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Are the Nvidia 3000 Series the BEST GPUs for MINING EVER?! Let's review the Nvidia RTX 3060, 3070, 3080, and 3090 graphics cards for GPU mining! We estimate the mining performance and hashrates!

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We are gamers, but we are more interested in cryptocurrency and mining! Bitcoin, Ethereum, and other cryptocurrencies are incredible tools and platforms to improve our world.. oh and their literally once in a lifetime wealth changing opportunities. I built my dream gaming PC which cryptocurrency profits, and then mined more crypto and paid it off 5x. Naturally, I'm extremely excited to see the new RTX 3000 series GPUs from Nvidia. Forget all of the ray tracing this and DLSS that, let's talk on-board GPU memory and CUDA cores baby! These graphics cards are going to be incredible for mining, further allowing GPU miners to complete with ASIC miners and FPGA miners. The best mining hardware is one that is of a multi-purpose to encourage more users to take part in cryptocurrency and crypto mining -- such as convincing your friend to mine Ethereum with his gaming PC as opposed to having to buy a $3000 ASIC miner from some Chinese company that provides a 0.5 day warranty.. Anyway let's review what we know about the Nvidia RTX 3060, Nvidia RTX 3070, Nvidia RTX 3080, and the Nvidia RTX 3090 graphics cards!

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in year 2015 r9 390 is 8gb. 3070 is 8gb in 4th quarter of 2020. even gamers will despise that card LOL

3070 is equal to 2080ti performance? 2080ti is still almost equal to 1080ti performance, 1080ti is circa 2017

3070 is garbage.



if 3080 vs 3090 for mining...

..is like 280x vs 290/390, then 3090 is waste of money and power (vrams that are not utilized consumes power, cost more than 2x of 3080)

..is like 1080 vs 1080ti, then maybe 3090 is a good card.

In my entire life, I have never seen a weaker xx70 to date than any previous generations. I really dont understand why they decided to release it later than 3090 or 3080, 3070 is not threat at all to them, actually if I was nvidia I would release the 3090 then 3070 then 3080 for last.

this could be a hint to all of us. bad news for amd fans

3070 last (around same time of big navi release) because maybe that's where the performance of big navi...around the performance of 3070.

yes 5700xt can hash 50+mhs for eth, maybe big navi can do 70mhs, but nvidia and amd didn't make cards for eth, its all about gaming.

gaming performance of 3070 gddr6 and big navi (gddr6 too), so this is the fighting range.

there is a leak about 3070ti using 16gb, big navi is rumored to be 12gb and 16gb. 3070ti at 16gb will finish the fight with amd.

maybe marketing knows $500 budget is where majority of gamers are.


why a hint?
  
a hint that maybe the game is over, if you want to have the best tech but afraid to spend $1500 for 3090 then 3080 for you at $700....but a few months to a year when 10gb is not enough for your needs, you buy 3080ti with 16gb or 20gb gddr6x for 900$ LOL

 

garbage or not garbage :D

Show me what hashrate new video cards give?
I'm tired of waiting...

dude enjoy the foreplay first LOL

Tomorrow i guess.

Another useless video from vosk  ::)

Video Title:
Are the Nvidia 3000 Series the BEST GPUs for MINING EVER?! RTX 3070, 3080, and 3090 HASHRATES

And then? You talk about some leaks or expected hashrates from other sites. Why you don´t do your own research? How much time you spend on producing this video? 16min?

AMD fanboys are feeling the heat like this sxemini dude. going around altcoin mining section on nvidia rampage posts heheheh

troll posting people talking good about nvidia cards.

well if you look at his post history owns rx 480 and rx 580.

now he possibly owns 5700xt amd's cutting edge new gpu technology that hashes ~50mhs, only to find out that 1080ti a circa 2017 gpu can do 50mhs LOL  ;D so he wants the new 30xx series of nvidia to do just around 65mhs hehe

dude if a typhoon is coming to destroy your flimsy house, don't hate the guy that is talking that the typhoon is strong...

P.S. i forgot, you don't understand analogies. you have a comprehension problem.  ;D

"As for the mining performance itself, the GeForce RTX 3080 has a mining rate of 73-74 MH/s out of the box on Ethereum DaggerHashimoto algorithm. The performance reaches up to 82-84 MH/s and overclocking the card leads to a maximum performance output of up to 92-93 MH/s. "

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ethereum-crypto-mining-performance-leaks-out/

So 115 mh/s probably was using custom timings.

It's not bad if you look for density, the question now is how much watts to achieve that and how much it can be undervolted while still keeping a high hashrate.

wattage..

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ethereum-daggerhashimoto-mining-performance (https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ethereum-daggerhashimoto-mining-performance)

remember mining software optimization is not done yet for that card. maybe it can do better with efficiency.

65%, 210W, 79.8 MH/s

Thanks for the link, 2.6 watts per mhs is not bad. The 5700 does 58 mhs using 180 watts, 3.10 watts per mhs. The normal rx 570 does 30 mhs 130 watts, 4.3 watts per mhs. The radeon vii does the same hashrate and uses the same 210 watts, however i would still prefer the 3080, so, the 3080 is the winner because it would be used for everything, radeon vii only good for eth and few other algos.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 ETH (Dagger-Hashimoto)
________________________________________________________
Power Limit___Board Power__Hash Rate (Stock)____Hash Rate (OC)____Watt/Mh (OC)
100%_________~320W______~81.2 MH/s_________~89.1 MH/s________3.59
90%__________~290W______~81.3 MH/s_________~89.5 MH/s________3.25
80%__________~255W______~80.9 MH/s_________~88.4 MH/s________2.89
70%__________~225W______~80.7 MH/s_________~87.8 MH/s________2.58
65%________~210W_____~79.8 MH/s_______~86.0 MH/s______2.44  ****
60%__________~193W______~60.2 MH/s_________~61.3 MH/s________3.06

Not bad!!!  ::)

The problem is Ampere has double the fp32 throughput but not for integer instructions.

Ampere:
fp32 : int
2 : 1 ratio
(that is why nvidia "falsely" doubled their core count)

Turing/Pascal and also AMD Gpus:
fp32 : int
1 : 1 ratio

But mining/hashing is integer math and therefore the Ampere architecture is actually not ideal at all.
(with rt and tensor cores as well as these fp32 cores ALOT of silicon is wasted)




Cryptonight-GPU for Ryocoin has implemented fp32 functions in their hashing algo.
And I think there are ProgPow variations which also include some fp32 rounds in their hashing functions.
This is where the Ampere architecture should really shine.

We will see that as soon as other algo benchmarks are shown. I still believe it will be good for everything.

no the 5700 does 51 at 125-135 watts at wall on k-watt meter    2.45 watts to 2.64 watts  a mh

balls to the wall clocking at 180 watts to get 58mh  is doable but not smart.

the 3080 is almost exactly equal at the lower clock of 210 watts. it is around 2.44 watts

So to me these cards are very close to the same in efficiency.

They did nearly double the core count for the same price range. The FP32 improvement is per core.
Nothing false about it.

Regarding the original question, it depends on the algo. For compute bound algos the answer is yes
but it isn't fair to judge against older tech. I believe Maxwell had a bigger impact and ruled in its day.

For I/O bound algos all those extra cores are useless.

Okay, so 3080 still the best option then, density is always better unless big navi surprises us which i dont think it will.

Yes it is marginally better, but better.
2x 3080 cards  would be 1600 + 180 for the mobo/ram/cpu/psu
and room for 2 more cards

rig I show below has 4 cards at a cost of  1300 + 180 = 1480

so 1480, 470 watts board full or 2960  for 2 rigs doing 310mh at 940 watts

or 1780 , 470 watts board can add 2 cards. or 3380 for 1 rig doing 320mh at 940 watts

you save some space with the 3080's it costs a little takes up  more half the space and my 8 slot boards  are fine with 940 watts the gear would not over heat.  of course you need to pay 800 a card if price goes ballistic they are not worth more then 800 a card.

https://i.imgur.com/HS1FKo9.png

i expect this which is why a bought a few end of life xt 5700, hash per what on eth will be the same and right now i only care about eth.  Now progpow is a different story this 3080 should smash records on progpow. 40 or 50hms? vs 25 max on 5700xt

Great video vosk

i gruess with proper tweaking and new drivers the 3080 can reach 100mh easily if not more with the same efficiency

The chinese are doing 115 mhs, so they must know something we dont yet and many of them got amperes 2 weeks before release.

They know nothing, here are first screenshots from RTX hashrate, very close to my expected hashrates  ;D

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ethereum-daggerhashimoto-mining-performance (https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ethereum-daggerhashimoto-mining-performance)

Some chinese have been with the gpus for more than 2 weeks and they know nothing? You get the troll award of the day ehhe

his estimate is only at 60% power draw of the card

his brain power lacks 40% lol  :D

Hmm i was really close with my expect hashrate, you say it comes with over 100mh or more. 65mh to 80mh? and over 100 to 80mh. who was closer?
And whats the truth? Lol your comment, i see your brain. stupid sorry dude nothing more.

for me sweetspot is at powerlimit 65%.

estimates is about what a card can do? i say 100mhs, it can do 93mhs without optimizations yet so 100mhs is still on the table.

english language says "can do"...what can it do?, so far 93mhs.

so if you want to run in the "efficiency sector" then 65% power limit is the sweet spot but the hashrate is 80mhs. that's 15mhs difference to your prediction of 65mhs.

with further optimization a 10% increase is very possible so if runs efficient at 90mhs(optimized and efficient), you will be wrong with ~25mhs.

i am out, i only discuss with person´s you understand technology.

best sentence from you, that show your knowledge:
anyway my point is about 150mhs "possibility" from gddr5x to 6 to 6x. that's two vram generation leaps. understand the analogy. then you will understand why it is a "possibility"

And for you, i have no AMD 5700, 5600, but i have much nvidia cards like p104, p106, 1070 and much more AMD cards.

lol .. so there you go...a lot of cards that will be phased out/ outclassed in the coming "major" leg up in gpu technology.

you will own a ton of garbage that nobody wants to buy..now i really do understand your pain, sorry for your loss.

150mhs is a possibility for 3090 i said not 3080..sme-mini dick in putting words in others mouth now? hehe

3080 did 93mhs, with those extras in 3090... can still possibly reach up to 150mhs (will not mention tech terms just to make mini dick feel a bit smarter hehe)



just to point out that 3080 is getting bottle neck by 8700k intel processor, only around 3900x and 10900k processor levels can unleash it's extra juice in gaming, that's how "major" this leg up in gpu technology is. so people worshiping r9 390s (like mini dick) will not like it, not one bit.

I'd rather show real mining performance when I am able to get the cards in hand, another useless comment from you :D

920GB/s bandwidth is required to achieve 115MH/s theoretically. That's 23GT/s.

In reality though, the efficiency is about 85-90%, so you'll need 25-26GT/s to get 115MH/s. So its possible on the 3090, but not on the 3080.

Compare it to Polaris.
32MH/s requires 256GB/s bandwidth theoretical. 256GB/s bandwidth needs the memory clocked at only 8GT/s. But user results show they need the memory to be 8.8, or even 9GT/s to reach that. This is all assuming you have the optimal timings.

It's unrealistic to expect 115MH/s. They are liars. Not surprising from China.

