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The basics of card counting is that you assign values from 1, 0, to -1 for each card and adding the value of revealed cards to know if you have the odds in your favor for the next game.

2 to 6 is equal to 1, 7 to 9 is equal to 0 and 10 to Ace is equal to -1.  The card counting technique is complex so I will leave a link.

Casinos have policies regarding this card counter schemes, blackjack having the lowest house edge needs to be supervised because card counters. It is not illegal or cheating but a casino has to earn and they will do anything in their power to prevent losses from card counters.

Here are some of the solutions that casinos employ.

• Solution 1: When casinos detect that someone is card counting(i.e. 100 bet now then suddenly 1000 bet). They will make a rule where players can't change their bet for the next round.
• Solution 2: They use 4 decks or 7 decks instead of the standard 6 deck shoe.
• Solution 3: The casino can call the police for trespassing which is shitty, if the house rules indicates that no card counting and you are caught card counting. This is not a good solution because it might be someones lucky day.
• Solution 4: They use automatic shuffler so you will have less confidence in your card counting skills

In my opinion, card counting is applicable to online and physical casinos. I think iit works better in online casinos because there is nothing the house can do. There are other solutions and the solutions above are applicable mostly in physical casinos.

How to count cards in blackjack link:https://www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/how-to-count-cards/

This is very old technique and these days you can not make big money with this. House will catch you and will ban you from their casino. Even you will end up beaten by them badly.

It's easier for them to ban you online than in a physical casino.

this card counting in blackjack is always discuss all the time on this forum . cant find them all but i manage to find some upon searching >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5171747.0 ( does card counting really work in black jack ) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5273810.0 (card counting in blackjack )


why will they ban you when they cant witness your appearance unless its live  ? why cant they just consider that it was a normal win . banning players because they win or they can win often is verry unprofessional . but will this strat work online when you dont know if they are using a same deck and distribute all the cards acordingly, unless again if its live and you can see the whole action goin on clearly .

I don't know, if this is going to be effective online though, of course in a landbase casino, you can try this trick and obviously it will work and perfectly legal. But in online casinos, we don't know how the cards are shuffle. In a traditional base casinos, you can see in the beginning how the dealer shuffles x amount of decks of cards and then put in it shoe.

For online we don't see that, and then there's the element of RNG (random) that is on their side. They can shuffle every x deal, or not. So I don't think the card counting will be effective in online games.

If someone beats you up because you are card counting then you can pursue legal actions because card counting is legal and it is a subjective thing. That is why I said in my post that someone might be having a lucky day. That casino you might be playing on is illegal if they are beating you up. It is old but it is reliable if you know how to do it.

If you know how many decks there is in the shoe, you can see if you will be winning. There is no RNG in blackjack because there is a fixed number of cards in the deck maybe the chances are what you are talking about. It is unfair for people to just kick you out or ban you because you are winning.

The card counting game would not be easier even if you do it online.

As mentioned in the article, the problem for players here is when the casino uses a continuous shuffle machine. They do not need to see your face live but they will make it impossible for you to count. You can find more reasons why it's going to be difficult in this video by blackjackapprenticeship https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPvxe40Nr20 It is also mentioned in the video that legitimate card counters don't even try to beat online casinos since the playing conditions are too poor and not worth their time.

He probably means watching a live dealer from the comfort of your home.

This has been discussed several other times but I think you are referring to physical offline casinos in your thread.Not many people except in Las Vegas go to offline casinos nowadays and this solution only applies there.In online casinos the game is software controlled and you don’t know how many decks they are using so count carding for me does not work in online casinos.

I doubt if this is effective in online casinos. There is no way to tell if cards are reshuffled every round or even how many decks are used on the table, there is no way to verify that.

I've watched a movie about this kind of scheme in land based casino and it looks awesome and I think this needs a lot of practice, and as you have mentioned casinos are aware of this scheme that is why they made sure they will do all means to make this kind of technique less effective.

https://www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/card-counting-online/

The link above says that card counting is inefficient in online casinos. They pretty crush down card counters. It seems that card counters has finally found their match. I apologize if I thought that it can be used for online ones. The only online that it will work might be those live blackjack and those can be shitty games because the house can cheat the players with the cards that they are dealing with.

There are some live casinos that are played through video streaming where the table operator and cards are real. But they mostly use automatic shuffler machines which hides the cards while it shuffles. And they also use a different card deck for every games.
For completely online platforms, the game is virtual, though they are provably fair, the shuffle is just an animation and it's all random, there are no actual card counting on virtual casinos.

The casinos will not play at a loss so the online casino card counting practice will not work for sure. In a gambling house this practice works, but you must count cards very quickly so that you don't get suspicious of counting.

Actually,,, card counting is illegal in many casinos. Even online, if you see the Terms of Service, there is a always included a small term that talks about "recreational players" only, and I have come to know that this means people who just play for fun, card counters, if they are found out, are asked to leave the casinos. Same as online if they find out there are "professional" players then they are asked to close account and leave.

