such crypto will have no volatility consider the demand will be almost zero.

I can't understand properly about negative volatility means but for it it's about less volatile.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Reid on September 07, 2020, 10:12:36 AM
If you meant about less volatility and it's actually possible to happen as long as the coin was a bad coin and that means there will be no a lot of demand to buy such coin caused by people have known that as crap coins and no more. That will make such crypto will have no volatility consider the demand will be almost zero.

I can't understand properly about negative volatility means but for it it's about less volatile.

I think that's what he meant by "negative volatility".
It will still move, but less. More like a stable coin. But as he said, it will not be like that.
Cannot compare it with XRP too since it's volatile.

It is possible but I do think it's because there is manipulation behind the scenes.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on September 07, 2020, 11:01:48 AM
Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?

1. Is it possible?
2. If not possible, why?
Questions of an amateur, what do you think?
What do you mean by negative volatility? Volatility means the price will go up and down, but if you weigh the overall movement of bitcoin for instance, you can say it's positive especially for long term.

For other coins, it's hard to find that as if bitcoin is already volatile, altcoins are more volatile.


Not a stablecoin pegged to the dollar or fiat.

There's no volatility for stable coins, so for sure this is not what you are trying to imply or ask.
He obviously means my project http://prosh.ru/smartcontract.html (http://prosh.ru/smartcontract.html)
  in which the ETH-WORLD token does not have negative volatility, but only positive volatility, which in turn has a positive effect (positive management) on the emission and volatility and, ultimately, the price of Ethereum itself


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: noorammak on September 07, 2020, 03:44:35 PM
A coin that does not fluctuate negatively can only be stable coins, typically USDT, USDC. Its liquidity in the last two years is always at 1usd. All coins can increase in price and decrease in price, you must buy and sell to ensure profit. It may be negative for you, but positive for others. Everyone has different investment strategies, and no one cryptocurrency is as stable and volatile as stable coins.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: bttmember on September 07, 2020, 05:59:25 PM
I think all your requirements are fulfilled by stablecoins so there is no reason to look out for a new sort of crypto coin that remains stable in price.
This need is already filled by stablecoins so no need of anything else at the moment. You should think of something different.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: skarais on September 07, 2020, 07:11:41 PM
I think thats very unlikely because trading law is not the case. When the demand for a coin goes up, the price will go up, and if there are many people selling at the same time the price will go down. Even a stable coin will still experience volatility according to current market condition. Watch the USDT price when the bitcoin price goes up and the bitcoin price goes down. So whatever your opinion is about a coin that doesnt have negative volatility, I think its very unlikely for the community to accept it. I would think its part of a scam with false promises.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Rengga Jati on September 07, 2020, 11:55:31 PM
In fact, stable coins also experience the same thing.
Especially if it is a cryptocurrency where volatility is one of the basic characteristics. It's true as others have said, it will be difficult to get coins that are always on a positive trend, especially because the price really depends on the market. of course, the sell and buy orders will continue. And can you and want to buy and hold a coin without selling it? Someone will of course sell them, especially traders, where they take advantage of the volatility to get profits. Here, I haven't found any crypto that does not have negative volatility.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on September 08, 2020, 12:17:57 AM
Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?

1. Is it possible?
2. If not possible, why?
Questions of an amateur, what do you think?
What do you mean by negative volatility? Volatility means the price will go up and down, but if you weigh the overall movement of bitcoin for instance, you can say it's positive especially for long term.

For other coins, it's hard to find that as if bitcoin is already volatile, altcoins are more volatile.


Not a stablecoin pegged to the dollar or fiat.

There's no volatility for stable coins, so for sure this is not what you are trying to imply or ask.
You are right that stablecoins have no volatility, they have another drawback, they can be reset to zero, all Stablecoins that are allegedly provided by the "ghost of money" buried in an unknown place and whose action can be covered up at any time, as they are manually controlled and who is responsible for their release, is prohibited then personal responsibility.
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Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on September 08, 2020, 12:45:23 AM
For cryptocurrency there is always going to be volatility, that's part of it. Investors profit from those fluctuations

-Pho
If the cryptocurrency is considered as not a stable asset for playing on the stock exchange, then you are right, but then it is not suitable as a reliable currency that can be stored, which means that it will not be accepted as a reliable collateral and settlements on it.

Ecли кpиптoвaлютy paccмaтpивaть кaк нe ycтoйчивый aктив для игpы нa биpжe тo вы пpaвы, нo тoгдa oнa нe гoдитcя в кaчecтвe нaдёжнoй вaлюты кoтopyю мoжнo xpaнить, a этo oзнaчaeт чтo oнa нe бyдeт пpинятa в кaчecтвe нaдёжнoгo зaлoгa и pacчётoв пo нeмy.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Ozero on September 08, 2020, 04:15:50 AM
How would be a volatility be negative? If you mean very low volatility, for a such to coin exist, it should be pegged to an index of a lot of stable assets and currency. A coin that derives it's value from say a lot of fiat and commodities could be less volatile. The volatility also depends on what you compare it with. For anything with a supply and demand, there would be volatility.
Here, negative volatility most likely means a periodic decline in the price of a cryptocurrency, that is,  not only an upward price movement. Of course this is not possible. Cryptocurrency attracts the attention of participants in the cryptocurrency market not only by the fact that it is growing rapidly in price, but also by its price decrease. In this case, we have the opportunity not only to sell cryptocurrency at an increased price, but also buy at a low price during periods of its fall.
Cryptocurrency operates on the basis of supply and demand, and this always implies the rise and fall of its price.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: livingfree on September 08, 2020, 10:57:53 PM
1. Possible and you can see this but with a regulated coin by the government.

