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Recently a man was deceived by someone who had change the electrum source code on an old version of it. He lost 1400BTC(!)

I had made a similar question in the past, but the answer didn't satisfy me. Why should that hacker use a mixer? If he try to sell the bitcoins from his main address (the one with the 1400BTC) he will get caught, because he will prove that he is the hacker.

If he send 1BTC to 1400 owned addresses, though, no one can prove that the person that owns those 1400 addresses is the hacker, right? They can only ask them where did you get that one bitcoin.

Who has time to create 1400 Addresses so as to split the 1400 bitcoins?  ;D
A hacker would be the last person you would expect to do this when there are a couple of good bitcoin mixers right under his nose. Just a couple hours and what the wants has been done by the mixer

There are some chainlysis tools that are even said to be able to unmask the source of mixed bitcoins. Imagine how easy it will be to trace the source of the tinted 1400 BTC even in different addresses

One of them is walletexplorer.com, it's able to link addresses from one HD wallet so even if one tries to generate many addresses using one HD wallet (This is the easiest way to generate 1400 BTC addresses) It will be no work done

And one day he will recive a letter from local police station that he is being summoned for a questioning as a witness in a crime. He will have to take a day off and appear at the police on pain of a fine or restriction of liberty.
Explain himself, provide source of this 1 BTC. As part of the investigation, the police may confiscate computer / telephone for months. What for? Just mix and pay 1-5% fee. Or deposit to exchange x, exchange to monero, deposit to exchange Y, withdraw bitcoin.

It is one command on electrum. Anyway, you didn't answer my question. Yes, mixers is a good solution for the hacker, but can someone prove that he owns the addresses?


That's an answer. Thanks. I didn't know that police is searching for bitcoin scammers.

Lets say there is the following chain of transactions:

1,400 BTC from a known hacked wallet to a known hacker's address
That 1,400 BTC is then split in to 1 BTC chunks and sent to 1,400 other addresses
Someone then deposits 1 BTC from one of those addresses to an exchange

What is the chance that the hacker has sold all 1,400 BTC simultaneously in exactly equal 1 BTC chunks and sent them to 1,400 different addresses? How did he sell them all so quickly? How did he find enough buyers? Why did every buyer want exactly 1 BTC? The chances of this happening are astronomically small. The only logical conclusion is that the same person depositing that 1 BTC is the same person who hacked the 1,400 BTC. Best case scenario then is his coins are seized by the exchange; worst case the exchange are handing his IP and KYC details over to law enforcement. Even if the hacker bounces the 1,400 BTC around multiple different addresses in multiple different amounts over multiple different transactions, it is still fairly trivial to trace them all back to the initial address.

That's why you use mixers. Good mixers will completely break the chain between inputs and outputs.

Why are mixers legal? The only purpose I find on them is to money launder. They are literally useless if you don't have anything to hide.

Doesn't this mean that somebody else will receive coins (from the mixer) from the "tainted" "source"?



You like people look into your pocket? Is the content of your bank account shown on your FB wall?
Do you use curtains at home? Is your door open?
You always have something to hide. I remember that at some point somebody came here asking for advice since he was threatened by somebody who knew him and who has seen how many bitcoins he (legally) owned.

Mixers are used to hide your identity not only from governments/police but also from thieves, cheaters, kidnappers. Will you do a deposit to crypto exchange that you did KYC on from a wallet where 100 BTC is? I would not. There is no certainty that there is no black market for data linking large wallets to individuals for kidnappers to know where to strike for big easy money.

It quite obvious because when the hacker tries to cashout to fiat. That's when problems come in. Remember, almost all big crypto to fiat exchanges require some sort of KYC. Most are centralized and can handover KYC details, email addresses plus IP logs to the authorities when they trace the transactions to the exchange's address.


If you didn't know, then know it from today. Here is a perfect example of how the twitter scam hackers were arrested, they tried to cashed out their unmixed stolen bitcoins - https://www.digitaltrends.com/news/tampa-teen-twitter-bitcoin-scam-arrested/

Why would swapping some bitcoins for other bitcoins be illegal?