This is not an easy strategy on Blackjack and you must be very professional for you not to get caught. This is consider as illegal by casinos and the gambling site so if you don't want to get caught better not to try it and just enjoy the game, don't be greedy to win against the house, because its hard to beat them. I don't mind losing money on blackjack as long as I'm having fun, this is better than to get banned and I've watched a movie about this one, they succeeded at first but being greedy put them on a big trap.

I think it's very hard to card count in black jack these days. Going to a physical casino alone without a team is almost impossible. It is very suspicious if you are standing behind a table and just count the deck for 20 minutes and then suddenly jump on the table at start betting the maximum amount. Security will be pretty much be on top of you within the first hour of gambling and you just end up being banned from the casino. With a group of people - multiple spotter - at least 2 gamblers - 1-2 decoys - and a good exit strategy it might be possible.

The claim that there will be a security is an overstatement and an exaggeration. As if an individual will bankrupt the house by just winning in blackjack, there is a reason why there is a variety in casino games. If you want to practice and you put effort into it, I think you can be good at it and do not treat it like a heist movie where you form an Oceans Eleven squad. If you know what you are doing then you can pull it off alone. I do not believe that casinos will just ban someone because they are winning. They do not care about you winning as long as you are losing in a patterned basis.

They will be suspicious if you continue to win, they are always on the watch on gamblers that they think has unusual activity, you will be exposed if you have ten continuous win in a row, I agree that they do not care about your winning as long as you have a losing pattern also, you cannot make something so obvious. 

I'm not really sure if people here are familiar with this cheating in an online black jack.


https://img.youtube.com/vi/7PGasgpAJ1o/0.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PGasgpAJ1o)

So it's possible that even if you go on live betting, online site will fine a way to beat you if you are doing card counting. So I would say that it is not applicable to card count in online casino. And the more you think you can trick and thinking that you can won big against them, the more money can you lose chasing that 'dream' of yours.

I am not saying that you will get busted a 100%, but the risks are pretty high in my opinion. Counting cards is banned by casinos and the security staff is trained to spot people exploiting it. Winning on the table doesn't make you suspicious, but standing behind the table and counting the deck is. Also working alone makes it so much harder, because just by counting cards doesn't mean it's a guaranteed win. You can be counting the stack for 30 minutes without it getting it in your favour. That's why there are usually a few spotters working together, screening a lot of tables to find the best one.

It is already expected by the casino to create such more option not to get any advantage from gamblers doing card counting. Though card counting was not really proven that effective but still one could manage to win in the game.

However, since these card counting was already introduce long time ago the casino now had provided to repel this kind of strategy and that is by providing another deck of cards as OP suggested. So? everything has change now winning is still the house edge advantage and to gambling black jack still luck, good decision making will be able for them to win in the game and able to take home some profits. Depending on how lucky a gambler playing black jack will but I admit that black jack is one an exciting card games in the casino.

Yes, the casino won't care if the winnings are always on your side and during the game you still have small losses and have more wins.
But if you continue to win every game and never lose, chances are the casino will act and be investigated with suspicion and there will be follow-up that could hurt you because every casino has rules.
for whatever reason the house will always win and reign.

It's not applicable anymore in big casinos give it up. Casinos have countless cameras as well as personnel all over the casino, making it so that they can notice any odd movements or actions whenever players gamble. Not to mention that you've also stated about a few strategies they use to prevent count carding, such as using more decks than normal and the like. As for the online casinos, they can just simply use again more decks whenever putting out the cards, so that card counting would be a lot more difficult.

Online casinos have been a thing for a long time, and casino owners aren't as stupid as to leave out such a huge hole in their system that allows players to actually card count. It's rather difficult to card count nowadays, and tbh, the only way for a player to win against a casino is if they enter into negotiations, mostly putting the conditions to your advantage. You can look up some good examples of players making banks due to them negotiating to casinos about benefits that put them in an advantage.

I saw this video before! The guy was watching, and he noticed that move, but let's be honest how many times you move your eyes from the game? I bet I would miss this cheat!
Well "some" casinos will try to cheat their players, "some" players will try to cheat casino...it's like never ending game!

Counting cards is just a strategy that can be used for playing various card games! It's not guaranteed that you will win all the time, it's just helps with predicting the next card and giving you a bit more chances! With one deck it's possible, but more decks you add it will be harder for counting cards! One of the good questions is how many people can count cards!? There is a game for brainiacs, you have like a minute to see the cards and memorize the order of a shuffled deck! How many people can do that?! Of course, you can practice it and you can master it, but in the game you need to deal with pressure, and you don't have a chance to see the deck, you need to imagine it card by card! Later try to add more decks and you will realize that card counting is near to impossible!

Software maker of Blackjack pretty much now about this card counting tricks works so they have created this so card counting online will never works and you will have to rely on your luck and other skills to win but never in card counting, I think that's fair for blackjack operator to survive and for players so they will not go for card counting.

Casino already developed a defense mechanism to counter this card counting and I believe you are not aware on it because you start this discussion without considering it. There's a thing called CSM (continuous shuffling machine) and it destroys the card counting method. Most of pro blackjack player claiming that it didn't affect card counts was lying. They are just claiming because they are selling there tutorial online so that gamblers will still interested to purchase there online course but in reality card counting is useless anymore on most casino. You are lucky if you find one that didn't used that.

