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Title self-explanatory.  Post President Chump news.

Okay, okay. Just because you make more money than he does, and because you have way more influence, doesn't mean you need to pick on the man like that.

Just ask all the dead, aborted babies he is trying to save.

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That's soooo yesterday.

"Dimwit, Man-Child made President"

That was for Bush Jr.

For Trump it's ...

ORANGEMANBAD!!!!

Trump needs to accuse the investigators of some serious crime, to deflect against these unfounded charges.

It will simply slow them down though.  Trump will eventually go to jail.  :)

You're like TECSHARE's evil twin. Posting headlines and links is just useless spam. We know how to find stuff on the internet and this board is not a fucking bounty link farm. Tell us something worthy of discussion or don't bother.

I never noticed that you don't ask for links to whatever we say. So, thank you for taking us at our word, except when you contradict us with all your hearsay, because you don't have any links to back up whatever you say.

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Here is a link to back up what I'm saying. Take note of item #1 in the list contained therein.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

There is no need for links. There are thousands of ways to say ORANGEMANBAD, with a smirk, a whisper, a menacing tone, a croak. Many other ways are yet to be created. Some may turn entire Trump rallies into pillars of salt.

But they don't stop The Trump.

If the OP is right in his evaluation, then Trump has given the whole country just about the best stimulus package any President could. What package is that? He has shown us that ANYBODY can still fit the Office of the Presidency, and that we ALL have a chance to do good in it, if we get there.

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So what? Can you present your analysis or opinion?

Doubt. I highly doubt anyone in the Trump family will go to jail. I'd consider the corruption that they've engaged in is VERY TYPICAL for any other politician in Washington. If you start going after him for this stuff, then it just opens up a can of worm with every other person in Washington who is also corrupt.

Plus I don't think his grip on the party is going to end right when he's done. I think it'll continue until he passes. He does STILL have VERY HIGH approval ratings from members of the Republican party and that means a lot. It'll obviously go down when he's not the president anymore, but he's still the only real influential republican at the moment. Everyone else is kinda nothing.

^^^ Right! I think that somebody in his family - wife, daughter, son, son-in-law - will get elected following Trump's second term.

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A 2017 and a 2019 article? Wow, that's really current events! (NOT)


Ivanka? The first woman President? She'd have to change her hair a bit and cut the barbie look.

Or not.

ORANGEGIRLBAD!!!!

Not sure why Trump is still doing this, but the base support isn't going away so I guess it's fair to assume that his base likes this and they think that the risk of COVID is non existent or low (and with that, blown out of proportion by the media / the dems)

I just don't understand how Woodward has this recording of Trump which anyone can go listen to which shows Trump KNOWS Covid is deadly. I just don't understand the rational behind still doing things like this. Are his advisors signing off on this sort of thing or like----??????

Confusion, big confusion.

Can you make a coherent statement about your confusion or is your confusion confused?

Seems pretty clear to me.

Why does Trump keep doing stupid shit like sit for a bunch of interviews with the guy known for exposing Nixon and then tell him on the record that the virus he's been telling America is no big deal, is actually very deadly.

And now here we are, book comes out today death count almost 200k, .... it's a good question.

I'm not seeing it as that deadly, but it does seem very contagious. The "count" isn't a decent measure, and I'm sure you are familiar with the comorbidities.

You're not alone.  Millions of Americans find Trump more credible than experts.  Even now, with almost 200k deaths and proof that he was aware in Feb of how deadly it was, they find a way to convince themselves that Trump was telling the truth when he was downplaying it and comparing it to the flu to make it seem like not a big deal.

Pretty nuts.

Yeah I mean I don't think what I wrote was too confusing to understand.

Why sit for an interview with someone who you know is looking for blood? (Which is something that me and SuchMoon were talking about in another thread) You know the guy is a good journalist as well who has the ability to take you down, or at least kill your approval ratings a bit. And you still sit down and talk to him? I don't get it.

Just avoid the media 1:1's and practice a ton with advisors on the best way to frame things, while still keeping the whole Trump style of things. As that is apart of his brand, and his supporters like it.

He didn't sit for Woodwards first book about him, and I remember he was pissed when it came out.

Possible he thought 'that book made me look bad because I let them convince me not to talk to him.  I'm just going to tell him everything and then it will be a good book.  a great book.  the most incredible book you've ever seen etc...'

Also, Woodward is def up there among legendary journalists...might've just turned Trump on so much he couldn't say no.  And then went back 15 more times.

Yes he was, he blasted it as fake news. What's even better is that Trump is currently blasting the Woodward story as fake news and is actually now kinda just ignoring the whole scandal as a whole.

But I mean ignoring is a strategy in the Trump era of news. There's a new story every day, sometimes even every hour. The American voter forgets things so quickly, so yeah.

Crazy stuff though.

Given that there are many basic facts about the virus that were wildly unknown in Feb...

I guess my comment would be your handlers ARE going to try to sling mud based on the administration's handling of Covid, we might as well wait and see if anything sticks.

By the way, I'm actually not aware of Trump advising people on Covid's deadliness. Seems like he's mostly advised people to listen to their local or state health officials, right?