Analysis has shown that the majority of mixers' traffic comes directly from centralized exchanges, by users who are simply looking to increase their privacy from the prying eyes of exchanges. There are a thousand good reasons a user might want privacy despite doing nothing illegal. If you truly believe that you don't need privacy unless you have something to hide, then please share your real name, address, internet browsing history, bank statements, email accounts and passwords, and social media accounts and passwords publicly in this thread, so we can all have a good look through your private life and publicly share what we find. After all, you don't have anything to hide, do you?

The "nothing to hide" argument as been widely debunked:

The purpose is to obfuscate the trail, money launder is the bad/negative side of mixers.

Privacy is a matter in crypto world, let's say if you own huge amount Bitcoin and anyone know what's your name, your location, your home etc. You'll potentially getting attacked by $5 wrench attack from thieves.

https://i.ibb.co/6JFGVh8/CIL1j-Ou-XAAA-4o-J.png (https://imgbb.com/)

@o_e_l_e_o, I didn't say that privacy doesn't matter. Of course it does. But let me ask you a question, if I wanted to mix 1400BTC, then the bitcoins would first pass from the mixer's addresses. Won't the police know that the stolen bitcoins are now owned by the mixer's company? I don't understand why the whole scam is solved with just a mixer and how the hacker can now spend them all without being afraid of getting caught.

I don't think the mixers would want to make themselves known publicly (in terms of IRL information) in the first place.

Also, there's a possibility that a mixer could also send the Bitcoins to another mixer before sending them to the addresses. Just to make things even more difficult to trace.

I was thinking as you mate, why mixers still legal?

The exchanges have to send the bitcoin back if they come from a hack but why no one says the same for Mixers? Those are money laundering machines and no gov is interested in stopping them.

Maybe governments are ignorant and they don't know a tool like this exists. That's why they are not getting banned yet. But they will not live forever.

To add to this, Binance US doesn't even require a warrant to hand over user information to law enforcement. Below are their requirements.

· information of the agent (If possible, full name, phone number, email address, etc.) investigating the incident reported;
· the official seal of the law enforcement authority;
· explicit requirements from Binance US, such as IP logs, identity documents, etc.

Probably because governments still don't care that much to look into regulating Bitcoin.


This is wrong, Electrum's source code wasn't compromised, what are you referring to is a bug/oversight that allowed Electrum servers to send messages to clients that looked like wallet notifications.


It's actually fairly obvious that all those addresses belong to a hacker or otherwise linked to him, because such strange transactions don't happen under normal circumstances.

I believe some people use mixers just because of being obsessed with privacy while at the same time preferring Bitcoin to, say, Monero. I'm sure that not all mixer users are doing illegal stuff. Some people might just want to ensure that nobody traces their money. Others might want to do things that are not illegal but are confidential or just something one would reasonably want to hide (financing a political party, spending money on something your close ones would not approve of or something like that). But there's a good chance that mixers are used primarily for illegal activities, I think, so I would not mind them becoming illegal.

Except there are many places where criminals are looking to extort, kidnap or worse, rich people. And a key to identify rich people, is finding out what their finances are. So yeah it "sounds nice" that you need to explain your gov where your fortune comes from to deter crime, but it isn't great when this info falls in the wrong hands, and in some places, such criminal organizations have ties with the very same gov or entities regulating this.

You see, its a catch22. Suppose the Mixer requires you to KYC to comply with regulations. Then this mixer (or the KYC processor) is "hacked" and the info sold in the "dark web". Then some local crimelord with a cyber arm finds out about you...

But yes, it could make easier to launder too. Those who live in "nice countries" (ie. low crime rate) would seem to willingly surrender their privacy. What could possibly go wrong? But many living "less nice" places, where crime and police are often one and the same, their privacy means their life, quite literally.

