Card Counting in Blackjack

[Lorence.xD]

Automatic shuffler is different in continuous CSM. As the word "continuous" define itself. Because there is a shuffling machine too. If that's what you are pertaining on solution 4 maybe you should revise that for clarification.

As for my statement above. I know that you are not pro and my statement is not for you when I write that. I just give some sample of what I observe. Try to read my post again. Zzzzz. Its for the self proclaimed pro that selling tutorial. Card counting is almost obsolete. The reason why some Pro Blackjack still win is because they have there own method to count card which not release in public.

Why you are so defensive if you are not a pro?? Been playing blackjack half of my life dude and I watch and study tons of guide on card counting. Do you want some udemy lesson? I might share you my lectures.

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Most of the online blackjack especially evolution gaming shuffle the the whole deck once they consume half of the deck. You can add that part on the solution.

Thanks for the added solution. Sorry if I sounded defensive, we are in the Internet afterall. I don't want lessons by the way, I tend to stay away from gambling as much as I can. You did not mention the pretentious professionals in the last post that I quote, so we got on the wrong foot there. Also no need to brag about how long have you been playing blackjack, I am learning something new when I read posts in this thread.

Also, fuck pretentious pros who sell online courses. The only courses I will spend my money on is language courses or programming.

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[Alucard1]

I already read some threads related to it before but I don't think if this will be effective as of these days, this is a very old strategy of every gambler who used to play blackjack. Blackjack is a very entertaining game I've ever play because it will make you use your mind while playing to take the advantage of winning. This is not only luck-based gambling on which you are just going to wait for the result if you win or lose the game. In this gamblibg, you should be the one who will decide if you win or lose the game by using such strategies and skills, and the strategies mentioned above are on the old one so I don't think that it will work.

[Mahanton]

I already read some threads related to it before but I don't think if this will be effective as of these days, this is a very old strategy of every gambler who used to play blackjack. Blackjack is a very entertaining game I've ever play because it will make you use your mind while playing to take the advantage of winning. This is not only luck-based gambling on which you are just going to wait for the result if you win or lose the game. In this gamblibg, you should be the one who will decide if you win or lose the game by using such strategies and skills, and the strategies mentioned above are on the old one so I don't think that it will work.

Card counting is common when it comes to blackjack but when the house do able to catch you out on doing such thing then you'll surely be banned nor prohibited.
Here are some links that also helpful when it comes to card counting.
https://www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/how-to-count-cards/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_So72lFNIU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knJ7EoYjzSU

It isnt really something for anyone to get this one yet it do really somewhat need some good memory on what are cards had already been shown.

[iv4n]

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Counting cards is just a strategy that can be used for playing various card games! It's not guaranteed that you will win all the time, it's just helps with predicting the next card and giving you a bit more chances
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Exactly.
Card Counting sounds quite simple, but it is definitely not a profit guarantee, but only helps to increase your own chances of winning (and respectively lowers the house edge).
But especially as a single player this is a very big hurdle. Some of you may know the well-known MIT Blackjack team. From this team comes the following statement:

To make money at blackjack as a solo player you need to basically make it your full-time job to overcome the variance. You can easily be negative in the first 500 hours.
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I don't know how many of us can take a situation where you are at a loss in the first 500 hours of gaming.
The already mentioned factor, that casinos are very strict against card counting and - especially in offline casinos - the players are put under lifelong bans, of course contributes to this.

Professor and 5-6 students! Bottom line is that you need a team for counting cards, if you don't wish to spend the first 500 hours losing! Gambling will always be gambling, cards or dices doesn't matter, we can try to count cards, to predict the next card/number based on previous results, but what's the most important in gambling is the bankroll! Even in the movie they started with serious money, and to make some very high bets when you feel that chances are on your side (based on your counting, or whatever else prediction method you use).
For us amateur gamblers there's no need for anything more than simple playing and enjoying the game. Of course each of us likes to win and it's a nice feeling to win, but we shouldn't get too upset when we lose (what's often happen)!

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

I'm no card counter, but have played black jack before in traditional casino, either as a setting or standing bettor. And I haven't witnessed anyone being removed because the casino suspected them as a card counter. Interesting video though, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpz9I3kI9P8. Reasons why card counter quit. Perhaps you will have initial successes, but the boredom will likely kill it for you.

[Mauser]

Also, fuck pretentious pros who sell online courses. The only courses I will spend my money on is language courses or programming.

I fully agree with you, most of these courses are just rip offs. If there was a perfect strategy to win in black jack everytime, why would people make them public? Casinos would just catch up on them and change their strategies. I mean it's almost 2021,all the information you need is available for free on the Internet. Why spend money if you can find the news yourself? There are plenty of books out there about beating the casinos. But people need to understand it's still not a guaranteed win. I would not buy any of these courses myself.