I found that Nevada rally interesting, because their governor had banned meetings > 50 people (which cut out a convention in Vegas I was registered for). Should Trump have followed that? Was he obliged to? Were the people free to go to the rally if they wanted?

Orange man badddd. Must stop Bad Orange 🍊 Man at all costs.  :D

^^basic summation of this thread 

Yes!

Call him names!

JUST LOOK AT BAD ORANGEMAN! BAD! BAD!
President Donald Trump said Tuesday afternoon that up to nine additional nations could join a peace deal with Israel in the near future, including Saudi Arabia.

“We have many other countries [that are] going to be joining us and they’re going to be joining us soon,” Trump told reporters on the White House lawn. “We’ll have, I think, I mean I think seven, or eight, or nine. We’re going to have a lot of other countries joining us, including the big ones.”

“It’s not something that my critics thought was possible and now they say, ‘wow, that was a good idea,'” Trump continued. “I will say, it’s gotten rave reviews.”

About a minute later, Trump added: “I spoke with the king of Saudi Arabia, at the right time I do think they will come in, yes, I do. This is a very big and very historic moment.”

Peace deal bad because ORANGEMAN!!!

^^basic summation of how Trump supporters most often defend Trump

I gotta admit I have wondered why defending trump was so darn easy.

Yeah, gas lighting and ad hominem attacks don't require much effort at all.

Wait....

I thought I hadn't gotten past Argument from Ridicule.

Four years in I still don't get why smart people like yourself support an illiterate buffoon like Trump, up to and including lowering themselves to his level. Back in 2016 I thought anyone who listens to Trump speaking for at least a few minutes would see right through him but here we are. So what's the secret? Does it involve an incantation? Large amounts of chemical substances? Generations of party loyalty? What is it?

I would point out that Democrats have been using AI tools (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/technology-once-used-to-combat-isis-propaganda-is-enlisted-by-democratic-group-to-counter-trumps-coronavirus-messaging/2020/05/01/6bed5f70-8a5b-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html) to identify the most effective counter-points about coronavirus and used millions of paid “influencers” to amplify these messages.

One would have to assume this strategy is continuing to be used in the election season. In fact, there are many suspicious accounts that have recently become active in the politics sub, including some that I believe to be purchased.

Keep this in mind when reading these types of threads.

Including this thread, whose author is essentially just doing a post and dump list of links. Probably the same one on a dozen forums.



It's not uncommon for two (or more) people to listen to the same talk, and have totally divergent opinions about the content, the presentation, and the speaker.

In my case, it's quite simple. Some years ago there was a company I used for various jobs, the CEO was somewhat like trump. Annoying, rude, said the wrong things at the wrong times, on and on. But guess what? Everyone used this guy because he was simply the best, if you wanted great work done on time error free at a great price, you used him.

So I would lean toward 'half autistic genius with poor social skills' and it would not surprise me that various people with certain preconceptions would only see 'illiterate buffoon.' But of those two descriptions, yours is wrong and mine is right.

I would like to point out that if Trump and the Republicans aren't smart enough to use the same kinds of tools that the Democrats use - fight fire with fire - maybe Trump isn't really smart enough to handle the Presidency. And I am not saying that Dem corruption should win. I am just saying "if."

More than likely, Dems are using this stuff (if they are) because they are failing so badly that they are grasping at any straws.

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Talking about 'suspicious accounts' for a second, I highly doubt that people are going to come here to try to influence the election in some way. Not sure if that's what's being spoken about here, but we're like a niche of a niche of a niche in terms of the amount of members here are going to vote and actually care about the election. Plus ya know, you'd have to be in the US.

While I do go back and forth every so often about what I think about Trump (honestly, it may be the weather, lol) I don't think he is a dumb person. I think he knows EXACTLY what he is doing a lot of the time. Some things, obviously I can't explain with that, such as the Woodward book and his statements regarding Covid. But I do think that he wields his power of the Republican party in a very interesting way.

The guy can literally say whatever he wants now cause people have grown to expect it. Interesting, right? While his approval ratings have also been a bit wonky, you'd expect with the constant coverage of 'another trump scandal' every week, he'd be gone by now. But no.

You're getting duped - do a little research.

Trump has a history of fucking over people he does business with, getting away with it, and then simply lying about it for the next time.  Over and over and over again.

His casinos, the airline, Trump University, Trump Steak, the list goes on...the guy's a scammer.  Basically the only thing he's been truly successful at is building his own brand, being a reality TV star, burying people with lawsuits and getting elected president.

The fact that it's not rational does not mean people don't believe they can influence the election. They really think they can. Then there are other things, like cubicle farms full of people who work the Internet all day and have hundreds of thousands of sock puppets.

Anyone who believes that a person that can talk like a 100 IQ hick is a 100IQ hick is a total fool.

Lyndon Johnson was treated like dirt in Washington, they just respect a certain type of background and a certain method of talking. And certain kinds of $1000 shoes.

Reagan was called Teflon Man because no matter what kind of shit was thrown at him, nothing seemed to stick.