Exactly.
Card Counting sounds quite simple, but it is definitely not a profit guarantee, but only helps to increase your own chances of winning (and respectively lowers the house edge).
But especially as a single player this is a very big hurdle. Some of you may know the well-known MIT Blackjack team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_Blackjack_Team). From this team comes the following statement:
I don't know how many of us can take a situation where you are at a loss in the first 500 hours of gaming.
The already mentioned factor, that casinos are very strict against card counting and - especially in offline casinos - the players are put under lifelong bans, of course contributes to this.

If you watched the movie about card counting, if I am not mistaken, its title is 21, it discusses about card counting in Blackjack. In fact, it is not easy, as it requires talent and good photographic memory to memorize the entire deck. In the movie, they even memorize a phrases to make sure that they could talk and give signs without literally telling one another the status of the game. Most of the time, card counting is effective in teams, but in the end, they are always getting caught by the casino and getting punished. It just means that there's no need for us to card count, blackjack is already an easy game. Cheating will just result for us to put ourlives in danger.

Operators and casino owners needs to find ways to avoid them risking their bankroll! if they will allow this continuously it will surely sucked everything and will bring them down.

This been studied carefully and the solutions that they've got really battled correctly to someone who have a good skills in card counting, gamblers are not getting any advantage from this skills, more on busting if they will try using it.

i didnt knew that bj can also be a team play , i know theres a multiplayer because i have played this before but the other players were not your allies and its not allowed to do team work to beat the other players but if you and your friend can do it secretly no one will know .

who is getting caught all the time ? the characters on the movie or the real gamblers that do this ? because a pro card counter wont easily get caught out and he wont allow this to happen  .

You are very much wrong I have not seen one blackjack players here that take down a blackjack site because he ius using a card counting method to beat the house, because they have a counter to this which is the  continuous shuffle machines.

I do not know what the situation is with counting cards in online casinos. However, in large casinos in my country, there are special people whose job is to determine whether a player counts cards when playing blackjack. If they decide that you are counting, you will simply be banned from playing at this casino.
Also, casinos in my country have a common database of undesirable persons. And if you are banned from entering one casino, you can be sure that others will do the same.

How easy it was to cheat here. I am pretty sure very few people will notice it and those who will notice it, they will not have enough proof to prove it too since no one is keeping their screencast software on while they are playing online.

Considering this example one thing we can say: The dealer knows the order of the cards.

Here is another thing to notice or to know.

https://i.imgur.com/pofAnR7.png

Is this a camera or something that is displaying the card before putting it on the deck? How would we know that they are not using it against the customers?
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Yeah, I remember that video, LOL, I think we have that topic, but I'm not really sure of that. Yes, card counting will be ineffective in online, simply because they have total control and maybe knows the outcome way ahead, that's why the dealer in the video, need to switch the cards so that the gambler will not win in this case.

Perhaps the myth of the movie "21", (believed me I watch it in Netflix just a couple of days ago), is still in the mind of the gamblers and think they can beat the system. It's not that easy and the house will not let you do that. As the saying goes "not in my house".

In my opinion, there is a certain amount where casinos will take action against someone winning. I mean, why would they be alarmed when someone is on a winning streak when the win does not exceed 4-digits. If the rules can hurt the player then they would not be playing there at all, pretty funny that everyone here thinks that casino rules are against the players when in reality there are only few rules needed. And casino does not always win, if you search in Google right now about people winning a lot in casinos, I think your point will be busted.

If you win the jackpot then that is the time the casinos will lose but for sure they can bring it back easily by making a losing streak with the other players.
Card counting is very risky, and even if your winning streak is just a small amount of money as long as its on the Blackjack, you can still be on the watch list and might be put on hold until they prove something against you. Besides, the card counting is not easy at all and I'm not good with numbers so I wont try this one as well.

I would like to disagree, card counting is still a thing. Did you not read my post, I said there that it wasn't illegal so why would you put cameras for something legal. What is with strange movements that indicates that someone is card counting? Do they have to twitch in a way when they are card counting? The answer is no, again if you are good enough you can count cards mentally and it is subjective perspective if someone is card counting, you might see that they are counting but they might be just having a lucky day. I do not believe it is not applicable, yes if you are a pro then you might be banned but for an average Joe, I do not think so.

That is if "you know", Lol, you have really played on an online black jack? regardless if it's live dealer or not? or played in a traditional based casino? You can read ToS of some famous online gambling sites and you will see that they have all the power to even not pay you if they suspect you are cheating them. I put RNG because I'm thinking of a blackjack with no live dealers. But with live dealers still the same, just look at the video being posted.

The same in a traditional based, card counting is not illegal, but if the pit boss recognised you, or they have a slit hint that you are doing it, you get kick out and your pictures and info in the "Black Book".