[TGD]

Casino already developed a defense mechanism to counter this card counting and I believe you are not aware on it because you start this discussion without considering it. There's a thing called CSM (continuous shuffling machine) and it destroys the card counting method.

In physical casino CSM is already widely used especially in Vegas but for online casino. They don't used that but rather putting random cards on the shoe and we can't guarantee if it's a complete deck or not because the last time I try to count some of the live blackjack game. I encounter 8 same card (Number and Symbol but not sure if see it correctly because its a 30mins game) on a 6 deck shoe. I believe there's no way to count card on that crazy deck.

[smyslov]

Also, fuck pretentious pros who sell online courses. The only courses I will spend my money on is language courses or programming.

I fully agree with you, most of these courses are just rip offs. If there was a perfect strategy to win in black jack everytime, why would people make them public? Casinos would just catch up on them and change their strategies. I mean it's almost 2021,all the information you need is available for free on the Internet. Why spend money if you can find the news yourself? There are plenty of books out there about beating the casinos. But people need to understand it's still not a guaranteed win. I would not buy any of these courses myself.

I don't believe that there are still comprehensive and effective card counting courses there is no such thing because these blackjack operators are miles ahead when it comes to blackjack,  they know all the things that players will employ and they made sure that they are competitive and the4y are sustainable but still players can still win.

[Yamifoud]

Also, fuck pretentious pros who sell online courses. The only courses I will spend my money on is language courses or programming.

I fully agree with you, most of these courses are just rip offs. If there was a perfect strategy to win in black jack everytime, why would people make them public? Casinos would just catch up on them and change their strategies. I mean it's almost 2021,all the information you need is available for free on the Internet. Why spend money if you can find the news yourself? There are plenty of books out there about beating the casinos. But people need to understand it's still not a guaranteed win. I would not buy any of these courses myself.

I don't believe that there are still comprehensive and effective card counting courses there is no such thing because these blackjack operators are miles ahead when it comes to blackjack,  they know all the things that players will employ and they made sure that they are competitive and the4y are sustainable but still players can still win.

That was so unfair. Did they just do this in order to save them not to lose?
This will give no interest to the gamblers, this will ruin everything, the trust, and the site owner. Gamblers are expecting a fair play and to win but because of what they have done by some casinos, it gives a way to step out and find another. This is an act of greediness and this badly making no sense to play blackjack knowing that we have no chance of winning.

[bitbollo]

I have seen some online casino force people to bet in order to continue to watch/play a blackjack game (maximum a couple of games of absence).
It force the user to play more and for each round! It reduce at minimum the advantage of card counting.
However this is not a 100% method for win.
I think it can be used in a face-2-face playing were you are able to watch and not forced to gamble, but I am not sure it really worth the time/risk/effort.

[Lakai01]

Those two statements fit perfectly:

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For us amateur gamblers there's no need for anything more than simple playing and enjoying the game.

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Perhaps you will have initial successes, but the boredom will likely kill it for you.

If someone takes the trouble to learn - and perfect - card counting in Blackjack, it is certainly not because they want to enjoy the game itself.
The motivation here is definitely to make as much profit as possible from the game. However, if you don't play for entertainment but to get rich as fast as possible - which is very unlikely as the statement of the MIT Blackjack team shows - the fun is completely lost.

I think it's obvious that you run the risk of becoming addicted very quickly and end up with far less money than you had at the beginning of your career:

Counterintuitively, in individuals with a gambling problem, losing money comes to trigger the rewarding release of dopamine almost to the same degree that winning does. As a result, in problem gamblers, losing sets off the urge to keep playing, rather than the disappointment that might prompt you to walk away, a phenomenon known as chasing losses.

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[uray]

This is very old technique and these days you can not make big money with this. House will catch you and will ban you from their casino. Even you will end up beaten by them badly.

This is a highly possible scenario in a physical casino that you will be beaten up for counting the cards and only in movies i have seen these kind of scenarios but i a virtual casino the house knows the situation and there will be a timer to counter that, not sure what is the solution they are using but these virtual casino will be aware of the thing and will have a solution to counter those.

[Google+]

I have seen some online casino force people to bet in order to continue to watch/play a blackjack game (maximum a couple of games of absence).
It force the user to play more and for each round! It reduce at minimum the advantage of card counting.
However this is not a 100% method for win.
I think it can be used in a face-2-face playing were you are able to watch and not forced to gamble, but I am not sure it really worth the time/risk/effort.

although your explanation can be like that, But unfortunately there are some places where their card gambling uses more than 1 card slot, meaning that when the game round is over, it is inputted into the shuffling machine and after that it uses the cards that have been shuffled to be distributed to the participants, meaning that it will be very it is difficult to do card calculations or predictions.

[Silberman]

In my opinion, card counting is applicable to online and physical casinos. I think iit works better in online casinos because there is nothing the house can do. There are other solutions and the solutions above are applicable mostly in physical casinos.