They were not considered as the stable coins but they're called the CBDC backed up by the government. Well, any developer can do this as long as they want to make but without strong backing up, it will still be useless.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Mahanton on September 08, 2020, 11:21:43 PM
Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?

1. Is it possible?
2. If not possible, why?
Questions of an amateur, what do you think?

Not a stablecoin pegged to the dollar or fiat.

Definite no!

1. Yes, its possible but its definitely a ponzi
2. Healthy market does really involved organic traffic or market activity via sellers and buyers.

No comment about stablecoins since i didnt able to touch this stuff since im on this crypto world.

Coin doesnt have negative volatility is just simply a scam or it cant really be called a market in the first place.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Twinkledoe on September 08, 2020, 11:28:54 PM
In the market, prices will always move positively and negatively and I think these price movements are common. Prices are influenced by supply and demand if the token does not have a balanced supply and supply, the price will always move towards positive or negative and in my opinion it depends on market or investor sentiment

Almost all alts went thru these 2 phases, positive and negative. So I'm not really sure what the OP is trying to ask here. One should not look into the volatility aspect of the coin, as it depends on the market situation. However, if you will look more in the actual use case of the coin, you will get the idea if they will survive long or not.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: harizen on September 08, 2020, 11:39:35 PM
Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?

For what's the use or purpose?

From an investment point of view, mainly for traders, it's a good choice that a coin that is heavily volatile in order to take advantage of buy and sell. That's what makes them be called a trader in the first place.

Maybe, try to broaden your concern for much better response. What are you really trying to pinpoint?


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on September 09, 2020, 12:57:34 AM
Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?

For what's the use or purpose?

From an investment point of view, mainly for traders, it's a good choice that a coin that is heavily volatile in order to take advantage of buy and sell. That's what makes them be called a trader in the first place.

Maybe, try to broaden your concern for much better response. What are you really trying to pinpoint?
Such a coin is needed, first of all, for stable and reliable security or keeping or pledge of your investments. Then big business will come to the capitalization of the cryptocurrency if it is sure that its investments are reliably secured and under no circumstances can be zeroed or lost due to negative market volatility.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: AIF on September 09, 2020, 01:23:38 AM
I think thats very unlikely because trading law is not the case. When the demand for a coin goes up, the price will go up, and if there are many people selling at the same time the price will go down. Even a stable coin will still experience volatility according to current market condition. Watch the USDT price when the bitcoin price goes up and the bitcoin price goes down. So whatever your opinion is about a coin that doesnt have negative volatility, I think its very unlikely for the community to accept it. I would think its part of a scam with false promises.
Strangely enough, everyone unanimously argues that the future of decentralized finance is a crypto currency and at the same time advocates its volatility. Would you like the crypto money you receive for your work tomorrow to cost less than today or even devalue depending on the market?


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: sourish on September 09, 2020, 01:58:29 AM
Any asset base is always subject to volatility, with fluctuations connected to the conditions and occurences happening in the rest of the world. what are you really basing your query on?


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: AIF on September 09, 2020, 02:40:39 AM
Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?

1. Is it possible?
2. If not possible, why?
Questions of an amateur, what do you think?

Not a stablecoin pegged to the dollar or fiat.

Definite no!

1. Yes, its possible but its definitely a ponzi
2. Healthy market does really involved organic traffic or market activity via sellers and buyers.

No comment about stablecoins since i didnt able to touch this stuff since im on this crypto world.

Coin doesnt have negative volatility is just simply a scam or it cant really be called a market in the first place.
Here is an example project where this can be implemented
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0)
Maybe someone can prove that this is a fraudulent pyramid.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: CoinThinker on September 09, 2020, 04:51:35 AM
There is nothing like that, a coin could be a stable coin which the price is always the same or if it goes high means it can go down too , up and down come to gather and unsepratable , or it can be like AMPL with rebase and negative rebase, still there is volatility in it .


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on September 09, 2020, 08:07:17 AM
There is nothing like that, a coin could be a stable coin which the price is always the same or if it goes high means it can go down too , up and down come to gather and unsepratable , or it can be like AMPL with rebase and negative rebase, still there is volatility in it .
Quite right, only the profitability of the acquisition gives rise in value. The absence of negative volatility does not mean that the coin always grows in price, it may not grow if it is not bought, but the trick of this coin is that it cannot become lower than the purchase price since it is minted by your real asset. For example, if you need to spend 100 bucks for the production of the first coin, and for the production of the next 110, it is unlikely that the price of the first will be cheaper than the second, and so on. The main thing is your real asset, and it is stored in this coin. This is what my project is about.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0)


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: tvplus006 on September 09, 2020, 08:32:22 AM
I mean a coin that has a steady growth in the quantity of ether, which I will keep as a safe deposit.
That's impossible, cryptocurrency or investment always have a risk. If you don't want to accept the risk because worried your investment will be in loss, don't try to invest then.

Gold has been exist for a long time, and still have a risk with it. While most of altcoins exist only 1-2 years, and you wanted to a coin give fixed amount profit. You'll only trapped on ponzi scheme project.

Yes, it will really look like a scam. No one can guarantee a stable income that is associated with cryptocurrencies. If we are talking about volatility, the only way to avoid it is if the price of the token is linked to the currency basket. Everything else is a scam.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: shoreno on September 09, 2020, 09:19:32 AM
 dont know whats the use of the 3rd choice on your poll  but anyways the first thing that came to my mind is a stable coin but you said its not a stable coin so what is it ?  volatility has two sides , one is it when the value increase and the other is when it decrease  . for the most of us its positive when the price rise and its negative when it falls down but there are also people that treat both sides as positive because they know how to use them  . not all times the increase is positive for them  .


