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before now primedice and stake showed your your profit or loss  stats, now u have to contact the support to get that info.
i find this scam-my. i see no reason why a gambling sit should hit a players stat from the player without his consent.
this is more of mind fucking, they dont let you know if you are loosing so much so you quit gambling or if you are winning.
the fact that no one s questioning this baffles me.
eddie, stunna and anyone else running the site needs to work on their transparency.
for now, i see this as a scam to lure players to bet more.
lets say u are winning 0.2btc, they might tell u u are loosing 0.1btc and u will be lured and tempted to play more and recover it, that way u increase your chances of loosing.

TO THOSE OF YOU THAT DONT READ BUT JUMP TO ASK ME TO CONTACT SUPPORT. SOMEONE IN THE COMMENT CONTACTED SUPPORT AND THEY GAVE NO  GOOD REASON FOR THIS

Every gambler is allocated with support members who are always available to provide whatever the information you request associated with your account. Earlier the stats can be seen on the profile itself, now it's been removed. Just for this reason you can't term a reputed gambling site to be a scam. If the support members haven't responded then I can agree on your statement. They've got attractive bonus and other updates to attract the gamblers. What you state has never been an issue till date.

From the point of view of psychology and human behavior, decision-making and internal reasoning for decision-making, the lack of the necessary information often prompts to make rash and wrong decisions.
 Lack of access to personal information or restrictions and difficulties in such access, of course, create psychological prerequisites for false motivation.  From this point of view, any restriction of access to statistics erases from the player's memory a part of his loss, and vice versa makes him remember about winning.  And, yes, this is an additional motivation to increase activity.  
This is how it works.  
But this is all outside the field of jurisdiction and concerns only the moral and ethical attitudes of the devs.

There might be a reason that they hide it, just not quite sure if they intentionally hide it or not but that doesn't mean it's a form of scam. Also I think this thread belongs to scam accusations.

I see it as a funny accusation to be honest, why they need to tell you a lie when you ask your gambling stats? To make you gambling more as what you think? I do not think Stake is that bad to tell you a lie about your own stats, if they do it means that they are risking their reputation that they gained for years. Do you think it is worth for them to do so? You as a gambler should know your own limit, dont gamble more because your stats is not good. If you think this is as scammy, you will say the same even if you can see your own stats without asking to the support because you may say that your stats is not as it should be or in other words, you may accuse them providing wrong stats. Come on dude, your reason does not make senses at all. You are the one responsible for your own gambling activity, if you do not want to lose more and more then simply create your own gambling stats. You can create a spreadsheet of your own gambling activity if you do not trust the stats provided by the casino. Calculate your own winning and losing so you wont play over your own limit.

appart from delfastTions all the people that posted above are just plain ass delusional  or paid to promote stake and primedice.
i have complained about this before and they never responded. why will a site hide the most important info of a player and u call them legit?
and yes there is a high possibiity of them not giving u your exact stats so u can play more  and loose. if they cant explain why the stats are hidden then its a scam until proven other wise

what makes them reputed? can u just ht the point i am making and stop ass licking these guys? as a gambler, we are entitled to see our stats, for them not to be showing it means they have a motive for behind the hidden stats.
my stats is my property, i have the right to know what it is. for now, i still stand on my point that this is a form of scam.
as for reputation, i posted about betking being a scam and people like u bashed me that they are very reputable. in the end, they ran away with peoples investments.
stop ass licking and see things as they are.

I suggest you ask them why they hide those things. I know that their support team will glad to give clarification and doubts. Just give them time to reply or make a follow-up.

Well, I understand that you want transaparency but the thing is not necessary for me at all. Besides, if you have an account on their site you can simply take a glimpse at you dashboard, tracing back to your bet to see if you won or just loss because I believe it was been recorded as a form of transaction history.

what if i have close to a million bets n a session, how do i trace back all the bets? is that not punishment?

i just asked and the reply they gave made no sense at all. they wont even tell me what my monthly crypto stats was.
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Most provably there are reason why they do that and best to get a answer to there support so that you will get an accurate answer unto this queries and yu cannot call a casino as scam for that matters. Maybe if you don't like it better not to play since it's not hassle play if you have doubts in certain casino's here.