How to count cards in blackjack link:https://www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/how-to-count-cards/

Card counting is not really applicable online unless you are playing with a live dealer otherwise each time a new round begins the deck gets shuffled completely giving you no chance to use card counting at all, this is important to know since you do not want to apply card counting in those instances and you should just use the basic strategy and nothing else, however even when using this with a live dealer on an online casino the casino can simply cancel your account if they detect any indication you are using card counting, in a physical casino you could always get away with it if the dealer forgets the count or if you give enough good tips that he decides to ignore your profits that day, but in an online casino everything you do is recorded and a research on your betting patterns will reveal you as a card counter immediately.

[Lorence.xD]

That was so unfair. Did they just do this in order to save them not to lose?
This will give no interest to the gamblers, this will ruin everything, the trust, and the site owner. Gamblers are expecting a fair play and to win but because of what they have done by some casinos, it gives a way to step out and find another. This is an act of greediness and this badly making no sense to play blackjack knowing that we have no chance of winning.

That was my thought at first. I think that it is fair that the house will do anything to stop losses but there should be a certain balance that they should hit so the game is still fair and people are still playing while minimizing losses. I think the biggest dealbreaker is when people are continously winning and they get escorted out of the casino which pretty much taints the casinos image.

[johhnyUA]

This is a highly possible scenario in a physical casino that you will be beaten up for counting the cards and only in movies i have seen these kind of scenarios but i a virtual casino the house knows the situation and there will be a timer to counter that, not sure what is the solution they are using but these virtual casino will be aware of the thing and will have a solution to counter those.

I'm counting in my head pretty fast. Also, if you know even the basic of probability theory, there will be enough just one look into what hand do you have to choose what to do next. Here is my old post about probabilities in BJ this is finished pattern for you to act (at least i used it few times i played BJ with not bad results).

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More cards - worse. Less cards - better.

2. You just looking what you have on your hands (some number N).
21 - N = this is what do you need in card suits

3. (N*4 - needed_suits_on_your_hand) / 52 (full deck of cards) is the probability what do you need.

[DrG]

I counted cards for a couple years and did quite well in Vegas until they changed their behavior. I only went to big casinos so I wasn't beaten up like you see in the movies, but I wouldn't chance that at some off Strip joint.

These days they slow the pace and rotate out the dealer, or the Pit Boss will ask for your marker if you're doing large bets (like $3k per hand). Finally had a string of bad luck that took wind out of my sails - Luxor sucks at comps BTW. Bellagio and Tropicana were awesome.

[adzino]

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In my opinion, card counting is applicable to online and physical casinos. I think iit works better in online casinos because there is nothing the house can do. There are other solutions and the solutions above are applicable mostly in physical casinos.

How to count cards in blackjack link:https://www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/how-to-count-cards/

I highly doubt card counting is easier in online casinos (unless you are playing blackjack online with live dealers). In fact, its easier to do in physical casino and there is nothing much the house can do to stop it other than telling you to leave the table ( I don't think they call the police for such matter, since if I am not wrong, counting card is not illegal). They do take measures, but most casinos avoid those extra precautions you have mentioned since the games ends up being really slow. If you keep on winning or act suspicious, put you under surveillance. It's easier to avoid all those hassles in online casinos because everything is automated. Shuffling cards after each and every hands with multiple decks just takes few milliseconds!

[CarnagexD]

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In my opinion, card counting is applicable to online and physical casinos. I think iit works better in online casinos because there is nothing the house can do. There are other solutions and the solutions above are applicable mostly in physical casinos.

How to count cards in blackjack link:https://www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/how-to-count-cards/

I highly doubt card counting is easier in online casinos (unless you are playing blackjack online with live dealers).

You can't be sure if the card you counted is the same deck that you are playing to your current game in online casino which I highly doubt that it is easier than the physical casino. But yes, card counting is easier in live dealers coz you can basically have just a paper and pen on your side to list all the outs and possible next draw card. It is cheating but the casino won't see you lol...

Card counting is cheating in physical casinos, however I don't see  it on TOS of any casino, nor being discussed in several threads.

[Lorence.xD]

I highly doubt card counting is easier in online casinos (unless you are playing blackjack online with live dealers). In fact, its easier to do in physical casino and there is nothing much the house can do to stop it other than telling you to leave the table ( I don't think they call the police for such matter, since if I am not wrong, counting card is not illegal). They do take measures, but most casinos avoid those extra precautions you have mentioned since the games ends up being really slow. If you keep on winning or act suspicious, put you under surveillance. It's easier to avoid all those hassles in online casinos because everything is automated. Shuffling cards after each and every hands with multiple decks just takes few milliseconds!

You are saying the same thing as the other poster had already said to be honest. I posted a reply regarding card counting in online casino and it seems that you haven't seen it. I thought this thread is done already because most new replies are just a parroted sentence of early posters.