What is the crime in becoming rich by honest means? Its not a crime, but criminals would love to find you... And then they will launder what they take from you. Or maybe lets forget KYC and educate people to not do foolish things like holding a large sum in an online wallet, reusing addresses, and leaving traces that could make third parties correlate address with person.

Well i guess you could also diversify and invest in other things. Laundering is nothing new, and has been always done with fiat. Bitcoin is not at fault, and things like KYC are an external artifact from an outdated system/society.

Nice try, hacker! :D (jk)

This probably goes as bad as receiving a paycheck from someone right after they've finished a murder goes. Both the issue and the way it could go depends solely on the other parties. In your case, depends on the way the exchange sees it. If the coins were received by the exchange from an address that received the said BTC straight from a hack/crime, the coins will automatically be considered suspicious and, in consequence, will probably be seized until authorities decide whether you are innocent or not.

Guess they could prove that it's the same guy if the guy didn't protect his identity in the process (and by identity, I am talking about IPs as well). And honestly, I personally think that intel agencies are sometimes going a bit deeper into the line than the laws allow them to..

But why send money to another address you own directly when you can just take a few more minutes of your time and lower the chances of getting caught?


Oh man, give me 1400BTC and I will happily split them into even 20k addresses! i'd actually love to do so!

Analysis has shown this is not the case. The majority of funds deposited to mixers comes directly from exchanges such as Coinbase and Binance from people looking to increase their privacy. Only a minority of mixer coins come from darknet markets or other potentially illegal sources.

Cash is used to scam people. Should we make that illegal? Encryption is used by criminals. Why isn't that illegal? The internet is used by pedophiles, cars are used by bank robbers, guns are used by terrorists.

If you make illegal perfectly legitimate goods or services which have been misused by some, then pretty much everything would be illegal. As with most things privacy related, governments and law enforcement sticking their noses in to your business, building backdoors in to messaging apps, trying to ban encryption, tapping your phone lines, monitoring your internet history, or even banning mixers, does next to nothing to stop criminals and terrorists. It is a mass surveillance tool, nothing more.

I can't understand why anyone involved in bitcoin would be pushing for less privacy, not more.

There is a big difference with your examples. Cash is helping the society more legally, than illegally. Encryption is helping the way internet works more legally, than illegally. The internet is helping more innocent people than pedophiles and so on with the other examples.

But if mixers are used 90% for illegal purposes you have to see the thing a little more ethically no matter how much you like privacy.

Because Bitcoin mixers don't work in the way that you described.

They mix the inputs and outputs of a huge number of addresses in such a way that you can't tell who sent what to where.

In this situation, the only thing you can really tell is that all of these people likely used a mixer, but you can't prove why they did it or whether they were engaged in any illegal activity.

Simply using a mixer isn't an illegal activity, and people often use them simply for privacy reasons.

If you sent 1 BTC to 1,400 different addresses manually, it's possible blockchain analytics and forensics teams could use the timestamps of the recipient addresses and their onwards transactions to piece together a common origin.

More chaos = harder to reverse the transaction tree.

Please read my previous replies. As I've said multiple times in this thread, the majority of coins passed through mixers are entirely legal.

Go and watch this presentation from Chainalysis: https://register.gotowebinar.com/recording/8980410054773689612 (you can enter any details in the the name and email boxes, it is irrelevant). If you don't want to watch the whole thing, skip to 37:12.

Only 8% of mixer activity is stolen funds. The majority of funds come directly from exchanges.

https://hashed.universdev.com/only-8-of-mixed-crypto-coins-tied-to-illicit-activity-report/

Hope you missed the news about BestMixer.io where the authorities raided them and arrested the owners claiming that they helped launder hacked BTCitcoins and on hearing the news another mixer bitblender ceased their operation and the owner went missing owing customers their coins.

