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So all that exists now is ideas and promises to make the future better, but there is no real development in the code.
Writing the code and formulating the concepts is the basis, but the problem is that nothing is free, otherwise it has a value, the value of the thing is determined by the amount of effort spent in its manufacture and the willingness of people to pay for it. If all people in the world can get money without getting tired, then it is not for that money Values.

From your story, honestly it sounds like you're saying "hey, I want to launch new project, I promise it's for a good cause but I need money, please give me some and I promise I won't scam you".

Typical of a scammers I'd say.

Maybe you could add, "We have done it, the perfect money machine. We need to take your money first without showing you actual results first."

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@OP - You won't get entertained for this without actually putting in the numbers and show actual results for your project. Most of the time, if the developer/owner is devoted to the project, they would pour in their money for it and see it bloom. Since you have said you figured out how to make perfect money, then do it.

If you are afraid of fraud on our part, then you can not transfer your donation to us, but find a good developer yourself, negotiate with him and pay him directly for making a smart contract for our project.

Just scammers looking for some quick satoshi be careful.

If you really want to help the development of the crypto industry then donate to the bounty program.
When someone finds a vulnerability or weakness and he notifies the dev team so that it can be patched, they will receive a bounty or reward.
This is how you can help the development of the crypto industry.
And not by sending your coins to some newbee shady forum member who thinks they got it all worked out and starts sending copy paste messages.

If you are afraid of fraud on our part, then you can not transfer your donation to us, but find a good developer yourself, negotiate with him and pay him directly for making a smart contract for our project.

Just another shit coin ready to drop bottom i have seen it over and over and over again give me one good reason to start developing for you.
There isn't any.
Nuff said.

The fact that nobody wants to help it should tell you something.
You are either barking up the wrong tree or you are a scammer trying to scam people.
Both cases are undesirable from an investors and developers perspective.

Our tokens have value. They cannot be mined in unlimited quantities. Mining of the EurBit tokens is built on the burn (Proof-of-Burn) of bitcoins, ethereum and other utility tokens of projects that have decided to join our common ecosystem.

Yes EURBIT does have value.

https://i.ibb.co/XSPHKQZ/eurbit.png (https://ibb.co/ZWr9Fj6)

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You posted a picture not about ours, but about some other token and project. Our token does not exist yet. Its mining has not started yet.  We don't even have a ready smart contract with which mining will be carried out.
Before drawing conclusions about any project try to carefully study their White Paper, and do not guide by your fantasies. Only in this case your opinion will be weighty and meaningful for someone.

Donation is not required for crypto currency according to me because we pay Transaction fee in every single transaction so decentralised recover from them so donation is like to scam peoples.

I did not even bother to read the whitepaper, because the approach is very much similar to past scammers on the introduction of their project, they preach that their project can save the community and will go straight to the top and exchange will be in a hurried to list their coin, words that will have a effects to newbies but not us who has seen and read everything.

Decentralization of the EurBit token and its ecosystem is provided by several factors:
•   Firstly, only decentralized cryptocurrencies are used (burned) in the process of mining.
•   Secondly, absolutely any inhabitant of the planet can take part in the mining (emission) process. Moreover, he/she can do it independently, anonymously and without anyone’s permission. There is no need to pre-buy expensive computing equipment, to spend a lot of electricity and to have complex technical knowledge. It is very simple, on the surface it looks like an ordinary token sale, like exchanging one cryptocurrency for another, although this is not so. The project team can also take part in the mining process, but only as individuals, and on exactly the same conditions as all the other 7.7 billion people. The team does not have any more favorable conditions (pre-mine, inst-mine) and other additional opportunities to mine tokens.
•   Thirdly, tokens and the ecosystem are based on a decentralized Ethereum blockchain, to which the members of the EurBit team have nothing to do with.
•   Fourth, only miners make final decisions on the development and expansion of the ecosystem. The team of the EurBit project does not make any key development decisions and it works only as a maintenance staff. In addition, the project team pre-selects the best projects from those who applied for joining to the ecosystem, and presents them to miners for review and evaluation. In the process of mining (emission) and the subsequent stage of safe crowdfunding only miners choose which of the presented projects they want to finance and accept into the ecosystem and which not.
•   Fifth, the beneficiaries from the emission of the EurBit tokens are only miners and their chosen startups joining the ecosystem. The EurBit project team has no material benefits from the emission of tokens and the work within the project.
•   Sixth, the EurBit project team cannot influence on the determination of the emission size. The miners themselves set the emission size depending on the ecosystem’s needs in tokens. The presence of internal and external rates of the token, the difference between them, the presence or absence of promising projects wishing to become part of the ecosystem are excellent self-regulators of emissions, which are capable of both to speed it up and to completely stop it.