Also maybe best to became open minded and absorb what they answer to you if you already ask about this unto them if you still don't understand better ask again since they are the one who can clarify this things.

you might be right with your speculation they might be a tactic that would let the player play more I think accusing them as a scam is inappropriate if that is your basis. i'm not quite sure if i played on those already but for me it's not a big deal if i don't see such things but i think they should publicized it for the peace of mind of players.

If not showing player's stats is a form of scam, means that there are so many casinos are scams because there are many casinos where players do not even has the chance to know their stats.
Are you trying to tell us that all sites like that as scam? If so, then why do you focus on Stake and Primedice only?
I do not understand the logic you have for this accusation.
Lets say if it is really happening on any sites where they give you wrong information about your stats which makes you force yourself try to get a better stats but you lose more.
In this case you cant blame the site because you get more loses, because it is your own fault as you force yourself to gamble more.
All in all, looking at your own gambling stats can be something good and bad at the same time.
It is good when see it as a way to control your gambling activity better but it is bad if the stats makes you play out of your own control.

most of u here sound like u are paid to come type trash here. tell me which acclaimed top casino site hides stats from players. is it bitsler?  or fortune jack?

I think it is a problem that can be solved quickly, maybe they are implementing a new type of control for statistics, these platforms have an impeccable reputation, both stunna and eddie are not going to do this type of act to harm their customers, maybe Wait a bit and they will give you a good report of your statistics.

I just spoke with a member of their customer support team regarding this as I was curios as well. They said they removed the profit/loss information because the stats were not accurate according to him. Data such as rakeback and race wins wasn't reflected apparently. He also said players can contact the support anytime they want to view their records. Not the optimal solution, but that's how it is now.   

So they're not going to have stats at all for now at least, I wouldn't say just because they're not showing profit/loss stats they are definitely trying to pull something here but I agree with OP that they should be transparent and have some sort of a profit and loss stats for their users to see where they stand in terms of profit once in a while, I certainly prefer to have access to my betting profit statistics at all times even if it is not that accurate instead of having to contact their support to get those stats every single time.

P.S. This topic probably should be moved to "Gambling Discussion" section.

Perhaps they are just working on the stats in the mean time that's why they don't display it? I don't see it as a scammy practice really, but may be unethical since you should be transparent to your players on their stats to know how much they already spent or how exactly they are faring against your site. For the side of the players though, they should know themselves whether they are playing too much and losing too much. If you are living on an average paycheck, you should know this since there's only little money to play with and most of the time it goes to your expenses and savings.


Kinda understand this sentiment since it's really hard to keep a database of such stats for years. Also take into account the number of unique players to have visited and played in the site since its inception, together with the duplicates before the one account per person rule was imposed. I still think that they can just make a 2-yr history max for all players and it wouldn't be a strain for the database and also to their system, and inaccuracies will also be avoided given how narrow the data set would be.

bitsler, fortune jack and many others are also old and they still show players their stats. there is no justifiable reason to hid a players stats

Calling reputed sites like Stake and Primedice scams by creating new threads and spreading hate against them on their ANN threads without any tangible evidence is pointless and senseless op.

Both these sites made a wrong move by hiding player statistics which is the only part in your statement that makes sense.

They need to resolve this issue asap since this isn't a pro consumer move. Honestly, they should work on resolving their issues like laggy performance etc instead of creating new issues.

For me, withdrawals and deposits also disappeared in the transaction history, I dont know why.