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Gotumoot on September 09, 2020, 09:30:06 AM
Yes we need it but it is really hard to find and even so good to be true.
All if the crypto would always have a downfall the price of all crypto would always experience it.
If we have that kind of crypto then everyone would be rich since it wouldn't have a negative volatility and the price would only continue to grow so everyone only needs to hold it and take their profit.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on September 09, 2020, 09:34:35 AM
I mean a coin that has a steady growth in the quantity of ether, which I will keep as a safe deposit.
That's impossible, cryptocurrency or investment always have a risk. If you don't want to accept the risk because worried your investment will be in loss, don't try to invest then.

Gold has been exist for a long time, and still have a risk with it. While most of altcoins exist only 1-2 years, and you wanted to a coin give fixed amount profit. You'll only trapped on ponzi scheme project.

Yes, it will really look like a scam. No one can guarantee a stable income that is associated with cryptocurrencies. If we are talking about volatility, the only way to avoid it is if the price of the token is linked to the currency basket. Everything else is a scam.
Anyone who can prove that it is so can say that this looks like a scam. Any pyramid has basic attributes.
1. You need to buy something.
2. Surely someone wins and someone loses.
3. In any case, you part with money.
If there is even one sign in this project?


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: agis50 on September 09, 2020, 09:36:11 AM
How would be a volatility be negative? If you mean very low volatility, for a such to coin exist, it should be pegged to an index of a lot of stable assets and currency. A coin that derives it's value from say a lot of fiat and commodities could be less volatile. The volatility also depends on what you compare it with. For anything with a supply and demand, there would be volatility.
I mean a coin that is minted by ether with a steady increase in the quantitative content of ether in it, which I will keep as a reliable deposit.
That's impossible, cryptocurrency has a high risk. Every minutes cryptocurrency can be dumped or pumped even it can be dumped in just few seconds. If you want to invest your money in crypto you better think again


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Ucy on September 09, 2020, 09:36:27 AM
What exactly do you mean by negative volatility? Searched for the exact meaning, didn't see much. Do mean coin with zero volatility...coin that is absolutely stable? If that's what you mean, I would guess combining such coin with deflationary coin may work, otherwise it can't be a good store of value.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on September 09, 2020, 09:41:53 AM
What exactly do you mean by negative volatility? Searched for the exact meaning, didn't see much. Do mean coin with zero volatility...coin that is absolutely stable? If that's what you mean, I would guess combining such coin with deflationary coin may work, otherwise it can't be a good store of value.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5274044.msg55161043#msg55161043 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5274044.msg55161043#msg55161043)


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Henrytrust on September 09, 2020, 09:47:16 AM
I'm yet to find a coin that doesn't have negative volatility. Every coin that has the ability to go up, would also be likely to drop. In fact that's a characteristic of the cryptocurrency market. The volatility is expected to be both negative and positive. The volatility has been the reason for traders making profit in the market.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: rahmatullah9305 on September 09, 2020, 10:00:09 AM
Strangely enough, everyone unanimously argues that the future of decentralized finance is a crypto currency and at the same time advocates its volatility. Would you like the crypto money you receive for your work tomorrow to cost less than today or even devalue depending on the market?
I don't think anyone wants the value of their crypto currency to decrease in the future, because the more expensive the value, of course the balance we have will also automatically increase, so it's up to people to think about it, but what I say is a can be categorized in general.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Bossfidelity on September 09, 2020, 10:06:30 AM
It would be awesome to have a coin that doesn't have negative volatility, but that would be impossible owing to the fact that volatility by its meaning is up and down movement in the value of the cryptocurrency. If there was no negative volatility, Crytocurrency would have be regarded as the best investment one can embark upon for maximum return without risk of losses.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on September 09, 2020, 10:34:51 AM
It would be awesome to have a coin that doesn't have negative volatility, but that would be impossible owing to the fact that volatility by its meaning is up and down movement in the value of the cryptocurrency. If there was no negative volatility, Crytocurrency would have be regarded as the best investment one can embark upon for maximum return without risk of losses.

This is what I am trying to do with my project.

http://prosh.ru/smartcontract.html (http://prosh.ru/smartcontract.html)


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Mauser on September 09, 2020, 10:56:25 AM
Mostly we are need  that kind of coins having no negative volatility. Absolutely having this are good and it must been added as good work in this field progress of the projects giving as positively outcome.6


Creating a coin without any negative volatility sounds a bit like utopia for me. The thing for many alt coins is that they are traded freely all around the world on multiple exchanges. Prices can go up or down due to supply and demand. In my opinion to restrict these price changes either the coins wouldn't be allowed to trade freely, so we need a central institution managing all the trade. Or having institutions actively trade on the market to cover big price swings. Both of these options could be exploited in my opinion in the long run


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: sangjoewara on September 09, 2020, 10:57:26 AM
I'm yet to find a coin that doesn't have negative volatility. Every coin that has the ability to go up, would also be likely to drop. In fact that's a characteristic of the cryptocurrency market. The volatility is expected to be both negative and positive. The volatility has been the reason for traders making profit in the market.
Yes, and because volatility is something that everyone should consider, especially traders who are always active in the cryptocurrency market, so there is nothing wrong with making this an interesting discussion material in this forum.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: mersal on September 09, 2020, 11:01:52 AM
Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?

1. Is it possible?
2. If not possible, why?
Questions of an amateur, what do you think?

Not a stablecoin pegged to the dollar or fiat.
Looking for a coin which keep growing all the day and never ever going to be in red right?