Okay, let me try to understand it, given your numbers, if 32 requires 256, 64 will require 512, 96 will require 768, and last, 128 mhs will require 1024 gb/s.

3080 --> Bandwidth 760.3 GB/s, so in theory the maximum it will reach is 95.2 mhs, a little below 96 mhs which need 768 gb/s, now when they overclock the memory, that 760.3 gb/s increases, so lets do the math,  19 Gbps * 2 * 320 / 16 = 760 GB/s, 1188 * 8 * 2 = 19 gbps, now if we get that memory overclocked to 23gbps, which if we think about is 20% memory overclock, which is very possible, 23 Gbps * 2 * 320 / 16 = 920 GB/s, if we calculate 1024 / 128 = 8, so we need 8 gb/s to get 1 mhs on eth, so 920 / 8 = 115 mhs, so basically a 3080 need 115 x 8 = 920 gbps to get 115mhs. Is that impossible? no, but it needs 20% memory overclock. So 115mhs on eth is very much possible.

Now on the 3090, 1219 memory clock, so 1219 * 8 * 2 = 19.5 gbps and to find bandwidth, 19.5 Gbps * 2 * 384 / 16 = 936 GB/s, 936 / 8 = 117 mhs on eth default clocks,  + 20% memory overclock, 24 Gbps * 2 * 384 / 16 = 1152 GB/s, 1152 / 8 = 144 mhs on eth, possible yeah.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-gaming-performance-review-leaks-out (https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-gaming-performance-review-leaks-out)

3090 benchmarks vs 3080

games +10%
synthetic +20% (3d mark)


mining performance tends to reflect to synthetic performance in difference. if 3080 is 100mhs, then probably 3090 is 120-130mhs.

if 3090 will hash efficient enough @ 133.33mhs.. in a 3 card rig setup, will work like 4x 3080 @ 400mhs..

but i hope 120-130mhs is for 3080ti not for 3090, 3090 will be sweet for 150mhs.

if these asics are still getting bought, a x3 3090 rig and x4 3080 rig is close enough in density. also if you think about resell value and being able to mine other coins 3080 is already a winner and 3090 is reasonable enough versus ETH ASIC.  

500mhs eth asic is 4689$ at 750w

https://www.cryptominerbros.com/product/innosilicon-a10-pro-500mh-s-ethash-miner/ (https://www.cryptominerbros.com/product/innosilicon-a10-pro-500mh-s-ethash-miner/)

knowing these ASICs are getting bought, 3080 is a no brainer to purchase for mining eth ;)

I will not be surprised if ASIC trolls will come full force against 30xx series for mining LOL

That is possible, need 25% memory overclock, high end models with lots of cooling heat transfer pads for memory overclocking hehe,  on the 3080ti, that might come with the next micron gddrx6, 26gbps plus.


10% faster, 100% more money hehe, i'm out from that.

that's why i said, with mining if you ROI 50% of 3090 price you are already a winner.

pros
 - enough vram for upcoming games
 - 10% more gaming performance
 - no need to wait for 3080ti 20gb
 - at 50% ROI, it will look like you just bought 3080.

note: this is at 1 piece gpu, your personal gaming PC.  

Yeah true but if I had to decide to go mining which I won't, I would choose 3080 any day over anything at moment, personal opinion. The good thing about the 3090 is memory size and for gamers, sli, 2 x 3090 and play 8k games at 60 fps hehe, not sure how sli would work here, not sure how much support sli still have, few games must support that and now only the 3090 has it, much smaller market segment.

It's a little higher than supposed to be, probably stock overclocked version to get 122mhs.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-impressive-mining-performance-122-mhs-ethereum/

So far, this is what we have on ethash.

 3090   1499  /  117 = 12.8 usd per mhs
 3080     699  /    95 = 7.3 usd per mhs
 3070     499  /    56 = 8.9 usd per mhs
 5700     400  /    56 = 7.1 usd per mhs
 5600 xt 279  /    42 = 6.6 usd per mhs
 5500 xt 199  /    28 = 7.1 usd per mhs

from the link..

we'll see if my estimate 133.33mhs "efficient enough" tweak hits the spot...but still, it can probably do 150mhs at max tweak/power.

extra vram will consume extra power of course

at 133.33mhs x3 card rig will be 400mhs. comparable to x4 3080 rig, but much expensive. not worth the density vs x4 3080.

but if you think about it, it is still better purchase than "500mhs eth asic is 4689$ at 750w" hehe

Just don't fry your VRAM, tests for custom RXT30XX cards coming in few days(after RTX3090 review/test).

https://www.igorslab.de/en/simple-pad-mod-for-the-force-rtx-3080-founders-edition-slowers-the-gddr6x-temperature-by-a-whopping-8-degrees/

I do prefer the 3080 cause the gddrx6 on the 3090 is the same memory slightly binned, everything is better than asics because in the end has resale value and can mine other algos. ETH will soon halve the fees and mining rewards per block and then the 0.75 cents of usd per gpu today with the rx 570 will become 0.15 cents of usd or less per day per gpu, gpus are so expensive to a point mining already lost 50% of its income, if it was before 2016 you could buy a rx 5700 nowadays for $180, no joking, that is how used to be, gpus like the 3080 would be $499 and 3070 around $300.


Yeah, it seems nvidia and micron wants to clear inventory of bad binned gddrx6 memory then they will use better ones in few months.

If block rewards are cut that much mining is over.

Yeah, they have eips for both the fees and reduce block reward and if eth 2.0 is released then half reward will be for pos users and half for miners, hybrid.

that is why miners who will survive the next culling need x2 hashrate to stay alive. 1080ti to 3080 is an example.

those who have low hashrate card but do not have physical space to add more cards and those who do not have electrical space to add more load will be the first to go.

if eth is no longer profitable to mine, the eth mining reliant cards (amd) will be on life support.

3080 cards (nvidia) that will do well on other algo will do better than others hehe

Even if eth is around $1000, not sure if it will be enough to make up for, eth will have to be at least 1500 usd to be more or less profitable. Well on the positive side of things, 4gb gpus will be gone forever hehe but i dont think 4gb gpus comprise of 50% of total hashrate hehe, well there are 4gb asics that will die too and that is good.

You need cheap power, once eth is done theirs so much GPU power no matter how much power you have your margins will be very thin.  I have 135 gpus started in late 2016, 90 of the gpus are almost 4 years old.  Not sure what I'm going to do.  The bright side of gpus is they maintain their resale value.  Pretty amazing I can sell my 1070s for over $100 and I paid $340 for them over 3 years ago. 

yup. crypto mining is monetizing cheap power, plus gear management.

gear management involves "strategic upgrades" among others..

Yeah but you need to understand gpus prices are not like used to be, gtx 1070 used to be sold for $349, now $499. Yeah, if you buy a 3070 today for $499 and then gpus prices increase once again to a 4070 $699 then yes you will have a resale value better than when you bought and that will hold but pay attention that $349 you paid in 2016 is today $499, inflation and other things. A good example is when you could buy a 3 bedroom house for 500 dollars some decades ago and today that money is worth a 3070 ehhe

Yep, that's the speed of money. A dollar today is worth 2 in the future. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, or something like that haha. Mining is a good hedge against all the crypto's value going to poop.

Getting $100 for a video after 4 years might sound great now until you consider in 4 years it's 1/2 of what it is right now. As always it's good to diversify - own different types of wealth (property, equities, rentals) and even in mining own nVidia and AMD cards in a mix.

If you apply inflation, the 100$ resale value is around 30-50$ when that card is still brand new years ago. That's why for people who ROI their cards many times over, they just want those old card out of their precious space, so they can put the new cards in their place.

Diversify? Looks more like a portfolio to me, you add healthy foods in the mix because wherever you are going with all the poverty prevention, if that one and only body fails-game over.

Well to be able to play 'both" sides of the table you need to have troops or support on both sides. Being able to respond quickly to changes often leads to better outcomes. More options equals more chances to get to a point of success.

Exactly that is the reason i never stay 100% in cryptocoins, I always hold 20 to 30% in cash in case the price crashes and I have that money to buy more.

Some Updates of values in Ethash:

NbMiner = 95.32Mhs (1% Fee)
PhoenixMiner = 94.82Mhs (0.65% Fee)
TTminer = 89.88Mh (0% Fee)

Values in HiveOS:

CORE  50
MEM 1500
PL   215

hi all , any1 have equihash 192,7 hashrate for 3090 3080     ....cheers

That 3090 is really expensive. Would you guys be willing to part with $1400 to get your hands on RTX 3090? Don't you guys think mining with RTX 3080 would be much better $$$ wise?

From https://www.reddit.com/r/gpumining/comments/jasf43/nvidia_rtx_3080_founders_edition_mining/

Phoenix Miner - ETH
85 Mhs   0 core / 0 mem   TDP - 100%   320 Watt
91.5 Mhs   0 core / 500 mem   TDP - 75%   240 Watt
96.3 Mhs   0 core / 950 mem   TDP - 75%   240 Watt
95.4 Mhs   0 core / 950 mem   TDP - 70%   225 Watt
96.5 Mhs   50 core / 950 mem   TDP - 75%   240 Watt
96.5 Mhs   100 core / 950 mem   TDP - 75%   240 Watt

*Note*
1000 Mhz Memory Clock crashes the system.
Pushing TDP below 70%, the core clocks will fluctuate too much, bouncing between 300mhz up to 1700mhz.


T-Rex Miner - KAWPoW
43.8 Mhs   0 core / 0 mem   TDP - 100%   320 Watt
41.8 Mhs   0 core / 0 mem   TDP - 75%   240 Watt
43.7 Mhs   100 core / 0 mem   TDP - 80%   255 Watt
44.6 Mhs   100 core / 200 mem   TDP - 80%   255 Watt


T-Rex Miner - Zcoin - MTP
6.41 Mhs   0 core / 0 mem   TDP - 100%   320 Watt
4.97 Mhs   0 core / 0 mem   TDP - 75%   240 Watt
5.3 Mhs   0 core / 0 mem   TDP - 80%   255 Watt
5.56 Mhs   100 core / 0 mem   TDP - 80%   255 Watt
5.55 Mhs   100 core / 200 mem   TDP - 80%   255 Watt


Gminer - Zhash
153.9 Sols   0 core / 0 mem   TDP - 100%   320 Watt
130.5 Sols   100 core / 0 mem   TDP - 80%   255 Watt
130.7 Sols   100 core / 200 mem   TDP - 80%   255 Watt


Gminer - Cuckatoo32
0.91 G/s   0 core / 0 mem   TDP - 100%   320 Watt
0.83 G/s   0 core / 0 mem   TDP - 80%   255 Watt
0.84 G/s   100 core / 0 mem   TDP - 80%   255 Watt
0.87 G/s   100 core / 200 mem   TDP - 80%   255 Watt


Gminer - Aion - Equihash (210,9)
515 Sols   0 core / 0 mem   TDP - 100%   320 Watt
480 Sols   0 core / 0 mem   TDP - 80%   255 Watt
483 Sols   100 core / 0 mem   TDP - 80%   255 Watt
487 Sols   100 core / 200 mem   TDP - 80%   255 Watt


Gminer - Beam - BeamHashIII
47.7 Sols   0 core / 0 mem   TDP - 100%   320 Watt
43.4 Sols   0 core / 0 mem   TDP - 80%   255 Watt
44.1 Sols   100 core / 0 mem   TDP - 80%   255 Watt
44.7 Sols   100 core / 200 mem   TDP - 80%   255 Watt
45.4 Sols   100 core / 300 mem   TDP - 80%   255 Watt


Gminer - Beam - BeamHashIII
15.65 G/s   0 core / 0 mem   TDP - 100%   320 Watt
14.64 G/s   0 core / 0 mem   TDP - 80%   255 Watt
14.9 G/s   100 core / 0 mem   TDP - 80%   255 Watt
14.88 G/s   100 core / 200 mem   TDP - 80%   255 Watt

@ metroid

you double post the beamhashIII

anyway it seems 3080 is basically around x2 of 1080ti..as usual best settings are in the 70%-80% tdp.