Op, I agree with you that stats are important and help to make decisions as well as fulfill the curiosity if knowing whether you are winning or losing overall. However, not displaying the stats is not illegal, and does not mean a casino is scamming people. Why not make it as a suggestion to return the stats, explain the benefits for players and gather people who are in favour? I think making it a friendly reasonable suggestion would be more effective than accusing a solid team of scamming people.

stop this ass licking man. these is how u guys scream reputable when i called out dean and betking and people like u made them run with peoples money.
you are seeing something that tells bad about a site and u are saying because they are reputable i should not call them out then they do shitt?
why will a site hide important info about a player and make it only visible to the admin?
dont i have the right to see an instant update of my stats? i do not have issues with the speed. i am a mauual player. if you have issues with speed, contact them or open a thread for that. if you got nothing reasonable to say, just avoid the thread.

all these are tricks to make u loose focus and loose more cash. why will they remove withdrawals and deposit tab? does that affect the bonus too?

A scam is a deceptive scheme or trick used to cheat someone out of something, especially money.
now tell me how this is not a scam if i get to loose money as a result of this deception. you think scam is only when someone runs away with your money?

Hiding stats doesn't literally mean that they are a scam. Scamming means that they're taking money from you without anything in return. But in the case of hiding the stats but you can even ask them to get that info, that's not a scam. You have the option to do so but if they don't give you an option to know those stats, you sure will be pissed off by that. You, as a customer or probably a loyal user of that casino, they will hear your concern not unless they are firm with their decision and there must be some internal reasons why they do that. Stunna/Micro, they've been around here for a long time and respected by most people that knew them because they are real to their business. Your concern is a form of dissatisfaction from the change that they've made but they have given you the solution by asking them.

It's pointless trying to argue with op since everyone can clearly see that he is simply barking without proper reasoning. This guy clearly needs to get his head checked.

Anyone with a half decent brain knows how legitimate Stake and Primedice are. They have made many mistakes and I notice issues on their sites regularly, but that is completely normal and doesn't indicate them scamming people or anything.

the fact that u still came here to type your trash on ops thread is clear proof that your brain is filled with poop ::)

When you mentioned about scam, it is not all about the stats being hidden or shown. The important thing is you can withdraw and deposit without issues or problems and they don't steal your money. I'm sure they have a reason why they hide the stats. You can ask their customer support or one of their team member why the stats is hidden.

As stated on OP, there was someone who ask that to their support and they answered they can't give the data.

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i very doubt this is scam (they have been on here since years), but just wanna know what is the real reason of this

Did you asked if they plan to fix the issue and bring that feature back? It would be a waste of time for both players and support in the long run if this isn't fixed.

Their response to personally contact them as a temporary solution looks good but it looks like they actually don't have the correct data judging from Cryptobillionaire's comment https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285404.msg55483944#msg55483944 [see screenshots]

Read Pmalek's comment above.

I would not rather check my stats if the stats is not visible to players. Well, it's up to op what op wants. It's either he withdraw and gamble on other site that shows the stats or stay as it is and wait for them to fix the issue about stats. If I were to stay, I would not bother with the stats if it is not accurate.

Do you contact their support? They can update or change the site structure, don't be too hasty to conclude an unspecified issue. I have known them for a long time and many times other people say they have problems but everything is fine after that.

having inaccurate stat could lead to problems(not sure what but it could). the gambling site did the right thing by removing the profit stat but they should have informed and explained to their gamblers about the inaccurate profit stats and their plans of removing it at the moment before finally removing the feature on their website.

For example, I don't look my full stats so often, so I will not get tempted to recover that lost amount! Sometimes running for recovery can only lead you to more loses, that's right, so I don't look so far in the past, I play for today. If I am good I am good, and I gamble on more than one site, so keeping track of all that would be just pain in the ass, I like to play and I like when I win, and I never gamble to recover what I lost!
Maybe for some professionals stats are important, and they pay attention on that more than others. In that case just find a site where they offer that, there's no need to call one scam- my because they don't have something you would like them to have! Just move on...find the place that suits your standards!

Transparency, is something we believe in  :)

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I know your casino if fair and operating since a long time but to be honest these threads are created just to hurt the reputation of primedice and stake which is really something I was hoping people won't appreciate and I request you all to avoid posting here because it only encourages the trolls more.