NO it is not possible to have such coin because the demand and supply determines the value of coin so when the coin having increase in demand the price will increase and vice versa.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on September 09, 2020, 11:25:18 AM
Mostly we are need  that kind of coins having no negative volatility. Absolutely having this are good and it must been added as good work in this field progress of the projects giving as positively outcome.6


Creating a coin without any negative volatility sounds a bit like utopia for me. The thing for many alt coins is that they are traded freely all around the world on multiple exchanges. Prices can go up or down due to supply and demand. In my opinion to restrict these price changes either the coins wouldn't be allowed to trade freely, so we need a central institution managing all the trade. Or having institutions actively trade on the market to cover big price swings. Both of these options could be exploited in my opinion in the long run

I agree with you, this is almost like a utopia, but let's figure out how it is minted and what is behind it and why it cannot devalue, and then it will become clear to you that this is really possible. Try to refute and prove that this is not so, while no one has yet been able to do this.
http://prosh.ru/smartcontract.html (http://prosh.ru/smartcontract.html)


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Chukwunonso on September 09, 2020, 11:31:25 AM
It would be awesome to have a project that would be insured from negative volatility or losses in the cryptocurrency industry, the best we have for now is USDT and other stablecoin. I believe the stablecoin are prevented from having a negative volatility is some aspect or the extent of negative volatility is quite very slim.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: ahmia39 on September 09, 2020, 11:39:16 AM
Mostly we are need  that kind of coins having no negative volatility. Absolutely having this are good and it must been added as good work in this field progress of the projects giving as positively outcome.6
That is obvious, but for now there are many projects whose development has been stunted so that the tokens they have launched have decreased volatility and caused negativity on their own volatility, I think that's the problem most projects are facing right now.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: acdc on September 09, 2020, 01:22:08 PM
I like a coin with negative fluctuations.
The cryptocurrency market attracts people because of its volatility and through which smart people make money, if the market stands still people get nothing.
If people don't like the coin with negative movements I think they should choose a stabecoin or leave the cryptocurrency market.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Google+ on September 09, 2020, 02:57:59 PM
I like a coin with negative fluctuations.
The cryptocurrency market attracts people because of its volatility and through which smart people make money, if the market stands still people get nothing.
If people don't like the coin with negative movements I think they should choose a stabecoin or leave the cryptocurrency market.
if you choose a coin that has a price movement specification like that then it will make you lose because the price could collapse and crash, like some time ago a coin had a price drop until the project died and there was no further development and ended up losing all.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on September 10, 2020, 01:04:18 AM
I like a coin with negative fluctuations.
The cryptocurrency market attracts people because of its volatility and through which smart people make money, if the market stands still people get nothing.
If people don't like the coin with negative movements I think they should choose a stabecoin or leave the cryptocurrency market.
if you choose a coin that has a price movement specification like that then it will make you lose because the price could collapse and crash, like some time ago a coin had a price drop until the project died and there was no further development and ended up losing all.
Show under what circumstances this project can die
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5274044.msg55161984#msg55161984 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5274044.msg55161984#msg55161984)


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on September 10, 2020, 06:30:38 PM
It would be awesome to have a coin that doesn't have negative volatility, but that would be impossible owing to the fact that volatility by its meaning is up and down movement in the value of the cryptocurrency. If there was no negative volatility, Crytocurrency would have be regarded as the best investment one can embark upon for maximum return without risk of losses.
Quite right, only the profitability of the acquisition gives rise in value. The absence of negative volatility does not mean that the coin always grows in price, it may not grow if it is not bought, but the trick of this coin is that it cannot become lower than the purchase price since it is minted by your real asset. For example, if you need to spend 100 bucks for the production of the first coin, and for the production of the next 110, it is unlikely that the price of the first will be cheaper than the second, and so on. The main thing is your real asset, and it is stored in this coin. This is what my project is about.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on September 10, 2020, 07:00:55 PM
I don't know if anything like that is actually possible. How can a coin go into stable form without volatility? Another thing is that there is no such thing as negative volatility, when the price of something goes up, we call it volatility. The value of a coin never increases throughout life, just as the value of a coin never decreases all time.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: jrrsparkles on September 10, 2020, 10:00:40 PM
You can create a coin which is completely decentralized or as a token which is decentralized or pegged to something like backed by gold or fiat value like USD.

But you can never create a coin which is completely decentralized and not as a stable but doesn't decrease its value all the time.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: kawetsriyanto on September 10, 2020, 11:06:46 PM
Do you know what means by "volatility?"
Quote
liability to change rapidly and unpredictably, especially for the worse.
Quote
Historical volatility, as well as implied volatility and volatility in general, can never be negative. In other words, it can reach values from zero to positive infinite only.
If the price is not going down, it means that it is not volatile. Moreover, in the crypto world where it is mostly decentralized, none can control the price. SO, it must have volatility. And the presence of volatility is used by the traders to earn profits.

https://www.macroption.com/can-volatility-be-negative/


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Danslip on September 10, 2020, 11:13:38 PM
If the traders wanna make money, the market volatility will give them chance to take advantage of being right about the trades. In the case of no low volatility, the market price will draw a flat line which makes it boring to trade in the both long and short timeframes. Having a bias in the trade let the trader to make a trading decision but this bias can be a double-edged sword in the long term if the money management rules are ignored.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: AIF on September 10, 2020, 11:50:14 PM
Do you know what means by "volatility?"
Quote
liability to change rapidly and unpredictably, especially for the worse.
Quote
Historical volatility, as well as implied volatility and volatility in general, can never be negative. In other words, it can reach values from zero to positive infinite only.
If the price is not going down, it means that it is not volatile. Moreover, in the crypto world where it is mostly decentralized, none can control the price. SO, it must have volatility. And the presence of volatility is used by the traders to earn profits.

https://www.macroption.com/can-volatility-be-negative/
Thank you for a very informative article showing the incompetence of the author of the thread in terms of the different directions of value movement. By the term negative volatility, he meant that the direction of the price vector can only go up or equal to zero, but never down. Is it possible?