Isn't the Solution 4 that I put in the thread starter the same as CSM? I think I covered that part.
How can you say that professional players in blackjack are lying? Do you know their minds work?
Why would you get an online course for card counting when I dropped a link in the thread starter? There are a lot of Youtube videos and Google articles that can teach you card counting. I get that I am not an expert but I think if you know how to card count and you know what is the number of decks in the shoe, your confidence in winning goes higher.

It is a thing but it is a very difficult thing to do. There is a reason why card counters are near genius or kind of math savants or memory wizards and the like. Only a handful of people is capable of doing it, and with much practice.

In casinos, cameras are installed to not just monitor illegal stuff and strange movements but also of strange winning patterns. Casinos are complex business animals. A certain table is losing a much bigger amount and it may raise suspicion. A certain man taking a much bigger winning may also raise the same suspicion. Make it a pattern and cameras are actually zoomed in your face in the security room.

Automatic shuffler is different in continuous CSM. As the word "continuous" define itself. Because there is a shuffling machine too. If that's what you are pertaining on solution 4 maybe you should revise that for clarification.

As for my statement above. I know that you are not pro and my statement is not for you when I write that. I just give some sample of what I observe. Try to read my post again. Zzzzz. Its for the self proclaimed pro that selling tutorial. Card counting is almost obsolete. The reason why some Pro Blackjack still win is because they have there own method to count card which not release in public.

Why you are so defensive if you are not a pro?? Been playing blackjack half of my life dude and I watch and study tons of guide on card counting. Do you want some udemy lesson? I might share you my lectures.

EDIT:

Most of the online blackjack especially evolution gaming shuffle the the whole deck once they consume half of the deck. You can add that part on the solution.

I agree with that part. Easy to say but do we even know their win rate when they actually play and apply whatever techniques they are talking about? I read that some players avoid playing in Vegas since card counting isn't effective there.

I also read that some players try to put a pressure on smaller casinos by avoiding tables with CSM. No players in that table means no profit for the small casino.

Thanks for the added solution. Sorry if I sounded defensive, we are in the Internet afterall. I don't want lessons by the way, I tend to stay away from gambling as much as I can. You did not mention the pretentious professionals in the last post that I quote, so we got on the wrong foot there. Also no need to brag about how long have you been playing blackjack, I am learning something new when I read posts in this thread.

Also, fuck pretentious pros who sell online courses. The only courses I will spend my money on is language courses or programming.

I already read some threads related to it before but I don't think if this will be effective as of these days, this is a very old strategy of every gambler who used to play blackjack. Blackjack is a very entertaining game I've ever play because it will make you use your mind while playing to take the advantage of winning. This is not only luck-based gambling on which you are just going to wait for the result if you win or lose the game. In this gamblibg, you should be the one who will decide if you win or lose the game by using such strategies and skills, and the strategies mentioned above are on the old one so I don't think that it will work.

Card counting is common when it comes to blackjack but when the house do able to catch you out on doing such thing then you'll surely be banned nor prohibited.
Here are some links that also helpful when it comes to card counting.
https://www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/how-to-count-cards/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_So72lFNIU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knJ7EoYjzSU

It isnt really something for anyone to get this one yet it do really somewhat need some good memory on what are cards had already been shown.

Professor and 5-6 students! Bottom line is that you need a team for counting cards, if you don't wish to spend the first 500 hours losing! Gambling will always be gambling, cards or dices doesn't matter, we can try to count cards, to predict the next card/number based on previous results, but what's the most important in gambling is the bankroll! Even in the movie they started with serious money, and to make some very high bets when you feel that chances are on your side (based on your counting, or whatever else prediction method you use).
For us amateur gamblers there's no need for anything more than simple playing and enjoying the game. Of course each of us likes to win and it's a nice feeling to win, but we shouldn't get too upset when we lose (what's often happen)!

I'm no card counter, but have played black jack before in traditional casino, either as a setting or standing bettor. And I haven't witnessed anyone being removed because the casino suspected them as a card counter. Interesting video though, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpz9I3kI9P8. Reasons why card counter quit. Perhaps you will have initial successes, but the boredom will likely kill it for you.

I fully agree with you, most of these courses are just rip offs. If there was a perfect strategy to win in black jack everytime, why would people make them public? Casinos would just catch up on them and change their strategies. I mean it's almost 2021,all the information you need is available for free on the Internet. Why spend money if you can find the news yourself? There are plenty of books out there about beating the casinos. But people need to understand it's still not a guaranteed win. I would not buy any of these courses myself.

In physical casino CSM is already widely used especially in Vegas but for online casino. They don't used that but rather putting random cards on the shoe and we can't guarantee if it's a complete deck or not because the last time I try to count some of the live blackjack game. I encounter 8 same card (Number and Symbol but not sure if see it correctly because its a 30mins game) on a 6 deck shoe. I believe there's no way to count card on that crazy deck.

I don't believe that there are still comprehensive and effective card counting courses there is no such thing because these blackjack operators are miles ahead when it comes to blackjack,  they know all the things that players will employ and they made sure that they are competitive and the4y are sustainable but still players can still win.

