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I can't read Japanese so have to rely on Google translate, but the gist I'm getting on this article's second page is Mark got them out of the country in January before things hit the proverbial fan:

http://gendai.net/articles/view/newsx/148396

Can anyone say "flight risk" ?

If this is true it would be another proof of  that he is a scaammer and he stole all of those money :-)

Poor Mark. He is getting closer and closer to the jail bait.

Further to this, if her location in Canada is known it might be worth tracking her down to try and get some answers via whatever legal process is available there.

If anything this might help flush Mark out from wherever he is holed up.

Topic of this thread is stupid. His family has nothing to do with it.

The topic scared me a little bit since it seems like an illegal manhunt but if you think about it, knowing where his family live can help locate him in case he flees

That's the point. I'm not suggesting a illegal mob with pitchforks approach but rather use whatever legal options are available to apply pressure where it may be most effective. There have been examples in the past of people transferring assets and property into the name of spouses and children to try and circumvent proceedings so everything should be considered here. Especially in light of the fact (according to the article) that they moved countries just before the situation at Gox started to be revealed.

Go after his family with the hard questions, keep the legal pressure on and don't let up. With the amount of missing money involved, the excuses and the blockchain facts that contradict them this may be the best way to shake the truth loose.

It is definitely an interesting idea, it is probably legal in most countries to search someone's adresses and public informations if you don't intend to harm him or you don't stalk him

I hope we will get to know more of what happened in this gox fiasco but I am sure there will always be a lot of mystery left

Perhaps changing the tone of the thread title would help.

It needs to be checked if Karpeles' wife and kid benefited from fraudulent conveyance. If so creditors can go after Karpeles' family to recover some losses.

You are sick demented man, 80% of my crypto was in Gox, and you know what I hope for the best for Mark and to even mention his family in such a way is disgusting, they did not run the business so leave them out of everything, even legal procedures.  The guy made the first Bitcoin exchange which was a huge development and without that Bitcoin had no price determining mechanism, because there wasn't really a market.  He saw the price increase by an incredible amount and made mistakes, yes, but you know what, running a business is fucking hard.  Imagine trying to find employees qualified to work on Bitcoin.  It's not an easy task and he saw unbelievable growth and was hounded by the Feds for a bunch of bullshit.  Anyone who uses a third-party to hold their coins knows they are taking a risk and with Gox that risk was apparent.  If you lose coins, so long as he didn't steal them, which at this point seems very unlikely, then man up and accept the fact that YOU ignored warning signs and lost coins, because you did not want to get out when there were multiple chances.

Even so, it is no private persons business to track down someone. That is wrong on so many levels :(

WRONG.

Get your facts straight - MtGox was originally created by Jed McCaleb and it was he that had the vision to turn it into a Bitcoin exchange. When it started to grow too fast he decided to sell it in early 2011 to Karpeles who bought it presumably to monetize and grow.  Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mt._Gox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mt._Gox)

Jed was smart enough to hand it over when he realized it was bigger than he could cope with. Mark on the other hand BOUGHT INTO IT with the knowledge of what it was, and as CEO he bears FULL RESPONSIBILITY for any mismanagement that went on. My issue is that his reported past history, claims of being hacked and inconsistency between his version of events and what the blockchain says gives many of the affected people reason to think there was more going on than we are being told here.

You can't tell me that you wouldn't look at every possible option available to you if you lost a life changing amount of BTC on an exchange you were repeatedly assured was "safe".

Or would you?

Fair enough on Jed making it an exchange, I was going off Antonoupolous's claims on Molyneux's recent podcast where he credited Mt. Gox (which under the context seemed to mean was under the control of Karpeles) with giving Bitcoin a price discovery mechanism.  And no, I would not ever consider involving his family, especially considering that the details of a malleability attack and the reports coming out indicate they have almost all the coins, which is why I bought in at the start of this debacle.  Educate yourself rather than place blame.

You still can't say that you don't have any responsibility, as you say he has past history and has claims of being hacked that are inconsistent, yet you kept coins there.  I never had coins in Gox until BitcoinBuilder sold them at a discount because it was obvious Gox had serious issues, but I bet most of my life savings that the issues weren't as large as everyone was saying.  If you had coins in Gox and didn't think there was a risk, then you made serious mistakes and should own up to it, you are ultimately the one in control of your money, so blaming others is just an admission that you don't know what you are doing.

Karpeles is to blame for the mismanagement to a large extent of course, but to only blame him is what a coward does.  Man up, accept responsibility for your actions, and improve the management of your funds in the future.  If I lost the coins, then so be it, I knew the risks and will respond to whatever occurs accordingly to improve the management of my assets in the future.  If you don't place responsibility on yourself you will never learn to manage your wealth and these things will keep occurring.

As someone who lost all of his BTC to MtGox: LEAVE HIS WIFE AND KID ALONE. This has nothing to do with them, don't be fucking immature.

We'll get answers, Mark isn't going anywhere, he has obligations with the court and can't leave Japan, just be patient.