Don't you think that you are contradicting here, which data and analysis gives you the value that 90% of the coins mixed are for illegal purposes. There is only a few trusted mixers in the market and if anyone has to come up with a data like this they need to crack their mixing techniques, i have not seen anyone breaking any mixers in recent times, i have seen mixers getting busted in the past because they lack good mixing techniques and people were able to determine the output mixed coins and those mixers are dead and dusted.

If you are talking ethics, everyone has their rights to privacy and i would like to hide the destination of my coins from exchanges or gambling sites but that does not mean i am doing anything illegal, it is my rights to my privacy ethically and morally and if anyone has to see my destination they need to provide a court document implicating me.

Despite all this, if there are legal implications from using mixed coins, i might distance myself from doing so as i do not have the time to fight the legal battle to prove every time that i am not doing anything illegal and not because of ethics or morality.

Mixers only make it harder for your mixed coins to be traced. It's highly probable that, if I ever commit a mistake and somehow link my coins to my identity, I will mix them afterwards for no illegal reasons. Wanting to have privacy is not illegal activity. This applies to everything: using cash instead of card, old Nokia phones instead of Google-infected "smartphones", Signal instead of WhatsApp etc. Pedophiles using Signal is not and will never be a reason to enforce me to use Zucc's data-collecting falsely-encrypted WhatsApp.

Some people use burner phones to avoid having their main phone number found out. I do this as well. The fact that drug dealers also use burner phones doesn't mean I should not have access to purchasing them.

Saying that cash is helping the society more legally than illegally makes me smile. I can't even imagine how much cash is used every single hour in tax evasions alone. Romanian bars do this on a regular basis: take the customer's cash but keep it in your pocket and don't print the paycheck so that, as a business owner, you don't pay taxes for your earnings. There are probably so many billions of money in cash all around the world that are cashed in on a monthly basis without taxes being paid.

Everything is going to have an illegal use case as long as criminals find a way to do it. Probably even soap or rubber ducks. Even after we get CBDCs and cash goes out, there will be other ways to do illegal stuff without being on the radar. We simply cannot have the perfect thing. You can't have freedom but not have it. You have to choose between the two.

Remember, mixers are only there for improving your privacy. They do not support illicit activity, as far as I am aware. And my personal opinion is... even if mixers were used in a significant percentage for illegal activity, banning them means taking away my right to privacy. This is what people don't get: we're literally setting our own right to privacy on fire by wrongfully placing privacy and crimes in the same pot.

The purpose of mixer was not for money laundering and it to provide people the privacy they need which is the reason why they are legal not because hackers seized the opportunity of using it.

No, they are not and if you're whale you'll understand that you actually need to keep your holding from the public and not to be hackers target thats the usefulness of mixer.

This is a sad story but you never provide a link or another other form of evidence to be sure the incident wasnt a fabricated story.
Back to your the why mixers? Crypto mixer come in the picture when people are advised not to use a single wallet thrice for security reasons.

Creating 1400 addresses would be stressful and it will be better to move those coins to privacy wallets while send some portion of it once in a while to the tumbler site.

And what if it was used for laundering. It's not the fault of the mixer that someone uses it to commit a crime.
It's also not the fault of a knifemaker that his product can be used to kill


And what if I simply earn coins every month and want to hide from people who know my address like my employer what and where I'm buying?

Most people have something to hide. If you keep exposing your privacy to the world sooner or later you'll regret it.

I think I've seen whales did that, they've spread a lot of bitcoins for different addresses through batches.

Right.

Not the mixers fault, it's used in general for the privacy and anonymity of the users.

Well, just because of misused of those bitcoin mixers. The purpose should only for the privacy to avoid of being hacked and not for money laudering.
Example, --if you have a huge of bitcoin and you want to send it to your main wallet. You need to use bitcoin mixer just to hide where it goes and hacker will not be able to trace where your bitcoin sent and it should not be linked to your identity upon using costudial wallet that has your full personal information. But unfortunately, bitcoin mixers are used for fraudulent and the home to exit scammers of what they hack not to able to trace.