That was so unfair. Did they just do this in order to save them not to lose?
This will give no interest to the gamblers, this will ruin everything, the trust, and the site owner. Gamblers are expecting a fair play and to win but because of what they have done by some casinos, it gives a way to step out and find another. This is an act of greediness and this badly making no sense to play blackjack knowing that we have no chance of winning.

I have seen some online casino force people to bet in order to continue to watch/play a blackjack game (maximum a couple of games of absence).
It force the user to play more and for each round! It reduce at minimum the advantage of card counting.
However this is not a 100% method for win.
I think it can be used in a face-2-face playing were you are able to watch and not forced to gamble, but I am not sure it really worth the time/risk/effort.

Those two statements fit perfectly:


If someone takes the trouble to learn - and perfect - card counting in Blackjack, it is certainly not because they want to enjoy the game itself.
The motivation here is definitely to make as much profit as possible from the game. However, if you don't play for entertainment but to get rich as fast as possible - which is very unlikely as the statement of the MIT Blackjack team shows - the fun is completely lost.

I think it's obvious that you run the risk of becoming addicted very quickly and end up with far less money than you had at the beginning of your career:

This is a highly possible scenario in a physical casino that you will be beaten up for counting the cards and only in movies i have seen these kind of scenarios but i a virtual casino the house knows the situation and there will be a timer to counter that, not sure what is the solution they are using but these virtual casino will be aware of the thing and will have a solution to counter those.

although your explanation can be like that, But unfortunately there are some places where their card gambling uses more than 1 card slot, meaning that when the game round is over, it is inputted into the shuffling machine and after that it uses the cards that have been shuffled to be distributed to the participants, meaning that it will be very it is difficult to do card calculations or predictions.

Card counting is not really applicable online unless you are playing with a live dealer otherwise each time a new round begins the deck gets shuffled completely giving you no chance to use card counting at all, this is important to know since you do not want to apply card counting in those instances and you should just use the basic strategy and nothing else, however even when using this with a live dealer on an online casino the casino can simply cancel your account if they detect any indication you are using card counting, in a physical casino you could always get away with it if the dealer forgets the count or if you give enough good tips that he decides to ignore your profits that day, but in an online casino everything you do is recorded and a research on your betting patterns will reveal you as a card counter immediately.

That was my thought at first. I think that it is fair that the house will do anything to stop losses but there should be a certain balance that they should hit so the game is still fair and people are still playing while minimizing losses. I think the biggest dealbreaker is when people are continously winning and they get escorted out of the casino which pretty much taints the casinos image.

I'm counting in my head pretty fast. Also, if you know even the basic of probability theory, there will be enough just one look into what hand do you have to choose what to do next. Here is my old post about probabilities in BJ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5251155.msg54568733#msg54568733) this is finished pattern for you to act (at least i used it few times i played BJ with not bad results).

1.

2. You just looking what you have on your hands (some number N).
21 - N = this is what do you need in card suits

3. (N*4 - needed_suits_on_your_hand) / 52 (full deck of cards) is the probability what do you need.

I counted cards for a couple years and did quite well in Vegas until they changed their behavior. I only went to big casinos so I wasn't beaten up like you see in the movies, but I wouldn't chance that at some off Strip joint.

These days they slow the pace and rotate out the dealer, or the Pit Boss will ask for your marker if you're doing large bets (like $3k per hand). Finally had a string of bad luck that took wind out of my sails - Luxor sucks at comps BTW. Bellagio and Tropicana were awesome.

I highly doubt card counting is easier in online casinos (unless you are playing blackjack online with live dealers). In fact, its easier to do in physical casino and there is nothing much the house can do to stop it other than telling you to leave the table ( I don't think they call the police for such matter, since if I am not wrong, counting card is not illegal). They do take measures, but most casinos avoid those extra precautions you have mentioned since the games ends up being really slow. If you keep on winning or act suspicious, put you under surveillance. It's easier to avoid all those hassles in online casinos because everything is automated. Shuffling cards after each and every hands with multiple decks just takes few milliseconds!

You can't be sure if the card you counted is the same deck that you are playing to your current game in online casino which I highly doubt that it is easier than the physical casino. But yes, card counting is easier in live dealers coz you can basically have just a paper and pen on your side to list all the outs and possible next draw card. It is cheating but the casino won't see you lol...

Card counting is cheating in physical casinos, however I don't see  it on TOS of any casino, nor being discussed in several threads.

You are saying the same thing as the other poster had already said to be honest. I posted a reply regarding card counting in online casino and it seems that you haven't seen it. I thought this thread is done already because most new replies are just a parroted sentence of early posters.

If you think that this thread is already done (As what you said new replies are parroted from other posters) then why not Lock this thread?

you are the Thread creator so you can just easily Lock this then there will no other spam in future.

On your lower left you can see the Lock option so the thread will be done properly because you cannot prevent posters from putting their answers here.

If you are getting banned (from either an online or a real life casino) for counting cards while playing blackjack, either you should call your lawyer press charges, or blackjack needs to get removed as a game because it seems to me it has a serious bug.

I mean, how the fck one can tell you that you counted cards?

