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Title: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: btcethgold on October 01, 2020, 06:04:49 AM
Hello all friends,

Thanks to all who always reply and try to put their points to make things better in this crypto place.

Today i request you all to give your inputs on
what features should be there in a DEX so that the price of a token does not crash on day of launching and how it can sustain momentum.

thanks



Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: joniboini on October 01, 2020, 06:55:28 AM
One of the easiest way is to put a limit on how low an order can take place. But I don't think that aligns with the "decentralized" part. Who wants to use an exchange where the developer can change the limit easily?

Maybe it's the team obligation to put up a buy wall or enough liquidity to prevent that from happening, not the DEX itself.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: cabron on October 01, 2020, 07:11:10 AM

There is just no way for the token not to crash unless the team makes it worthwhile for investors to hold and buy as well. The dividends concept I think had been deployed to other DEX project, it at least attracts investors but making the holders stake the token to allow the stakers to mine valuable tokens at the same time also worked for EOS DEX. I know this had been done by some DEX already but if it worked for them, its gonna work for others.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: btcethgold on October 01, 2020, 01:05:32 PM
Thanks to both of you. Yes it mainly depends on the team's allocations and locking of supply.
also what a new Dex can offer to new listings that makes them apart from other dexes.
 hope to hear more solutions.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: posi on October 01, 2020, 01:28:16 PM
When the token is launch on DEX it is expected to dump in price but the strategy put in place by the project team is what will help the price of the token an example is UNI despite the huge airdrop done by uniswap the token still manage to maintain $4 price range.
Whats uniswap did is used the dividend and also manipulate the price of the market making sure the demand is good fo help the token price this is what the team behind the precious metals backed project that claims their token price is equal the price of gold does.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: pooya87 on October 01, 2020, 04:03:22 PM
what features should be there in a DEX so that the price of a token does not crash on day of launching and how it can sustain momentum.
you mean a token that the DEX itself creates or the tokens that are listed on that DEX?
you can't control the price of different tokens/altcoins, the market will always decide what the price should be based on supply and demand. and tokens being useless don't have any real demand apart from short term gamblers so they will always dump, most of them at the beginning because at this point people know there isn't any future for those tokens so they want to get out quick.
if it is the token the DEX devs want to create then again the same rules apply with the addition that the DEX itself will also look bad as it raised a lot of funds and didn't do anything while its token value tanked.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: milewilda on October 01, 2020, 05:54:32 PM
Hello all friends,

Thanks to all who always reply and try to put their points to make things better in this crypto place.

Today i request you all to give your inputs on
what features should be there in a DEX so that the price of a token does not crash on day of launching and how it can sustain momentum.

thanks



There's no such feature but some people above do talk about setting limits but this is totally opposing the essence of decentralization.When it comes to price movement of  token then preventing for it to
crash is the most impossible thing unless if the project team itself do get ahold of most coin supply and then can dump the price anytime but when the total supply or big portion of it had been
distributed already into its investors then theres no way that you can stop them to dump those tokens or coin if it gets listed on an exchange.Demand will be the only reason for token price increase
and if it isnt present or didnt happen into a project then expect for it to die sooner or later.Supply and Demand was just a basic rule into this market and if you do see your project had no demand
then you would expect on what would happen.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: wxa7115 on October 01, 2020, 09:04:12 PM
Hello all friends,

Thanks to all who always reply and try to put their points to make things better in this crypto place.

Today i request you all to give your inputs on
what features should be there in a DEX so that the price of a token does not crash on day of launching and how it can sustain momentum.

thanks


You are looking at this from the wrong perspective, to begin with if a DEX is doing something to avoid the crash of a coin then most likely it cannot be considered to be a DEX on the first place do not you think?

The second issue is why anyone should do something about it? If the price of a coin crashes after launch then let it crash, that is what the free market entails, everyone is happy when a coin goes up in value and I do not see anyone complaining when that happens, but if the price goes down suddenly it is the end of the world, if the price of a coin crashes then that is what the market as a whole wanted and most likely it is what the coin deserved and nothing should be done about it.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: hugeblack on October 02, 2020, 08:54:16 AM
The launch day is the day that witnesses a lot of liquidity, so if there is not a lot of cash flow to make the demand for the symbol equivalent to the quantity offered, the price will collapse.
Continuing to pump liquidity, i.e. increasing demand for the currency is the key, whether it is a real demand or by pumping more liquidity with it.

Generally, if you are not a scammer and your project is well programmed that has a good roadmap, the fluctuations that occur from time to time will not affect the price in the long run.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: joniboini on October 02, 2020, 09:11:38 AM
also what a new Dex can offer to new listings that makes them apart from other dexes.
Listing requirement maybe. Something like  making sure that team ownership of the token is public, and locked (depends on how the team said it to public). Other than that, I'm not sure. Maybe generic advantage such as lower fees, faster order matching, etc. But you'd probably need to develop new protocol for that. Most DEX protocols that I know depends too much on ETH network.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: bitgolden on October 02, 2020, 04:32:50 PM
There is no way to stop it if you just gave everyone free money, what do you expect people to do? Get free money and not cash out? Obviously, they are going to sell it first thing and they are going to make it go down in price as well, which is not what you want but you just gave them free thousands of dollars obviously you should have seen it coming if you did that.

However if you do not give people free money, you could maybe potentially stop it from happening, just make them invest to it if they want to, or just keep it all yourself, if anyone wants to buy sell it on market price and if they do not want to buy let them stay without it for a while and get it listed on exchange and when it happens you won all the coin so you can sell it for whatever price you see fit.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: Quidat on October 02, 2020, 05:19:50 PM
The launch day is the day that witnesses a lot of liquidity, so if there is not a lot of cash flow to make the demand for the symbol equivalent to the quantity offered, the price will collapse.
Continuing to pump liquidity, i.e. increasing demand for the currency is the key, whether it is a real demand or by pumping more liquidity with it.