Its one of the cons and you cant stop people for them to use up mixers for illegal purposes thats why they do really get that negative impressions from some people that mixers are used for mixing
those illegal funds or making use to launder money which is partly true since its actual use do really enclosed nor do include such scenarios but actually its just really for privacy purposes.

On the situation had been illustrated then no hacker would waste up his time and fees on just sending 1Btc to 1400 addresses just to have a breakdown and dont able to be traced basing off on the original address but
if it were meant to be traced then it would really be easy since it would have only 1 input which do came from that 1400 BTC original address unlike if you do make use of mixers then
tracing it up would already be pain in the ass.

Why do end up on that 1btc >>> 1400 address analysis? hehe

The mixer is used by everyone for their privacy, but it's also a tool for bad guys to use to launder money.
The US government has also condemned mixers, but some still work and people love mixers.
Sending 1 bitcoin to 1,400 addresses can be quite complicated, but it is a way to avoid control and confuse everyone.

I like the concise analogy here on if Mixers only served criminal purposes.

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Back to the OP, I don't know why anyone would take the risk of stocking such a huge number of Bitcoin in a single wallet putting into consideration the value of the coin in today's world. I wouldn't leave more than 10bitcoin in a single wallet if I had such an amount as stated in the OP or if I were a whale and had more. It's the same way I won't keep more than 1 YFI in a single wallet.

The idea behind Mixers is to remove the direct link between the different Bitcoin addresses on the Blockchain. So nobody will be able to trace the original tokens to it's source or original address. Some hackers (criminals) use this service to hide their stash that they acquired through illegal actions and other people use this to protect their financial wealth.

You have a right to protect your private financial data.. and Mixers provide that protection. If you get cash from say a XBox you sold and you hide that under your bed, then you are protecting your financial data... and this is what Mixers offer you too, because nobody can trace your "savings" in Bitcoin, if you push all the tokens/coins you receive...through a Mixer and then to your Cold wallet. (Long-term storage)  ;)

Seems it's quite hard to convince OP about Bitcoin mixer. We know the main goal of using a mixer is to cut the chain link between addresses. Do you think why should hackers split 1400BTC to 1400 addresses since he could split it by one click? Sending BTC different addresses will not cut the chain links and that's the reason why hackers using mixers to sell their bitcoin shortly. Hackers are smarter than us and they wouldn't waste their time creating lots of addresses where even they couldn't cut the chain link. Alcohol is made to treat general peoples, but if people use it in the wrong way then it doesn't mean alcohol isn't necessary. Same as for mixer, it has been discovered to hide your identity and cut the chain link but scammers/hackers using it the wrong way. If hackers do not cut the link between address, then obviously they will face problems somehow.

I think there's no need to continue the debate when there's no source quoted to support your opinion. Saying "if 90% mixer transactions" is as good as "90% of bank transactions are for money laundering in my opinion".

Just because a feature is used negatively by the bad ones among us doesn't mean it is totally bad. Take crowdfunding, DeFi etc as a case study, these are brilliant idea but currently newn abused. Like most users have already highlighted, mixers are only there to increase your privacy. These days it seems people no longer care about their privacy which is obviously why the big firms are profiting big time from our ignorance. Imagine moving a large amount of bitcoin from an exchange that already has all your sensitive information gotten through the kyc procedure you completed before having full access to the advance feature of the exchange.

Without the help of mixers there's no way or easier way to do this without reviewing to the exchange, the new wallet the coins are moving to. Your judging is been clouded by the fact you think mixers are only there to profit just the scammers but that's not the case. Mixers are been used exchanges too.

thats sick but why not create 5 or 10  new addresses instead of 1400 ? but the amount your going to send is much bigger but who will think that you are a hacker when you send chunks and chunks of coins ? why can they just think that it was a whale  ? or unless they think that a whale that moves large amounts of btc are also a hacker  .

and why not ? if mixers can add extra security or privacy to you . you will use it if especially if you are guilty of stealing that coins from someone else .mixers were always involved when there are online crimes but the issue were already addressed to the mixer owners that they shoud should verify their users atleast if those funds are stolen or not  .