When he does,

How can you be sure that he is not saying that to block your legitimate win?

If counting the cards breaks blackjack, then blackjack shouldn't exist because it is flawed design.

Good luck with pressing charges against a casino for removing you from their casino. It's a private proverty, their place, they make up the rules. You have no chance against it. When playing their games you agree to their rules. I don't see any chances of winning against a big casino. Also they have plenty of lawyers ready for such issues, while you will have to hire one yourself and pay for it. Not sure if that is such good idea afterall.

Black Jack is a profitable game for casino, I don't think they wan't to remove it. And with more advanced shuffling systems around it's getting harder for us to exploit the system. Afterall card counting is helping us to shift the odds in our favor. We shouldn't pressure casinos into removing the game.

I know it is not a good idea.

My main idea is, stop playing blackjack.

If you are going to play it you are just giving the casino a free "you can rob me" card. It is just like the KYC scam they press on the players.

You can get banned for playing legit and they can just tell you that you counted the cards as an excuse and it is impossible to prove otherwise.

The reason I replied like that is the answer I was looking for is already answered. Why lock the thread when other members can post their thoughts regarding the topic. I believe that there are more ideas surrounding this topic could be posted in this thread.

Well, that is right. Let me share my idea too.
For me, if this strategy still works today, then we must expect that this scheme is dead. But if not, --then the counters for this are already there. If I were managing a casino, I would not invest my time effort, and money to have this scheme that I know I will be losing. Not even interested to put some time to bust people who will take advantage of it. I would simply remove it from my list then earn more profit without a headache. Just play blackjack that did not taking advantage of others.

Well I guess, if you think this works, you wouldn't share it with us. No hard feelings, but this is just theory if you can't execute it.

I'd like to ask, were you able to execute this strategy in a live online poker casino already?
What was the outcome? Were you able to win against the house without being caught doing the card counting strategy?

Give us an interesting insight. Something that happened already. Anyways, the casino staff is skilled to monitor your behavior. They have plenty of ways to catch you cheating. A suggestion, always check your agreement with the site.

I assumed that those were readers to ensure that the card was untapped but, to be honest right now, I(or maybe we) honestly don't know.

also, I was searching around. it seems that the name of the company of the dealer was Global Gaming Labs (GGL). and was fired by the gambling site after learning about this incident and since then hired a new company to provide live gambling on their website but then the question is if this new company hired by the gambling will not do the same thing as the previous company. I found this information on this article https://professionalrakeback.com/betonline-blackjackgate

I remember the time I was hung up on the card counting thing the reason was the movie , hangover. Then I thought it was supposed to be a faux and tried to actually search regarding it. Card counting is being used since decades. But it's just a mathematical trick to increase your chances of winning. Just like we use probability to see if we will have higher odds of winning the thing.

One should know that :

Card counting is not illegal but it's definitely frowned upon in most casinos. But if you do it without being caught then for sure you can win huge sums of money and at the same time if you are playing black jack online , you need to know what card counting is !!

While in an offline casino , be non obvious, it's just +/- that anyone can master with some time.

As others have pointed out, card counting does not work in online casinos. The deck is shuffled after every round.

Edit: Unless you are referring to the "video stream" online blackjack where it's a physical deck of cards. That may be possible to card count on as long as they don't shuffle the deck(s) in a shoe too frequently. But even there I have strong doubts. These live stream gambling services aren't naive.

Live blackjack online might be work for the card counting but you have to face the consequences of that since the house are more strict online because they can easily trace those who are cheating the game and the result of this might be worst than what you think. As I’ve said, this is not a good strategy and you are risking yourself just to get the easy money that you want, beside you must be good in counting which is too hard to master.

It is almost impossible to count the card with 8 decks, so I don't think there is an advantage to waste time with live BJ games. Evolution gaming provider have a lots of live BJ tables and few Youtubers have tried to use card counting, as expected they busted after 3 hours of consecutive losses. If there was an big edge, the other pro gamblers have tried and shared the results with us. I don't see any reason to learn the card counting with advanced math skills.

A legendary can make it but no one has that skills and yes, that is very impossible.

I pressume such a trick won't actually work this time and I don't think either that casinos will take that advantage as well over their players.
Winning from this game will depend on luck and skill, not by counting it. It for sure casinos have some knowledge about this and they have already anticipating such a thing.

I watched the movie "The Hangover 1" where there's a scene which they actually used this strategy, that's way back 2009 but the gambling house are already strict during that time, for sure, it's more Stricter now both online and offline. House will simply watch you out and the behaviors of your activities once they've seen any signs of using this strategy, you'll be risking your bankroll as any moment house can freeze you up and accuse you for cheating the game.

better to play aiming to find some luck and enjoy your stay than losing just because being pointed using this system.

To answer your question whether it is usable there are documented cases where card counting is executable, they even made a movie about it. What do you mean poker casino? We are talking about black jack here dude. Anyway, I have done some research if the strategy is effective online and the probability of a constant win online is low.