The list of us presidents lists the names of all from george washington the first president of the united states to donald trump the current president donald champ is not made as an egg-minded child-president but it is a better chance to win his election. People do not believe it and the people of the country think that the exercise of the sole power of the prime minister is not acceptable he ruled out the possibility of dual rule if the president's power increased.

^^^ Oh, it's the same for anybody who wants to be president. It's a stupid position to want to be in. However, he made it, but you can't.

 ;)

Is that like the Dems and their crusade against the2nd Amendment?

Because that has brought firearm sales to all time highs.

Might the Don do the Same for crypto?

Likely the Dems, due to all their bad behavior the last two years, lose the house majority. What's it take, 18 to flip? And Dems have twice that many up for grabs.

During the May/June riots, some people were calling the prospect of Democrats doing this as being similar to using tanks against their own people.

Every vote counts, and every impression on voters count. I don't know if you read the comments section of WSJ online articles, but there is a "Kevin Smith" who posts thousands of posts over time, almost all as replies to the most 'upvoted' (aka top, and most read) comments, maximizing the number of views his posts gets. This "Kevin Smith" (I am nearly certain this is a fake name) is feverishly anti-Trump, and would be surprised if he is not getting paid one way or another to post.

If an operative can pass themselves off as a person of casual interest, the impact of their posts can be higher for a voter. This is something i am seeing here.

Don't underestimate losers that let politics dominate their lives to the point they freely go into online comment sections and post all day about how Trump shit in their cheerios.


Ahhh, and the crowd goes wild. Good one ::)

The best example of this is covered in depth in this report (https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf).  (Volume 1, Section 2)

Anybody can write garbage without a link to what is really going on. Even Rense. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-child-rape-settlements/

I assume you are talking about 200K Covid deaths. This isn't known, because CDC lies, and the fact that the virus was never isolated in the first place. Or do you have solid evidence to the opposite? Believe China, would you?

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Within the shadow of such a gigantic Dem tank that nobody can comprehend the size of it.

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The President of the United States is the head of state and government of the country. The president is the head of the executive branch of the federal branch of the country and his responsibility is to ensure the proper implementation of state laws provided by the constitution and written by Congress, and every member of the United States has confidence in the vaccine. The United States is far ahead in terms of bitcoin use so there is no fear of being scammed.

Anyone else smell sig spam, or is it just me?

1. Government tends to be anti-Bitcoin because they can't tax it but in what way has Trump purposefully derailed Bitcoin?

2. How many brain cells are you missing to think Trump is in the lab with a microscope working on vaccine production? Do you believe Biden's lies and think that it's a "Trump vaccine", and that it isn't doctors and scientists that are behind vaccine production? Guess the party of science is now anti-vax.

Biden is criticizing Trump for contradicting his own experts timelines on the vaccine.  There's good reason to worry that Trump will find a way to push the vaccine into production and distribution too quickly.

Trump trying to convince people that Biden is an anti-vaxxer is an obv troll.  Just fun and games.

Biden, and Kamala Harris for that matter, have muddied the waters about a vaccine - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/16/us/politics/biden-trump-coronavirus-vaccine.html

Insinuating that it's going to be rushed and that magically a vaccine would be safer under their administration is political mudslinging at the lowest level. It's anti-vax garbage.

By the way, public perception on a vaccine has gone down too. Democrats are more unlikely to get a vaccine compared to the numbers a few months ago.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/press-release/poll-most-americans-worry-political-pressure-will-lead-to-premature-approval-of-a-covid-19-vaccine-half-say-they-would-not-get-a-free-vaccine-approved-before-election-day/

More democrats are suspect of a vaccine than Republicans. This isn't legitimate criticism. Trump is not in charge of producing a vaccine quickly. The CDC and FDA are in charge of this. Being more optimistic about the timeline is no reason to not trust a vaccine the U.S. produces. Biden's campaign staff told him to push this trash.

"Before election day" is obviously a key moment. If you ask a question like that you're gonna get an answer based on people assuming that it's going to be rushed for political purposes. And Trump is definitely feeding those assumptions, he's not very subtle about his goals:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/23/politics/trump-fda-coronavirus-vaccine/index.html


What were you saying about the FDA being in charge? Trump disagrees with you. He seems to think the White House is in charge.

There's a bias in the response between Republicans and democrats, meaning there's politics involved. If a vaccine was produced that early, it would lend credence to the resilience of the scientific community, nothing to do with politics. I hope it would be the goal of every politician to get a vaccine out as soon as possible. I'm curious though, do you actually believe that a "Biden" vaccine would be safer than a "Trump" vaccine.

I'm sure it's all Trump's fault for wanting a quick vaccine and Biden shares no responsibility for peddling anti-vax bullshit claiming a Trump vaccine isn't safe. Everything's Trump's fault, democrats can do no wrong.


What in your link are you referring to? Your source doesn't say Trump is getting rid of all FDA regulations and guidelines for the hell of it to push an unsafe vaccine. There's a lot of red tape involved in getting therapeutic drugs out in the market, I have no doubt that some FDA guidelines would need to be broken. This isn't a bad thing. This does not mean clinical trials will be sped up. This is what's important.


If you recall when this mess started, Washington was where confirmed cases began to spiral out of control.