You can take part in the mining (emission) of the EurBit tokens and immediately get 5% income only on the ecosystem’s main website (http://www.eurbit.money (http://www.eurbit.money)) in the investor / miner / user account. Anyone from any country can independently mine money that surpasses all cryptocurrencies and all fiat currencies in their consumer properties.
In doing so, you will not need to go through the KYC and AML procedures; you will not need to indicate your first name, last name, citizenship or any other personal data. Our token and its mining are completely anonymous. When registering, it will be enough to indicate only the public address of your over-the-counter ethereum wallet (it must support the ERC-20 standard). This address will be used both as a login from your investor’s account and as a wallet address to which we will send the EurBit tokens mined by you.

Before drawing conclusions about any project try to carefully study their White Paper, and do not guide by your fantasies. Only in this case your opinion will be weighty and meaningful for someone.

You make a good point but if you're aware of the previous scam outbreaks you'll understand that the above user has a legitimate reason to doubt your proposal.
With that been said, a check your whitepaper but honestly it too wide for me to read and I have to skip some pages. However, I have some few question to ask you, why would you guys not offer advertisement for Russians and still want the use of your token there? What are the personal safety and security involved?
Why not seek for local investors/donations instead of online which nothing guarantees your honesty or is there any legal paper involved?

With these sentences then i can say that your project is totally shit.This had always been the target or common words that most projects do say but do end up neither scamming or total failure.
Definitely right thats why i cant really blame out people if they would make out conclusions like this. This market had infested with lots of scams or shady projects and even

how good the whitepaper is, it doesnt mean that it would be a successful one. OP, why being too forceful for people to believe that your project is good?
Just let them to decide because a true relevant project would really get attention no matter what but if its a total garbage then expect for direct rejection.

Promising word is not good to be trusted especially when we see the project a obvious one and I agree with you since nowadays scammers creates a good white paper to believe that they are good project. And it's really good for people to listen on someone's feedback since sometimes they know how things work but also do their own diligence  to research for their own to know more about this.

1) We understand that there are a lot of scammers in the crypto industry and of course all crypto fans need to be very careful and attentive.  But it does not mean that someone has the right to call everyone fraudulent, especially honest people.

2) We are creating a global ecosystem in which all inhabitants of the planet will be able to buy any goods and services and satisfy any of their other needs completely without the participation of any fiat money. It will be much more profitable to use our money than any fiat one.  Of course, the central banks of all countries will be unhappy with our project and they may start doing something against us. However this is not because we are going to deceive our users and miners, but because we will make central banks and their fiat money unnecessary for people.  Since the founders of the project live in Russia, the central banks of all other countries will not be able to harm them, but the central bank of Russia can. Therefore, we are forced to limit the activities of our project in Russia, so as not to endanger the founders of the project.

3) If you are ready to help us with the creation of a smart contract, then we are ready to announce our cooperation with you on our website and in our social networks, for example here https://twitter.com/BMBC_online_inv (https://twitter.com/BMBC_online_inv)
So that all the community witnesses our agreements. This will minimise all your risks of being cheated.