I don't see anything called useless here, mixers are for those who want their identity secure without a trace but for money laundry this depends on individual aims. personally i used mixers for safe identity, not because am into money laundry of a thing. Bitcoin Mixers play vital role in keeping the anonymity of any Bitcoin holder who want his identity safe. 

If you are going to as this, you should also ask why Bitcoin is legal. That is because one of the main characteristic of Bitcoin is provide you with complete anonymity and privacy with your Bitcoins. It will be upon the realization of the person whether to use Bitcoin for good or to use it in frauds. That is the thing I like about Bitcoin, it gave me the complete privacy and freedom to transact if I want anytime, anywhere. And if happens that we read a news about this kind of hacking again, it is not Bitcoin mixers to blame but the person behind it. That is why we should keep our Bitcoin's safe and be cautious with it.

There are a lot of people would like to use the mixers because the address who received the payment will be mixed or generated a new address so there is no worries about the hacker also some of them for sure will now rotate the funds even there is a transaction fee they will ignore this because the main objective is rotate the money and leave some foot print or we called as the digital foot print in the internet.

The mixer was not meant to serve scammers as a money laundering tool, it helps people to ensure the privacy of their money and to keep the money safe from hackers' attention.
But accidentally mixing is also a way for hackers to launder money. Just like Bitcoin, monero, dash, Zec ... these cryptocurrencies are not born to serve criminals but they have been used to launder money.
As well as money in your bank account. You have to pay taxes on your income but if you want privacy no one will notice you switching to crypto or anything else of value.
There are two sides to everything.

Agreed. Let's say we did ban mixers. What do people think is going to happen? Criminals will just throw their hands up and say "Oh well, that's my life of crime over, better go get a 9-5 job and be a law abiding citizen."? Of course not. They will use coinjoin, or payjoin, or whirlpool, or atomic swaps, or DEXs, or the thousands of ways they can launder cash which have been going on for hundreds of years. As the old saying (kind of) goes, if you make privacy illegal, then only criminals will have privacy.

Bitcoin is absolutely not completely anonymous. If it were, we wouldn't need things like mixers in the first place.

Look deeper - no one will ask where a person got this bitcoin, since all bitcoin transactions are transparent and you can see who sent it to whom and when. All these wallets that will contain one bitcoin will eventually lead to one wallet and this will cause a huge number of questions. In any case, all transactions are transparent and you need to keep this in mind.

Mixers are legal because it is suppose to be used in legal way, hiding your real identity and for privacy of transactions. Some people are just taking advantage of it using it to launder money and even scam people without getting traced using mixers.

I think that @o_e_l_e_o and @20kevin20 said correctly why mixers should exist legally and they changed my mind. In what I really agree is that banning them, doesn't mean that it will damage the criminals. They will find another way like monero etc. So yes, since privacy matters, then mixers matter too.

P.S, great debate for your signature campaign, o_e_l_e_o  ;)

Yes, I agree, but as a conclusion of the posts above you, you can use a knife to make a great dinner or to kill someone. It doesn't make the knife illegal, but the person who uses it to murder.

While i agree with everything that's been said here, the problem in these type of situations is that government's often don't care about this. Most end up taking a heavy handed approach to these issues and push out or at least attempt to push out bans even when they know themselves that such bans will be difficult to enforce. It doesn't matter to them that criminals will always manage to find away around their bans and it is always the average user that ends up bearing the brunt of their arbitrary laws.


Take Tax laws as an example here. Most states try to impose heavy penalties including imprisonment etc for non payment of taxes, late filings etc. Again this is done to deter criminal and large organizations yet most times its the little guy that ends up getting targeted or bearing the brunt of these laws while the larger entities who can hire the best lawyers ( or the best options that money can buy depending on what scenario we are talking about) will often find a loop hole around the problem.