3080 is the clear successor of 1080ti.

The original poster did it, it seems both are somehow different, might have been a different version of beam.

chill out guys 3000 series debate heats up  ;D

3090 doesnt make sense to buy for mining, even 3080/3070

at this point and future to come, efficiency less impact for profit gpu mining cause we are in bull run for next 1-2 years,

build up cheaper gpu for bucks more sense to me, rather than buying new cards with inflated price only for efficiency

Two 5700xt hashes 108Mhs with 230w to 250w power consumption
Three 5600xt hashes 114Mhs with 255 to 270w power consumption

There's no big difference in terms of efficiency, at least in my opinion
Maybe the new navi cards will increase this efficiency

Most Nvidia cards I used to reduce TDP to 60% without any decrease in hash, but this 3080 looks very hungry power

In my country it's almost impossible to get one, there's no cards to buy, even the 3090 are out of stock

Right now, I would not touch any rtx 3080 at all, too many issues but as soon as the issues are fixed then I will think about buying one. The good thing about the 3080 is that you get a good performance without the need to change the bios, flashing bios can be very painful, I never bricked any but is better if you can avoid that. Also for management 1 card is better than 2 cards, in the long run running systems with 1 card the uptime is a lot better than running with 2 cards, so the uptime the 1 card instead of 2 provides pay off the electricity, I mean, take for example a system with 6 gpus and then a system with 12 gpus. The uptime a system with 6 gpus will be at least 5% more than the one with 12 gpus, also the more density it gives the less you need to spend with a second system, example, motherboards, memory rams, motherboard and so on. It may be unnoticeable for some people but every time a system restarts you lose from 1 to 10 minutes and sometimes you lose a lot more than that, so if a system restarted 4 times per day then you may have lost almost 1 hour and that is a lot. Well it is something to think about.

if i could find a 3080 blower style i would buy two or three. say 3 for 2000 or 2100.

nvidia tend to run more stable.

 I have two empty boards. a six slot  and an eight slot.

14/2 = 7 slots doing 85 mh = almost 600 mh. 

if i use 5700 xt we are doing 7 x 50 = 350 mh.

a lot more hash in the same spot more stable.

cross post this from another 3080 thread...on the bigger scheme of things.


anyway what i would like to know about 3080's is this...gamers run at 100% tdp (the issues is here) since it is all about fps, but miners run at 70-80% tdp, at 70-80% tdp are these cards stable?...it seems stable enough.

New Update miner tests:

Nbminer=93.79Mhs (Fee 1%)
Phoenixminer=93.3Mhs (Fee 0.65%)
Etherminer=92.72 Mhs (Fee 0%)
All : Core 0 Mem 1200 PL 215


It seems that best miner for Ethash now is Etherminer... If you are not able to run it, it is because you need to modify it and build it another time. If someone need it contact me and I send it. For a big Rigs it is a big quantity of has if we count the time that takes the change and the return of the DevFee.

I can arrive to 100Mhs but I prefer to be conservative:
https://ibb.co/4TdjHHp

i think 3060 and 3070 will be favourite card for miners. ofcourse lets see what surprise AMD has for us......

rtx 3070 was promised to be shown to us in November 2020. November is already ending, and there is still not a single leak about the Ethereum hashrate.
I am sure that these video cards have already been produced and are already on their way to various stores around the world.

Since when is November ending?
On my side of the planet it’s not arrived yet.

Official sales of the 3070 should begin in 7-8 days. These video cards are already in warehouses in stores.
I read in the news today in the news that on October 30 stores will start selling these video cards.

The 3070 will be the greatest xx70 failure of all time to date. People will prefer to buy a 3060ti or a 3080 than the 3070 hehe

https://www.proshop.de/RTX-30series-overview
Are you sure you can buy the 3070?
They will be snapped up by bots and store employees.
A friend bought 10 RTX 3080 at $ 1000 apiece. He uses 6 pieces for mining, and he sold 4 pieces at $ 1,500 apiece within 2 days. Profit :)

I hope he sells the other ones he has because from the last leak, rx 6800xt is as fast as 3080. Nobody will pay more than 1000 usd for it in few days.

nvidia 3080 price ended in $1000 or more, not around $800. competition is good, i have no problem switching back to AMD cards once i see good hashrates.

10 RTX 3080s? Isn't that ½ of what nVidia produced in the first batch? I kid I kid, it's a quarter.

Sometimes it's just easier to make money flipping the cards instead of flipping the bits. I made more money selling power supplies and 4 year old hardware than I did mining for about 4 months. I'm surprised the DeFi thing lasted as long as it did.

BTC broke $13K, maybe ETH will go for a 2nd run. It's back over $400 but hashrate is up 50% from 3 months ago.

DEFI fees made a lot of people start mining again and then the same DEFI fees are making and made many to leave mining again hehe

People mining eth are hanging in there for now because no eips that reduce eth mining reward got through yet.

Do you have data on this leak? After all, it can be a good advertising move from AMD.
If new AMD video cards have a high hash rate and the same energy consumption, then there will be very few of these video cards in stores.

For example, I buy 2 pieces of 5600 xt:
80 mh  $ 680 and 170 watts of consumption.
Will the new cards be better?

There's a lot of sites talking about this leak
You can check here: https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt-big-navi-gpu-3dmark-benchmarks-leaked/

https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/AMD-Radeon-RX-6800-XT-3DMark-Benchmarks-Leak-Vs-RTX-3080-and-RTX-2080-Ti-1030x282.png

AMD cards usually are better to mine ETH and will probably be more efficient than 3080 doing 100mhs with 250w

Thanks. Today I bought video cards in a large store(One of the 3 largest stores in Russia) and asked the sellers about the RTX 3070. In a week the sales should start, but there are no video cards in the central warehouse.The order Manager told me that.
I was offered to buy RTX 3090 for $ 2617 ;D :D

My Gigabyte 3080 drops hashing after mining for a minute or two.

Tried changing risers and power connectors to no avail.

I have Silverstone Platinum PSU 1200 W.

The hashrate drops on both everything stock and TDP at 80 or 70 or any other value as well.

I have the same issue as you, with an RTX 3080 Gigabyte Eagle OC. Starts out at 88Mh, slowly dropping to 77Mh.
I installed the GPU straight on the motherboard. I noticed that the reason for this is that the core clock is dropping automatically to around 1000Mhz for some reason.
Also, total power consumption according to Phoenix miner is around 200W. (same thing with Claymore btw)

Did you find a solution for this problem? Thanks

it's thermal throttling the GPU on memory intensive algos.  Try opening gpu-z and running ethash.  when the core frequency drops it would show perfcap as 'Thrm'.
Something is getting quite hot on that GPU either the VRM or GDDR6X modules.

okay there is no solution. the caps are a poor design and they cause memory to overheat.

what can you do?

downclock

and jack the fan.

set fan to 85%
set tdp to 65
set ram freq just under stock
set core to 900

you will get about 80mh but power use should be a lot lower. 175 watts

if you can manage to blow air with a fan on the caps in question do so.

come back and let us know what these settings do.


once cards are in stock say jan or feb turn it back for a rma as the new ones should have better caps.

Not worth the hassle, what is the point of buying a gpu that you can't use it fully? terrible job, no good cooling, gpu won't last long, so forget, reason you people need to wait reviews and see how thermal tests fare.

which caps are you talking about?  Why would the caps only get hot while mining memory intensive workloads?
The card doesn't throttle on benchmarks even while hitting core temps of 70+

If you look at gamers nexus tear down of the gigabyte eagle oc model, there are a couple of memory thermal pads that are not making full contact. The pads also lookreally thick.

Have you considered/tried removing the cooler and replacing the pads?

memory frequency the higher it is the more it stresses the cap designed to filter noise etc. noise make heat.

so yeah better thermal pads help somewhat but multiple cap designs tweaks to multiple frequency points will help.  since setting ram to a lower frequency does not ruin warranty do it. and the gear will be better.

here is a link

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5144362.msg55556493#msg55556493


it should help you understand the safest temporary fix for a shit card like the gigabyte is clock the ram lower

 and rma in jan  or whenever they fix the cap patterns

Yeah I knew about these cap issue but internet mentioned they weren't as bad as originally thought they would be.
Anyways I've ordered some thermal pads will see.  My plan was put some near the memory chips are between the backplate and pcb.  Can check if the caps could be given some thermal padding too.

Usually first time buyers are guinea pigs anyway. No wonder why there are too many issues.

Hi guys,

I have the same problem here. Im using a Gigabyte RTX 3080 Gaming OC.

The only settings that I dont get a Thermal Throttling is: TDP - 52%; Mems: -500; Core -500; Fans - 90%, this give me 72 MH/s at 190W.

It took me days to find this thread and finally discover why my RTX 3080 dont generate the 100 MH/s.

Anyone has found a solution that doesnt involve voiding the warranty? Because I cannot disassambly the cooler without voiding the warranty (at least here in my country).

Also, I have a friend with a Asus RTX 3080 TUF OC with the same problem.

Never ever go cheap with cards and expect wonders... If you cant disassemble the crap coolers and lower the clocks is no option anymore, increase the fan speed further and/or use external 3000(+) high pressure fans in addition (like the Noctua Industrial). But this will hurt the lifespan of the original fans even more. So expect to replace them in the near future.

Go cheap? Its a bloody RTX 3080 card, even the entry level RTX 3080 is far cry from cheap, It SHOULD work properly. I dont really care about the lifespan of the fans, since this card has a 4 year warranty here.

I haven't watched all of hardware unboxed videos to see their reviews on this specific Gigabyte model but if you're dropping TDP down to 1/2 and lowering the clocks across the board you're basically only using 1/2 the card. I would just sell the card locally for a nice markup and find a different model of card or just buy the crypto directly. The Gigabyte doesn't have mixed caps so it was probably going to have issues right off the bat.

good point 3090 is waste even for gamer, maybe for video editing 8k usefull, no choice here

tahiti card is the first amd compute card, and beastly on double precision performance 1/4 ratio from single precision

 is the first gpu widely consume by miner and scientic

A friend got the Asus RTX 3080 TUF OC with the fancy MLCC caps and has the same problem. I dont think that is a cap issue, Gigabyte uses the 470u caps instead of the 220u caps (ZOTAC like), more than the double specified by nvidia.