It was a researcher that had taken flu swabs that essentially sounded the alarm that COVID-19 was spreading in far greater numbers than the confirmed cases records indicated. In essence, this researcher took flu swabs from people in a study months prior to cases spiraling out of control. She had to bypass federal officials to test these flu swabs for coronavirus in order to sound the alarm at how fast cases were spreading - https://www.businessinsider.com/seattle-flu-study-coronavirus-testing-washington-2020-3

The only reason she was not allowed to take these already collected flu swabs and test them for coronavirus was because of bureaucratic red tape.

If Biden wins, he will undoubtedly authorize vaccine production ASAP which will probably violate a few FDA guidelines. Again, this doesn't mean the FDA doesn't have oversight.

All the quotes below are from last Wednesday.  All on the same day (might be off by a day on Bidens).  I could give you tons more examples of Trump contradicting experts that he should be listening to, resulting in the country hearing two different versions of reality. All things considered I think it's a totally reasonable assumption to make that Trump, if he thinks he can get away with it, is fully capable of using his power as president to have the vaccine released early for purely political purposes. Pushing back on that idea now is not muddying the waters.

Dr. Redfield (Director of the CDC) Senate Testimony, under oath:
"A potential coronavirus vaccine will likely be available in limited quantities by the end of this year, but it may only be about 70% effective"

"it would initially be a very limited supply and will have to be prioritized."

"hopefully Americans can start returning back to normal life in 6 to 9 months, late next year"

Trump to Reporters:
"We’re all set to distribute immediately. We are set to — it could be in October, or in November. It could be later than that, but I think it will be in October,"

"We will be able to distribute at least 100 million vaccine doses by the end of 2020. And a large number much sooner than that,"

"The vaccine is going to have tremendous power. It's going to be extremely strong. It's going to be extremely successful. We're not going to have a problem"


Biden:
"I trust vaccines, I trust scientists, but I don’t trust Donald Trump,"



Here are some examples of what anti-vax rhetoric looks like, (from a year or so after Trump switched his party affiliation to Republican):

https://i.gyazo.com/8ccdf05cec78ab3838292f9545224ae6.png

https://i.gyazo.com/af6901074c2f5b4e965306cf4319ac98.png


(heads up, BADecker and the anti vax army are on their way)

And he is insinuating that Trump is involved in vaccine production, when he's not. He's not in the lab making this thing.

His running mate was more blunt about all this: https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-health-delaware-wilmington-c668ece77e1457e5bfbe55cc2e92cbd9


Trump has absolutely said some brain dead things regarding vaccines in the past. Frankly, I think he says some routinely borderline mentally retarded things quite frequently. This doesn't excuse democrats now hopping on the anti-vax train trying to spread FUD about a vaccine. They don't actually believe that Trump is behind this vaccine, they just want to capitalize on the fear of the American people about coronavirus for votes. Quite disgusting imo.

In regards to what Trump said to reporters vs. what the CDC director said. Trump mouthing off bullshit with a silver lining of truth isn't new. I believe the CDC director when he says a coronavirus vaccine will likely be available by the end of the year, and I think Trump was conveying that too. I think Trump was obviously bullshitting when talking about the doses that can be produced, citing the figure 100 million. That doesn't mean the vaccine won't be safe or that it was Trump getting a vaccine rushed through.

These doctors are not going to stand by an unsafe vaccine.

No he's not, that's ridiculous.  He's insinuating that Trump has the power to over rule the experts and have the vaccine distributed to Americans prematurely.  And he does.  And he's already planted that seed.

The FDA is responsible for approving vaccines.
The commissioner is appointed by the president, and can be fired by the president.
While Senate approval is required for a permanent position, we all know Trump has a habit of skirting this requirement by appointing whoever he wants as 'Acting'.

He's already given himself an excuse to over rule the FDA if he wants the vaccine to happen sooner:

https://i.gyazo.com/ae79af0b96e0f34881f03a69fc4c8f65.png

(@SteveFDA is the FDA commissioner)

Do you really think it's crazy to think Trump might fire the FDA comish and replace him with someone that will approve the vaccine right away if he thinks it will help him politically?

Do you think doctors are going to be silent about pushing an unproven vaccine that's skipped clinical trials? Trump is not involved in vaccine production, period. Joe Biden is absolutely implying that Trump is involved in this process and that "his vaccine" is unsafe. You either have a functional and safe vaccine, or you don't. Nothing Trump can do about this, no matter what timeline he refers to, or what timeline the CDC director refers to. Keep in mind, Kamala Harris was much more blunt about this than Joe Biden was. If you don't think they're politicizing a vaccine, I don't know what to tell you.



Yes, I do think this is absolutely insane to be completely honest. If I end up being wrong about this you can be the first one to tell me about it and I'll call Trump a retard, as I have done before on many occasions. This doesn't let Biden off the hook for this ''Trump" vaccine bullshit though.