Generally, if you are not a scammer and your project is well programmed that has a good roadmap, the fluctuations that occur from time to time will not affect the price in the long run.
It all varies with the projects true potential because even it would dump into its earlier phase or on the time that it gets listed but later on the price had comeback and recovered then that
symbolizes that this coin does really have that enough or sufficient support which can really hold up for its value to be on the average line neither that one is truly a support or just
some show off from the team itself but it can really be find out when the time do passed because price bubble cant really hold up that long.In speaking of on how for a coin/token to survive
then no one can because demand will be the primary driving force for it to happen.If investors do like to dump those worthless tokens then you cant do anything as a project owner.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: Nellayar on October 02, 2020, 05:41:02 PM
The exchanges or market can`t do nothing when it comes to price. Market players trigger the price of the project. Either there is a selling pressure or the demand will overwhelm the market. Actually, it depends on how the project hyped the traders and investors. If they have a good development and purpose, assume that the new coin listed in exchange will be sold easily. Look what happened to Uniswap wherein it arise above 1000x than its price before. It just shows that uniswap has a lot of supporters compared to other projects.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: Insanerman on October 02, 2020, 09:53:16 PM
Today i request you all to give your inputs on
what features should be there in a DEX so that the price of a token does not crash on day of launching and how it can sustain momentum.
thanks

There's no really a certainty that the token you've have wouldn't crash/dump its price in a day. Have you tried joining bounty campaigns back then when it was still trustable? If you haven't, then you're quite lucky. Even those platforms and tokens that says "DEX" can still be a fraud and could manage to have their price went from a certain price point on their initial price release, onto nothingness. Hence, you couldn't really survive if those scammers would rather dump the price as they already gained money on investments, but you can still try not to be scammed at the first place by simply investigating the legitimacy of a certain token.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: jostorres on October 03, 2020, 04:23:21 AM
I believe that this is a task that should be left for the team. When you’re just an investor there is really nothing you can do about it, that’s why it’s being said that a good team matters. As long as the team is able to continue doing things that can help in retaining their investors, then there is nothing to worry about there, the market will continue to be growing.

Although the part you’re talking about the market price not crashing, I don’t think that’s going to be possible, there will always be time that the market will crash, maybe due to demand and supply or an event that affects every market. And there will also be times it will grow. As long as the team is playing their part right, the space will keep growing and investors will be ready to invest, as people are selling , more people are buying.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: TheUltraElite on October 03, 2020, 05:50:15 AM
what features should be there in a DEX so that the price of a token does not crash on day of launching and how it can sustain momentum.
You are asking for a feature that is completely non-existant in the cryptocurrency space. What you mean is essentially regulation of a market from flash pump and dump seen in stock markets.

Now I dont mean that traditional markets are not manipulated but bringing such a system to crypto would mean three things in that order : Regulation of markets> CEXs controlling the volume/day>DEXs laughing at them. It is complete opposite of how these markets go. DEXs would never try to control the volume/day. If they did, people would stop using them citing regultion as a type of oppression. ::)

On the other hand a project owner can decide to change the token economics in a way that even if a big party dumps the market wont crash a lot. But this is a tough thing to do.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: boyptc on October 03, 2020, 07:48:01 AM
what features should be there in a DEX so that the price of a token does not crash on day of launching and how it can sustain momentum.
Dumping or crash is inevitable.

It's very normal for DEX or CEX to have this happen. If there's no dump that's likely to be an unstable market or there's something wrong. You can't stop investors or people who supported you during the sale to dump a token if they find it only for dumping.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: Hippocrypto on October 03, 2020, 08:36:04 AM
We can't have the assurance for a coin to remain consistent with it's price on an exchange, because crypto price has no stable value. Every holders had their own purpose, and they're always dependent with the news and trend analysis. However, in times of bullrun there's always a bigger surprise once you've survive during the bearish period.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: SquallLeonhart on October 03, 2020, 10:29:43 AM
Dex is not responsible for keeping the coin price high, dex is responsible to make the trading smooth and that's it, they do not have any other responsibilities when it comes to coins, as far as they know coin could skyrocket or dump and as long as the exchange works properly everything is great.

It is the projects responsibility that people do not dump their coin, if they do and that token becomes almost worthless that means the project was a bad project and nobody believes in it, if it was a good project some people would have bought it and not all would have sold it (no matter how great some do sell) and the price would either go lower just a tiny bit or stay the same (and even maybe go up a bit). DEX can't do anything about bad projects but just not list them.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: Twinkledoe on October 03, 2020, 10:37:58 AM
The launch day is the day that witnesses a lot of liquidity, so if there is not a lot of cash flow to make the demand for the symbol equivalent to the quantity offered, the price will collapse.
Continuing to pump liquidity, i.e. increasing demand for the currency is the key, whether it is a real demand or by pumping more liquidity with it.

Generally, if you are not a scammer and your project is well programmed that has a good roadmap, the fluctuations that occur from time to time will not affect the price in the long run.

