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Is there a reason why signatures are no longer displayed in the entire forum?
Since it has already been noticed by several users it should not be a problem for my user.

The checkmark at "Don't show users' signatures." is of course not set in my profile.
Is it an attempt to limit spam? 8)

I still see them... A bug, or is Theymos modifying SMF?

How about browser's adblock? Do you somewhat have them? Afaik some of the adblocks detected signatures as ads particularly. I can still see them.

Great thank you!
But the behaviour must have changed in the last minutes.

I use Firefox with the uBlock Origin plugin. This is the explanation. I deactivated it for bitcointalk and since then the display is as usual.
Thanks a lot!

Wot. I'm personally using Firefox(81.0.2 64-bit) with the uBlock Origin plugin for Bitcointalk and signatures were never blocked(at least in my experience).

I also use all the same, haven't disabled anything but I haven't seen any anomaly so far. Maybe it was a temporary glitch by uBlock Origin?

At first, when I installed uBlock by default it blocks some signatures spaces, forum ads, and other portions of some threads, I even noticed it too on the thread  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1610428.0)I made that if there's an ad/ads/advertisment related word the <div> and other elements were blocked/removed. So far its okay now as I set it up.

I use Firefox in version 82.0 (64-bit).
uBlock Origin was last updated to version 1.30.6 on October 22nd.

Very strange because until today about noon it was as usual. Since then the signatures are really only shown if the plugin is disabled.
I can still reproduce the behavior now.

The same happened with me last night using the exact same adblocker and browser. It happened whether I was logged in or not. Signatures were still visible on computers and browsers without uBlock origin installed.

It’s likely not a Firefox problem. What probably happened was, uBlock origin made a new built-in filter last night, that nailed all Bitcointalk signatures. I was going to create this thread, but I managed to solve it by turning off uBlock origin for Bitcointalk, and I thought it was a problem with my configuration. I guess you can do that too because it doesn’t have any tracking or ads in it, except for the top banner. But Theymos made sure to circumvent all adblockers in the banner HTML so that is why those still stayed even when adblockers were on, and while this bug happened.

So I guess it has something to do with the Firefox latest version. My Firefox version is still 81.0.2 (64-bit) just like mk4's, and I am using the latest version of uBlock Origin, 1.30.6 just like yours.

Try adding bitcointalk under trusted sites and see if it helps

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/07/19/Zl57J.png

I check manually every day is there new update for Firefox, and today I update to 82.0.1 - now I check again and there is 82.0.2. Personally, I didn't have any problems with signatures in combination with Firefox&uBlock Origin, but if Firefox has 2 updates in one day, it means that they probably messed something up.

I can still see the signatures. Even went through few random threads just to have an average ratio of signatures and it seems almost all of them can be seen except for newbies.

Best way go through any signature campaign thread and its all there!


I don't think adblocks has got to anything with the signatures really? Since there are no tracking codes embedded in the BBCode for signature as well as no cookies associated with all the signatures under every users, I barely doubt an adblocker can really work on that "space".^{How Ad Blocking Works (https://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/how-ad-blocking-works#:~:text=Ad%20blockers%20are%20applications%20(plugins,finds%20any%2C%20it%20blocks%20them.)}

With what can be read over quoted article I believe it may not be adblocker.

Very strange. The approach would have been understandable but unfortunately it was not. I updated Firefox to the latest version (82.0.2), restarted everything. Unchanged.

I have set bitcointalk.org as a trusted site. Unchanged.

I can't explain it but now the blocker just stays deactivated here. So it works as usual and maybe the thread helps someone else with the problem. Thank you!

If you want to know exactly why this is happening, open the "Events (https://i.imgur.com/anPDVH6_d.webp?maxwidth=728&fidelity=grand)" window, refresh the page and see what rule is blocking those elements.

I don't know for other adblockers but for uBlock it does, it appears that if uBlock cosmetic filtering is enabled, signatures and other images/media don't show properly, that eye icon on tryninja's uploaded image.

Good hint thanks. I will test it tomorrow when I get back to the affected computer. I will then gladly insert the findings here. Because the thread should also help if the problem occurs again where or other users are affected.

Ok, I found out what happened.