It`s revolting that they have done something like that.

my evga arrived today. mixed caps.

dead solid at 94.5mh

230 watts no issues.

the asus tuf has one cap not mixed.


what a cap does you would realize the problem is

470u vs 220u

means the 470u filters lower frequency better.

and the 220u filters higher frequency better.

so if you have one or the other you miss a section of frequency noise which cause more heat.

If you have both sizes like the evga has it works on both sets of frequencies which means less heat on the ram.

every model with all caps the same sucks

and models like evga with both caps work better.

Since soldering new caps is next to impossible for most people putting in really good thermal pads will help
somewhat.

But don’t  buy a 3080 unless it has mixed caps.

Unfortunately I would like to add a data point to this.  I also tried with a TUF 3080 which has all MLCC caps.
https://imgur.com/a/UErgjR2

It throttled when the fan were turned down below 50% and temperatures were allowed to rise then I switched it to auto again and saw the core frequency rise back and Thrm perfcap move to Idle.

This feels like the GDDR6X modules getting way hotter and throttling the GPU core rather than a cap issue.  It might not be able to drop to lower power state though in which I would expect the GDDR6X clocks to drop as well.
The gigabyte card too was able to maintain hashrate to larger extent once the fans were set to 100%.

@joseph32 the TUF is $699 MSRP and implemented a separate heatsink for memory modules.  Gigabyte Gaming OC card is $749 MSRP.  Go figure.

As Phil noted this is a case where mixed caps seems to filter multiple frequencies so that the heat buildup does get to extremes (see futher back in the thread for a chart he linked). Both the Asus and Gigabyte are thus bad models to use for mining because they're going with a single cap type. Obviously nVidia will remedy this with Rev 2 cards from AIB just like Asus had to RMA all those bad RX 5700 XTs that made poor thermal contact. Honestly, this is all nVidia's desire to say they were first to market even if it was a paper launch. Their Founders Editions had 6+ months to test out configs that worked and it looks like AIBs got screwed by having to rush to production.

Sometimes you get lucky buying the first batch because you might get better binned VRAM or higher binned chips (whereas lower yield chips would be saved for some cut-down refresh card). Sometimes you get screwed by meeting design defects and get to be the guinea pig. In this I couldn't even be a guinea pig because I could get my hands on one.

It still games well though as no game is going to run a constant 300w TDP through it. If you want the hashes, sell the card for a profit and just pick up a Founders edition. Phil sitting on 94MH/s sounds decent.

In mining you need "temperature space" where the area is cool enough to run those 3080's, increasing fan speed of those cards are temporary fix or a minor fix.

Just like you need to have "electrical space" where you can pull enough amps from your circuit for mining to be worth your time.

Just like you need "dirt space" where you don't have to clean your cards.. like every week hehe

Just like "noise space" where you can still function as a normal human away from mining.

Just like "plain space" where you have enough room for those cards.

second evga is in.

doing 535 watts on kwatt meter

and about 185 mh

settings on simple miner are

core    -100
ram    1500
watts    230

fans 65%
temp 70

one card may want tweaking

I have trouble getting my head around this explanation. The caps issue had to do with the cards being unstable when it boosted to high clocks - a remedy was to reduce the max clock speed.

Igorslab has done a test and showed high memory temps on the FE. The slowdown  in hashrates is very similar to my sapphire rx5700 when the memory temp reaches 104-106C.
It wouldn't surprise me if the AIB models that have this hashrate drop issue cheaped out on thermal pad quality.

Perhaps the reason why you are not seeing hashrate drops on higher end, mixed cap models is because they didn't cheap out on the memory cooling.

Well the original idea first brought out was  mixed caps allow for filtering more noise on more frequencies not my idea.  My thread had all the links.  others have done some teardowns and added high quality  thermal pads. with some decent results. later not first.

So  proper testing is get 3 shitty gpus  models with one cap style

get 3 good gpus models with mixed cap style

do teardown on all six pull all thermal pads on all six.

run all six at lowest power settings and low core setting and low ram setting.


then measure ram memory temps on all six.

if they all over heat equally then it is not mixed caps

After reading newer evidence from guys like you about pads and older evidence from the links in my thread

 I suspect caps and pads are the issue.  with a third possibility that the actual ram itself could be better quality in the evgas I use.

Time will tell and it will get teased out , but I am thinking the buying mixed capped evga 3080's seems like best solution short term.

yeah can't go wrong with evga.

You should get these (http://novatech.co.uk/products/gigabyte-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-turbo-24gb-gddr6x-graphics-card/gv-n3090turbo-24gd.html) instead  ;D

It might not be just cheapo thermal pads but can also be that the Gigabyte in particular is using flat backplate with no thermal pads between the backside of pcb and the memory gets hotter there on GDDR6/6X modules?

so far the only 3080's that have been reported as fairly good are the avgas and asus rog

both have proper cap mix so no crashing at high ram settings and maybe proper thermal pads.

So no over heating.  some screen shots pretty good numbers one card seems better then the other .

moboard is an old z170 with 4gb ram a usb stick and 4400t cpu.

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What I am suggesting is I do have a 3080 TUF which isn't using mix caps but all MLCC and doesn't throttle so one example where it doesn't explain why throttling would be cause of one type of caps.
Memory cooling on other hand is unknown both because of pads and also because we don't have any reporting for GDDR6X temperatures.  Also the backplate is non vented for the gigabyte card.  The only other card that I am aware of using SP caps only is Zotac.

Update:
Using TDP at 55%; Mems at -2000/Core -300 (Aorus engine); Coolers at 90% - 79MH/s ~202W

I dont want to jinx your card, but mine started just like yours. Try it with +0 at memories and see if you get a stable MH/s rate.

Can you check the caps behind the core.  Is yours one with all MLCC caps?

https://s12.directupload.net/images/201120/temp/93runhft.jpg (https://www.directupload.net/file/d/6008/93runhft_jpg.htm)

seems stable.

2080 and 3080

0,725V 1320 Mhz Core to reduce the overall temperatur.

Waiting for my waterblock to reduce it further.
RAM + 1000 gives >97 MHs ETH, but lowers to 96 by time (and rising temp)

how hot is the memory running if you push it to +1000 mem? Seems kinda high.

How to read out the RAM Temp?

Great question... that info they only have it some group people... For example Igorslab hat diese Sotfware to read it... He show a Pixe Photo of that information

Yeah my evga are solid so far.

I am getting a third one.  This is their 769 price model.

I played around with an added 120mm fan I will photo it later.

The fan seems to add more mhs I do more like 190mhs for the two vs 185mhs.

My back plates are vented.

Room temp is 30c or 84f

I am headless running on this gear. via simplemining os.

but I just boosted fans from 71% to 81%

I was hashing 188 for 2 like 94 each.

lets see if the fan boost to 81% helps

hmm 192.12mhs I will post back.

I will get some photos today or tomorrow.

This is what it has been for me for both EVGAs.  1st is an FTW3 and other one is an XC3.  Even an ASUS TUF one was doing fine.  Only had issue with Gigabyte one.

3080 power at wall with 0,725?

@Agente

Air Cooled is 230 Watt for 95 MH/s.



Now running with Waterblock....

1300 Mhz / 0.737V (Temp 34 degrees)

RAM   MH/s  Watt     1MH/s = Watt

+ 0 = 87.3   206           2.36
250 = 90      210           2,33
500 = 92.5  214,5         2,31
750 = 95     217.5         2,28
1000= 97.4  220           2,26


Lowering the core more doesnt bring any benefit. All those shaders need power...

Negative core values for more power savings.  Hash isn't impacted below certain core 1150-1200 is more than enough.

I'm getting ~98Mh/s@223W with a Asus RTX 3080 TUF Gaming. There hasn't been any problems with hashrate dropping whatsoever but have only run it for 20 minutes.

These cards are pretty darn good, just about as efficient as the 5700 XT but basically impossible to buy and with a heftier pricetag.

https://ibb.co/HKCTBPP

Have you tried lowering mv? 718 -> https://youtu.be/RSyAX_Z4-6o

No, i tried 1100Mhz Core and it gave 0-1 Watt. Might try this weekend. thx for the video.

@BitBlitzer we have the same 3080.

I am using RTX 3080 from Palit, they have mixed caps and been mining stable,
I have it setup mining 101Mh/s at 199,4W (54% power limit), can provide proof if interested

I dont speak russian (hope that was russian :) ) but how did he reach 168 watts when you guys need 200+ watts?

if that card can do 95+ mhash with 170 watts that would be awesome......

Which model is that?

Palit Gamerock

199,4W is nowhere near 54% power limit.  Palit game rock is 320w at 100%.  54% would put it at 173w.  then again at 54% power limit I don't think it would hash at 101 MHs.

Could you attach the screenshot for miner and gpu-z?

Don't know how to upload images to this website so here is the link: https://ibb(.)co/QPTfR4b
https://ibb.co/QPTfR4b
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I have this on my daily PC, not barebones W10 optimized for mining.
Please note that I have such speeds when I close all other GPU intensive processes like chrome or vlc,
when I am watching youtube it dips to 90-95MH/s.

What is your core and memory frequency?

Very good numbers but would be better to measure at the wall to be sure how much the card draws.

Yeah that gpu is on power limit as perfcaf.  you'd have core clocks drop when watching something intensive. Seems like a pretty efficient card you got there.  What are the core and memory clocks?

Coreclock is set to -500 in Afterburner, that comes to 1150-1200, Memory is +1410 in Afterburner which comes to 21,8GHz.
So far it hasn't crashed once (even while OC-ing), I managed to overclock to Afterburner max point of +1500 (22GHz) with no gain in performance for this wattage. With more power it goes higher but I do not have free electricity so I found its performance sweet spot to be 101-103 at 200W.

Very nice card you have there. What temps and fan speeds?

54C at 50% fan

I'm running a 3070 in SMOS, 58.5 MH/s at 120 watts.  We will see how stable it is.

3060 Ti does 61 Mh/s 120w

at $400, no need to bios mod it, seems a winner to me, needs to undervolt a little more to be worth, under 100 watts at least and price needs to be a little lower too, around $329.

$400 is ok , but not sure if there are as many in stock . Another win if it's added to Cyperpunk RT requirement

I have an ASUS TUF RTX 3080 in my gaming rig. I have tested to mine Ethereum at 97 MHs @ 220 W. No problems there, but the temperature is like 47-50C, but the fans are running at 75%. Why are the temps so low? But I think they arn't..?

My RTX 2080 Ti showed like 65-70C @ 60 MHs.

Anyone else noticed this, seems like the card is getting hotter than it shows? I assume the VRAM is getting hot as hell? :) No temp for VRAM sadly..?

ASUS TUF has the best cooling to date in all 3080, asus did a good job on it, the memory is covered too, the only issue now is the capacitor.

OK, so  I returned my Gigabyte Eagle OC because it had a reduced hashrate.
Since I couldn't get any other card I was forced getting a Gigabyte Vision OC 3080 (it's for my gaming rig)

It seems that unfortunately this one also has the same problem as the Eagle and Gaming variant. As a matter of fact I think it's the exact same card as the Gaming OC except the design of the cooler.

So don't buy any Gigabyte cards if you plan on using them for mining.

In a week or so I expect to receive EVGA XC3 Ultra cards. Hope I will have better luck with them!

Yeah all gigabyte 3080 has issues on mining.