But unfortunately, not many projects have sincere mission in the crypto space. Because a real project with very solid foundation will always survive, there may be dump from the beginning but they can always rise. That is, if the team's tokens are not dumped. Because the allocation in their marketing or bounty programs is very small, so should not really significantly affect their market. So you will know which projects are real or not, if they can't recover from the initial dump and will continue to decrease up until no more is interested to trade their tokens, then that project is more than likely managed by scammers.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: Emitdama on October 05, 2020, 08:11:38 PM
Today i request you all to give your inputs on
what features should be there in a DEX so that the price of a token does not crash on day of launching and how it can sustain momentum.
The reason why the price of any token would drop once it’s launched is because there are always lots of investors that are ready to sell their token once the project goes live, and once these people start selling their share, the market begins to fall.

So, what the team has to do is to work hard in promoting their platform and also focus on building a platform that is better than others, something that can attract more investors, so that when some of the investors are leaving, there will also be new investors that are coming , and also for them to be able to retain most of the old investors.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: wxa7115 on October 05, 2020, 08:40:40 PM
Dex is not responsible for keeping the coin price high, dex is responsible to make the trading smooth and that's it, they do not have any other responsibilities when it comes to coins, as far as they know coin could skyrocket or dump and as long as the exchange works properly everything is great.

It is the projects responsibility that people do not dump their coin, if they do and that token becomes almost worthless that means the project was a bad project and nobody believes in it, if it was a good project some people would have bought it and not all would have sold it (no matter how great some do sell) and the price would either go lower just a tiny bit or stay the same (and even maybe go up a bit). DEX can't do anything about bad projects but just not list them.
It is that simple, it seems some traders have not assimilated the first and most important rule when it comes to trading which is, if you have decided to begin trading then you need to prepare yourself for your eventual losses, it seems they want to trade in this market in whatever coin they want and then earn a fortune without incurring in any risk and such a thing is impossible.

If you want to take the risk of investing in new coins despite the huge number of scams then you are on your own and if you lose all your money you cannot blame anyone except yourself because you should have known beforehand the kind of market in which you were getting into.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: Danslip on October 05, 2020, 09:07:01 PM
The only way to prevent the price of dumping is to intervene by the team or DEX side. DEX team can't ask from the seller to put higher limit order or ask from buyers to increase demand for a specific time, there will be always price advantage lookers who will not ignore the profit with speculative orders. 


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: MCobian on October 05, 2020, 10:38:33 PM
DEX cannot prevent crashes when the tokens are launched, it is the project's developer team's job to keep the price of the tokens
from being dumped. My advice is to lock some of the supply tokens, so the number of tokens that can be traded is limited.
Do promotions to be able to increase demand for these tokens, and listings on many popular exchanges help increase demand for tokens.
This step can make the price of tokens survive, it can even make the price of tokens hype if developer team do the promotion properly.



Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: stomachgrowls on October 05, 2020, 10:52:56 PM
Today i request you all to give your inputs on
what features should be there in a DEX so that the price of a token does not crash on day of launching and how it can sustain momentum.
The reason why the price of any token would drop once it’s launched is because there are always lots of investors that are ready to sell their token once the project goes live, and once these people start selling their share, the market begins to fall.

So, what the team has to do is to work hard in promoting their platform and also focus on building a platform that is better than others, something that can attract more investors, so that when some of the investors are leaving, there will also be new investors that are coming , and also for them to be able to retain most of the old investors.
All matters on the projects relevance on the first place because we know that not all coins/projects do pump are already considered one.It neither been driven by the hype or total support with the project and here comes the dump after being listed or a period of time.

For recent launching then theres no one can stop for coins price not to go down and as said it all matters to its investors itself but its no surprise that the main target is to secure out profits as early as you can because
as an investor and letting yourself getting behind on the line will surely make you miss out the right time to make money.So it isnt something new to see these events and this had already been the norm.

Only good projects do recover and the rest will die and be forgotten.This is why as a project owner then you should obliged yourself to make updates and do show up some progress on what the project had already done.
Either it already had followed its pre-sale promises or just stucked into those sweet words.

investors arent really that dumb that they would stick out into a thing if they do saw that theres no progress or shows of development because they can easily switch into things where they do saw
that has a potential and that can generate money for them.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: Viscore on October 05, 2020, 11:52:26 PM
Hello all friends,

Thanks to all who always reply and try to put their points to make things better in this crypto place.

Today i request you all to give your inputs on
what features should be there in a DEX so that the price of a token does not crash on day of launching and how it can sustain momentum.

thanks


No, it was not all about the feature of a certain DEX, it is all about the project itself. We can't deny that not all projects have the potentials, we know what will happen next with these coins. Even it was listed to known and reputable exchanges but it is not the guarantee that it helpt them to survive. They will still be ignored if investors never saw it. It was the project itself bringing them to crash as there is no reason also to survive.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: Kelvinid on October 06, 2020, 01:45:36 AM
DEX cannot prevent crashes when the tokens are launched, it is the project's developer team's job to keep the price of the tokens
from being dumped. My advice is to lock some of the supply tokens, so the number of tokens that can be traded is limited.
Do promotions to be able to increase demand for these tokens, and listings on many popular exchanges help increase demand for tokens.
This step can make the price of tokens survive, it can even make the price of tokens hype if developer team do the promotion properly.


However, most investors are neglected to see the potentials of the project but instead of looking into where it listed because they might be thinking that exchanges will help it grow which is not the case. The future of the projects relies on the hands of the developers and they should have to find a way to make things right and presentable to the community otherwise, they will be dead.

*social media campaigns
*signature/bounty campaign

-these will helps them to recognize.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: wxa7115 on October 09, 2020, 04:32:58 PM
The only way to prevent the price of dumping is to intervene by the team or DEX side. DEX team can't ask from the seller to put higher limit order or ask from buyers to increase demand for a specific time, there will be always price advantage lookers who will not ignore the profit with speculative orders. 
However this intervention will not only be dishonest but also very costly, there is a reason most currencies around the world are free floating and that is because you need to let the market to decide what it is its true price.