I also use uBlock Origin but the signatures were showing up fine. Just now, I had to clear the filters cache to load some custom rules I wrote. I came back to BitcoinTalk and the signatures were gone.

This is the rule blocking them:

Which is very weird, since signatures don't necessarily hold advertisements and this will block all of them (even the "normal" ones).

So, the uBlock Origin extension will also start blocking all signatures for new installations or for the users that decide to clear their filters list cache. If theymos wants to (or cares enough) he can just remove/rename the "signature" class of the div to bypass the filter.

I guess the uBlock Origin extension and/or Firefox updates includes external advertisements as suspicious websites such as the signatures in the forum, as it can be used to hide a certain phishing website in which not everyone in the forum, especially those who aren't aware of checking the reference website first before clicking the signature. Well, it was based on my understanding upon reading the uBlock github repos,^[1] in which all of those possible url indicated in a website (particularly those that aren't really connected with the real domain of the website -- this forum) is being treated as malicious website, hence blocking the whole signature element^[2].


[1] - https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/releases
[2] - https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/issues/1285

No. The rule was specifically created to block those elements on the forum. If you have the uBlock Origin extension and check the filters list, it says "bitcontalk.org##<rule>" for all the 3 rules:


Where the first was suggested on their subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/drmhuh/how_to_remove_ads_from_bitcointalkorg/

Never it did happen that I am losing sight with different kinds of signature here in the forum. I can see it brightly especially the high paying signature bounties that I wish I can join or be qualified to compete others to apply for it. Well, whatever the good news is that I had never experience seeing signatures remove especially the one that I am wearing to which I earn to support some expenses. It is a great help actually and thankful to the bounty managers that I was accepted and get paid.

With the addition of the site to trusted sites, signatures are displayed perfectly, and uBlock remains in working order.

Update:
This morning when I opened my Firefox browser and it had automatically updated to the latest version 82.0.2. As soon as I refreshed this thread. All the signatures disappear unlike yesterday before It had been updated. Which means uBlock Origin's signature blockade works with the latest version of Firefox. 

Quick work around

1. Open the uBlock Origin add-on and click on the eye icon to disable cosmetic filtering. The signatures will appear instantly while the add-on will remain running
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/07/19/Zl4IW.png

2. Add bitcointalk.org under trusted sites as i had suggested earlier

It works. Once you add bitcointalk.org make sure you click on "Apply Changes" then refresh the any thread that contain poster wearing signatures

I don't know why someone would want bitcointalk signatures universally blocked by an Adblocker yet the forum already has the option not to view signatures in the forum settings  ???
Not all signatures are Ads. Maybe Theymos can try and workout a solution.

Wow good catch, thanks!
But who really wishes for such things? ::)
I think the topic could become quite important. I will deposit it at theymos.

@trusted sites
Did you just add bitcointalk.org and that is enough?
It didn't work for me and so I leave uBlock generally disabled on the page here.

I am using uBlock Origin for years every day and I never had this issue on bitcointalk forum but looks like they added bitcointalk on some of their lists in recent versions like 1.30.8.
No wonder, as developers are updating it very often.

It would be good if theymos updates and renames this, but that makes me think if some individuals (and I can think of few of them) added this link on purpose as sabotage or revenge. :)

Yeah, I just added "bitcointalk.org" under trusted sites, saved changes, refreshed any forum thread where signatures were blocked, and they reappeared. Not sure why it didn't work for you.

I read the Reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/drmhuh/how_to_remove_ads_from_bitcointalkorg/) the OP wasn't even complaining about the signatures but rather the Forum ads that appear after the OP.


But the still went ahead and included the signatures filters. I am going to create a Reddit account and try asking them to reverse what they tried to do. Hope it yields positive results because not all signatures are Ads.

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Edit;
I made a post; https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/jkian0/request_to_reverse_bitcointalkorg_signature_block/ Suggestions or comments are welcome  :)

Same with Chrome Version 86.0.4240.111 (Official Build) (x86_64), signature disappear with uBlock Origin
1.30.6 is enabled.