I have 2 evga third one comes on weds next week.  I have

thehttps://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=10G-P5-3885-KR

EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 ULTRA GAMING, 10G-P5-3885-KR, 10GB GDDR6X, iCX3 Cooling, ARGB LED, Metal Backplate

P/N: 10G-P5-3885-KR

so far they work great

92-95 mhs each steady at about 240 watts 2 card rig runs 184-190 mhs

I have a lot of these 8 slot mobos

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Onda-B250-D8P-D4-Ver-1-00-12-GPU-Mining-Motherboard/143840755013?


I would love six rigs with 4 cards each

 24 x  95 = 2.28 gh of hash

And how much have you paid for each one of them? So far EVGA and MSI seem okay for mining.

I have one of these as well. I replaced the front thermal pads with a $8 2mm thermal pad from Amazon. Absolutely 0 issues since then and Im up at 93 mh/s at 210 watts.

Gigabyte cheaped out and used a very slimey thermal pad for the man pads

Yes, I know about the thermal pad solution but that would void the warranty

Did anybody test all the different BIOS versions *for RTX 3080* and figure out which one is the best for mining?

Actually interested on this one too. Quiet BIOS possibly saves more power with ETH? Or is this just for the fan curves?

I've got an update regarding the Gigabyte Vision OC:

I managed to get a decent hashrate with it:

~96 Mh/s @ 224W
PL 61
core +90
mem +1000
Fan 75

core actually fluctuates between 1200 -1400Mhz
GPU temp (according to MSI afterburner) 51c in a closed case and @ 21c ambient temp

818 each after all coupons with  3 months to pay 0 %

they list on the evga website at 769 plus tax which for me would be  822.83 - 41 = 781.83 with 3 months to pay 0%

so the mark up was  36-37 a card.  first two have been in hand for 11 days and earned about 185 x 0.03 x 11 = 61 dollars before power.  I have a very temporary free power deal for these cards

 so far 3 x 37 = 111 - 61 = 50 bucks over cost from evga direct.  I get 3rd card on weds So by dec 7 or 8 the premium will be paid off.

I think I am getting them direct from evga in late December.



anyone want my 1080ti hybrid's ?  ;D

 we have

 8 msi/corsair 1080ti's

2 evga          1080ti's

2 air cooled blower   1080ti's

Plan is to sell all the 1080ti's

and 2 or 3 evga 1660ti's

with 1 evga 1660

replace with 3080's

Not bad, the way things are, hard to get any 3080 below $800.

Yeah I was happy to get them at the price I paid.

All of my gpus will be fully paid off some time this december.

I have around 60 cards. Most are purchased after July 1 this year and under warranty.  Free power ends in december. And i pocket 25% of the coin mined vs 100%.  But gear is all paid off.

So the 25% is profit.

MSI gaming trio X .

88mhs at 200W . Can’t seem to get anything higher . It’s like the card refuses to go above 200W

What are ur gaming x trio results ?

Anyone here using EVGA XC3 Black? (that model without backplate)
https://br.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P5-3751-KR

I found one at good price, and I'm thinking to buy, just want to know if this card is good and can reach 100Mhs?
I don't want to buy and be on sub 90mhs

I have this one. 3 of them

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=10G-P5-3885-KR


solid 94-95 at 220 watts

I got one of these on the way here, should have it Thursday.

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=24G-P5-3975-KR

I'll post results here once I've done some tests on it over the weekend.

Thank you again philip, I'm out of merits to give to you  :D

I'm waiting anxious to test this 3080, it's almost the same version you have, but mine doesn't have backplate (there's a difference of USD 100, so I prefer to stick with the cheapest)
I'll post on your thread after the tests
At least 94 Mhs is good for me, I just don't want that cards that are doing 88Mhs

I have a fantastic 3060ti MSI TrioX wich gives 63.5mhs@PL 55%, 130W, core -502, mem + 1400 : fan 45%, core temp 48

I heard that GDDR6X from 3080 runs too hot when pushing memory OC high like I did for my little 3060ti
Is it the case ?

How can we know the mem temp ?

You know mem temp is too high when fans start spinning like hell even when the temp of the core is low.. then hash drops too

3060 ti-s are great

Yeah it is for sure.
Fan spinning is regulated from core temp via afterburner, so how can they spin very high if core is low / normal ?

Like this, if you want to know how to do it then contact STSMiner for youtube link of that video, I forgot the link.

The cards also have their own curves which can not be controlled with AB. NVIDIAs still have temp sensor on memory - just not showing public - so when mem temps get too high, fans are maxed out.

Yeah, 3xxx series have because if not then memory would be toasted. It's sad nvidia went that path.

Very instructive, thanks !
So I assume if my fans never get maxxed out, my memory temps are 'considered' fine ?

The RTX 3060 Ti and the RTX 3070 use the older GDDR6 memory, so they don't get as hot and is not an issue 99.98% of the time.

The higher spec'd cards use the GDDR6X memory (Double Rate) and need more power to drive them, this is why these RTX 3080 / 90 cards get hot.

Yeah, I got that.
Even a highly cooled custom card like MSI Supprim 3080 would get too hot on mem temps ?

Yes, if overclocked too much and not in a well ventilated case.
Even some of the cards that have water blocks fitted are still having this overheat issue on the memory chips.

Wowww.. It's damn serious !
Thanks for the info

I assume the problem will be worse for next 3080Ti / 3070TI

I have a 3060ti and I successfully set a custom fan curve in AB. You need to go to settings, fans, then activate custum fan curve, edit and accept, then hit the edit symbol left to the fan speed control...then the whole fan speed control gets a blue frame...then custom fan is activated. the blue frame is the key !

It´s a Gigabyte Aorus and I´ll send it back. It sais 59 mhash @ 120 W but out of the wall it´s 140w, so I think Gigabyte is not that effective than other brands :(
I´ll try a ASUS TUF card next....I use it for gaming too so I need a 3 fan well cooled silent card.

But damn....cards are sold out everywhere...wtf....

140w is the default for 3060ti, yeah there are better and worse bins, it all depends on your luck, usually top cards like asus strix selects better bins for it and bad bins for low end gpus but they will cost a lot more just like cpu bins, a ryzen 5 5600 bin could have been a 5900 or even a 5800 but in the end silicon made to be just a 5600. Example, Sapphire top rx 580 8gb cards had only good bins in both ways, memory and core, reason hardly malfunctions, 580 4gb had lower quality bins, reason it easily malfunction, rx 570 is even worse and so on.

You trolls need to accept what you trolls pay for, getting a lower end series model and expect to be high end is just what women does to men, they think they are a 9 and truth is they most are a 4, delusion everywhere, yeah, just like women, you can be lucky and get a good one.

So if you could get any cards now, which ones would you get? 3080, 3070, 3060 ti? And which brands?

Also, if the card is being used as the display card it will hamper the card with mining.
I plugged the card (RTX 3090) into a monitor for this test and without changing my overclock settings that I have set for mining ETH.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/573542115477553173/791289292399312936/unknown.png

The mining speed dropped from 121Mh/s to 92 - 97Mh/s compared to the speed below with the RTX 2080 (top one) being used as the display card.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/573542115477553173/791289410443411476/All_GPUS_2020-11-24.png

Maybe try using the onboard display or another GPU card as the display card and try your clock settings / fine tuning again.

I can totally agree that 3080 and 3090 have cooling issues with standard GPU fan.
My 3090 was not able to push more than 90 MH/s (after decreasing from 110MH/s) because it was thermal throttling (gou-z perfcap reason)

I just create a Backplate cooler with 2 12cm fan I "glued" on the Backplate.
Now my GPU is much cooler in game and I can mine at 112 MH/s +500 mem (10000 Mhz mem) and stock core for 286W reported in miner.

It's great.

Also Red Panda Miner has a video were he add thermal pads on the Backplate to get rid of the thermal throttling on his 3080.

Thats simple enough to try . Is one of ur fans shooting air on the poscaps or both are on the backplate cover ?

Should post a pic for anyone who wants to give it a try

This is the rig with the RTX 3090 on the left.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591072928683130892/775569023718260755/unknown.png

Added two fans to push cold air at the card to keep it cool, one is cooling the back plate, and the other one on the frame is pushing air at the card.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429217500983459850/791475248700457000/unknown.png

Thanks for sharing the pics . Can’t do that inside my pc case tho .

U could try to remove one of the fans and leave the other to see how each affects the card .

If I remove one of the fans or both, the hash rate drops (1 - 2Mh/s) because the memory gets hot, this is why these fans are there as shown in that picture.

Current speed of the card.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/426505887188910082/791515057414471740/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/426505887188910082/791515517256597514/unknown.png

Well i have the side fan kind of setup already since i have those 3 fans in front of my cas and the middle one is close to the card. Not as close as your’s but close enough and it’s a pressure fan .

Guess all thats left for me to do is try to somehow put one that shoots on the back plate. I’ll give that a try just to see if its really a thermal issue or not .

I’d put my pc case in the garage were its 5c but i don’t have a long enough internet cable , or do i ......

do you have a video or picture whic pads needs to replace ?
and could you give alink of new pads?

I don't think it was thermal pad contacts. See my card. It might be poor quality thermal pads.  The other issue with gigabyte card is they don't use vented backplate or have thermal pads on backside of the card
https://imgur.com/Bslnlf9

So i tried ur setup but in my pc case . Got a fan for the backplate and one on the side . Card fans were running a bit lower so 40% instead of 70 to keep the card under 50c .

Tried it with card fans at 90% .

Still stuck at 88-89 mhs .

Really don’t think my trio x as thermal issues .

Flash suprim bios, it's a power throttle for the trio x

My system has now changed since I last posted here.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/573542115477553173/792030791165018112/unknown.png

Now have the following setup, added another RTX 3090 card and moved things around and using fans to keep the back of the cards cool.

New card added EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 Ultra.

2x 1070 Ti's taken out of the system.

Zotac RTX 3090 Trinity moved to the far right.

Not sure if there is a bug in MSI AfterBurner 4.6.3 Beta 4 yet or it's a VBIOS issue, but I need to set the Power Limit to 102% to get the EVGA card to mine at 120Mh/s.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/573542115477553173/792012674997288980/unknown.png

Both cards pull 300 watts each here.

yeah i do this with my three 3080 gpus

No proof (picture), didn't happen.

Just seen an video in another thread.....  ;D

Hmmm don’t know if i’m comfortable putting a diff bios on the vid card . I never done it before .

Isint it easy to brick ur card when doing that ?

Whats the maximum hashrate people have gotten on the trio x ?

for this gpu to be worthwhile, it had to be 170 mhs or more, nvidia could have done it, decided not to.

I see you have RTX 3080. I have bought my first RTX 3080.
I use HiveOS latest version with NVIDIA driver 455. Could you tell me your oc setting please ?
The hashrate isnt stable. It changes al lthe time. Do you have any idea about it ?


98.97 MH/s, 98,88 MH/s, 98.94 MH/s,CORE -502, MEM 2300, PL 230
99.21 MH/s, 99,07 MH/s, 99,11 MH/s, CORE -502, MEM 2500, PL 230
99.58 MH/s, 99.24 MH/s, 99.05 MH/s, CORE -502, MEM 2450, PL 230
99.33 MH/s, 99.26 MH/s, 99.19MH/s, CORE -502, MEM 2400, PL 230
99.33 MH/s, 99.18 MH/s, 99.11 MH/s, CORE -502, MEM 2350, PL 230

I have one on my test rig

I will post screen shots of simple miner in a bit

core 100
memory 1400
power 220
temp 65
fan 71

power use is way too high for that hash ,3060ti and 5700 are better

@philipma1957,

Nice video !!