This is why when you see a bad governments on its last stages they always peg the value of their currency to a certain level, besides if they did that and another exchange refused to follow the game and the price of the coin was way cheaper there then an arbitrage opportunity will open and those that can will buy the coin at a cheap price and sell for an expensive price and they will do this over and over again until the exchange or the developers trying to maintain a high price for their coin run out of money.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: samcrypto on October 09, 2020, 11:07:29 PM
You can’t control the price once its already on a public market because the buyers and sellers are dictating the price and their moves will depend on how good your fundamental are and depends on what kind of service you are offering. If you want to survive then offer a good service and continue to improve your platform, the market will react on that positively.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: beerlover on October 11, 2020, 03:10:40 PM
Most of these places take your money at a certain value, I am not saying they should keep it at that value but if something goes %90+ down that means the team just took your money and left without doing anything else.

Normally if you gathered so much funds you should be able to actually end up with keeping the price above certain level, why would anyone end up with that much drop when they could use the funds they gathered from you to get the tokens they sold back? They could sell their token at 1 dollar each and when it drops to 0.5 cents they could buy it back and that way they would both have funds and also their tokens back. When people realize it is not going any further down they will keep buying higher and higher because they will not be able to sell any lower.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: wxa7115 on October 14, 2020, 06:50:23 PM
You can’t control the price once its already on a public market because the buyers and sellers are dictating the price and their moves will depend on how good your fundamental are and depends on what kind of service you are offering. If you want to survive then offer a good service and continue to improve your platform, the market will react on that positively.
Sometimes things are complex but in this case things are as simple as you are describing it, when and ico, ieo or whatever they are called now is held the developers can dictate whatever price they want for their coins and people need to decide if it is a fair price or not, however once the coin goes public then it is the market that decides what is the fair price of anything and if they decide the price of the coin needs to crash then it will do so.

Any developer trying to avoid this should stop making excuses and stop blaming bounty hunters and realize that if they want the price of their coin to keep growing then they are the ones that need to do a better job.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: Shasha80 on October 14, 2020, 10:43:51 PM
It's not easy to make the token price not crash when it's released on DEX, because investors will immediately take profit
if the tokens can be traded. A good promotional strategy from developer projects is needed so that demand tokens continue
to increase, take advantage of social media to promote these tokens. The key is in the promotion method, the better the promotion,
the more people will be known. And this will attract investors to buy these tokens.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: TheUltraElite on October 15, 2020, 05:37:33 AM
It's not easy to make the token price not crash when it's released on DEX, because investors will immediately take profit
if the tokens can be traded.
Majority of the token holders are looking for a short term gain of 10%  and they are happy with that. This is reasonable since most tokens anyway dont go beyond 10% in the long term either. Blame this on the fact that crypto projects are not like stock market listed projects. They are failure mostly and dumping them at that time is a good thing to do. Besides how many of them have any use case at all? Very few and thus very little hodling value.

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A good promotional strategy from developer projects is needed so that demand tokens continue to increase, take advantage of social media to promote these tokens. The key is in the promotion method, the better the promotion, the more people will be known. And this will attract investors to buy these tokens.
No you are wrong here. Promotional methods dont drag people to crypto, it is only the hype that surrounds new projects. Go for a social media campaign and you will get a bunch of Tier3 country users spamming it everywhere mindlessly and getting tagged by twitter spam control.

The point that grows a project's demand is an inherent market making method and a method to spend those coins at some advantage. This is lacking in almost any project.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: wxa7115 on October 21, 2020, 04:38:50 PM
It's not easy to make the token price not crash when it's released on DEX, because investors will immediately take profit
if the tokens can be traded.
Majority of the token holders are looking for a short term gain of 10%  and they are happy with that. This is reasonable since most tokens anyway dont go beyond 10% in the long term either. Blame this on the fact that crypto projects are not like stock market listed projects. They are failure mostly and dumping them at that time is a good thing to do. Besides how many of them have any use case at all? Very few and thus very little hodling value.
You are right on the points you make however I will argue that this market is more similar to the stock market when it comes to new tokens as it may seem at first sight, what happens is that the market of new coins is for the most part based on hype and once a new concept take hold that is when we see a bubble and we have a very recent example with DeFi coins.

But this also happen on the stock market, one of the most famous examples comes from the dot com bubble and while everyone remembers Google and Amazon many forget the hundreds if not thousands of new projects that ended up in failure or that were outright scams which used and abused new terminology no one understood to get a lot of money, sounds familiar? It should because that is what we see in bubbles in the altcoin market as well.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: TheUltraElite on October 22, 2020, 05:40:04 AM
-snip-
I got your point, but one thing is different, the SEC will regulate the stock market stocks but not the cryptocurrencies popping up everyday. When companies get delisted or liquidated the money of the investors is protected and returned to them properly but does this happen in crypto-projects which have been failures? Have any of the scams that happened got the money stolen, returned to the investors? Very few.

A token being listed based on whatever the project may be will never be comparable to mainstream markets because they are having a much bigger funding, fanbase, marketing and market making than any crypto project. Hence the point that most people coming in it are in there for the gains on listing day and not long term holding.