Right out of the White House:

https://i.gyazo.com/4ee89ecf2652fa482c4da2044eb8c369.png

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-trump-leading-generation-effort-ensure-americans-access-covid-19-vaccine/

"Operation Warp Speed"

This is about funding, really. I don't remember all the details about operation warp speed but like I said, that isn't Trump putting on the lab coat and heading into work lol

Nobody is saying Trump is putting on a lab coat and developing the vaccine.  Trump is promising Americans a timeline for the vaccine that is in direct conflict with the timeline the doctors have offered and it's obviously because of the election - this is from the same "I trust doctors, not Trump" speech by Biden:

“Scientific breakthroughs don’t care about calendars any more than the virus does, they certainly don’t adhere to election cycles. And their timing and their approval and their distribution should never, ever be distorted by political considerations. It should be determined by science and safety alone.”

Then why are you posting a link to Operation Warp Speed? It's about creating a vaccine quickly and Trump allocated federal resources to do so. This doesn't imply that he is purposefully going to release an unsafe vaccine. It should be the job of the federal government to create a vaccine ASAP. Trump mouthing off about the timeline justifies Biden raising the temperature by spouting off about an unsafe vaccine? Or Kamala Harris saying a "Trump vaccine" is unsafe?

Biden is politicizing a vaccine in your statement you linked. A vaccine should not be politicized.

For you to claim that it is "Trump's vaccine", like Biden and his running mate has, that would directly imply that Trump is either in the lab working on the vaccine, or what he would release a safe vaccine overriding what doctors have to say. There isn't any evidence of this.

The only mismatch between Trump and what his CDC director said is the number of doses. There could be a vaccine that's post clinical trials in November or December according to the CDC.

Because you were claiming Biden was referring to Trump literally making the vaccine himself in a lab.

So you were providing me a source to Operation Warp Speed to prove Trump was not making the vaccine himself in a lab?

that's so silly. Ivanka is making it.

Will you drop this straw man. No one except you is saying that. The issue is Trump (the president, remember?) pressuring FDA to approve the vaccine based on a specific date, despite FDA officials and scientists insisting how unrealistic that is. The fact that you need to post paragraphs of explanations of what Trump can or can't do etc is a dead giveaway that this is not normal.

Given Trump's history of appointing sycophants (e.g. Barr) there is a real concern that he may replace the top brass (who may resign if pressure continues) of the FDA with someone who'd do it for him. Or he could issue an executive order. Or just tweet that a vaccine will be available tomorrow. "I trust vaccines, I trust scientists, but I don’t trust Donald Trump" is what pretty much any sane person should be thinking looking at all this nonsense. It's not anti-vaxxer, it doesn't imply Trump is wearing a lab coat, so just drop it and find some real Biden gaffe to be agitated about.

I think by now you must understand that we were discussing your perception of what Biden was insinuating about Trump - not what Trump was actually doing.  So, I guess you must be arguing in bad faith.

So my paragraphs of explanation is a dead giveaway that this is not normal, but you won't explain how and accuse me of strawman?

I'm telling you right now, Joe Biden will be bypassing federal FDA regulations to get out a vaccine ASAP. Vaccine production does not occur in 7 months with mass production in under a year without violating some sort of bureaucratic red tape.

The reason I bring this point up is again, Joe Biden is creating this perception that Trump is personally creating the vaccine himself by claiming that he will trust scientists and doctors, not Trump, about a vaccine. His running mate, very specifically saying

You can't possibly criticize a President for wanting a quick vaccine and then presumptively assume he's going to fire the commissioner of the FDA to match your beliefs. If you want to make a legitimate argument that Trump is pushing an unsafe vaccine, then wait till he actually fires all the scientists and doctors to push an unsafe vaccine early.


You're essentially repeating what Kamala Harris has to say on the issue which tells you right now it's not an actual legitimate point of concern because she will say absolutely anything to become elected. It's political mudslinging that I really understand why you believe to be true. We have the polling data already. We know there is a bias on who would take a vaccine when it comes to democrats and Republicans. So clearly a vaccine was politicized no matter which way you look at it, and Joe Biden is not helping.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html

By the way, in this source, Chief advisor on Operation Warp Speed has explicitly said there has been no interference by Trump and that he would resign if Trump pushed emergency authorization he did not believe in. There is a zero chance that people will stand around and let Trump push an unsafe vaccine. It doesn't work this way. There is oversight.




I do actually want to know what your point was by linking Operation Warp Speed.

I did. It is absolutely not normal for the president to contradict and pressure a government agency in this situation. He should step back and admit that a vaccine before election day is extremely unlikely but he keeps using it as an election prop.


And yet he's trying to do so, going as far as accusing the FDA of being "political" in the process of approving the vaccine because it's not happening as fast as he wants. Those are Trump's actions that are being criticized, not some made up story about him wearing a lab coat.

You said you thought Biden was saying he didn't trust Trump to literally go make the vaccine himself in a lab.  Do you still think so after learning what Trump has said about the vaccine?

Are you forgetting when Obama routinely pressured government agencies throughout his administration to accomplish political goals? So by his standard, this is very normal.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbasile/2014/01/31/obamas-weaponization-of-government/#25ad0cf31b92

I wouldn't even say Trump is "pressuring" the FDA. Pressuring for me would be him firing everyone who refused to put out an unsafe vaccine.