If you don't know your stats you can always message support team and they will give you the numbers so I don't know what all the fuss is about here and yeah having profit and loss stats is good because it helps you keep in check how much you have lose but now showing it to the user in profile doesn't tag them as cheaters.

I was betting on stake on UFC and got some free bonus just because the fighter won via KO so I mean why would they even scam if they are giving out such promotions on the other hand.

Statistics is a topic that for many is synonymous with transparency, but when observing and seeing the reputation of the site it is not logical to call it a scam, they already said that if you request your statistics they will offer them to you.

Whether they want to remove it or not, is the site's decision. Ask for your stats, I'm sure they don't cheat.

I'm not sure you can get about asking your stats to them everytime you want. I mean they have lot of user everyday, how can they reply all user who want to know about their stats in everyday?

Maybe we just need to maintain our balance by ourself to see whether we are in profit or not (Remember how much balance we have before gamble, during gamble and after gamble)

That’s right and I’m sure the site updated you with regards to this changes and if you requested for it, then’ll give it to you in time but not a scam at all. If you are not ok with these terms and conditions you can just leave the site easily and look for the best site that can satisfy you, the house will always encourage us to bet more because its their business so if you have a weak emotion and have no plan in gambling at all, then its your fault if you fall on this.

You can think of this whole discussion as a constructive criticism of the gambling platform's service. These stats are useful and helpful for players who gambled there for a decent amount of time and not for someone [maybe like you] who bets there occasionally. There are probably less than 5% who keeps a personal spreadsheet to monitor their wins and losses.

Primedice and Stake doesn't seem to be doing a good job about that based on what I've read so far. It is their responsibility to provide correct information. They owe it to their long time players at least.

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I'm sure they have a computerized system. They can easily pull it out from their servers.

Are you doing this? How many games do you play in a day or in a week?

You can track your profit for any given session using livestats which almost no other casinos offer, you can message support to get your overall profit which includes a ton of different factors like races,rakeback,reloads, coupons. We have been looking at making it so you can download an excel document with a full breakdown of everything but it has always been clear on the stats modal that you can message live support to get your overall data breakdown within minutes. I cannot for the life of me see how this makes primedice/stake a "scam" if anything it is slightly inconvenient and is on our radar.

No member has validated the statement about contacting support and everything will be given so far. What's stated in your site could be different from what you actually do like the case of this guy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285404.msg55483944#msg55483944 Can you look into that?

Downloadable file sounds good.

My assumption is that they gave that user their overall stats, they were not able to break it down to only the most recent month.

this is the issue. they couldnt break it down the way it was suppose to be broken down so what is the reason for contacting support if they cant break it down properly. as a player not get the exact stats can make u loose more that u planned loosing. and scam here is not that u are running away with peoples money or not paying. like i said, it is a form of scam because there is very big possibility of a player loosing more money because of this. besides contacting support while playing is distracting. i am talking from the practical point of view.
if your support can see stats, i dont see why it should be difficult for u to make players see their stats oonce they click stats. stats is the most important info to a player.

Okay I see. Is that something you plan on adding in your support? That option should always be available since those stats can be even more important to players. It doesn't make sense to withhold such information.

Also please respond to this

Bijan you and your boyfriend Edward are one of biggest scammers in bitcoin history, but i must say that you are genius thief.
People still defending you cuz they got withdraw and they are thinking that's your sites are legit.
Someday you will pay for this scam, i really believe in it.
BTW: You know how Stunna friends call him? "Most successful guy in Australia" :D
You must understand that this sites are not legit and stunna is thief.
Please stunna tell people from where you take money to open primedice :)
I must add that cenzorship on stake/pd topics working perfect.

Interesting topic, how come that not telling you your status became a scam? I think you misunderstood the word scam or you have your own definition of it? I think that might be just a trick for me that feature is not important or you were just looking to point out something to the sites so you would be able to destroy their reputation?