Other post above here updated ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji4k3iJgIho
you tube video above

below older setup


here is the 3080 running on the other test rig. I did this first before the video was shot.
281 watts to do 94 mh but the psu is bronze and that counts whole mobo

https://i.imgur.com/8ImymTb.jpg

same evga 3080 and same fan as the video
https://i.imgur.com/i4bP2Cb.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KW34zfr.jpg

What about memory temps on 3090 ?
I heard GDDR6X warms a lot.

Maybe mining an other algo less mem intensive would be better for 'memory life' ?

I have a problem with running 2 3060ti on a b250 mbo, with the newest driver the rig works for a random time between 2 to 8 hours then bsod and when it restarts the gpus are not recognized by the system until full shutdown, i set gen1 in the mbo 4g decoding and even c3 state off, blue screen is the nvidia driver dll, tried ddu a few times and reinstall, tried the next lower version driver, changed to a different mbo cpu ram setup..nothing seems to help. I built around 10 amd rigs and i could set them up in a day or two, this thing im trying for a week now. Thanks in advance

nvidia driver might be the issue. There is a hotfix on nvidia website.

The 3090 line are the top hashers but not having the best cost to hash ratio of the 3000rtx series cards.
That belongs to the 3060ti hashing at 66mh/s at 125watts which is even better than the 5700xt cards were doing.
Those were the king of hashrate for a while until these ti cards came along.
Maybe the 3080ti will do 170mh/s mark you are saying to be worth it to mine with. As they were announced to be between the 3090 and the 3080 in performance but not costing as much for the 3090 at a price tag of $1499 MSRP.
https://www.techradar.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090

66mhs@125W ? oO
I can do nothing more than 63mhs@130W (PL 55%) with my 3060ti TrioX

3060ti at 66.. how many secs?  ;D
In the real world 62

The 3080ti will have a 320-bit memory bus like the 3080.. So expect similar hash rates to 3080.

yeah, it's funny because is TI, 3060ti implies same bit memory as 3070, 3080ti should have the same bit memory as 3090 and its not, so what we see is that 3080ti is a lie. If the 3070ti has the same bit memory than the 3080 and is $100 cheaper then 3070ti could be a winner on eth.

Except the fact GDDR6X on 3070TI and 3080TI runs too hot on memory intensive algos like eth, especially if OC

hey guys,

I´m using phoenixminer on my win10 gaming machine to mine with my 3060 when I dont game. Is it possible to adjust ONE core clock via msi afterburner or phoenixminer command line?

every time I use my pc while it´s mining and browse some sites or check mails, my clock goes up and down and if I´m done I have totally different clocks. most time, when I start mining after reboot it´s 1200 mhz and 57 mhash. but then it´s 1500 mhz and hashrate drops to 54 or 53. sometimes I have 1830 which is maximum.....tdp is always 50 %, but clock goes up and down and mhash too :(
if I restart the miner it sometimes helps....but I get different clocks every time...it´s lottery to get 57 mhash...any idea?


with my old 2070s that was no problem at all...you could do some work and if you´re done the miner goes up to the maximum hashrate automatically.

I have heard of your issue and have yet to see a fix for it.
Maybe some one has a fix and can help out.

I'm seen this on several systems... it occurs about 50% of the time.  on the systems that it occurs on they are hooked to the monintor.  the quick fix is i don't plug the monitor into the 30x0 series card, i put a amd 5700 card in that computer and plug the monitor into the amd card and the nvidia 30x0 card will hash fine.   I have two computers that have the monitor plugged into the 30x0 card and have no issues mining while on the computer.  one is a single 3080 and the other is a dual 3070.  i haven't figure out yet why with difference.  these systems have 4k monitors hooked up to them and running windows10... that's the only commonality among them.

https://imgur.com/a/2ONFgGw

Here are photos of my build.
And it's possible to have it in a case.
I just bought 2 Noctua Slim fan (Height 150mm vs 250mm for regular fans) to reduce the space and being able to use my first PCI-E slot without having the fans being blocked by my DDR4 slots.

So the second PCI-E slot one can be used with my old GTX 1060 and also mine while not gaming.
If you have only one graphic card, you can use this in the second PCI-E without trouble.

The fan are running @40%, so I can't even heard them. But the air flow is enough to get rid of the thermal throttling.
I'm mining with a stable 111-112MH/s @82% Powerlimit

https://i.imgur.com/iRyC1ZF.png

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https://imgur.com/a/2ONFgGw

Here are photos of my build.
And it's possible to have it in a case.
I just bought 2 Noctua Slim fan (Height 150mm vs 250mm for regular fans) to reduce the space and being able to use my first PCI-E slot without having the fans being blocked by my DDR4 slots.

So the second PCI-E slot one can be used with my old GTX 1060 and also mine while not gaming.
If you have only one graphic card, you can use this in the second PCI-E without trouble.

The fan are running @40%, so I can't even heard them. But the air flow is enough to get rid of the thermal throttling.
I'm mining with a stable 111-112MH/s @82% Powerlimit

https://i.imgur.com/iRyC1ZF.png
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Came to the conclusion that my trio x is not thermal throttling . This card is not even able to ho above +400 mem . Anything over that and it throttles . I don’t know if it’s fixable with a bios update from msi or maybe flashing the suprim bios .

I’m waiting on a strix and then selling this horrible card . Never again MSI .

I just build a pc for my friend and he got the evga xc3 ultra , was able to reach 99.7 mhs before it started throttling . My POS card can’t even get to thermal throttling .

My friend would benefit from your fan setup .

How did you arrive at the conclusion it's not thermal throttling?

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How did you arrive at the conclusion it's not thermal throttling?
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Cause the core clock drops to 930 mhz as soon as the memory is above +400 . Card temp hovers around 45-50c.

When a card thermal throttles it at least gets high enough to produce heat , my trio x does not even achieve that.

I experienced today my friend xc3 ultra thermal throttling and its not at all how my card behaves . His card hit 99mhs and stayed there for 5 min before throttling and crumbling down to 85 mh while temps were reaching 70C.

Pretty sure its a power limit issue . Some have fixed that by flashing the bios with a different brand bios with higher power limit .

You're only looking at one temp sensor. I know because I have the same issue with mine, where gpu temp looks low but there's more under the surface. If you have software like hwinfo64/gpu-z, you may notice some entries for performance limit. This will tell you whether it's thermal or power limit hindering your performance. The general consensus seems to be memory overheating with OC, and I've noticed thermal throttle being the performance limit even with low GPU temp reported in afterburner.

I've dumped this here from another thread, maybe this will throw some light on the issue and then the light bulb will glow above your head !

So ..... here's some info for you guys that have a new RTX 30x0 card .... this is mostly for the RTX 3080 / 90 cards.

The test below was not carried out by me, but I have managed to confirm the findings with my RTX 3090 I have.

The card used in this test -- MSI RTX 3090 Gaming.

Picture 1  --   Two heat sensors are placed on the memory chips that are on the back of the card.

Picture 2  --  This shows the card running in idle ..... nothing running, notice the temperature   33C

Picture 3  --  This shows the card mining Dagger / Ethash, the monitor on the left shows the card mining, the temperature on the memory chips climb to over 76C, this is what causes the cards to throttle down, the 3080 cards also suffer with this issue with the memory chips on the other side of the card (heat sink / fan side).
In order to get the most out of these cards, the memory chips and the VRM's need to be cooled down as much as possible.
Make sure you have plenty of air flow around the card(s) and give them space to breath.

https://dm2301files.storage.live.com/y4mcw57Ezhn7X_jZgD4kc5YY91xjJxEaCEFltzP9i47J5ycu1ob94UNIPdfGSfIRr9VDN1ImrFgOK30hKcHqJl4i9TkmyVoj4myO3-Y60ZFWx83gQ71Fu-pCYTLcpj4-XKsHkeSTnXyXvkFvnBuGgw4fF1k7Texd4n9fpKo8ipFl-A6v3lWyZLnXTifnQGjYV5LOcEEsrVDj6Zj7aT641V2HA/unknown-1.png?psid=1&width=489&height=859


This is my RTX3090 .....
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/573542115477553173/787178165796995072/unknown.png

Below is a link to an RTX 3080 video showing where the card gets hot, same applies for the RTX 3090.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAsQ0o6BsEk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAsQ0o6BsEk)

Source for the pictures used above from the video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82sf5Lk2lqA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82sf5Lk2lqA)

In the United States, there was a farm for mining Ethereum, consisting of 78 GeForce RTX 3080 video cards produced by PNY, it took more than $100,000 while the profit can be $128,000 per year, consumes about 24 KW of power.
https://www.techarp.com/computer/crypto-mining-78-rtx-3080/

https://i.ibb.co/93R7jQy/2020-12-30-17033.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

Added extra info to my post above.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5275746.msg55973395#msg55973395

Well hwinfo is showing me it’s a power limit issue . Under thermal performance it says NO . Power performance limit shows YES .

I assumed it means its not a thermal problem . Am i wrong ?

Also like i explained before , thermal throttles is not instant , ur card hits high mh’s and then throttles down . Right off the bat my card throttles to 930 core clock if memory is higher than +400. I doubt thermal throttling happens soon as u launch Phoenixminer .

So just to try and disprove my theory about my trio X not thermal throttling . I took my pc into my garage where the temp is about 5c today .

All casing fans running at 90% , i have those corsair 75cfm fans .

I let it sit there for a good 20 min with nothing running , gpu was showing 13c .

Set the Mem to 1000 , base clock at 0 , gpu fan at 90%, PL at 100%

Launch mining program , hashrate did not go above 89mhs , core clock instantly went down to 930-60 after all the loading .

Unless the card is permanently throttled due to heat ptsd , i don’t see how it can be a thermal issue.

Note: also tried some other settings while i was there and results were always the same .

So, if you had to choose now and assuming cards would be available at MSRP, what would be your preferences for models and brands?!

Like this:?!

Brands:
RTX3060TI>RTX3080>RTX3070

Brands:
Asus>EVGA>MSI>Gigabyte

Asus and gigabyte are very similar.

Sounds like that card might be acting the same way my EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 Ultra acts, try with the Power Limit set to 102 - 104% and see what happens.

I have to run my EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 Ultra with the Power Limit set to 102%, that's the only way I can get it to do 121Mh/s @300w on 731mV.

Tried that in many different scenarios , it won’t go above 102% even if i try to manually input 110 for exemple .

Last thing for me to try is what has been suggested by other people here which is to flash the bios to something else like the suprim .

I’m just very hesitant to do that cause i don’t want to scrap the card or lose the warranty .

Would msi know that i flashed a different bios if i go back to the original bios before sending them the card ?

Just thinking out loud, for the cards that use 2mm-3mm thermal pads, would it make  sense to buy 1.5mm copper shiims and reduce the thickness of the thermal pads?

How did you arrive at the conclusion it's not thermal throttling?
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Cause the core clock drops to 930 mhz as soon as the memory is above +400 . Card temp hovers around 45-50c.