Yea the thing with any technology or anything for that matter is that there will always be some people who use said product in an illegal manner . That however does not mean that any fault lies in  the product only in the entity using it.

You are spot on here, and this is by no means unique to cryptocurrencies. Regulations aimed at building backdoors in to end-to-end encryption messengers or the ever hilarious "banning encryption", and laws such as the "EARN IT" Act or the newer "Lawful Access to Encrypted Data" Act. And this kind of nonsense is by no means unique to the US, with governments around the world introducing similar laws and bills aimed at removing all privacy for the common citizen. Despite being unable to prove a single instance where this kind of privacy invasion has prevented a crime, the US government pushes ahead with it nonetheless under the guise of "safety" and "won't you think of the children!". It is mass surveillance, nothing more, nothing less.

Having said that, however, we should be by no means just rolling over and accepting it. If we let the governments of the world pass these kinds of laws with no fight, then any and all privacy will rapidly become a thing of the past. And when it comes to bitcoin, that means the community not accepting ever more invasive KYC and certainly not rubbishing the vital service that things like mixers and coinjoins provide.

Yes whether in Bitcoin or some other facet of life you have to fight these things or states will just take one liberty at time inch by inch, all the while having the gall to brand you and anyone else that talks about about privacy and mass surveillance as some sort of conspiracy theorist nut job or as someone who is being selfish and not thinking of the greater good. However nothing can be used as an excuse/justifaction for actions like this or we will soon find our selves in an Orwellian.  

I think the best example of this is the Prisim debacle ( which many people seem to have either forgotten or simply ignored) where despite being caught red handed the government working hand in hand with many media outlets was able to change the whole narrative from one of spying/mass surveillance ( which ironically we so quickly condemn other nations for however when we do it, it is only for the greater good, orwellian much) to one of treason ( for disclosing our governments illegal activities against our own citizens) against the Edward Snowden.

Not all transactions run into Bitcoin mixer are illegal or something say it was coming from scamming or hacking. No, the mixer doesn't rush to make questions with that to a person who did the transfer. But, don't you surprise hearing some hackers get in hunts with the authorities because of their crimes? The mixer does the monitoring of every transaction and if that is suspicious, they'll have to trace it where it comes and whos owned the wallet address.

On the first place, I don't have any idea what does the bitcoin mixer is because when I'm making a transaction I just send the address and add some transaction fee that's it and a friend of mine introduced me a bitcoin mixer and this helps to make my transaction anonymously and also im trusting him I just try to transfer some little amount of funds and it works well.

So I think that many people would like to commit or do this kind of use with the mixer because they can easily manipulate the number of transactions and make it anonymously even there is a small transaction fee amount it's nothing because it's better to become safe.

Also, I have a question too is there any possibility you can detect the main address at the same time the transaction ID even with the use of mixer.?

Yes. If you use a mixer of poor quality, then it is possible to break the mixer and link inputs and outputs together. See this discussion for more information: Breaking Mixing Services (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117328.0).

Even if you use a high quality mixer, then you can still de-anonymize yourself in other ways. If I send coins from address A to the mixer and then from the mixer to address B, and I later use address A and B in the same transaction, or use A and B in different transactions but both paired with address C, for example, then it is trivial to link these addresses back together.

Many of the big guys are working off grid with corrupted governments anyway, so we, the lower classes, end up being treated the crappiest way although the vast majority of us are the most compliant. Tax laws are there for the poor to pay, as large companies and multi-millionaires afford having off-shore accounts and various ways to legally minimize taxes while we pay ours under fear.

This is exactly why we should never look past privacy as if it shouldn't be there. If it goes away, the big ones are going to be private while we'll have to comply with pathetic regulations and restrictions, sharing every little detail of our private life under the "fight against criminal activity". Privacy should be part of our lives, one of our main rights and something you shouldn't feel like it's shrinking on a daily basis. Presumption of innocence should mean that we should not have to fear being tagged as criminals for willing to be the only persons knowing where one of our assets go, how many we hold and what we're doing with them.