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: criket on September 11, 2020, 01:41:55 AM
If the traders wanna make money, the market volatility will give them chance to take advantage of being right about the trades. In the case of no low volatility, the market price will draw a flat line which makes it boring to trade in the both long and short timeframes. Having a bias in the trade let the trader to make a trading decision but this bias can be a double-edged sword in the long term if the money management rules are ignored.
it happens because there are no good trades for that asset in the market. or indeed the trading volume is too low. for trade, looking for profits will be easily found on assets that have high trades. we can see it on some major exchanges.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on September 11, 2020, 06:18:08 AM
Do you know what means by "volatility?"
Quote
liability to change rapidly and unpredictably, especially for the worse.
Quote
Historical volatility, as well as implied volatility and volatility in general, can never be negative. In other words, it can reach values from zero to positive infinite only.
If the price is not going down, it means that it is not volatile. Moreover, in the crypto world where it is mostly decentralized, none can control the price. SO, it must have volatility. And the presence of volatility is used by the traders to earn profits.

https://www.macroption.com/can-volatility-be-negative/
I am also grateful to you for your article, the term negative volatility I came up with as a marketing ploy that draws attention to the problem of solving my project. Almost all participants rushed to defend volatility without paying attention to the project itself. The project itself solves the problem of making a crypto currency not only as a tool for traders playing on the stock exchange, but also as a reliable decentralized investment vehicle that is not subject to devaluation. Very few people paid attention to this aspect of the project.

http://prosh.ru/smartcontract.html (http://prosh.ru/smartcontract.html)


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: acdc on September 11, 2020, 07:10:34 PM
I like a coin with negative fluctuations.
The cryptocurrency market attracts people because of its volatility and through which smart people make money, if the market stands still people get nothing.
If people don't like the coin with negative movements I think they should choose a stabecoin or leave the cryptocurrency market.
if you choose a coin that has a price movement specification like that then it will make you lose because the price could collapse and crash, like some time ago a coin had a price drop until the project died and there was no further development and ended up losing all.
Of course, when investing in the cryptocurrency market everyone has to understand the profits and risks that the market can bring. If we invest in a dead coin we can lose all our money, but if you invest in a good coin when its price is cheap, you will surely make a big profit.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: AlexAtom on September 12, 2020, 05:16:22 AM
Volatility is not always negative, it can be good too if you are a trader. Many traders are get the profit from coin's volatility.
The key to gain profit is how to know when the price goes up or down no matter how high the volatility is.
Stable coins doesn't have volatility, or only a little volatility and you cannot gain profit from holding it.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: AIF on September 12, 2020, 05:38:34 AM
Volatility is not always negative, it can be good too if you are a trader. Many traders are get the profit from coin's volatility.
The key to gain profit is how to know when the price goes up or down no matter how high the volatility is.
Stable coins doesn't have volatility, or only a little volatility and you cannot gain profit from holding it.
If a coin can only grow in value constantly, is it stable or not?


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Gayong88 on September 12, 2020, 06:21:39 AM
Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?

1. Is it possible?
2. If not possible, why?
Questions of an amateur, what do you think?

Not a stablecoin pegged to the dollar or fiat.

I found one of the options here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0)


Maybe it's just anticipation to take steps in investing if that is your intention, where the volatility if it occurs is closely related to the insvetors.




Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: luckyflop on September 12, 2020, 06:28:37 AM
Do you mean another AKA Ampl ?  ;D
LOL , so many aka Ample and aka anti ample are out there, RMPL , Ympl , Xamp etc, etc!
I don't know why you don't try to bring a new idea and just want to make money from others' ideas?! ???


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on September 12, 2020, 07:16:40 AM
Do you mean another AKA Ampl ?  ;D
LOL , so many aka Ample and aka anti ample are out there, RMPL , Ympl , Xamp etc, etc!
I don't know why you don't try to bring a new idea and just want to make money from others' ideas?! ???
Before claiming that I want to make money on other people's ideas, take the trouble to at least read and understand the project that you condemn. I will be very grateful to you if you compare my project with those you know and give comparative assessments of identity. When asked to do this, they usually say not to hunt time to waste, I wish you good luck.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: AIF on September 13, 2020, 12:58:58 AM
Mostly we are need  that kind of coins having no negative volatility. Absolutely having this are good and it must been added as good work in this field progress of the projects giving as positively outcome.6


Creating a coin without any negative volatility sounds a bit like utopia for me. The thing for many alt coins is that they are traded freely all around the world on multiple exchanges. Prices can go up or down due to supply and demand. In my opinion to restrict these price changes either the coins wouldn't be allowed to trade freely, so we need a central institution managing all the trade. Or having institutions actively trade on the market to cover big price swings. Both of these options could be exploited in my opinion in the long run

I agree with you, this is almost like a utopia, but let's figure out how it is minted and what is behind it and why it cannot devalue, and then it will become clear to you that this is really possible. Try to refute and prove that this is not so, while no one has yet been able to do this.
http://prosh.ru/smartcontract.html (http://prosh.ru/smartcontract.html)
As I understood in your project, the financial asset is ethereum, and it forms a so-called coin without negative volatility, how to understand this, after all, the ethereum itself is very volatile in any direction, and your ETH-WORLD only as a plus does not happen.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: ampu on September 13, 2020, 03:45:17 AM
There is no coin without negative fluctuations. No cryptocurrency just rises in price without dropping at any time. I just know that stable coins always have a stable value even though they can change in value from 0.1 to 5% when the market goes down or goes up excessively.
Although Bitcoin has increased in value millions of times since it was traded, it has seen many drops in price. So a stable coins can only be a stable currency like usdt, usdc, busd ...