There are many decentralized cryptocurrencies, but there are none that would be at the same time:
 1) decentralized,
 2) anonymous,
 3) non-volatile,
 4) have good backing, that is not related to fiat government money,
 5) never fall,
 6) and sometimes have the opportunity to grow.

Now the world will have that kind of money - the EurBit tokens. And this is the combination of qualities of the ideal money.
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There are two ways to achieve anonymity:
 
 1) The first way is to ask your first name, last name, citizenship, address, passport number and other personal details.  And then try to encrypt all this information using cryptography so that no one knows it.

2) The second way is just not to ask people for any personal information. Then there will be nothing to encrypt and no cryptography will be needed.

We have chosen the second way of ensuring anonymity, it seems to us that it is much more effective than the first one.

I don’t want you to take my word for trust.
I don’t want people to evaluate projects without even reading information from their WP and website.
I want people to read the WP and the website first and only then say what they liked and what they did not like and give some arguments proving that our ideas are bad (if they find our ideas bad).

We have not set and we are not going to set the goal of creating our own blockchain. Our token is of the ERC-20 standard on the ethereum blockchain. Therefore, all questions on improving the technical part of this blockchain should be addressed not to us, but to Buterin and his colleagues. And we solved the main problems of the cryptoindustry not with the help of programming, but with completely different methods.

Well. We'll think about it

We totally understand your point but this conversation wont move forward if you dont our.
Every product owner usually claim to be honest type when the project is not launched or when they are about to start their offering. An example is karatcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5018893.0) which as owner by dreamy site owner, he ran away and nothing was done about it.

Nevertheless, if the project owner is from Russia I don't see a reason why finding a smart contract developer will be hard since there's a lot of crypto enthusiasts there.
I repeat find a local developer or else no one online will do the business you're offering which is only base on words.

In short, we already have learnt into your past mistakes when ICO projects had flooded out this market.Lots of people left with burned wallets due for us to believe that majority of them
does really have the potential but we're wrong in that part.

People do become smart and having enough on what they had experienced in the past will not really be easily forgotten.


I cant deny that majority of us are really tired on reading up some whitepaper or roadmap again and again.Why?

The whole idea might be good to look at or promising but still 99% of them do just fail neither they do lack of support or just trying to scam out its investors.
This is the primary thing why people do have that auto-ignore into new projects.

1) Everyone wants to work only on a prepaid basis.
2) EurBit ------->  non-profit project

I want people to read the WP and the website first and only then say what they liked and what they did not like and give some arguments proving that our ideas are bad (if they find our ideas bad).

The description of your project says that if people want to use your tokens, they must burn their hard-earned banknotes and for this they will receive an eternal new banknote, do I understand you correctly?

All projects that are part of the EurBit ecosystem are required to sell, buy, accept payments for goods and services or otherwise use our tokens only at the internal non-volatile rate. Thus, the mining (emission) of our tokens will also be carried out at the internal rate, but miners will receive additional 5% of the tokens from the joining projects as a gift. Additional advantages of obtaining EurBit tokens through mining are complete anonymity, the absence of commissions and the opportunity to participate in the development of the ecosystem by choosing a joining project.
After some time from the start of the project and the start of mining, there will be available two more ways to become the happy owners of our tokens.
The second way to get EurBit tokens is to buy them on the internal ecosystem exchanger called the EurBit Exchange (localeurbit.com). This is a p2p service with the help of which you can anonymously, safely, without commissions and with a free escrow agent exchange (buy / sell) EurBit tokens for fiat currencies from all over the world at the ecosystem’s internal rate.
The third way to get EurBit tokens is to buy them on the external cryptocurrency exchanges. This can be done at a volatile external rate, with transaction fees and with commissions for depositing and withdrawing money from the exchange. Most often, it can be done only through KYC and AML procedures, which means that users will lose their anonymity, will not receive a 5% bonus, and they will not be able to participate in the development of the ecosystem.
Each potential user of the EurBit ecosystem and its tokens has the right to choose any of these three methods of obtaining tokens, which he considers the most convenient and profitable for himself

What kind of voluntary ecosystem is this, where everyone “must and must” and what is surprising is who supports the internal course, due to which it is stable and does not depend on the external, due to what internal financial resources does it maintain its stability?