Using mixers is basically the same thing as cashing out your bank account balance and hiding it in some well-hidden safe in your house: nobody knows how much you have left, if there are other stacks of cash inside the vault, if anyone else holds any of your just cashed out sum and so on. Guess that's one of the main reasons why they desperately want to push the cashless society to the front. All anyone knows besides you is how much you've cashed out. Keep that money in a "transparent ledger" (transparent for the banks and authorities, not for everyone unlike Bitcoin) and they'll know the course of every single penny you hold.

If there's one interesting thing I have noticed, it's that constantly banning various services, use cases and opportunities you have with BTC (introducing KYC restrictions on exchanges, having almost no more anonymous ATMs around, Binance freezing accounts for using mixers etc) only makes me want to go even more off the grid and find even better ways to hide under a cloud of privacy.

I still do not understand why people put up with this. They use a centralized exchange and say "Oh well, KYC is the price I have to pay". Then the exchange gets hacked and leaks personal information and they say "Oh well, if my info has already been compromised, then I might as well just keep using the exchange". Then the exchange starts locking accounts and they say "Well, they haven't locked my account yet so I'll just keep using them". And then the exchange starts dictating how they can spend their coins, or selling their data, or working with governments, and they come up with some other excuse.

When does it end? What does an exchange actually have to do for 99% of crypto users to say "Enough is enough"? How much control over their bitcoin and their lives will they let the exchange take before they look elsewhere?

I laughed at 'creating 1400 addresses'. I don’t think anyone, whether your a hacker or not, would have that kind of time to sit down and create up to 1400 cryptocurrency addresses and then start moving one Bitcoin to each of them, like you’re going to do that up to 1400 times, lol like who will have that kind of time?

By the way, I think if you’re creating addresses on the same computer you can still be traced not hundred per cent sure about this though, just saying; but if those addresses are running on the same comp, you will caught. But no one has that time, so they will make use of mixers to escape.

theres wallet that are almost instant or no sign up required . they can used it  , sending coin is also quick ( not the process ) but thats not a problem because coins will still arrived soon .

 by that theyd be able to complete the task within a few hours and lets not forget that they also have friends to do the task with them  but we forgot that they are hackers  . hackers are pretty slick and dont want such hustle , they can think of less stressful ways to cleanse the coins .

As long as there are people with ill intent then that will be a problem. Privacy is important when it comes to online finances and the crimes that have been perpetrated does not outweigh the benefits of anonymity. I agree that money laundering is a big problem but if investigations and audits were efficient then they can apprehend who's behind the laundering.

When there's an investigation the authorities will trace all the transactions especially the amount involve is a significant amount.

If the hacker send the hack BTC to an exchange where he slowly withdraw according the limit using a non verified account then the exchange would never know if who owns the bitcoin, however, there are always a trail since everything goes to the blockchain and the exchange knows the transaction.

If the hacker then will send the btc to a mixer, then I would say it's hard to find but it's not impossible since like I said everything goes in the blockhain and I don't know if it's possible for a mixer to cooperate with the authorities.

And besides there are cases now that being resolved and some of them comes from using mixers yet they have been found.
I think this is why governments are very strict in Mixing company and couple had been banned and stop operation this past years.
Only the strongest and finest remain like Chipmixer.
Money laundering is not only in Crypto because like what says here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277249.0

Banks is more on the option of criminals before bitcoin even arrived.

This is not a difficult or time consuming thing to do. In a good wallet you can generate that many addresses with a single command, and then a couple more commands to generate a few pay to many transactions to distribute 1 BTC to each address. Doable in 5 minutes.

A good mixer, like a good VPN, should not keep logs and so be unable to give any useful information to the authorities. If your mixer is handing over your transaction details to the authorities, then I would suggest that you find a new mixer.