Because even they know that the project is a failure in the first place. :P


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: Xembin on October 22, 2020, 07:04:23 AM
As you all know, every trader want to make a good profit from their trading. Many traders are waiting for the market to change for their good before they can supply to the market to see if the price of the token will be suitable for them to release their coins.
Here are some ways we can survive token price on launch:
1) Information: was the information is well clear to trader that a particular project will soon change positively. Trader need
a clear information that will keep them to have faith in that particular project.
2) Stable: If the price of the token can keep pumping the way investors want it, I think it will help the token price not to crash.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: Dorodha on October 22, 2020, 07:06:20 AM
It is not easy to maintain the value of tokens in the introduction of Dex the customer needs to look at its reliability and determine its various strategies for how profitable it is. Nothing can be done in a hurry gradually try to increase its demand. Tokens are being scammed in the market so their price is going down but if you can offer good service then the demand for dex platforms will increase and the market will go up a lot.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: el kaka22 on October 23, 2020, 03:54:20 PM
There is no way that defi could have any long term affects on crypto, people assume that it would make a change but the reality is that defi is a one time thing that got a hype and eventually it will die down.

A lot of people assumed if ICO was the new stock market deal, companies all around the world would stop going to stock market and they would all have ICO instead of having public offering and that way they won't even lose ownership of their companies and only would have a coin backing them up, without even caring about dividends, it would be just for the looks so companies would earn billions without giving back anything.

Even that idea didn't latched to the companies, they are still giving ownership of their companies for far less money instead of doing ICO, same will happen to Defi, all this hype will die down very soon.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: Fredomago on October 23, 2020, 04:07:11 PM
It's not easy to make the token price not crash when it's released on DEX, because investors will immediately take profit
if the tokens can be traded. A good promotional strategy from developer projects is needed so that demand tokens continue
to increase, take advantage of social media to promote these tokens. The key is in the promotion method, the better the promotion,
the more people will be known. And this will attract investors to buy these tokens.

There's really a big impacts to the project when the team knows how to market their token/coin, maximizing the used of social medias gives them the chance to gather support from the people.

Investors are always looking for opportunities and once the coin is being available inside dex early holders will take the advantages and sell their holdings

The best thing to do is to have a certain plans in terms of buying back and provides good usages
to the coin, having partnerships to make sure that there's usages that will take place. Aside from
any attractive offers it should be the actual usages that supporters will look upon.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: RealMalatesta on October 23, 2020, 09:03:11 PM
Maybe you should not be trying to survive? Maybe that is not the case at all? Maybe you should be leaving like everyone else? I mean people think that a coin is great even if it drops at the launch and it could recover and I have to say that is not always true.

If a token is not good at all on the launch, like drops 50% on the first day, most likely outcome for the future would be barely recovery as well, if a token is amazing people will not sell on the launch day, they will want to buy and hold as much of that token as possible because it is an awesome one, not just sell and get out on the first day. This is why if you think a token launching on an exchange will drop, you should have a stop loss and get out as quickly as you can most of the time, there is rarely a few that could recover and that small number doesn't worth the risk.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on October 24, 2020, 03:26:07 AM
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Today i request you all to give your inputs on
what features should be there in a DEX so that the price of a token does not crash on day of launching and how it can sustain momentum.

It's not in the power of the exchange to prevent this from happening, it has to been the doings of the project developers. They have to make their project very promising that early investors won't have to dump the tokens on the market in the early begining instead be more interested in buying more from the market.

If an exchange decide to manipulate the market by prevent its natural course from happening, than it'll reflect on the market in the future as the project will still dump immediately they lose the backing of the exchange or other whales.

The latest market crashed review that irrespective of the dirty games played by the exchange as it was way obvious with the DeFi hype, still the natural course of the market plays out when the time was suitable for it.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: wxa7115 on October 25, 2020, 05:00:54 PM
I got your point, but one thing is different, the SEC will regulate the stock market stocks but not the cryptocurrencies popping up everyday. When companies get delisted or liquidated the money of the investors is protected and returned to them properly but does this happen in crypto-projects which have been failures? Have any of the scams that happened got the money stolen, returned to the investors? Very few.
That is a fair point, in fact of all the projects that have ended in failure the only ones that I remember giving whatever money they still had were the icos that had an escrow which was independent from the team and that only liberated a part of the funds once certain goals have been reached, this could be a good way to decrease the losses investors could suffer, but obviously many developers and scammers will be against this.



A token being listed based on whatever the project may be will never be comparable to mainstream markets because they are having a much bigger funding, fanbase, marketing and market making than any crypto project. Hence the point that most people coming in it are in there for the gains on listing day and not long term holding.

Because even they know that the project is a failure in the first place. :P
How I wish this was not true but I know that you are right, and while I know the main motivation behind those actions is their greed I wonder why people are still willing to go through that? What I mean is that they are basically gambling with their money with terrible odds and yet it seems as if they are completely blinded to the fact a bad scenario is way more likely than one that is positive, and when we consider they use all their money when investing in those awful coins it becomes clear they cannot afford themselves to lose that money and yet they use it as if that was the case.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: proTECH77 on October 25, 2020, 06:31:19 PM
Here are some ways you can survive token price launching in the market:
1) Season : Every market has is own luck of launching new prices that will attract more customers to release or hold their coins to their self base of the price. Many investors that sustain are those who really understand the season in the market.
2) holding: long coins holding can also help us to sustain token price because once the supply is low and the demand is high the market must surely change hand. Many investors will be rushing to release their coins on time before the demand will reduce.
3) Information: clear information can make you survive in token price launch. All you need is to check very well where and where the information about that project is coming from before release to market.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: Mahanton on October 25, 2020, 07:25:55 PM
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Today i request you all to give your inputs on
what features should be there in a DEX so that the price of a token does not crash on day of launching and how it can sustain momentum.

It's not in the power of the exchange to prevent this from happening, it has to been the doings of the project developers. They have to make their project very promising that early investors won't have to dump the tokens on the market in the early begining instead be more interested in buying more from the market.