Whatever. It's quite amusing how you keep reading between the lines in what Biden or Harris said about Trump but you completely disregard what Trump actually said. Sure, no pressure when your boss tells you this project has to be done by November. What's the worst that can happen? Getting fired? Pffft. No pressure at all.

https://i.imgflip.com/22zr8r.jpg

Do you have a source for Trump in essence saying that a vaccine must be produced by November or he will threaten firings? For someone accusing me of reading in between the lines, you surely are making a lot of assumptions about what's going on inside the FDA and CDC.

If the CDC/FDA heads get fired, then you're right about this. There is legitimate causes for concern about Trump pushing an unsafe vaccine. You won't see me be happy about Trump firing scientists/doctors in order to push a vaccine. Until then, I'm not going to assume anything. I'll wait for the facts.


I mean, 10/10 meme and all. But are you going to concede that you were wrong about the President pressuring federal agencies, and how it actually is normal considering Obama did it routinely? I notice many liberals here will never concede a point about anything that's a dig to their own party because for reasons I don't get. Whatever, I guess.

I'm not making any assumptions. My opinion of this being not normal is based entirely on Trump's public words and actions. Saying that a firing must happen in order for this to be called "pressure" is ludicrous. If it was all benign as you're claiming there would be no reason for him to inject (no pun intended) himself into the vaccine timeline discussion with these contradictory statements. He could just say "vaccine will happen when it's ready and I have the best scientists/doctors working on this" etc.


If Trump steps back and agrees with his far more qualified subordinates instead of saying things like this:


I will concede that there is no longer pressure.

You're the one who brought up Obama in a Trump thread so spare me the BS. Feel free to meme me if I bring up Trump in an Obama thread.

So attempting to expedite a vaccine is not normal? What exactly do you think Joe Biden will be doing in office? Joe Biden will do everything Trump is doing except publicly talk to the media about it.



Trump mouthing off nonsense like this is surprising? We've been at this for nearly 4 years now. I don't care about his useless words, I care about actions or direct evidence that he is going to push an unsafe vaccine. One example of this would be firing scientists who don't agree to sign off on an unsafe vaccine.


You claimed that it is not normal for Trump to exert pressure on government agencies. I provided you a link of Obama doing the same exact thing which made your statement untrue. What else would you like me to do here when you say something that isn't true? Who else would you like me to reference other than a previous President doing the same exact thing you claim is not normal? 

No, I don't think Biden will be doing everything Trump is doing.


So is it normal or nonsense?


That's not how logic works. Someone else being accused of doing something similar (I don't think it's "same exact thing" - don't recall Obama calling out FDA for "political moves" regarding a vaccine a month before election) does not make my statement untrue.


You could prove that I'm wrong, for example prove that Trump actually agrees with his government officials, scientists, and doctors, and that he accepts that the vaccine is very unlikely to be ready by November. That would be quite normal.

Also read up on logical fallacies. They're fun to use but here in P&S we have higher standards than just plain old Soviet-style whataboutism, and straw people are a fire hazard. Try appeal to pity, very fitting for a pandemic.

Wishful thinking.



Trump spouting off to the media? Yeah, lots of nonsense there. Trump pressuring federal agencies? Definitely normal considering past Presidents have done this.



That is absolutely how logic works. You're just saying that it's okay for Obama to exert political pressure on federal agencies, but not Trump. It's normal when Obama does it, but not Trump. 

I also don't recall Trump expanding the powers of the NSA and CIA engaging in warrantless wiretapping of private citizens or using his IRS to target oppositions of his party, which I would argue is worse than trying to expedite a vaccine during a pandemic. Regardless, the fact remains -- Obama pressured governmental agencies as did Trump. It's nothing unusual. It's the job of the executive to have authority over these agencies.



Alternatively, you could also provide me evidence that Trump is going to clear house of all employees in governmental agencies if they try to stop Trump from pushing an unsafe vaccine. I recall you mentioning that it's within the realm of possibility that Trump would fire the commissioner of the FDA. Any evidence to support this?

The CDC director said a vaccine could be ready by the end of 2020. Trump saying a vaccine could be ready by November isn't a lie, and it isn't him ignoring scientists. At most, that's being overly optimistic.

Dr. Fauci has also gone on the record numerous times stating that Trump has listened to himself and others regarding COVID-19 mitigation, for what it's worth.

Gyfts, Do you still think Biden was referring to Trump literally making the vaccine himself in a lab? 

So.... there is no pressure but if there is then it's normal because Obama but there is no pressure because Trump hasn't fired the head of the FDA yet. Is this the position that's supposed to instill confidence that the vaccine would not be rushed for political/election reasons?

That doesn't quite cut it for me but let's call it a difference of opinion.

The normal process is several years of testing for a vaccine. "Rushing" is pretty much the same whether the release to the public is in October or 2021 Jan - March whatever. In both cases it's "rushed out."

I'm not technically familiar with the series of tests that create the timeframes, but if they say they can get it out to the public reasonably safely, sounds good to me. Leave it to the medical professionals to figure the details.