That my friend is : strategies that these sites use to actually hook in the customers. It's nothing wrong , nothing like a scam , but they just use the emotions and the words to actually change the perspective of the person as a whole.
I believe if a site is doing that and you are unhappy , you can very easily:
- log into different site
- use your own calculator and see for yourself
Both of these methods will work but what am more baffled about is someone using that remaining 0.1 btc to gain 0.1 more... See 0.1 btc is already a huge amount and if someone is gambling with it and looses it. Cool down , give it time, take a break. Don't do anything in the heat of the moment... Sooner or later you might regret it.

That's just use of words , strategical planning and not a scam.

go check what manipulative scam is. u think scam is only when someone out rightly takes ur money?

Manipulative? If you say this word then you need to prove which one is the correct/real data/statistic or you need to have your own data to be compared to the one you accuse as manipulated data. As I can see here, you are assuming only and you may say the same thing against all other sites even if the sites does show your statistic.

played in the site and noticed it too. hiding a players stats is shady as fuk. and yes i will agree with op , it looks like a scam and a scam is not only when money is outrightly taken from you. luring people against their will is a scam

From my experience in gambling i don't really think that such option of been quits when ever gambling is against player is in existence and if it happen to exist I think many people won't have lose a chance of winning, except options is already in existence and the site or management of website fails to compromised. So in other hands it can be an avenue to scam if such implementations exist and them refused to admit it.

Hey,

We just recently removed those from our sites. Decision to do that was split between us but eventually we decided to do it like that because most casinos don't show you stats.

But until we maybe decide to bring that back you can always contact our 24/7 support to get your stats anytime you want them.

Scam if there's a complaint against them, players losing money from their wallet.

I guess just give them enough time to fix this issue, in fact for the meanwhile, you can choose other gambling sites that suit your taste, there are too many of them that you can choose. But calling a scam isn't appropriate, they had been here for how many years and I think they will not ruin their reputation for a small amount that you deposited.

Speaking of manipulated, I don't think so. Because you yourself can verify your account status.

I think even almost all of casinos always give us our stats (it can be our profit/loss stats, faucet stats, race, etc) which we can check anytime we want without ask to support.

But if those feature removed and our bets will be become faster, i support it (love to see my bet goes faster on dice game)

Stats might be important to some gambler but telling this moved as a scam needs an explanation from the team especially if you already asked them to send your stats and didn’t receive any responses is indeed alarming.

I don’t look on my stats honestly since I think it doesn’t affect my gambling moment and beside playing on Casinos is the same, you get nothing from the house and you can’t even ask for any stats or history of your bet but it doesn’t mean that they are scam and cheating on you, you just have to understand the changes.

Personally,  I do think it's much better if stats and history of a user can be accessible anytime.
Better to display these kind of user gambling on site data.
I don't see any reason why some casinos choose to not display it.
But being that, it's does not mean that the casino is scam, for a reputable casino like Stake, I believe they would not sacrifice their's to scam gamblers, they have been on the industry for years.

But yeah, in my opinion, transparency is essential, it is better served conviently to the part of the player.

Understand that not every casino has the same features, they disable it for a reason but you can't call them scammy when you can ask that information from the support. You can only call them as scam if they violate the license agreement from their provider, or simply not releasing your withdrawal or not grading your winning bet. If you find not comfortable using the site anymore, there's still a lot out there which could give what you are looking for, but they are not as reputable as stake, my 2 cents.

Indeed, they are doing this for a reason but would likely to know it as well for the benefits of everyone and the transparency of the site.
Well, I don't think that was important for everyone to see others stat nor you can see the others as well.

I will consider as a challenge for the OP to dig deeper. If that he can provide solid proof making these sites scammy, that is a big shamed for them since more people are trusting them. But until now, we can't draw into the conclusion that they are scammy or even alike because of that certain feature until proven guilty.

you guys are getting my point all wrong. as regard paying out winnings, primedice, stake tops the list.
i am not talking about financial scam here. i said hiding stats makes the site questionable.