We are the creators and users of the EurBit ecosystem and we have every right to come to an agreement among ourselves and decide for ourselves what course of our money will be within our own ecosystem. And if we believe that it will be beneficial for all of us to forever tie it to the mathematical function MAX (BTC), then we will do it. And what happens with the speculators’ rate outside the ecosystem, we don't care. This is the rate of speculators for speculators, we do not use it, let them play with it as they want. It's another matter if within the ecosystem you can buy the EurBit for 10,000€, then what fool would buy it on the exchange for 11,000€? Or if within the ecosystem the EurBit can be handed over at 10,000€, then what a fool would sell it on the exchange for 9,000€? So, of course, speculators are free to play as they want, but only arbitrage crypto traders will gladly make money on morons and on the difference between the internal and external rates. Therefore, the more the ecosystem grows, the tighter the external speculative volatile rate will be attracted to the internal stable one.

Tell me more specifically who personally decides which internal course in numbers and on the basis of what you are not taking them from the ceiling or you decide it at a general meeting

MAX (BTC) is the mathematical and statistical function that depends on fluctuations in the bitcoin rate and it gives out the maximum value of these fluctuations for the required period of time. It is not counted by any specific people. It is counted by a computer automatically on the specialized sites that review cryptocurrency rates. For example, on such sites as:  https://coinmarketcap.com (https://coinmarketcap.com) or https://www.coingecko.com (https://www.coingecko.com)  So we take these numbers in automatic mode from there.  Not a single person from the EurBit team counts these numbers, does not approve and has nothing to do with them at all.

If tomorrow this figure drops by 2 times, then the course of your candy wrapper will follow it?

MAX is from the word maximum.  Do you understand what this word means? In principle, the values ​​of the MAX function can never decrease. They can either stand still or grow.

Sorry for my stupidity, I just can't understand if I burned 1 dollar and got candy wrappers worth 2 dollars, then where did the second one come from?

About dollars and candy wrappers you are contacting the wrong address. You’d better address this question to the Fed. I think that whether you burn your one dollar or not, they will still print another 10 trillion new candy wrappers and you will not get them. And if you want to learn about the unique consumer properties of the EurBit tokens, then you’d better read the White Paper of this project. There are answers to all the questions that you have already asked and to all the questions that you will ask in the future in it. Do you think I have nothing else to do but retell you the White Paper? And if you, Victor, have already read the WP, but still did not understand anything, then you hardly need to go to the stock exchanges, then currencies and the economy are not yours at all. You’d better grow indoor flowers - you will get much less losses, and much more pleasure.

This opponent is bothering not only you, but also me and many others, perhaps he is very curious, I think when he talked about bucks he meant bitcoin if you burn one cue ball why the cost of your tokens is two. By the way, you did not answer me in our correspondence why you limited yourself to an increase in the value of your tokens by 200 percent, and not 500 or a thousand, which prompted you to make this decision?

absolutely right, he just avoids answering

no, I think he has nothing to answer

1) Victor, you should visit a psychotherapist. It is not normal to talk to yourself from two different accounts.

