primedice and stake dont show you your profit stats, its a trick to mak u loose

[Yogee]

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I would not rather check my stats if the stats is not visible to players. Well, it's up to op what op wants. It's either he withdraw and gamble on other site that shows the stats or stay as it is and wait for them to fix the issue about stats. If I were to stay, I would not bother with the stats if it is not accurate.

You can think of this whole discussion as a constructive criticism of the gambling platform's service. These stats are useful and helpful for players who gambled there for a decent amount of time and not for someone [maybe like you] who bets there occasionally. There are probably less than 5% who keeps a personal spreadsheet to monitor their wins and losses.

Primedice and Stake doesn't seem to be doing a good job about that based on what I've read so far. It is their responsibility to provide correct information. They owe it to their long time players at least.

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I'm not sure you can get about asking your stats to them everytime you want. I mean they have lot of user everyday, how can they reply all user who want to know about their stats in everyday?

I'm sure they have a computerized system. They can easily pull it out from their servers.

Maybe we just need to maintain our balance by ourself to see whether we are in profit or not (Remember how much balance we have before gamble, during gamble and after gamble)

Are you doing this? How many games do you play in a day or in a week?

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[Stunna]

Perhaps they are just working on the stats in the mean time that's why they don't display it? I don't see it as a scammy practice really, but may be unethical since you should be transparent to your players on their stats to know how much they already spent or how exactly they are faring against your site. For the side of the players though, they should know themselves whether they are playing too much and losing too much. If you are living on an average paycheck, you should know this since there's only little money to play with and most of the time it goes to your expenses and savings.

I just spoke with a member of their customer support team regarding this as I was curios as well. They said they removed the profit/loss information because the stats were not accurate according to him. Data such as rakeback and race wins wasn't reflected apparently. He also said players can contact the support anytime they want to view their records. Not the optimal solution, but that's how it is now.  

Kinda understand this sentiment since it's really hard to keep a database of such stats for years. Also take into account the number of unique players to have visited and played in the site since its inception, together with the duplicates before the one account per person rule was imposed. I still think that they can just make a 2-yr history max for all players and it wouldn't be a strain for the database and also to their system, and inaccuracies will also be avoided given how narrow the data set would be.

You can track your profit for any given session using livestats which almost no other casinos offer, you can message support to get your overall profit which includes a ton of different factors like races,rakeback,reloads, coupons. We have been looking at making it so you can download an excel document with a full breakdown of everything but it has always been clear on the stats modal that you can message live support to get your overall data breakdown within minutes. I cannot for the life of me see how this makes primedice/stake a "scam" if anything it is slightly inconvenient and is on our radar.

[Yogee]

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You can track your profit for any given session using livestats which almost no other casinos offer, you can message support to get your overall profit which includes a ton of different factors like races,rakeback,reloads, coupons. We have been looking at making it so you can download an excel document with a full breakdown of everything but it has always been clear on the stats modal that you can message live support to get your overall data breakdown within minutes. I cannot for the life of me see how this makes primedice/stake a "scam" if anything it is slightly inconvenient and is on our radar.

No member has validated the statement about contacting support and everything will be given so far. What's stated in your site could be different from what you actually do like the case of this guy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285404.msg55483944#msg55483944 Can you look into that?

Downloadable file sounds good.

[Stunna]

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You can track your profit for any given session using livestats which almost no other casinos offer, you can message support to get your overall profit which includes a ton of different factors like races,rakeback,reloads, coupons. We have been looking at making it so you can download an excel document with a full breakdown of everything but it has always been clear on the stats modal that you can message live support to get your overall data breakdown within minutes. I cannot for the life of me see how this makes primedice/stake a "scam" if anything it is slightly inconvenient and is on our radar.

No member has validated the statement about contacting support and everything will be given so far. What's stated in your site could be different from what you actually do like the case of this guy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285404.msg55483944#msg55483944 Can you look into that?

Downloadable file sounds good.

My assumption is that they gave that user their overall stats, they were not able to break it down to only the most recent month.

[RichGang]

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You can track your profit for any given session using livestats which almost no other casinos offer, you can message support to get your overall profit which includes a ton of different factors like races,rakeback,reloads, coupons. We have been looking at making it so you can download an excel document with a full breakdown of everything but it has always been clear on the stats modal that you can message live support to get your overall data breakdown within minutes. I cannot for the life of me see how this makes primedice/stake a "scam" if anything it is slightly inconvenient and is on our radar.

No member has validated the statement about contacting support and everything will be given so far. What's stated in your site could be different from what you actually do like the case of this guy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285404.msg55483944#msg55483944 Can you look into that?

Downloadable file sounds good.