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on September 14, 2020, 01:36:49 AM
I am not sure it possible or not. Because if we are about to prevent any negative volatility then we must have enough funds to handle whale dumping. Also in that situation, traders can not take any benefits from the market because traders can only make profits if the market goes ups and down not move in sideways.
Good question
How to deal with the dumping of whales? It is very simple that the project is protected from whales by the fact that it is not profitable for them to dump a coin, ask why? Explaining how the coin is valued? It is estimated in the quantitative content of etherium stored in their deposit in the cryptobank. This means they can sell this coin to someone else at a price no less than it is estimated in the smart contract. For example, no one will dump a secured coin below the value of the collateral, especially if its price only increases with the increase in collateral.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Pamadar on September 14, 2020, 02:44:48 AM
I am not sure it possible or not. Because if we are about to prevent any negative volatility then we must have enough funds to handle whale dumping. Also in that situation, traders can not take any benefits from the market because traders can only make profits if the market goes ups and down not move in sideways.

The volatile movements can bring decent benefits when there's actions that taking place.
Whale dumping really have big impacts to the current situations, every movements from those big whales
creates new trends both sides have both positive and negative effects.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: lienfaye on September 14, 2020, 02:55:20 AM
Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?

1. Is it possible?
2. If not possible, why?
Questions of an amateur, what do you think?
Negative volatility means not dumping? Well who would not want that.
But as a trader the high volatility of crypto is very important for us because thats how we can take advantage the market, thats how we can earn and it depends of our strategy. If its not pegged to stable coins then this is not possible because thats how the crypto works, high volatile, the price can change in snap.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on September 15, 2020, 05:49:24 AM
I am not sure it possible or not. Because if we are about to prevent any negative volatility then we must have enough funds to handle whale dumping. Also in that situation, traders can not take any benefits from the market because traders can only make profits if the market goes ups and down not move in sideways.

The volatile movements can bring decent benefits when there's actions that taking place.
Whale dumping really have big impacts to the current situations, every movements from those big whales
creates new trends both sides have both positive and negative effects.

I agree with you Unstable movements can bring decent benefits to traders, exchange players, but to banks, insurance funds, financial companies to all those who are responsible for the safety of their clients' financial assets, what to do? For them, the crypto currency is very necessary, which I offer

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0)


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on September 16, 2020, 12:55:04 AM
Possible but its hard to happen you need to use a lot of money to use as buy orders so even there are bulk sellers the market will not be affected much. Also many traders see this volatile price of crypto currency as advantage to earn high profit with single price correction so volatility is not bad for them but a good way to earn good amount of money in short time.
To create such a coin, no additional money is required; it is created by your financial asset ETH, which you connect to a cryptobank and receive a coin equivalent of your asset, which cannot be devalued, but only increased.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on September 18, 2020, 05:49:52 AM
It would be awesome to have a coin that doesn't have negative volatility, but that would be impossible owing to the fact that volatility by its meaning is up and down movement in the value of the cryptocurrency. If there was no negative volatility, Crytocurrency would have be regarded as the best investment one can embark upon for maximum return without risk of losses.
These are the conditions for an ideal crypto currency laid down in my project
http://prosh.ru/smartcontract.html (http://prosh.ru/smartcontract.html)

1. It is available to everyone who wants to purchase it (for mining).
2. It is produced by the financial resource of the ETH holders.
3. It has only positive volatility, therefore, It cannot be reset (merged).
4. Its free amount cannot be more than 10 percent of the total emission of the ETH.
5. It regulates the unrestricted emission of ETH in the network.
6. This crypto currency is a symbiosis of two tokens ETH-WORLD and ETH working in pairs and mutually compensating each other.
7. This currency cannot be controlled and it only obeys a simple economic law.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: motun01 on October 30, 2020, 11:16:47 PM
It is wonderful to have a coin that doesn't have negative unpredictability, yet that would be inconceivable inferable from the way that instability by its significance is all over development in the estimation of the cryptocurrency. In the event that there was no negative unpredictability, Crytocurrency would have be viewed as the best investment one can set out upon for greatest return without danger of misfortunes.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on October 31, 2020, 01:19:36 AM
It is wonderful to have a coin that doesn't have negative unpredictability, yet that would be inconceivable inferable from the way that instability by its significance is all over development in the estimation of the cryptocurrency. In the event that there was no negative unpredictability, Crytocurrency would have be viewed as the best investment one can set out upon for greatest return without danger of misfortunes.
You are absolutely right, everything you say about the unpredictability of the cryptocurrency is what solves my project, it is described in the previous post and that it seems very strange to me that everyone agrees with the idea of the project, but no one can believe in him that this can really be done.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: FinneysTrueVision on October 31, 2020, 01:44:55 AM
No, it is not possible because currency is constantly changing in value. Even gold and USD cannot stay the same forever. $1k can still buy you a lot of things but because of economic factors like inflation it will buy you less things in the future.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on October 31, 2020, 02:02:16 AM
No, it is not possible because currency is constantly changing in value. Even gold and USD cannot stay the same forever. $1k can still buy you a lot of things but because of economic factors like inflation it will buy you less things in the future.

What do you mean impossible? You are right, the cost will always be volatile, but the question is in which direction and what to do with predictability? My project http://prosh.ru/smartcontract.html (http://prosh.ru/smartcontract.html) just shows that your investments in cryptocurrency under no circumstances can be devalued, if you try to refute this I will be grateful to you.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: gwdf1 on November 02, 2020, 06:25:42 PM
No, it is not possible because currency is constantly changing in value. Even gold and USD cannot stay the same forever. $1k can still buy you a lot of things but because of economic factors like inflation it will buy you less things in the future.

This is true. Besides, traders will tell you: “We do not need it at all. Otherwise, how will then we trade and make money?” Stable coins exist, and these are low-volatile tokens. But again, they are also volatile. This is crypto, virtual currency. It is always changing.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: qazgroup on November 02, 2020, 09:47:49 PM
Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?