2) Real money differs from candy wrappers in that they have real backing for the entire emission volume. Any commercial project that joins our ecosystem and pledges to sell its goods or services for EurBits, and not for dollars (or other fiat currencies), brings its own backing to our ecosystem. Each project takes backing from fiat money and brings it to EurBits. And the crowdfunding funding that projects joining the EurBit ecosystem receive from miners goes to the growth and development of not the fiat economy, but the economy of the EurBit ecosystem, and to increase the backing of our tokens. This means that projects joining the ecosystem provide 100% backing to the EurBit token. Another 100% of the value is transferred to our tokens by bitcoins and ethereum when burned. Therefore, the ecosystem as a result of mining increases the token backing by 200% (100% + 100%), which means that 200% of the tokens should be emitted. Of course, you can emit  less than 200%, but this is stupid from the point of view of our tokenomics. You can emit 500% or 1000%, as you suggest, but this is even more stupid, because  our token does not have as much backing, and the emission of tokens without backing turns them from money into candy wrappers. And we have no desire to make candy wrappers. With the production of nothing backed wrappers, the Fed is doing a wonderful job. We have a desire to make the best, fairest and most decentralized money in human history.

Dear Yuri, I did not offer you anything, I asked the question "why did you limit yourself to increasing the value of your tokens by 200 percent, and not 500 or a thousand, which prompted you to make this decision?"
I see that you will not understand at all how the economy works. According to your project, from the very beginning you issue tokens that you nominate at a rate of 200 percent and give 95 percent for business development, thereby making inflation or you first unite a business around you, which should compensate for these percentages from its profits. You will already determine for yourself what is primarily an egg or a chicken.

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Judging by your posts, you are a big dreamer

   The difference between the internal and external rates of the EurBit token will be the most reliable decentralized self-regulator of its emission rate. The difference between the rates makes mining sometimes more and sometimes less profitable. This means that it can both increase the emission rate, and reduce it, or even completely stop it.

To such answers, I answer with you everything is clear "Pharmacy around the corner"

You are not a professional scammer, you main intention is to set crypto space to the moon, what of those that are already living in mars? Promises without steps to actualize them. When you know it all, why are you searching for smart contract developers?

For the official start of our project, we need only a smart contract. Unfortunately, there are no smart contract developers in our team of volunteers (non-profit project). At the moment we are unable to find such a specialist who would help us for free or on post-payment terms. We are even ready to pay the developer several times more than he usually charges for such work in order to compensate him all the inconveniences of the delay in payment. But everyone wants to work only on a prepaid basis.

I reviewed your white paper quickly.  No new technology.  No new ideas.

Basically, you want people to burn bitcoins and ethereum, and get your token for doing so.   

Your token will go up in price as bitcoin and ethereum become scarce.

Am I right?

You looked too quickly and did not see the most interesting. In fact, we have come up with a solution to many important problems. Here are some of them:

1) We have created perfect money by improving  Bitcoin. Our EurBit token is a non-volatile bitcoin. Its rate either stands still, or sometimes it can rise, but never falls. This leads to solutions to two extremely important problems:

a) Users of our improved bitcoins will never suffer material losses and nervous stress. After all, it is the problem of losses and stress that repels hundreds of millions of people from cryptocurrencies.

b) Ordinary bitcoins cannot be used in online stores, by manufacturers of goods and services, other real businesses, as well as ordinary people, buyers of these goods and services for everyday life, for mutual settlements, because it is very volatile. Every evening you go to bed and don't know how much the bitcoins in your wallet will cost when you wake up tomorrow. Such volatile money cannot be used in everyday life and in business. But it is very convenient and profitable to use stable never-falling bitcoins. It is more convenient and profitable than dollars or other fiat money. Therefore, our token and our project opens the gates for the switching from fiat money to cryptocurrencies (decentralized + stable) for stores, manufacturers of goods and services, for other real businesses, for billions of ordinary people, and not just for professional stock speculators.