My assumption is that they gave that user their overall stats, they were not able to break it down to only the most recent month.

this is the issue. they couldnt break it down the way it was suppose to be broken down so what is the reason for contacting support if they cant break it down properly. as a player not get the exact stats can make u loose more that u planned loosing. and scam here is not that u are running away with peoples money or not paying. like i said, it is a form of scam because there is very big possibility of a player loosing more money because of this. besides contacting support while playing is distracting. i am talking from the practical point of view.
if your support can see stats, i dont see why it should be difficult for u to make players see their stats oonce they click stats. stats is the most important info to a player.

[Yogee]

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My assumption is that they gave that user their overall stats, they were not able to break it down to only the most recent month.

Okay I see. Is that something you plan on adding in your support? That option should always be available since those stats can be even more important to players. It doesn't make sense to withhold such information.

Also please respond to this

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Did you asked if they plan to fix the issue and bring that feature back? It would be a waste of time for both players and support in the long run if this isn't fixed.

[Grab]

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You can track your profit for any given session using livestats which almost no other casinos offer, you can message support to get your overall profit which includes a ton of different factors like races,rakeback,reloads, coupons. We have been looking at making it so you can download an excel document with a full breakdown of everything but it has always been clear on the stats modal that you can message live support to get your overall data breakdown within minutes. I cannot for the life of me see how this makes primedice/stake a "scam" if anything it is slightly inconvenient and is on our radar.

No member has validated the statement about contacting support and everything will be given so far. What's stated in your site could be different from what you actually do like the case of this guy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285404.msg55483944#msg55483944 Can you look into that?

Downloadable file sounds good.

My assumption is that they gave that user their overall stats, they were not able to break it down to only the most recent month.

Bijan you and your boyfriend Edward are one of biggest scammers in bitcoin history, but i must say that you are genius thief.
People still defending you cuz they got withdraw and they are thinking that's your sites are legit.
Someday you will pay for this scam, i really believe in it.
BTW: You know how Stunna friends call him? "Most successful guy in Australia"
You must understand that this sites are not legit and stunna is thief.
Please stunna tell people from where you take money to open primedice
I must add that cenzorship on stake/pd topics working perfect.

[john_nautica]

Interesting topic, how come that not telling you your status became a scam? I think you misunderstood the word scam or you have your own definition of it? I think that might be just a trick for me that feature is not important or you were just looking to point out something to the sites so you would be able to destroy their reputation?

[fiulpro]

That my friend is : strategies that these sites use to actually hook in the customers. It's nothing wrong , nothing like a scam , but they just use the emotions and the words to actually change the perspective of the person as a whole.
I believe if a site is doing that and you are unhappy , you can very easily:
- log into different site
- use your own calculator and see for yourself
Both of these methods will work but what am more baffled about is someone using that remaining 0.1 btc to gain 0.1 more... See 0.1 btc is already a huge amount and if someone is gambling with it and looses it. Cool down , give it time, take a break. Don't do anything in the heat of the moment... Sooner or later you might regret it.

That's just use of words , strategical planning and not a scam.

[RichGang]

That my friend is : strategies that these sites use to actually hook in the customers. It's nothing wrong , nothing like a scam , but they just use the emotions and the words to actually change the perspective of the person as a whole.
I believe if a site is doing that and you are unhappy , you can very easily:
- log into different site
- use your own calculator and see for yourself
Both of these methods will work but what am more baffled about is someone using that remaining 0.1 btc to gain 0.1 more... See 0.1 btc is already a huge amount and if someone is gambling with it and looses it. Cool down , give it time, take a break. Don't do anything in the heat of the moment... Sooner or later you might regret it.

That's just use of words , strategical planning and not a scam.

go check what manipulative scam is. u think scam is only when someone out rightly takes ur money?

[Bitinity]

That my friend is : strategies that these sites use to actually hook in the customers. It's nothing wrong , nothing like a scam , but they just use the emotions and the words to actually change the perspective of the person as a whole.
I believe if a site is doing that and you are unhappy , you can very easily:
- log into different site
- use your own calculator and see for yourself
Both of these methods will work but what am more baffled about is someone using that remaining 0.1 btc to gain 0.1 more... See 0.1 btc is already a huge amount and if someone is gambling with it and looses it. Cool down , give it time, take a break. Don't do anything in the heat of the moment... Sooner or later you might regret it.

That's just use of words , strategical planning and not a scam.

go check what manipulative scam is. u think scam is only when someone out rightly takes ur money?

Manipulative? If you say this word then you need to prove which one is the correct/real data/statistic or you need to have your own data to be compared to the one you accuse as manipulated data. As I can see here, you are assuming only and you may say the same thing against all other sites even if the sites does show your statistic.

[rationalgene]

I suggest you ask them why they hide those things. I know that their support team will glad to give clarification and doubts. Just give them time to reply or make a follow-up.