Why the hell would the casino care about your behavior when you are playing, that makes them look sour just because you are winning. The only acceptable reason the staff is watching you is because you look like a creep or a good for nothing who will cause a ruckus in the casino.

You're not going to make much card counting unless you move the higher limit tables where you can press when you know you have favorable odds. I've counted cards in the past. You'll always want to move to a high limit table when you think you're above the 50% chance that the dealer will bust.

It's not illegal to count cards (at least big Las Vegas casinos0. Most casinos even give you a little cheat sheet if you ask them which shows you roughly when to hit or stand. They just won't let you go past the red rope area if you are doing so. I knew most of pit bosses at Bellagio and they weren't as nice to me when I played BJ, but when I switched to craps all of sudden I could go to the 5K tables haha.

Online casino, forget about counting since it's probably reset after every deal.

I'm not sure if this is still applicable in our time now because gambling company now are more stricter than before.
and specially in Online gambling when the computer is involve in managing the strategy we are doing.
i have been doing this style in our friendly game here in our place when counting cards are really indeed can be done specially if your opponent is not hustler and has no much knowledge in such thing.

Do you seriously say that? Have you ever played blackjack in live casinos? Well, I'll still explain.
First of all, in live casinos, they play with 8 decks in the shoe. From these eight decks, only four plays. So, from 416 cards, approximately 208 plays and sometimes it happens like even less or more, it depends on the shuffler. Card shuffle quality is controlled, so, for this reason, shufflers try to put the cutting card in the front and not back to the middle. It results in playing even fewer cards, nearly 170-200. So this action even lessens your chance to count cards. It has zero idea to count cards in live blackjack. Also, there are risk analysts there who sit and have a look at players behaviours. Not only that, shuffle quality is always monitored and if it happened like shuffle quality in the certain round is very, very low, then the game can be cancelled and players get refunded.

They are doing it as business and to the players a gambling or game to be played by staking money wanting to get or the desired results.

Card counting for me is not really effective for the players to win besides the casino had made things to counter this by adding more decks in the table. The card counting could no longer add a little percentage of winning the game. Sad but no way for casino to lose in gambling after all they are earning because of it in exchange for fun a d excitement to the gamblers playing blackjack.

Yeah if the casino wasn't gleaning a slight edge on every single bet the whole endeavor would be a losing battle for them and they wouldn't be able to afford the lights, staff, free alcohol and such. I think the only game I have ever seen that is pure 50/50 as luck was "War" - I was surprised to see that game. It had a $500 table limit, but I was able to make a quick $400 betting $25 and doubling on fails.

With the multidecks in the shoe and the splitting, card cutting has become essentially impossible so you're back below 50/50. Roulette has about the same odds and that is still worse than 50/50.

I replied about it a long time ago and I retracted what I said on my thread starter. What you said is what other people have said already.  I do not care about your explanation because others have pointed it out and yeah what you just said I know about it already. Sorry.

Online casinos are created to make a profit and to become sustainable, if they have blackjack in their platform they already know this card counting system and they have a system to combat card counting, I don't think you can use it and have not seen a thread here so far about a player who made a lot from card counting in an online blackjack site.

Lol with the high technologies applied by gambling company?surely this Old technique wont be applicable now.

Card counting back in the days really is one best strategy but now?even in local gambling this is prohibited because this may sounds cheating.

actually is implying in old strategy and i'm sure he don't even win streak using this card counting.

and besides it is more enjoyable playing with thrill and luck than too much to expect.

"If you're playing a poker game and you look around the table and can't tell who the sucker is, it's you."

After reading this thread, I suppose we could say the same quote in a slightly abstract way: if you think card counting will give you big advantage, not taking into account that most of the players and the casino itself takes for granted that most will try to use this method, then the sucker is you :D

If you are in an actual physical casino, their main solution to solve this card counting problem is to inspect their CCTV cameras to see some suspicious acts of people who card count. Meaning, if you really want to do this thing in a casino, you need to have no failure in controlling your reactions. There's no one who could prove that you are card counting aside from the house themselves, instead of arresting you, they might extort you for your actions. I just don't know how this card counting could be controlled and prevented in online gambling casinos. Other people are even using some tools to calculate the outcome of their bets.

First of all, you created this thread on 13 October and I replied to you on 20 October. So you haven't replied to anyone here "a long time ago". It's a short time.
I said everything about evolution gaming in more details than anyone here and believe me, I have very high competence in it.
Also, I do not care <-- sounds rude cause I'm not t spamming your thread and instead try to help and give you a detailed answer to have an overall image around this task.
Again, if you provide me with posts here that say the same things that I said (double-check my post), then red tag me.

Most casinos don't think in such way, don't try to show them as "eternal ubermenches and masterminds". Card counting needs strong well trained mind, knowledge of probability and good memory. I think all this can be received by small amount of players, and there is no reason for casino to pay attention on them. It would be the same if casino would pay attention to meteor strike. But they don't, this is called force major, or in terms more close to mathematicans in casino - allowable losses.

100 people will left 10 dollards each, and on will take 25 to himself out of casino. Casino still in profit, so why to give a fuck?