When a card thermal throttles it at least gets high enough to produce heat , my trio x does not even achieve that.

I experienced today my friend xc3 ultra thermal throttling and its not at all how my card behaves . His card hit 99mhs and stayed there for 5 min before throttling and crumbling down to 85 mh while temps were reaching 70C.

Pretty sure its a power limit issue . Some have fixed that by flashing the bios with a different brand bios with higher power limit .
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No no ! Mine was like that too.
Use GPU-Z to check the reason of the throttle.
It's Because the sensor of the GPU let you think it's cold ... but the RAM are heating badly on the other side.
Just add a fan and test ... you will have big surprise I guess

Just received a 3090 and i'm getting PWR throttling, probably similar to what you are getting.
Once MVDDC power exceeds 192W, core clock will drop and GPU-Z reports PWR in perfcap.

Core clock needs to be greater than 1100mhz or hashrates will drop (corresponding with a drop in MVDDC power). So the highest i can oc the mem is 10702mhz before it starts throttling. Raising power limit doesn't help either as the card is only reaching ~89% TDP.

Is this memory power cap a bios limitation or a hardware limitation?

<edit> figured it out, had to raise awesomeminer's power limit to >100. In awesomeminer i add a blanket 10% extra power to nvidia cards to account for power supply efficiency for more accurate electricity cost calculation. I suppose awesomeminer takes this into account and limited all my nvidia cards to 90%

Which 3090 did u get ?

Also can u try with phoenixminer and use msi AB to set ur OC . I’m curious to see it u’ll be able to replicate the problem and then fix it the same as with awesome miner .

Got the bottom rung 3090 - palit gamingpro. I have 1080 cards that have bigger heatsink than it. Surprisingly though it doesn't thermal throttle.

In AB, i've set voltage to 712mV, core to 1150, mem to 11100, PL 104%. According to GPU-Z the resulting powerdraw is 90% TDP. The moment i set PL to <90% in AB, the card starts PWR throttling.

One thing you could try is reducing your fan speed as this contributes to the card's total power draw. Reduce it until you see thermal throttling, then raise it back up

Well guys , i decided to flash the bios of my trio X for the suprim .

PL is at 107
Mem +1200
99mhs @ 215W
Temp 45C
Gpu fan 75-80%

Been running for almost a day now no throttling .

I even hit 101 at 1400mem and 108PL with 223W but figured i’ll dial back a bit cause i have no clue how the vrm is handling this .


So from my experience i can say msi trio X does not thermal throttle but power throttles . Now if msi could release a diff bios that does not throttle the power , this card would be a great buy

No we can say that when GDDR6X (3080 or 3090), you'll have throttling even with a fine core temp due to memory temps who are a concern ?

No problem so far with GDDR6 of 3700 / 3060TI

Ps : Maybe the Suprim X version of the 3080 would not have memory temp problems, cause of superior cooling ?

Nope, uses the same heat sink setup as the 3090 I think.
See the video below for the RTX 3090 version.
https://youtu.be/UChgxyMPU5g?t=1465 (https://youtu.be/UChgxyMPU5g?t=1465)

Gainward Phoenix RTX 3080

PL 79
Core Clock @ +0 - it's hovering around 1400MHz
Mem clock @ +1500
250W

102.2MH/s

Trio X has no temp problems . Just pwr limit due to software.

Still power hungry when comparing to other graphic cards, this is why I still respect the old RX580 gpus, two of these card can do 64mhs with power draw of 80watts per card, that's 160 watts at 64mhs, honestly way better than this RTX3080 when mining Ethereum

Its more like 100 to 120 for rx 580s because they did not report all power draw

How did you arrive at the conclusion it's not thermal throttling?
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Cause the core clock drops to 930 mhz as soon as the memory is above +400 . Card temp hovers around 45-50c.

When a card thermal throttles it at least gets high enough to produce heat , my trio x does not even achieve that.

I experienced today my friend xc3 ultra thermal throttling and its not at all how my card behaves . His card hit 99mhs and stayed there for 5 min before throttling and crumbling down to 85 mh while temps were reaching 70C.

Pretty sure its a power limit issue . Some have fixed that by flashing the bios with a different brand bios with higher power limit .
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No it's not. You can confirm if it's throttling or not in gpu-z perfcap reason.
The temps that you see are core temperature and ethash doesn't pound much on the core but is hard on memory and GDDR6X runs really hot. Nvidia has the memory temperature monitoring enabled but haven't exposed it to users.  Most likely your card is throttling itself.  Boost the fan speeds up with a custom fan curve or like other person mentioned; point a fan at back of the card.

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No it's not. You can confirm if it's throttling or not in gpu-z perfcap reason.
The temps that you see are core temperature and ethash doesn't pound much on the core but is hard on memory and GDDR6X runs really hot. Nvidia has the memory temperature monitoring enabled but haven't exposed it to users.  Most likely your card is throttling itself.  Boost the fan speeds up with a custom fan curve or like other person mentioned; point a fan at back of the card.
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Read my previous posts. It’s not thermal . Perfcap was showing pwr when it would throttle . I flashed the card with the suprim bios that pushes the pwr limit higher and now the card is running at 99-100mhs with no problems for over 2 days now .

Trio x does not thermal throttle .

A 3080 does 99-100 mh at 215-220W .

3 580’s would hit 100mh at 240w  if they really stay 80W .

How are they less power hungry than 3080’s ?

No three RX 580 will draw a little bit more watts to archive 100 MH/s than one RTX 3080. But there one very important aspect to consider, RX 580's is a LOT cheaper. That's like the most importent parameter I'm looking into when buying GPUs for mining.

Well now, no GPUs are cheap, that's why I don't buy any at the moment either. Never buy GPUs when crypto is high and demand it high for GPUs, that's really dumb!

Polaris is never 80 watts, it says 80 or much lower, i have a polaris card that says 60w but in reality is 120w at the wall maybe because is amd? nvidia gpus seem much more closer to what the software says.

I've seen some people saying Polaris, specifically RX 580 uses 80w  :D

I answered here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5305504.0

But again, as Metroid said, I never saw any Polaris consuming 80w, this value is only the chip power consumption, but there's more on the board, like memory and fans

RX 580 can hash 30 to 33Mhs (it's very hard to achieve 33Mhs) and uses at least 120w (with luck) or 130w usually on the wall

For comparison, I have 3080 from EVGA, hashing 98Mhs without any drop, stable 24h and using 240w at the wall exactly

With 240w on the wall you can use only 2 Polaris, and the maximum you can achieve, with excelent GPU and memory are 66Mhs

My msi is showing 215W at 99mhs . Should i assume it’s pulling 240 at the wall ?

Whats the usual retail price for rx 580’s ? 1070’s pull 30mh at 115W and u better off getting a 3080 for the consumption/mh u get from those .

I think so, however nvidia gpus tend to be very close to real wattage at wall. All things considered, is very important to check how much exactly cause you can calculate things up.

I have an EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra.

Power Limit 65%
Fan Speed 65%
Memory OC: 400 MHz
Core Clock: -100 MHz
Temperature - 50-53F (Depending on how cold it is outside)
Ethereum Hashrate: 109 mh/s
Power Usage: 275 watts

I can get it to 120-124 MH/s with more aggressive overclock and higher power limit. However I like it at these values.

Anyone else thinking of dumping hardware at these prices? I've got a modest farm of around 7-8 GH/s and once I saw RX 580's break $200 I started listing them on ebay. I've sold around 30-40 so far atleast between $200, 225, and 250. I see new ones sold by Best Buy for $279.99 on ebay so I could see getting up around there but I can't imagine going much higher. Not to mention my cards are all unbranded chinese "Ethecoin" manufactured.

I just figured at $200+ you can flip 2 x 580's into 1 x 3060Ti for the same hash at half the power consumption when stock comes available within the next few months (hopefully?). I was thinking I could sit on the cash for a few months but if it's any longer it is probably smarter to just keep the cards with ROI currently at 6-7 months. Any one else got opinions on selling RX 580 8GB's at $225-250+ and or predictions on when RTX 30xx series stock will lighten up?

That's a decent farm you've got! How many GPUs? What's your ETH payout per week?

I have 1.4 GH/s and my payout last week was around .642 ETH.

You might have to wait a while to get replacement GPU cards. And how much longer can you mine ETH?

I am also tempted to get rid of my cards but they are heating the house. I don't want to wait too long though because GPU stock could be replenished and then used prices will drop accordingly.

I have a few questions:

1. Did you reflash the RX580 cards to stock when you sold them?
2. Which shipping carrier do you use?
3. Are you advertising the GPUs as being used for mining?
4. Are you listing them in bulk? Example: 20 available?
5. How much is Ebay getting as commission?
6. Any dishonest buyers claiming the cards are not working? I heard that EBAY usually sides with the buyer.

I might try Facebook Marketplace instead.

Let me know.

Thanks!

  Tough call.

  I could be the market for them.

we know market is hot 🥵.

How long does it stay hot?

neither of us knows.

I have a space available for 400 amps of 240 = around 80kwatts .

So do I go slow not rush to get gear from a guy like you.

Hope crash and burn. Hope for 3060ti or 3080.

or be aggressive and grab 100 cards from a guy like you.

Descisions.

right now is a good time to sell used gpus, i would not pass this opportunity.

I actually mined into Bitcoin not ETH direct and have sold most of it off every month. Much easier on accounting and the sanity (I had start-up costs to pay; my electrician just cashed a 5k check for my 3ph infrastructure). I also sold off a good chunk around 10k BTC/USD so I don't really have reserves but am comforted in that I won't lose my gear during a flash crash either. Mining is sort of my hedge/safety net in the crypto space when compared to margin trading.

In any case here are the answers to your questions:

1) No I keep them flashed; but I usually run a stress test through 3dMark TimeSpy to make sure it can handle gaming loads as well (sometimes I omit this if selling bulk to a miner, knowing they were pulled from my deployment but I make sure to if going to a gamer.)
2) I ship through USPS Priority Mail
3) I am unabashedly advertising them as mining cards; "Mining" is in my username and I mention that they are already flashed and ready to go and post a hashrate screenshot in my listing.
4) I am listing them in batches of 12-20 yes. 10 just sold @ 250 this morning; averaging 2-10 a day in sales lately.
5) Ebay normally takes 10% commission and paypal takes 3.5% or so. I pay $30/month for an Ebay Store Subscription which knocks down the fee category for certain items. For GPUs it brings it down to 6.5% from 10% commission. Whether the $30/month is worth saving 3.5% on your gross revenue depends on your volume. For me it was obvious.
6) I have had a return or two; it seemed like buyers remorse but the guy said he "didn't have enough power or CPU" for it to work. Not sure if user error or BIOS issue but it worked when I got it back. Paypal will usually side with the buyer yes. You are welcome to record down serial numbers.

I too have space for over 80kw; I've commited to a 2 year lease at my space just starting in November; so I need some volume of cards to make the rent worth it and pay for overhead etc. On one hand I would hate to find myself with a trove of used offbranded RX580's that plummet 50% in value when 30xx stock loosens up; but would also hate to find myself with an empty office for months while ETH continues to sky-rocket.