Well, I understand that you want transaparency but the thing is not necessary for me at all. Besides, if you have an account on their site you can simply take a glimpse at you dashboard, tracing back to your bet to see if you won or just loss because I believe it was been recorded as a form of transaction history.

i just asked and the reply they gave made no sense at all. they wont even tell me what my monthly crypto stats was.
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played in the site and noticed it too. hiding a players stats is shady as fuk. and yes i will agree with op , it looks like a scam and a scam is not only when money is outrightly taken from you. luring people against their will is a scam

[GeorgeJohn]

From my experience in gambling i don't really think that such option of been quits when ever gambling is against player is in existence and if it happen to exist I think many people won't have lose a chance of winning, except options is already in existence and the site or management of website fails to compromised. So in other hands it can be an avenue to scam if such implementations exist and them refused to admit it.

[MICRO]

Hey,

We just recently removed those from our sites. Decision to do that was split between us but eventually we decided to do it like that because most casinos don't show you stats.

But until we maybe decide to bring that back you can always contact our 24/7 support to get your stats anytime you want them.

[ReiMomo]

I suggest you ask them why they hide those things. I know that their support team will glad to give clarification and doubts. Just give them time to reply or make a follow-up.

Well, I understand that you want transaparency but the thing is not necessary for me at all. Besides, if you have an account on their site you can simply take a glimpse at you dashboard, tracing back to your bet to see if you won or just loss because I believe it was been recorded as a form of transaction history.

i just asked and the reply they gave made no sense at all. they wont even tell me what my monthly crypto stats was.

played in the site and noticed it too. hiding a players stats is shady as fuk. and yes i will agree with op , it looks like a scam and a scam is not only when money is outrightly taken from you. luring people against their will is a scam

Scam if there's a complaint against them, players losing money from their wallet.

I guess just give them enough time to fix this issue, in fact for the meanwhile, you can choose other gambling sites that suit your taste, there are too many of them that you can choose. But calling a scam isn't appropriate, they had been here for how many years and I think they will not ruin their reputation for a small amount that you deposited.

Speaking of manipulated, I don't think so. Because you yourself can verify your account status.

[janggernaut]

Hey,

We just recently removed those from our sites. Decision to do that was split between us but eventually we decided to do it like that because most casinos don't show you stats.

But until we maybe decide to bring that back you can always contact our 24/7 support to get your stats anytime you want them.

I think even almost all of casinos always give us our stats (it can be our profit/loss stats, faucet stats, race, etc) which we can check anytime we want without ask to support.

But if those feature removed and our bets will be become faster, i support it (love to see my bet goes faster on dice game)

[samcrypto]

Stats might be important to some gambler but telling this moved as a scam needs an explanation from the team especially if you already asked them to send your stats and didn’t receive any responses is indeed alarming.

I don’t look on my stats honestly since I think it doesn’t affect my gambling moment and beside playing on Casinos is the same, you get nothing from the house and you can’t even ask for any stats or history of your bet but it doesn’t mean that they are scam and cheating on you, you just have to understand the changes.

[Eureka_07]

Personally,  I do think it's much better if stats and history of a user can be accessible anytime.
Better to display these kind of user gambling on site data.
I don't see any reason why some casinos choose to not display it.
But being that, it's does not mean that the casino is scam, for a reputable casino like Stake, I believe they would not sacrifice their's to scam gamblers, they have been on the industry for years.

But yeah, in my opinion, transparency is essential, it is better served conviently to the part of the player.

[freedomgo]

Understand that not every casino has the same features, they disable it for a reason but you can't call them scammy when you can ask that information from the support. You can only call them as scam if they violate the license agreement from their provider, or simply not releasing your withdrawal or not grading your winning bet. If you find not comfortable using the site anymore, there's still a lot out there which could give what you are looking for, but they are not as reputable as stake, my 2 cents.

[Yamifoud]

Personally,  I do think it's much better if stats and history of a user can be accessible anytime.
Better to display these kind of user gambling on site data.
I don't see any reason why some casinos choose to not display it.
But being that, it's does not mean that the casino is scam, for a reputable casino like Stake, I believe they would not sacrifice their's to scam gamblers, they have been on the industry for years.

But yeah, in my opinion, transparency is essential, it is better served conviently to the part of the player.

Indeed, they are doing this for a reason but would likely to know it as well for the benefits of everyone and the transparency of the site.
Well, I don't think that was important for everyone to see others stat nor you can see the others as well.

I will consider as a challenge for the OP to dig deeper. If that he can provide solid proof making these sites scammy, that is a big shamed for them since more people are trusting them. But until now, we can't draw into the conclusion that they are scammy or even alike because of that certain feature until proven guilty.