Well, the kid certainly is. But why are you so sure about the wife...? She could be involved in many ways at various levels. You don't know. Just like you don't know anything about Karpeles himself either. Or more importantly, the truth about Gox. And that's what makes people frustrated...

leave the mans family out of it.

I don't care who's family it is, they weren't involved in it and certainly don't deserve what OP is saying. What would they think if they saw this? Come on dude.

Again...
How do you know it wasn't the woman's idea? May be she kept arguing with her husband until he finally gave in to her and they executed the whole thing together as she planned it.
I don't say this was the case but you can not know. So, why do you act like you know anything for a fact?

Even if the wife knows absolutely nothing about anything, but she intends to spen the money what her husband gave to her, she could probably spend stolen money. Is that OK?


Just to be clear.
I personally doesn't give a f**k about his friends or relatives. I am not even obsessed with Karpeles himself.
I care only about the coins, and even then I am far from being bloody serious (it's not that much). The person(s) behind it doesn't matter.
But I feel like I have to make these arguments when I read your posts: "Leave alone the innocent woman". -> Roll back to the beggining of the post: Who knows if she is in fact innocent? I don't. I have zero facts. Where is your proof? Do you have some kind of facts machine?

Glad i'm not in this frenchman's shoes.

Leave them alone, they are staying with Bernie Made-offs wife.

If she has some of the assets from Mt. Gox, civil suits are appropriate. Karpeles went to Japan with very few assets.  If the wife now has a lot of money, it raises questions as to whether she profited from a criminal enterprise.

Don't be afraid!
We just want to get some answers.

http://betanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/boss-bully-mafia-cigar.jpg

As long as nothing changes hands between Mark and his wife, I see no reason to get his family involved.

Agree even the mafia has a rule not to mess with families or declare a vendetta using omerta

Yep, you can get the basic gist from translate & the actual Japanese is rather close to it. It is quickly becoming apparent with this & also the ex-employee story which came out today that he very much liked the high life. The area this house is in, as the article says, is well known for company CEOs to live in. Rumor had it the CEO of McDonalds lived near there as well (hence the McDonalds at that station was always really good & had excellent service lol). I lived not far from there a few years ago, though in an infinitely cheaper apt.

The exact wording about the move to Canada is something like MK's life became busy & then at the End of Jan his wife told someone (probably a neighbor) that she suddenly had to move to Canada. It doesn't say whether she blamed his work for her move when she told whoever it was though. 
The Japanese media can be quite invasive when they want to be & quite w/out impunity, so if this story grows in Japan I'm sure someone will dig him up. Although I daresay he's just holed up in that luxury apt & living via Amazon prime.

You don't track down someone with zero evidence.  If you don't have proof you don't involve them, that is how justice works you fascistic fuck.  Everyone is innocent until proven guilty because you can't prove a negative you dumbass.  How do we know your family didn't do it?  Let's all go on a manhunt for them.

dear op,
anyone who goes after the family of someone he had business with is nothing short of a criminal.
dont go there or you will face a very high risk of being treated as such.

I am not mentioning any ethical arguments against that idea, because if  those values would be something you could see in your hunger for revenge, you wouldn´t have posted this idea of hunting (or "confronting" as you put it) someones kids and wife.

I don't see how I made myself look like a fascist. Did you even read the last paragraph of my post before you went berserker?

I thought I made it clear that I personally don't want to go after any person and I only care about the coins.
I don't really care if Karpeles himself lives a long happy life or shortly ends up in a plastic bag because that won't change my BTC balance. So, I care even less about the relatives.

I just had to make the point that people should not state as a fact that Karpeles's wife is innocent when they have zero facts about that.
Stating that Karpeles's wife is innocent is technically the same thing as stating that Karpeles is innocent. But nobody here (who whish / able to speak about it) knows that.
We have zero facts in out hands here. We are in utter darkness. We have opinions only.

And in this particular case, I wouldn't be surprised if the wife isn't entirely innocent. (I guess she more or less knew about it if her husband stole money from us and she kept enjoying the money.)
But this is just my own guess, so I tell it like that. I write down my opinion as an opinion. I don't state this as a fact and call everybody a stupid gay nazi idiot whoever points it out that I shouldn't state my own opinions as facts.

Spot on. Like I said before this is about using whatever legal options are available to us to pursue the coins and get to the truth of the matter. If she had remained in Japan by his side then there would be no need for this. But I'm sorry, the timing of her move out of the country is too convenient given the facts we do know and does warrant further investigation on that front.

The fact is if she is innocent in all this then she should have nothing to fear from an official investigation.

So, what are you personally going to do about it? Are you just about to do some "official steps" against her? Or are you just spreading chevy here?

I think even if you will track down Mark K. wife she will probably know like NOTHING about this all case - all she will know is that Bitcoin + her husband = problems.

Yes, also i doubt the fat fuck would tell his wife if he really scammed anyone. Srsly, how stupid would he have to be if he had done that?