I'm not sure card counting is can successfully for blackjack games, because now casinos owners are aware of this and have anticipated
that gamblers cannot use the card counting strategy, believe me casinos are getting stricter now. Then for online gambling it's the same,
the card counting system can't be used anymore, because gambling sites owners have improved their systems in order to anticipate card
counting. That's why for now I have not come across any successful reviews on blackjack games using a card counting strategy.

I replied two times already about how I already knew of it already. The first two pages of thread already gave the clarification that I need. Why the fuck would I red tag you? Do I look like I want drama, dude chill. I thought this thread is dead because haven't seen it in a long time in the first page of the discussion. I am sorry if that sounded rude which it really is. I replied about it on the page 4 of this thread.

Why put up the issue of spamming when you aren't spamming in the first place? Chill dude.

To end this problem with you, I hereby declare you as the winner of our argument.

Another point in physical casinos gameplay is that most people will not be playing any optimal game. The usual casino edge in BlackJack is around 0.5% if the gambler is playing the optimal strategy, but since most people have their own strategies the edge of the casinos is usually much higher. So when it comes to fighting against Card Counters the Casino has to trade off between high security and high turnover on the tables. When the dealer is using shuffle machines and shuffles the deck more often to counter card counting, he is not dealing cards. So overall the table will play less hands per hour compared to table with less security. I think the casino is trying to balance these two issues to maximise profits.

This is possible just on the movies. In casinos or live video games, there are more than 6 decks being used. Before we get to the half of a deck, the deck is shuffled again. You can increase your luck by counting them just at a rate of %2-%3.

well, you are right, it feels like the gambling places have thought about it so they have prepared several card machines that can be used to shuffle the cards and what becomes this game is very difficult is they use more than 4 sets of cards and shuffle them on the table without our knowledge so it will be very it's hard to predict.

I gamble Blackjack on tables where so many users play at once, and I believe that the potential of a player winning a game completely depends on what they choose and/or if the dealer busts or stands under our number. Next is, when we get 20 over there as total, there's a bot that "Hits" and it's not just limited to 1 game but that bot does it in each and every game so for the dealer to get the best upcoming card. I don't believe that card counting would work in such a game. Never tried this while gambling alone, will try to do it but I guess that after seeing some comments here, I shouldn't really try it as it may get me banned.  :-\

I'm not a blackjack player, and I don't know card counting but it takes a lot of concentration to do this, I don't know is this possible because the card is shuffle so fast and it takes a big amount of concentration and if you can follow how the card is shuffle, obviously they will caught you by just looking at your reaction and your eyes.

^ Card counting has been discussed in the forum multiple times and it is a traditional technique, but most often blackjack players could not resist doing it for it is one of the best strategies to win and recover losses. However, the casinos have identified this type of strategy and they are prepared on how to prevent it, that is why some rules have been made because the casinos are also an industry that needs to earn profit for their own expenses, Though I may consider that there are lots of gray area in these rules especially in banning a player for it will be hard to ban a player in physical casinos for this particular player can still go to another casino, same as with online casinos it will be very tough for a player can still go online using a different identity. Nevertheless, what matters most is when an individual prefers to play gambling they must be ready for the possibility of being controlled by the house in their winning period.

I was a starter of one such thread not so long ago

Here it is (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5248436), for the inquiring minds. As the poll results there have shown, in order to be a decent Blackjack player, you must count cards (apart from it being a legitimate skill). Given this and with respect to the land casino environment and circumstances, it all eventually comes down to how good you are at both card counting and hiding your mindwork from the casino

https://i.imgur.com/cpjMzhD.jpg

Put differently, now you should master two skills instead of one

Is there any way to count blackjack cards in an online casino? I don't think that's possible. In a normal casino, you see a deck and initially know its size. Thanks to this, you know that there are a certain number of aces and other cards in the deck and you can count how many of them went to the end. In online casinos, you usually don't see the size of the deck and can't know how many cards are left there.

It totally depends on whether you are watching a live dealer or simply at the mercy of an automated algorithm. If it's a live dealer, you could theoretically do card counting if you know the amount of decks involved and the shuffling mechanism allows it. There is absolutely no point in trying to beat the casino if it is a computer based random number generator because it will be manipulated to take away any possible advantage the player might get. Online casinos, like physical locations, are around to make profit for the owners - so they will take every step they can to ensure that happens.

I have done some reading about statistics of winning with card counting in live dealer versus pure online. No doubt that you can do it in live dealer compared to online where the time you spent is not worth the profit because it is very low. Plus you really need to be skilled in card counting and not just occasional player to pull off those statistics.

Well, as players we can consider it as a normal winning if we are getting it consecutively but it might be different in the eyes of the house for they also have tons of experience on players who do card counting which can be their loss too. Some rules that occur when they suspect someone that does card counting may not be fair for it can only be favorable in the house but that is only their way to secure that players during that time will also get a fair chance of winning. If banning a player will be the absolute solution of the house -- I doubt that they can really manage not letting this player not getting into casinos either physically or online especially with online casinos for players can easily change identity from time to time and as often as they want.