There is no election in March and given the current progress of phase 3 tests the timeline is far more realistic so there's quite a bit of difference. The only way a vaccine could get approved before the election is some sort of emergency authorization bypassing phase 3. It would be a bad idea to make such a vaccine available to the general public. There might be some plausible limited use scenarios... but then again, there are phase 3 trials underway involving tens of thousands of subjects so Trump might as well brag about that instead of making dangerous statements like the intent to override FDA decisions.

Now can you convince Trump to leave it to the professionals?

I hope you will forgive me for carefully researching the facts instead of taking them as totally true as presented. Here is a decent writeup I think of the issue. It doesn't look like it would be Trump that would do the EUA. FYI I've never believed in this particular vaccine effort and thought it was more like getting the public to believe a "cure it all" was going to come from the scientists. More like a "Have faith" issue.

The current pace of phase 3 clinical trials means that the FDA might not have enough evidence of safety and efficacy to grant full approval to a Covid-19 vaccine before November.

Instead, the agency may invoke an emergency use authorization, or EUA, for a vaccine. This provision gives the FDA wide latitude to allow health providers to use approaches during a public health emergency that have a likely benefit. That’s a much lower bar than is needed for conventional approval, which requires a demonstrated health benefit with completed clinical trials.

FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn said that his agency is open to the idea of issuing an EUA for a vaccine, bypassing phase 3 trials, but companies would have to take the lead. “It is up to the sponsor [vaccine developer] to apply for authorisation or approval, and we make an adjudication of their application,” Hahn told the Financial Times on August 30. “If they do that before the end of phase 3, we may find that appropriate. We may find that inappropriate, we will make a determination.”

https://www.vox.com/2020/9/8/21419912/covid-19-vaccine-coronavirus-fda-cdc-election-2020-trump

I never said that Trump would do emergency authorization. I said that emergency authorization is the only possible vaccine availability path before November. Whereas Trump seems to be claiming (in this typical "nonsense" manner so I guess there is some wiggle room for you to deny it) that full approval is possible:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-marine-one-departure-080620/


And note the "I'm doing it"... doesn't it conjure up a picture of Trump in a lab coat? j/k

Bush Jr. in his pressurized flight suit, now Trump in his lab coat? Actually you may have something there. The day of the vaccine release, Trump in his lab coat...

Trump loves the United States, so he will naturally take actions that benefit the United States, including trying to get a safe vaccine approved as quickly as possible while maintaining safety. Every day that goes by without a safe vaccine, is one more day that millions of Americans are harmed due to lack of job opportunities, and excessive stress, and millions of American children are harmed because of lack of education (zoom learning is basically worthless), and lack of ability to socialize in school.

If a vaccine is available before election day, there is an argument that vaccines should be available at polling stations.

To draw analogies, today climate science shows very well the dangers and errors of "politicized science." Decades ago, there was the case of Lysencho in the Soviet Union, and the incorrect understanding of genetics that was propagated because it was politically correct.

Proponents believe that the whole issue of balance of power or fair elections depends on an election commission. Many people are infected due to the virus in case the right time to choose. If the power of the President is increased a situation like dual rule may be created in the country. So even if the election is not too far away nothing is possible until the situation is right.

It's hard not to be cynical when this man goes for a joyride and then the very next day is allowed to go home. btw, I'm amazed that no pro-Trump shills have started trolling this thread... (I have no love for the man or his politics, nor am I even American, but I am a keen follower of foreign politics)

Wow, so many sock puppets!

Hm. What's the reason for calling them sock puppets? The same sort of news reporting being used by both? I'm not really in tune with the whole, catching duplicate accounts on here.

But onto the lines of attack. I highly doubt Obamacare is going to be the reason that Trump losses Texas. I personally don't even subscribe to Trump losing Texas. Maybe in the future if the Republicans continue to lose ground to demographic changes in the area. Though I don't think it'll be enough for this cycle.

You can snip this if I'm wrong. I have tons of conflicting opinions on the election. LOL.

It doesn't seem fair to blame everything on Trump, but rather the complacency of the American people. Obama seemed like a fairly respectable and progressive leader, but I think people started getting lazy or were simply fed up of the required austerity after years of overspending. Unfortunately there seems to be a common pattern, where the Republican party runs up massive debts and instability. Then the Democrats spend a lot of effort to fix it, but ultimately get blamed because it takes a long time to repair and people end up getting bored.

It's ridiculous how that orange chimp ever got into power but it just shows you how far the reality-tv driven society has really fallen. There are many weaknesses that can be exploited within democracies and he took advantage of every one of them, because most people never thought that a politician would ever be that abusive. He has really damaged the reputation that America had left in the world and hopefully that can start to get repaired once he leaves office. It's unbelievable how many longterm treaties he has broken which were beneficial to the world and all the devious crimes he has committed.

Many research has been carry out concerning Donald Trump who claim to be a Christian since he saw the crowd of Christian follow Biden for coming election which is next month. I don't think religion will save Trump if he fail to do the right thing in the right time before election day. Many people think Trump will not do anything if elected for second term he will live all project uncomplete. Many leaders are withdrawing their support from Trump say no way Trump will remember them for the role they play during campaign rally.

Really? I hadn't heard that before. Got any more words of wisdom?

Trump can't lose the election.