1. Is it possible?
2. If not possible, why?
Questions of an amateur, what do you think?

Not a stablecoin pegged to the dollar or fiat.

I found one of the options here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0)
There are a few projects working on elastic supply that can help to stabilize the price of the token based on set criteria according to which supply and value of the token can increase or decrease but it will always stay in the range and i think such coin can be a great asset for active traders.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: tvplus006 on November 02, 2020, 10:13:41 PM
Ability to see a price increase or decrease of a coin is what makes it tradable. Having a low volatility coin will mean it will be close to being pegged to fiat at certain exact rate. Not exactly more of what we need.

Cryptocurrency with low volatility may be interesting for investors who want to get a profit on a deposit that exceeds the percentage provided by traditional banks. For a trader, high volatility is important, which allows you to get a high profit within a short period of time.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on November 03, 2020, 03:03:30 AM
Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?

1. Is it possible?
2. If not possible, why?
Questions of an amateur, what do you think?

Not a stablecoin pegged to the dollar or fiat.

I found one of the options here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0)
There are a few projects working on elastic supply that can help to stabilize the price of the token based on set criteria according to which supply and value of the token can increase or decrease but it will always stay in the range and i think such coin can be a great asset for active traders.
This survey does not address the lack of volatility. The project referred to by the author of the survey guarantees the safety of your investments at any volatility of the ethereum and allows traders to earn money much more efficiently without fear of unpredictability of the market.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on November 03, 2020, 07:21:24 AM
What you are looking for is impossible, every coins and tokens in crypto space are highly volatility except stable coins only, a coin that's not volatiles and not a stable coin? Doesn't make any sense to me, sorry
In our time, nothing is impossible. Why did you decide that stablecoins have an exception, if tomorrow the judicial authorities will impose a ban on the circulation of stablecoins, what will happen to its rate is clear to everyone, only decentralized coins will survive, the project just shows this. Read and see and if you are able to refute it I will be grateful to you, so far no one has been able to do this.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Greatdev on November 03, 2020, 07:41:45 AM
No I don't need a coin that's volatility free because it doesn't make sense to invest on such coin, I believe that volatility is why crypto investment makes lots of sense, volatility creates lots or unlimited opportunities for old and new investors


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Greatdev on November 03, 2020, 07:45:03 AM
What you are looking for is impossible, every coins and tokens in crypto space are highly volatility except stable coins only, a coin that's not volatiles and not a stable coin? Doesn't make any sense to me, sorry
In our time, nothing is impossible. Why did you decide that stablecoins have an exception, if tomorrow the judicial authorities will impose a ban on the circulation of stablecoins, what will happen to its rate is clear to everyone, only decentralized coins will survive, the project just shows this. Read and see and if you are able to refute it I will be grateful to you, so far no one has been able to do this.
What judicial authorities? Law only have power over coins like XRP and USDT, we have millions of decentralized projects in crypto space, more than centralized projects, nothing can stop the power of blockchain technology


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Shallow on November 03, 2020, 07:46:52 AM
Negative volatility? I do not think that is possible. My reason is this, often and on we always hear that the crypto space is unpredictable, wherein news affects the market be it good news or bad news, which then contributes in making it highly volatile. The only coins we know that are not volatile is stablecoins alone and if there is any tendency that a coin that is not a stablecoin can not be affected by volatility, I believe people would have started working on it, because believe me, volatility is one of the reasons most people are afraid of holding.
Also, from another angle when good news infiltrates the market, we all know the positive sides of it, it leads to a green market and during this time, no matter how long it lasts people no longer remembers there is volatility what they now remembers is gains mostly when it's Bitcoin, and once the market turns around again, they jump into stablecoins. So I do not think this negative volatility is possible.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Novatech8 on November 03, 2020, 08:23:41 AM
Volatility is volatility, what is the negative word about? I'm confused, the reason why we have insane investors in crypto space today isn't really about crypto use cases, it's the dream of making money and that's only achievable through crypto volatility, buying low and selling high for example.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VDraci on November 03, 2020, 10:05:13 AM
I don't need a coin that I can't make profits out of, any coin that has no volatility capability can't bring profits and loss meaning it will stay in one spot forever just like stable coins, I don't see any reasonable reason anyone will wish for such.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: AIF on November 03, 2020, 01:56:51 PM
What you are looking for is impossible, every coins and tokens in crypto space are highly volatility except stable coins only, a coin that's not volatiles and not a stable coin? Doesn't make any sense to me, sorry
In our time, nothing is impossible. Why did you decide that stablecoins have an exception, if tomorrow the judicial authorities will impose a ban on the circulation of stablecoins, what will happen to its rate is clear to everyone, only decentralized coins will survive, the project just shows this. Read and see and if you are able to refute it I will be grateful to you, so far no one has been able to do this.
What judicial authorities? Law only have power over coins like XRP and USDT, we have millions of decentralized projects in crypto space, more than centralized projects, nothing can stop the power of blockchain technology

Name at least one fully decentralized stablecoin not managed by anyone


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: JeotQ on November 03, 2020, 04:47:07 PM
What do you mean by negative volatility? There is no such thing as negative volatility here, volatility is what makes a project profitable for all, that's why I invest on crypto project, volatility is what makes everything senseful, without volatility there is nothing to invest on here


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: AIF on November 04, 2020, 12:34:34 AM
Of course everybody wants it but is it really possible to produce a coin or token with no dumping nature. I will say no and if you say can then you are going to be a scammer at the end.
Yes, you can produce a coin without dumping this is shown in the project, try to refute it if you can
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0)


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: seoincorporation on November 04, 2020, 12:57:51 AM
Negative volatility... What a nice term.

Volatility means the price goes up and down, the coin can have volatility or not, but you can't say it has only positive or only negative volatility... So this is not possible.