If an exchange decide to manipulate the market by prevent its natural course from happening, than it'll reflect on the market in the future as the project will still dump immediately they lose the backing of the exchange or other whales.

The latest market crashed review that irrespective of the dirty games played by the exchange as it was way obvious with the DeFi hype, still the natural course of the market plays out when the time was suitable for it.
Only projects that actually had the potential will really sustain in the end on where  they didnt pull off something in manipulative manner.Investors or supporters arent that blind
not to see on what project is really worth to hold on and which is one isnt.Its true that never ever in this market even these platforms are the main places where trade market
do happen but theres no way that they can control out when it comes to demand of a certain project.They can manipulate but those are just on temporal basis and
once its over then you would see the true support where everyone had already cashed out their tokens and you do see up some recovery after that.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: Distinctin on October 26, 2020, 12:27:00 AM
It has come into the moment that new coming projects have less chance to survive, investors had never seen their potentiality. Besides, many of them have taken shortly and become dead after. It comes to the point as well that people are now knowledgeable enough in choosing projects to invest with and it very unfortunate to take look into new projects instead, they are mostly ignored.

DEX exchanges have given it shots already but somehow, it was then ruined up by these new projects. Will, its hopes that the DEX will have to figure it out before listing to their platform before the worst thing to happen.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: XZERO1 on October 27, 2020, 08:53:39 AM

what features should be there in a DEX so that the price of a token does not crash on day of launching and how it can sustain momentum.


Nothing you can do as a DEX to make sure that doesn't happen, simply because that's not your job to make sure a token that is listed on your "decentralized" exchange doesn't crash and lose its price otherwise you couldn't call your exchange decentralized.

If it was a centralized exchange I believe sometimes there are some arrangements to be made between exchange and the token/coin to make sure that the price of the said token or coin would not go lower than a certain price or something like that and that is being done by the exchange by using market makers, and what they do is they usually put huge walls using bots on buy orderbooks to control the price and ensure that no crash or sudden drop in price will happen.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: Hypnosis00 on October 27, 2020, 02:18:34 PM

what features should be there in a DEX so that the price of a token does not crash on day of launching and how it can sustain momentum.

It needs a firm strategy that a developers must have to implement before bounty hunters and investors will dump their coin after receiving their rewards. In most case it happen is because their is no strong support from the owner of the project, they let it happens and no wonder why it gonna losses its value.

I saw some developers are using other platforms just to control the trading flow and price, some did lock the token for quite long until they'll see the stability of the price trend. But one reason why we gonna expect such downtred motion when a new token had launch is mainly because they are not worthy enough for a better price.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: DarkDays on October 27, 2020, 06:03:09 PM

Continuing to pump liquidity, i.e. increasing demand for the currency is the key, whether it is a real demand or by pumping more liquidity with it.

There is nothing more important once you launch your token than trying to maintain that liquidity pool as high as possible, being through making the right partnerships and people trust you project or having a great marketing team that know what they're doing. Without a successful maintenance of this liquidity, pumping won't happen, and you need that for price rise.

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Generally, if you are not a scammer and your project is well programmed that has a good roadmap, the fluctuations that occur from time to time will not affect the price in the long run.

This second point is just as important as the first. And that is if the project isn't backed up well and people don't see value in it you can artificially pump it all you want it won't sustain that high price no matter what you do. As soon as a few minutes goes past, the dump will follow.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: tbterryboy on October 27, 2020, 08:08:15 PM
A true bounty hunter shouldn't look behind, there is a bounty and there is a reward for that bounty and when you get the reward your ties with the bounty team is over so you are not responsibility for the price at all.

If the team wants to keep the price higher, they should constantly have some bounties, if others sell there should be more marketing to make more people buy, but if you want to give people money for their work and you also want them to think that it would go super high and should hold it, you have to find someone else then people who are willing to do few hours of work for either almost no money, or potentially a job that won't even pay. This is the reason why I keep saying that the token price launch dump is something regular for every single project and will always happen.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: Salauddin1994 on October 28, 2020, 08:09:38 AM
New tokens are often scammed in the crypto market and their demand is lower not able to pump too much due to scam in the case of dex tokens team campaigns need to be better if the group or team shows their tokens in the market well the demand will increase. And if the demand increases it will pump a lot tokens often do not survive because of differences within the group.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: wxa7115 on October 30, 2020, 01:51:57 PM

what features should be there in a DEX so that the price of a token does not crash on day of launching and how it can sustain momentum.


Nothing you can do as a DEX to make sure that doesn't happen, simply because that's not your job to make sure a token that is listed on your "decentralized" exchange doesn't crash and lose its price otherwise you couldn't call your exchange decentralized.

If it was a centralized exchange I believe sometimes there are some arrangements to be made between exchange and the token/coin to make sure that the price of the said token or coin would not go lower than a certain price or something like that and that is being done by the exchange by using market makers, and what they do is they usually put huge walls using bots on buy orderbooks to control the price and ensure that no crash or sudden drop in price will happen.
Even in a centralized exchange there is nothing to do, if there is no demand for a token then that token is going to go down, for example there have been exchanges being accused of faking their volume and how people know this is the case? When the volume of the exchange is high but when you put your order there it stays for days without begin fulfilled despite the fact that the price of the coin went below your level and you see a lot of orders begin fulfilled at that price.

Also a CEX is not going to waste their time with such things as it is better for them that a coin crashes all the way to zero and make their investors lose a lot of money because if they were using leverage the exchange gets to charge them additional money, so for all of those that want to survive a coin at launch then do not invest in any coin at launch.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: davinchi on October 30, 2020, 02:47:08 PM
This is the reason why I keep saying that the token price launch dump is something regular for every single project and will always happen.
Honestly I will not go for dumping my bounty rewards if the project is still seeming like having good potential and the devs are keeping their promises with respect to road map and other updates. Only when people are not finding enough reasons to hold, they go for dumping right away once the coin/token hits exchanges.