2) We have improved ICO and crowdfunding in general. We removed all their flaws and added new advantages. We have solved the problem of fundraising fraud by startups. We have solved the problem of losses of investors. Now there will be no losses, even if the funded startup for some reason ceases to exist. We have come up with a way for startups to collect financing for their development without bank loans and venture capital investors, and also without issuing their own tokens. This funding does not need to be returned and there is no need to give a share of your project to the robbers - venture capitalists. There will be no more token issuance by startups and token sale to investors. This process is replaced by the mining of tokens by outside anonymous miners and a free donation of a part of these tokens for the development of the startup chosen by the miner. At the same time, the miner, financing the startup he likes, does not spend his own money and does not lose anything, even if this startup is closed for some reason. In addition, the replacement of investors with miners, the lack of a process for buying / selling tokens, the absence of linking the emission of tokens to specific startups, the absence of losses for all parties to the process completely change the entire legal part. Legalization in jurisdictions and business liberation from state control are simplified, start-ups are protected from prosecution by state bodies that oppose the massive use of cryptocurrencies. This is a completely safe and revolutionary crowdfunding. This is a way to simplify and significantly reduce the cost of obtaining financing for project development, suitable not only for crypto startups, but also for operating enterprises of any size from the real sector of the economy of any country. Business no longer needs bank loans. Startups don't need venture capitalists anymore. Our way of financing business development is much more profitable. This is a genuine financial revolution.

I will not describe other problems solved by us. You can find out all information about them by CAREFULLY reading the White Paper.

You haven't solved any problems.  :/

I'll save everyone the time of reading your white paper - it contains the same kind of talk as your responses.  Vague, known statements and ideas with no proof.

I have an idea for a coin that will feed the entire world.  Each coin gives you a ration of food and water for a day.  <<-- this is my whitepaper.

My coin is superior to yours - can we move the fundraising over?

Its because of such negativity that most of great crypto projects wont see the light ... Stop your negativity it undermines projects that might brng about great success for the crypto industry... If you dont have anything positive to say about other people's project shut the F$#k up ... Investors read such comments and end up not helping because of some ass that demoralized and undermined someones hard work...  >:(

You are too young to remember but I created everything, even though Quickseller bypassed the blockchain and claimed I was a pseudotheist.  But it's my love for you and bitcoin that makes me so tough on these threads.  I want you to learn from mistakes so you can join me in the club crypto cloud cluster, where you will spend eternity making profitable trades, and the bitcoin price will keep going up...

If I undermine a project, it wasn't hard work and it didn't have investors. I don't criticize boring or redundant projects - only obvious scams.

But dont you think instead of giving negative feedback you can give positive feedback that can help project founders improve their projects

1) Firstly, the EurBit project team does not launch any fundraising and does not receive any material benefit from the project, not a single cent. Therefore, we will not convince you of something and try to prove something to you. We have neither free time nor desire for this. We have just invented a printing press that prints ideal money (stable bitcoins) and placed it in an open field so that anyone, who wants, can anonymously come to it and print ideal decentralized money, the rate of which never falls. Now Central Banks are no longer needed. When our smart contract will be ready, any person who sees a benefit for himself in using the money, that we have invented, will be able to take part in its mining. Moreover, this does not require either electricity or expensive equipment. Anyone who (after reading the WP) did not understand how it all works (like you) or who does not see his own benefits from using stable bitcoins, have the opportunity not participate in mining. It doesn’t matter for the EurBit project team, the same as for Satoshi Nakamoto’s team, whether you will use our inventions or not. We gave all the people of the world cool ideas (absolutely for free) that are very beneficial for them, and then each person decides to use them or not.

2) If you do not understand how the ideas from the White Paper will be implemented and how they will work, this does not mean that the ideas are bad or that they do not have a solution or proof. In fact, you are simply not smart enough to understand them.  Or you are a stock speculator who likes highly volatile bitcoin more, and stable bitcoin is simply not profitable for you. Anyway, we urge all people to carefully read our WP themselves and make their own decisions whether to use our stable bitcoins, which were invented by the non-commercial project EurBit, or not.

You are a slanderer. Slandering and denigrating the honor, dignity and business reputation is a criminal offense in almost all countries of the world.

So you expect your audience to view it just as "magic"?   Are you smart enough to understand how my printing press works?  Anyway can anonymously come to it and print enough money for one day's worth of food/water.  It's better than your idea of making everyone in the world a billionaire - who would work fast food??

 ** Don't ask me how it works! **

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