You can have coins with volatility like almost all the coins we see now, and coins without the volatility, and they are better known as stable coins. A good example of it is Tether, which is an stable coin whith a zero volatility.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Boov on November 04, 2020, 03:53:38 AM
Negative volatility... What a nice term.

Volatility means the price goes up and down, the coin can have volatility or not, but you can't say it has only positive or only negative volatility... So this is not possible.

You can have coins with volatility like almost all the coins we see now, and coins without the volatility, and they are better known as stable coins. A good example of it is Tether, which is an stable coin whith a zero volatility.

Who does not want coin right, everyone wanted it. We have our own kind of needs that this coin can supply. But knowing a coin that have a negative volatility i don't think so that there was such a negative volatility coin. Either fiat and cryptocurrency has its volatility they only differ in the level of volatility. But both were the same in reason why the volatility of this coin happen and it was a supply and demand of the certain fiat or crypto coin.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: NoG-NoG on November 04, 2020, 07:47:21 AM
I think it is not possibility for a coin/token to do not have any negative trend on its graph as to show its volatility even those coins which are known to be a low-risk crypto such as USDT(Tether) still have their negative trend of volatility.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on November 04, 2020, 08:04:30 AM
Of course everybody wants it but is it really possible to produce a coin or token with no dumping nature. I will say no and if you say can then you are going to be a scammer at the end.
Yes, you can produce a coin without dumping this is shown in the project, try to refute it if you can
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0)
I don't understand that idea either, if you can produce a coin then better explain how it is possible before asking the people to prove how it is not possible.

Any cryptos gets value from their demand and supply by this you will have ups and down for sure.
f you get acquainted with the project and look at the emission schedule of this coin, you will understand that it cannot be reset to zero, it is minted by your financial asset, which is profitable for you to place in your smart contract deposit.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on November 04, 2020, 01:50:53 PM
snip~~~~
f you get acquainted with the project and look at the emission schedule of this coin, you will understand that it cannot be reset to zero, it is minted by your financial asset, which is profitable for you to place in your smart contract deposit.
So its more like a defi collateral lending plan? Okay the emission of coins won't reset to zero but how it is going to stop the coin from falling into the price? Because it is something is in the hand of investors and traders right?
No, the project differs from others in that a trader does not go to Fiat when the ethereum falls, but keeps it in a deposit on his account, and he can sell smart contract tokens, receive Fiat and buy more ethereum and can increase his deposit again.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Winscosinally on November 04, 2020, 01:53:55 PM
Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?

1. Is it possible?
2. If not possible, why?
Questions of an amateur, what do you think?

Not a stablecoin pegged to the dollar or fiat.

I found one of the options here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0)
How the hell will I make Profit out of such project? No one wants such project pal, we are all here because we can buy coins and tokens at cheap price and sell when price increases, volatility is a must or all crypto projects won't make any sense


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on November 04, 2020, 02:21:36 PM
Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?

1. Is it possible?
2. If not possible, why?
Questions of an amateur, what do you think?

Not a stablecoin pegged to the dollar or fiat.

I found one of the options here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0)
How the hell will I make Profit out of such project? No one wants such project pal, we are all here because we can buy coins and tokens at cheap price and sell when price increases, volatility is a must or all crypto projects won't make any sense
With a high volatility of ETH in the market, it will be profitable to place it in the deposit of a smart contract, and the received ETH-WORLD coin, which always has only growth that is not commensurate with the fall in the price of ETH, can be pledged thereby preserving the deposit assets. You can return (unlock) your assets at any time by sending ETH-WORLD tokens to the deposit addresses in the smart contract.
24. This financial system is a symbiosis of two ETH-WORLD and Ethereum tokens working in pairs and mutually compensating each other. The negative volatility of ETH creates a positive prerequisite for placing it in a smart contract deposit. The larger the ETH deposit is in the smart contract, the higher the cost of the ETH-WORLD token will be, which means the value of the saved asset. In turn, a large amount of the deposit creates a deficit in ETH turnover in the network, which leads to an increase in its value.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: Argoo on December 06, 2020, 03:57:11 PM
The high volatility of prices in the cryptocurrency market provides participants in this market with good profits in any condition of this market.  If there is no price volatility or it is significantly reduced, this market will largely lose its attractiveness.  Yes, and a decentralized cryptocurrency will cease to be one if price volatility disappears.  No, price volatility in the cryptocurrency market should remain.


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: FireBallex on December 06, 2020, 06:03:14 PM
Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?

1. Is it possible?
2. If not possible, why?
Questions of an amateur, what do you think?

Not a stablecoin pegged to the dollar or fiat.

I found one of the options here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0)
Volatility is Volatility, what is negative about it? I don't want to invest on any coin that is stable for example stable coins because there is no gain buying them, we buy them to fix our asset at a certain value and probably use them to buy other Volatility coins back at the right time, believe me the Volatility part is why everyone is buying digital currencies


Title: Re: Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?
Post by: VictorProsh on December 06, 2020, 06:12:56 PM
Do you need a coin that does not have negative volatility?

1. Is it possible?
2. If not possible, why?
Questions of an amateur, what do you think?

Not a stablecoin pegged to the dollar or fiat.

I found one of the options here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267705.0)
Volatility is Volatility, what is negative about it? I don't want to invest on any coin that is stable for example stable coins because there is no gain buying them, we buy them to fix our asset at a certain value and probably use them to buy other Volatility coins back at the right time, believe me the Volatility part is why everyone is buying digital currencies
I developed a platform project in which I used the principle of preserving any financial assets through the ETHEREUM cryptocurrency. This platform allows all ETHEREUM holders, when connecting to it, not only to save their assets, but also to increase them. This principle has not been applied anywhere before.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5264440.msg54864983#msg54864983 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5264440.msg54864983#msg54864983)