Why are you lying mladen ? You didnt recently removed stats from site, devs make it more than 1 year ago.
How you can trust this site if CEO was beggar? Check Micro first posts on this forum, before joining this scam project he was begging for cents xD
Remember people without honor never change.

becouse for this idiot's if site paid it is legit, they even didnt know about sites like 999dice.

i am really surprised at the way these guys reason. once any scam or insincere topic s been raised, all they think of is a site running away with your money. any real gambler knows that hiding of stats can cause a player to loose. if a site makes me loose my money in a tricky way, is that not scam?. 999dce u mentoned paid u every winning but they where still scammers. i am glad u made me remember this site

It's not like they've hidden the stats all of the sudden.
You've signed up and started playing with these rules, means you accept them. Complaining afterwards is just silly.

I made account when they havent hidden the stats, i accepted this rules and they change it.
Of course this is ok for you? :)

Wouldn't call it a from of scam it is surely a deceptive behaviour; I don't like this new "improvement" by PD and Stake and cannot find a reasonable explanation for it: I am always checking my stats on gambling sites, exchanges and everywhere my money are involved so being prevented to do so is something I really dont like.
Also couldn't find any public statementabout this innovation and will be grateful if I missed it and someone might address me to it eventually.

Honestly, most people don't read the rules or T&C while signing up on a site since they wish to finish the registration process as quickly as possible. Stake and Primedice did hide the stats suddenly which op noticed though he is blowing it out of proportion.

This doesn't imply that these popular casino sites are scams or anything obviously, but they aren't being transparent by doing hiding player stats which is why gamblers have a right to complain about it.

They are not required to display this information in the account. Sometimes you see that as an extra piece of service.

I also think that you can get a kind of printout or overview of all transactions and net turnover and profits or something similar.

Most of us keep track of how much you normally are in plus or minus. but I certainly wouldn't call it scam. not even in the smallest of concepts

Gamblers had the rights to know all the necessary information regarding into their gambling stats.I havent visited out primedice and stake for a while and if thats
the case that they had just restrict it out and do ask out first before you do able to do so then thats a bit questionable but what ever it is,
theres always an explanation to that.

For now the best thing to do is to wait up on what Stunna/ management would say about this issue so that it would be clarified and clear things up.

You didnt read topic and posts yea ? Why you make reply without reading post's? You are just spamming for campaign ? :)

Disagree with your, fair, opinion : so also your bank is not required to provide you overall balance of your account? Should you go through all that manual hassle to keep track of all your transactions by yourself?

I realize that I am taking the concept to an extreme and that they are two different cases (but not too much after all);  but don't you think that by doing so they have worsened the service they provide to their customers? those same customers who come and wager their money on their sites?

he will tell you that a casino and a bank are incomparable. the way these guys reason is beyond my imagination. stats id the most important info to a player. hiding it defeats fairness

Pretty sure there are some users that joined their website before the removal of their betting stats.


I don't know why some members are trying so hard to defend something that is obviously not very normal for online casinos and it never should become something normal, when you have a gambling website one of the most basic things that is needed for you to do is to give the users of your website some kind of stats so that they can check out how they are doing from time to time profit wise, by not having these stats available at all time you're kind of giving the signal that there's something wrong with your whole system and it will lead people to question the legitimacy and fairness of your website, and having to contact support for stats every time won't do the job and is not transparent enough.

For those who think that it's okay and not a huge problem, why? When I have access to statistics, that way I know how much I have lost and how much I have won. This helps me to analyze whether it really worths for me to gamble. If I have a lot of loses, then I may understand that I spend too much time on gambling and the way I spend money doesn't benefit me, instead, I feel regress. This is the data that you can analyze and understand a lot of things and psychology behind your gambling behaviours. This is the data that you create so, why someone has to just ignore and don't show it to me?
This fact doesn't mean that these casinos are a scam but it's shady behaviour. Despite the fact that I love and respect PD and Stake, if that really happens that way, then it's unfair and should be fixed as soon as possible. Every casino has to support responsible gambling, it's their duty too.

they are just asslickers. they know its wrong but they just wanna lick the casino owner ass clean. i am glad to see that there are still some unbiased users in the forum

you said it all man. i am sure many people must have lost fortunes because of this shady trick