If he wins, he goes on to bring the world some of the best, US-presidential freedoms that have ever been seen.

If he loses, he wins freedom from a bunch of average-people ignoramuses, who are ignorantly out to destroy themselves and everybody around them.

Trump can't lose.

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biden is nothing more than an empty husk for the left, representing nothing but a spineless and stupid old white man, at the top of a movement representing foreign racism and greed against the americans,

someone from outside should morally not support the disgusting democrats

The swamp and their take-over-the-world people are desperate. They want Trump removed, now, before he can show them for what they are. At least we have found out where Olbermann stands, by his own words and actions.

Check out the site for emphasis and links.

Olbermann: (Olbermann vs. Trump #22:) Trump Loses Mind, Begins 2024 Campaign - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_7f-DfmNNQ.


Watch: Deranged Olbermann Calls For Coup Against President Trump (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/293825-2020-11-06-watch-deranged-olbermann-calls-for-coup-against-president-trump.htm)




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Might want to consider changing thread title.
I suggest:
Donald Chump: a Dimwit Man-Child Lame Duck

At least TPTB who did intentionally released covid to frame china, steal the election from trump, assure massive bail outs and foster the forced vaccination agendas... have hired a giant troll farm ! how much are you paid?

ask for a raise, and please copy paste docs, you will be able to monetize them to your "employers" later...

to get more $.

:).

the left has deliberately established a fool and weak old white man in order to start the sellout of the americans, with biden they have shown their evil nature.

they want to crush america like they crushed venezuela, then they will continue their evil path of destruction towards europe china and the middle east.

as long as there is somewhere some social order and economy, the left will try to destroy it.

it can't live in a world where people are not the same. the left needs to live among robots.

biden is massively evil it is irresponsible to let him rule, americans of all colors will hate trump if he will not impose a military dictatorship to prevent biden.

because biden will make many things worse.

U.S. President Donald Trump has sharply criticized the judiciary and therefore the justice system after a court suspended his imposed travel ban if anything happens within the us the judges are going to be held accountable and americans should blame the system he said mr trump has said he has instructed border officials to look people entering the us very carefully. Citizens will face legal problems because Mr. Trump has faced one legal hurdle after another since citizens of seven Muslim countries were barred from entering the us during this Biden will take an equivalent approach.

^^^ Of course he's an embarrassment. He should have seen the Dem fraud and attempted coup coming so long ago that he could have had the whole election fraud thing wrapped up before it started.

Oh, wait. If Trump had jumped on the fraud right away, he would have missed a whole lot of crooks who are being taken down with Biden, right now.


Watch again: Giuliani attends election hearing in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vfBD0JpeKEw/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEjCPYBEIoBSFryq4qpAxUIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJDeAE=&rs=AOn4CLAaxRrxufl7fhz4TuQR3dtrnuUZNg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfBD0JpeKEw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfBD0JpeKEw)


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I remain neutral in us politics.
But he made so many great achievements and improvements to the country.
I never understood why the americans hate him so much

Americans don't hate Trump at all. Oh, sure. There will always be a few.

But Trump supporters are a bit peeved with him for losing the election... for not being able to overcome the cyber-war on his own. It is the media that is spamming everybody all over the place, telling them that their neighbors who were driving around town, holding up signs "Trump for President," are the ones who hate him. They got you tricked into believing that Americans hate Trump. It's part of their cyber-war campaign.

It seems that there are a lot of people against Trump in this forum. But mostly it is a handful of talker-puppets, who are against anything their bosses tell them to be against. All they do is blab.

This isn't over yet.

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Never thought I'd see the day...proud of you for finally admitting to yourself what really happened.

Pretty sure a good amount of Republicans have come around to the fact that Trump is no longer the President at this point. #1 Because like, it’s been sometime — nearing a month in about a week or so for the Biden presidency.

#2 - Donald Trump has stayed away from the public light, your view on if that is his decision or not (given twitter/facebook bans) but I haven’t really heard anything that was said directly from his recently. Guy is really just trying to let this impeachment thing die in the Senate and let it be over with.

We’ll see what his real intentions are once this impeachment dies in the Senate once they put it up for a vote.

No, no, no. You never think is proper English.

All you need do is to add the rest of what I said, to see what I mean about you thinking:
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And this weekend he will be acquitted, for that is your corrupt republic.  :/

well it was all correct, the democrats are marxists, technically, they are now destroying the US currency with their covid insanity.

trump did nothing wrong.

the US itself is a corrupt and zombie republic it is that since 1776 thats why it started with a civil war against britain

You are so full of shit.
Small wonder no one ever quotes or replies to your mindless repetitive posts.
Everyone has you on ignore. I myself don't use the ignore button so that on occasion, when I've had a few I can flame morons like you.

He was elected by the people so anything they say right now is not creditable. Elections was fair and democratic. They choose him for their president. Maybe they didnt think about character lines Trump have but anyway he was chosen by the majority. So the dont have the right to talk like this. Now they do everything to make satan of him. You are not getting anything with that.

Google and Big Tech hackers are shutting down the military communications that show that the election was fraudulently stolen over the Internet.

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No, they aren't.  The military doesn't use gmail.