As you say nobody knows; I feel like an older person burned from the Great Depression of 2018 hiding money in the walls and under the mattress :D I just know that 580's will have to be dumped sooner or later so I figured I'd hedge by starting now, with the culmination of the bull market and new generation tech.

Thanks for the feedback.

I mined Ethereum mostly and for a short period zcash. Glad I stopped with zcash because it has gone nowhere. I never converted anything to cash. Fortunately I was able to fund the equipment and electrical out of pocket. The crypto prices were too depressed later in 2018 - present for me to have a motivation to convert to cash. My mindset is I'd rather hold crypto and see it go to zero than sell at a lower price and see it go to the moon. I also did not bother trading much though I could have had significant gains if I knew when to buy and sell. The thing is it is easy in hindsight to see it but you just never know which way things will go. A lot of luck is involved imo.

rumours 3070ti to have 320 bit gddr6x 8gb (like 3080) and 3080 super to have 384 bit gddr6x (like 3090). Any thoughts?  ??? ;D

this 3070ti will be better than 3080 if that the case, less power consumed less hot..and we know there is an issue about the temps of those gddr6x.

3080 super will be like 3080 super "hot" LOL ...hmm this will do above 100MH if that's the case. and since it will be cheaper than 3090 and will be x3 of 1080ti at least in mining algos..that's irresistible for an upgrade.

If 3070ti has ddr6x, the problem of mem temps too hot remains here too no ?

yes.

yes, but you have to consider the whole gpu, if the cores of 3070ti are less hot then it will affect the gddr6x because they are in the same board, and for the whole mining room it is less hot too.

Would make no sens to make the 3070TI better than 3080’s . Specially for cheaper price .

Also with the price hike coming up due to tarifs between china and usa gpu’s won’t be cheap to buy .

Who ever got themselves gpu’s , mb’s and ssd’s will be happy they got in early

on paper will be cheaper but we know it will not ehhe

roi should be better with 3060ti at 60mh and 120watt each

 eth is now paying 8.38 cents a th. or 95 x 8.38 = 7.96 a day for the 3080. 810 for them

My 3060ti is making 5.02 a day. I paid  512? for it.


so 810/7.96 = 101.75 days

and 512/5.02 = 101.99 days

my power deal is 1/2 the coins


which means my roi is

203.50 days for the 3080
203.98 days for the 3060ti

My host is making out like a bandit on this power deal.  But my host is letting me run s9's and he loses a few cents on them.  While I get 1/2 the coins.

It is a balance.

back to above.

if the 3080 pulls 230 watts
it is 5.52 kwatts a day

if the 3060ti pulls 130 watts like mine does it is 3.12 kwatts


say 10 cent power.

55.2 cents to run the 3080.  so 7.96- .552 = 7.408.  that is 810/7.408 = 109.34 days

31.2 cents to run the 3060ti and 5.02 - .312 = 4.708 that is 512/4.708 = 108.75 days

so at 10 cent power or higher the 3060ti is better.

but that is at my costs which were markups.

769 = 810 on my 3080

479 = 512 on my 3060ti

good deals since fucking eth is whaling.

I hope you are selling, profits you take when you sell, not sure how long these profits will stay like this.

it can be better for mining memory intensive algos for efficiency and temps but for gaming 3080 is still better in performance.

I mine

BTC
LTC
DOGE
ETH

I sold enough to have zero debt everything is paid off.

I sold enough to have some cash laying around.

I am holding

some
BTC
DOGE
LTC

I sell all the eth.

Arent 5700 XTs the way to go? Whern optimized, theyre doing 55 Mh at about 90w.

Never seen any 5700xt consuming 90w, my best 5700XT uses 105w at software and 130w ~ 135w at the wall, and I achieve 54Mhs without bios mod
With bios mod I can do 56Mhs but with more power consumption

5600XT use 90w at software and 100w at the wall - 40Mhs or 43 bios modded

3060tis = 61Mhs - 140w at the wall
3070 = the same as 3060ti

3080 = 95Mhs to 100Mhs with 250w at the wall

All the cards are good choice right now

I am liking my 3060ti. it earns 5 usd a day on nice hash.  the rig a 1 card rig burns 200 watts at the wall so 5 kwatts a day. about 50 cents . 

So I net around 4.50 a day

110 days to payoff .. as it was an aorus card.  which was more costly premium model and a very slight markup.  What is cool is I used 6 month interest free on PayPal.  So they is a very good chance of paying it off in far less than the 180 days I have to pay it. off.

I found strange problem with 3080 i have.
I had 2 3080 before, and bought another 2.
1 Zotac amp Helo works in windows and another PNY under hive.

Today i`ve puted another 2x3080 by zotac, and 1 have problem to rise power limit over 185W - both under hive - same rig.
i`ve set 0, 250 - no change. Even 160 does not work.

Any1 know the sollution ?
please - dont tell me it`s throttling - THAT card has 44C, the one nest to it - 49. The one in windows PL65(220W) - 55-60 - fan at 60%.


edit
After few settings wariations, with 99% Fan, it gets 192W and 83Mhash....Core temp 41.

So 3060TI seem to be the best value for mh.

For the price of a 3080 u get 2 3060ti’s which give u 120mh instead of 100 from the 3080.

Am i missing something ?

Space density for some, more 3080 cards in a setup = more hash for same space.   Resale value on the 3080s will be better too.

in somme cases 3080 maight be better
as usual, it depands

What do you mean ?

I play games, 40 is my age and i do play - PC MASTER RACE ;>
My windows rig, mine on it`s free hours - 3080 is must have in this case.
It`s mining while playing Fortnite 30mhash :/

But on the other hand, 3060Ti has best power/hash ratio and if i know correctly, no thorttle problem at all.

But on another hand, i cant get 3060Ti anywhere, so i bought another 3080, couse i could find somme :)

Yeah the newbie is right 3060ti seem to be best at power for hash.

3080 are more dense

My 3080 does 95 mh at 230 watts. this is 2.42 watts per mh

my 3060ti does 60 mh at 125 watts this is 2.0833 watts per mh

But price of the card matters
and availability matters.

I am only mining so for me I take

any and all of the below

amd 5500
amd 5600
amd 5700
nvidia 3060ti
nividia 3080

they need to be at a decent price and available and I buy them.



In a magical world. I would take all 3060ti's put them on an onda d1800 board.

I would have 4 cards per board

1 zotac zt-a3061e=10m
3 evga 08g-p5-3667-kr.

 this mobo would do. about 240mh at about 600 watts and just run baby.

I would have 50 mobos set this way total of 12000mh or about  890 usd of eth a day.

Problem is I can't get enough cards for 1 or 2 mobos no less 50. >:(

Thats nice and all but theres a flip side to this . If cards were this available difficulty would go up and u would be doing less and less every day weeks month as more and more people add mining rigs .

Now is the time to be mining when cards are hard to find . Had i known it would be this profitable i would of pre ordered a bunch since release day .

If i could, i would buy just 3060Ti.
13 Gpus per rig 2 psu. thx :)

I have random models, random manufacturers, random all.....
Driving 150km around visiting ppl/shops and ripping thiers GPU out of them...sad time for everyone.

So understand me, when i`m writing, that 3080 could be a good choice. Understand me, when i`ll say, that for a simple reason, 3090 is a better choice - i can buy it.

If it is available and price is not stupid high it is worth it.

Nice think

Best profit for  now = (Price * Power Usage)/HashRate * HashRate - Lower number is better.
Actual prices, tells me, that 3080 is as good, as 5700 on micron.
1660 s/Ti little behind 3060Ti, but the winner is 5700 on samsung.

Make calculation for yourself based on your price and hashrate.
It helps me decide, shouyld i buy or not.

3090’s is never good for mining or gaming . The msrp is way 2 high for hashing

For gaming that 10% performance is not worth the price difference with the 3080’s .

I think 3090 is better for mining in all aspects except price. But now, when 3080 availability is zero and prices are very high, 3090 is rather attractive even in price sense. Here we have 3090 for 2k$ and 3080 for ... 2k$  ;D

Well i’m comparing mrsp prices . I can easily make a 6 gpu rig with scalper 3080’s at 1700-1800 cad but thats pointless . In a month or 2 stocks will be replenished and more miners will come online . Diff will go up .

Buying a 3080 at 300-400$ premium will set back ur roi by 2 much .

Then factor in EIP 1559 , you’d barely turn in a profit by the time eth 2.0 rolls out (if out in 2023) .

3080ti should be more dense and should be the best power for hash...if nvidia can deliver a new king.

nvidia said 3080ti's on indefinite hold until supply of current cards adequate.

then the suppose to be king might be late for the party...just like the radeon Vii LOL...and for sure hbm2e is going to be very late hehe

Isn't it a world record in terms of efficiency among gpus?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/612697608950906920/817757598014504970/unknown.png
0.62mhs per watt
rtx3070 for laptop - new queen!

Really impressive, could you share the clock and power settings?

I believed that the 3070s worked with a good efficiency around 62 / 63mhs. Do you have a special secret to reach 66 mhs?

It is new samsung gddr6 ram, installed to this laptop, I think. Powertuning and memory OC performed with nvidia inspector. Resulting clocks, voltages and wattage you can see on gpu-z screen on the right
I can even have lower wattage if I spin coolers to the max. But it will be very noisy.

GeForce RTX 3050 6 Gb lags behind the full version by 20%, but does not require additional power, consuming almost half as much energy, that is, the efficiency per watt is very good, ... the only question is the price of such a budget device?
https://i.ibb.co/fQ0QkcT/photo-2024-02-04-17-02-35.jpg (https://ibb.co/HXgXtJ9)
https://t.me/HomishTG/6774
Is the 3000 Series dead in mining or do miners no longer have questions about these video cards?

Trying to revive a 3 year old thread?

The newest will always be the best ever, but my opinion is Maxwell was the best partly because it coincided with the
the explosion of altcoins and supposedly ASIC resistant algorithms. Ampere will always have the stain of LHR.

I know that many miners are now running the 3000 series, because it is cheap and in many algorithms it is no worse than the new expensive 4000 series video cards.
With the end of Ethereum mining, mining of other coins has not died, and the legendary 3060 and 3070 will remain at the top of budget mining for a long time.

Steam statistics data for March show that the share of owners of discrete GeForce RTX 3060 graphics cards on the platform increased by a noticeable 0.75 percentage points - 6.92% of Steam users use it. Despite the fact that we are talking about a video card that is already three years old, this accelerator is still the most popular among Steam users.
The most popular video card of the latest generation is the GeForce RTX 4060. The ranks of its owners continue to grow slowly but surely. In March, the share of owners of this card increased by 0.6 percentage points. and amounted to 2.6% of all Steam users who took part in the survey.
GeForce RTX xx60 video cards continue to dominate the Steam rankings. Four models of different generations occupy the top lines of the March chart. The popularity of video cards of the GTX 10, GTX 16 and RTX 20 series, apparently, has already reached its peak and is now gradually declining.
https://t.me/HomishTG/6977
https://i.ibb.co/TH9RTsc/photo-2024-04-04-07-45-47.jpg (https://ibb.co/MRFphmn)

Where have the AMD video cards gone?

User hardware and software data: March 2024
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
Probably AMD video cards are not popular among Steam users, but this does not mean that these video cards are not played. I don’t use Steam, and many users don’t use it either. Therefore, these statistics will not show the general situation in the gaming segment.