I mean launch-dump may not be a regular thing but we got used to it just because of many scamming devs which pushes investors and bounty hunters need to compete themselves to book profits before someone else will do.

for all of those that want to survive a coin at launch then do not invest in any coin at launch.
You mean they must wait for the dumping to happen and then must try to catch the lowest possible price levels? Because, if you're not going to invest at launch then you may need to wait for dumping to happen and the problem is, you cannot assume what will be the exact low to enter. Most times, you may face to catch the falling knife >:(.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: XZERO1 on October 30, 2020, 06:16:16 PM
When the volume of the exchange is high but when you put your order there it stays for days without begin fulfilled despite the fact that the price of the coin went below your level and you see a lot of orders begin fulfilled at that price.

Exactly, that's how you can easily find out they have fake volume in their exchange, when you put orders on their exchange that do not match any orders in the sell and buy orderbooks your order is going to be stuck for a very long time until the orderbook prices changes and get to your order price.

Also a CEX is not going to waste their time with such things as it is better for them that a coin crashes all the way to zero and make their investors lose a lot of money because if they were using leverage the exchange gets to charge them additional money, so for all of those that want to survive a coin at launch then do not invest in any coin at launch.

Well it really depends on which exchanges we're talking about, but I know for a fact that if there is good money for them many exchanges have very big market makers that can move the price of a specific toke/coin up or even down literally whenever they want and you can be sure that they can easily liquidate those high leverage traders as well while doing so, it is kind of a more advanced way of increasing volume and price comparing to those trading competitions that various exchanges have from time to time and reward traders based on their trading volume.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: Lanatsa on October 30, 2020, 07:35:14 PM
A true bounty hunter shouldn't look behind, there is a bounty and there is a reward for that bounty and when you get the reward your ties with the bounty team is over so you are not responsibility for the price at all.

If the team wants to keep the price higher, they should constantly have some bounties, if others sell there should be more marketing to make more people buy, but if you want to give people money for their work and you also want them to think that it would go super high and should hold it, you have to find someone else then people who are willing to do few hours of work for either almost no money, or potentially a job that won't even pay. This is the reason why I keep saying that the token price launch dump is something regular for every single project and will always happen.
You are believing on a different manner where theres no need for something like making more bounties or marketing to make the price higher.If they had done bounties or some sort
of exposure then that would be enough.

Success lies with the project relevance itself even though you had done the minimal of advertising but you do still able to get that attention due to your project relevance then
that what matter most.Its not something depend on how much the team spend up on bounties yet they don't even know on what
would be the price for their project to reach on.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: Coin-1 on October 30, 2020, 08:03:05 PM
Here are some ways you can survive token price launching in the market:
1) Season : Every market has is own luck of launching new prices that will attract more customers to release or hold their coins to their self base of the price. Many investors that sustain are those who really understand the season in the market.

I would add that token trading should be launched on the right month and on the right day. Sometimes the developers of the top-rated coins report very good news, for example, about blockchain technology improvements or about migration to the new advanced protocol, etc. At this time most traders start pumping these highly capitalized cryptocurrencies, so some investors with "weak hands" can decide to sell a large part of their tokens on the DEX in order to buy well-known coins. As a result, the price of the launched token may crash.

But such a dump won't happen if the project is credible and managed by a professional and trusted team, because other traders are likely to buy these cheap tokens as soon as possible. To be honest, it is weird if the price of a token listed on the DEX is regulated by a third party.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: TheUltraElite on November 02, 2020, 05:25:59 AM
How I wish this was not true but I know that you are right, and while I know the main motivation behind those actions is their greed I wonder why people are still willing to go through that? What I mean is that they are basically gambling with their money with terrible odds and yet it seems as if they are completely blinded to the fact a bad scenario is way more likely than one that is positive, and when we consider they use all their money when investing in those awful coins it becomes clear they cannot afford themselves to lose that money and yet they use it as if that was the case.
The point is that there are risk takers and this becomes gambling to some extent, investing that is, not trading. With these shady tokens and no legally bound securities it is always going to be failures and looking for a profitable project would be like looking for a needle in a haystack.

Thus what I always suggest people is that buy bitcoin because it is the only thing that matters. None of the other projects need your money, they already got enough. ;D

Some may differ with this statement but they will also learn their mistake with time.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: barbara44 on November 02, 2020, 03:33:58 PM
such a dump won't happen if the project is credible and managed by a professional and trusted team, because other traders are likely to buy these cheap tokens as soon as possible.
Unfortunately most people are not ready to analyse about the credibility of the project nor about the professionalism of dev team. They simply contribute into ICO/crowdsale/IEO and then simply waiting for listing so that they will cash out at first place regardless of the future of that project.

To be honest, it is weird if the price of a token listed on the DEX is regulated by a third party.
Kind of manipulation is mandatory in all type of exchanges so that you can get rid of those dumpers. If you look for traders and investors who will naturally keep your coin/token pumping, then you will get disappointed in the end because unless otherwise you are not pumping then no one will be interested in your token because for traders and investors there are a lot of other options are available to trade/invest with.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: redsun114 on November 02, 2020, 09:24:22 PM
I have been involved with few projects now and I have been checking them all out on their launch date and unfortunately there is almost none that survives this for a while.