Looks like you succeeded, congrats:

https://meem.link/i/a/UigF2m.jpg
Edited 2020-11-30 to fix a broken image

It's worrisome how easily they add and remove stuff when someone just asks on Reddit. A bit more due dilligence wouldn't hurt.

Even with adblocker (Brave) enabled, I'm still seeing ads.

Did you two read the whole thread? ;)
This is about the ad blocker of uBlock and the cause has already been found.

Actually it has been fixed.
Thanks a lot for the engagement logfiles. Look forward to the next update of the AddOn. Many thanks!

Seems to me they thought only ads are ever posted in users' signature area. Since adblocks are supposed to be blocking, well, ads, and ideally nothing else, at least they are consistent.

Has anything been changed? I have not seen the signature for over a week and since today the signatures are visible again, although I did not change/updated the browser nor the uBlock Origin addon.

Unlock Origin filter lists auto-update every week, which is where the filter blocking Bitcointalk signatures lives, so what must have happened at your end was your lists updated just after they made the filter, and then your lists updated again just now, to a new list that doesn’t have the sig ad filter.

Yes, there was already the rollback of the changes that caused us these problems.


With post at reddit this was initiated and meanwhile it is running as usual again :)

I noticed one weird thing today that I’m sure is caused by uBlock Origin. The part of the Meta board where we see who posted the last post is invisible (grayed out), and with uBlock turned off is working normal. So far I have not noticed any other problems.

https://i.imgur.com/3j3puXK.jpg

I have been seeing the same for a brief period of time, on a Firefox browser with Ublock Origin, but the effect seems to have evaporated after a while. I tried, at the time, with different browsers, and they did not display the grey matter on Meta’s last post area (no adblock type plugging on those).

I am under Chrome latest version with uBlock Origin installed. I was getting mad at it without knowing what was the cause. For about a week I supposed it was the VPN to cause that because browsing the forum without it activated I was able to see sigs (but I now remember I was under Firefox with no adblockers).
Good to know what happened; I can go back to my fav browsing settings.
By the way, thanks logfiles

Which version of Firefox and uBlock are you using? ???
For me with FF 82.0.2 (64-bit) and uBlock in version 1.30.6 it works correctly.
As we now know, it happens very quickly with changed behavior.

You might have mistakenly blocked it with the eye-dropper icon. Click on uBlock Origin, then on the icon with horizontal lines and dots on it to open the dashboard, go to “My Filters” and look for any line with bitcointalk.org in it and delete it.

Same issue as before.

The uBlock team only removed the filter rule that was blocking the signatures. They still left the one that blocks every span element with the text "Advert".

It blocked the element because of this post: Advertising shiller spotted! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266610.msg55560171#msg55560171)

As suggested before, just disable the uBlock extension on the forum (clicking on the on/off button)...

And someone will probably have to go complain to them again.

Well, I can't relate to what you mean actually, but if it's signatures not displaying in some topics , I can say that the only section that I noticed that signatures don't display is in the serious discussion section , but for every other sections, I see signatures still display as clear and as bright as always.

Maybe read the thread before commenting on it?

So annoying! I saw that too (always on chrome latest with uBlock Origin activated). I was actually thinking of some funny graphic glitch as I have an old laptop but then I remembered to come here and...bingo!
I disabled uBlock on the forum, end of story.

As TryNinja says it would help to read the thread to the end. The problem is solved by now and therefore it is clear that you can't reproduce it anymore.
And regarding the signature in the Serious discussion subboard, here is something for you:


Now you know too ;)

I am on 82.0.3 (64-bit) and also 1.30.6 uBLock, and as DdmrDdmr say in his post it obviously lasted a very short time. It seems that the guys from uBlock have been playing a bit lately, but luckily everything is quickly returning to normal.

Now I have recreated and documented what TryNinja had already written here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5284999.msg55564475#msg55564475).

OK:
https://abload.de/img/unbenannt1a3kt7.png

not OK:
https://abload.de/img/unbenannt2unjyt.png

The wrong/blocked display happens if the following thread is at the top of the meta area: Advertising shiller spotted! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266610.0)

The problem is not that bad, but currently there are only 3 solutions.
1. someone takes care of the correction via reddit like last time.
2. uBlock is deactivated for the page.
3. ignore and accept it.