However coins that actually have a long term projection for what they want to be just continues to grind. Maybe the first month of every coin is the thing we should look at? Why must we think about surviving? Maybe we should not care at all, just get in, do whatever you want and get out? Almost all of them ends up doing something like an airdrop or a bounty or something like that and in the end they do not make too much noise, even if they do they just gave away millions of coins to people, and when half of those people sell the price plummets so it is something expected and not shocking to anyone.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: stomachgrowls on November 02, 2020, 09:47:38 PM

Continuing to pump liquidity, i.e. increasing demand for the currency is the key, whether it is a real demand or by pumping more liquidity with it.

There is nothing more important once you launch your token than trying to maintain that liquidity pool as high as possible, being through making the right partnerships and people trust you project or having a great marketing team that know what they're doing. Without a successful maintenance of this liquidity, pumping won't happen, and you need that for price rise.

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Generally, if you are not a scammer and your project is well programmed that has a good roadmap, the fluctuations that occur from time to time will not affect the price in the long run.

This second point is just as important as the first. And that is if the project isn't backed up well and people don't see value in it you can artificially pump it all you want it won't sustain that high price no matter what you do. As soon as a few minutes goes past, the dump will follow.
Mentioned factors are indeed the best ones when it comes on sustaining the price.It all matters with the projects true relevance and usage on where people do see its important which you can somewhat assure that
price wont really go down to the floor since there would be people who would definitely support it out but of course that will be always be the main or biggest problem of most projects on how they would really
get peoples trust and support.So its first matter on project relevance.

Next, is on marketing and making out some hype in addition to projects potential.This do really play a great role yet you are making out awareness of your projects existence.If you do miss out on doing that
then you cant attain such level of attention.In result? no so much support where in result to less liquidity.

Survival is something that should be considered but there are variables which cant really be controlled thats why it do need effort for you to achieved it.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: XZERO1 on November 03, 2020, 10:37:44 AM
I have been involved with few projects now and I have been checking them all out on their launch date and unfortunately there is almost none that survives this for a while.

However coins that actually have a long term projection for what they want to be just continues to grind. Maybe the first month of every coin is the thing we should look at? Why must we think about surviving? Maybe we should not care at all, just get in, do whatever you want and get out? Almost all of them ends up doing something like an airdrop or a bounty or something like that and in the end they do not make too much noise, even if they do they just gave away millions of coins to people, and when half of those people sell the price plummets so it is something expected and not shocking to anyone.

I believe it's mostly because the price that they set for their token/coin at ICO stage is not realistic at all in the current market condition which can be brutal for new projects of course assuming it's a good project and not just some random shitcoin with the exact same idea and more or less same whitepaper than 10 other previous projects, I don't know why these projects are so insistent on setting higher price for their tokens/coins knowing that if the price is not suitable for their coin it will go down in price very quickly after listing on exchange(will go down to the real price), it's not rocket science either it's just supply and demand and obviously if you have a new project with no use case yet that has the price of 1$ per token while the supply is at 1 billion or more you most definitely should expect a huge dump in price after listing.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: wxa7115 on November 03, 2020, 07:39:29 PM
for all of those that want to survive a coin at launch then do not invest in any coin at launch.
You mean they must wait for the dumping to happen and then must try to catch the lowest possible price levels? Because, if you're not going to invest at launch then you may need to wait for dumping to happen and the problem is, you cannot assume what will be the exact low to enter. Most times, you may face to catch the falling knife >:(.
No, what I mean is that there is only one known way to survive the launch of a coin and that is simply not being on it, whatever other method that you may choose is not going to guarantee that you survive that day, to me launch day is by far the most dangerous day in the life of any coin and it is better to not be there.

Now some may argue that I could be leaving too much money over the table and they are right but that is a better outcome than to face the possibility of losing all your capital as the coin crashes very rapidly and you cannot sell your coins simply because there is not one out there to buy them.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: Oilacris on November 03, 2020, 08:13:11 PM
for all of those that want to survive a coin at launch then do not invest in any coin at launch.
You mean they must wait for the dumping to happen and then must try to catch the lowest possible price levels? Because, if you're not going to invest at launch then you may need to wait for dumping to happen and the problem is, you cannot assume what will be the exact low to enter. Most times, you may face to catch the falling knife >:(.
No, what I mean is that there is only one known way to survive the launch of a coin and that is simply not being on it, whatever other method that you may choose is not going to guarantee that you survive that day, to me launch day is by far the most dangerous day in the life of any coin and it is better to not be there.

Now some may argue that I could be leaving too much money over the table and they are right but that is a better outcome than to face the possibility of losing all your capital as the coin crashes very rapidly and you cannot sell your coins simply because there is not one out there to buy them.

I do have the same behavior when targeting out potential coins.Im not really a fan in ICO mode or even on its listing and you're right on the words that most of the time they do dump really hard.

Some do able to survive the dump and able to make some recovery but in most case majority of them do dump forever and died along the way.So theres no one on this world would able to know
on what would happen ahead.

So its just really like a matter of gamble for some cases where you do neither would take a shot or not on a particular project which you do seem  that it has the potential to be considered by
the masses and would able to increase its price.


Title: Re: DEX : How to survive token price on launching
Post by: santiPOGI on November 04, 2020, 12:53:27 PM
Hello all friends,

Thanks to all who always reply and try to put their points to make things better in this crypto place.

Today i request you all to give your inputs on
what features should be there in a DEX so that the price of a token does not crash on day of launching and how it can sustain momentum.

thanks



In the first place, in terms of a token does not crash its price in the market is unavoidable actually. All launching token price here in this field business always faced the price crash in the market, even no matter how good you have plan for the token in the future, or good in hype it will still dump the value of the token for sure.