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Honestly I'm really sad when I came across few posts on this forum about giving bounty managers red trust if they don't Escrow their campaigns, what the hell is going on with bounty hunters? Why do you care only about your rewards but not about your bounty managers? Do you guys even know how hard it is to manage a campaign? Before crucifying any bounty manager pls take up the role and fix whatever you want to fix and let's see how that turns out for you.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285647.0


Just because bounty hunters are too harsh on bounty managers bubbalex ( one of the best bounty manager on this forum) decide to quit bounty managing, he said bounty hunters cares only about themselves and he is damn right, while you guys are pulling this up some very good bounty managers are quiting, ask yourselves, is this what you want?


bubbalex have been praised many time on this forum for his hardworking and carefully pickings of bounties, he cares about his reputation and he loves his followers but in return bounty hunters shows no love, always craving for their dollars, please try to be in shoes of others before judging them

What many of you don't get is majority of projects team decides on escrowing or not, this is not bounty managers call, how many escrowed bounties turned out well for you this year? If I can remember very well all the projects that paid very well aren't Escrowed, bubbalex don't use escrow but limited participants only and yes his projects are damn successful

Have some God damn respect and show some love, bounty managers are doing what they can, use your own God damn skills too, if we end up losing reputable bounty managers the situation will worse even more

Hey cheer up this is an open forum where we can tackle everything that concerns Cryptocurrency and our work, people are disappointed because the project they are working turn to scam and they can voice it out and that doesn't mean they are ungrateful, how do you feel if you worked for 6 months and you did not get your rewards or the projects turn scam, and you complain and because of that. we are ungrateful?

Honest bounty hunters deserves payment and it is a manager responsibility to do his best for this, there is no need to blame any side. I expressed my opinion in that thread about escrow and trust. I'm taking pause from bounty management due my own reasons. I don't need extra attention. Thank you.

No doubt bounty manager has serious work and management work and its really time consuming but we also know that most of the campaigns have failed to pay bounty hunters there hard earned rewards so making bounty manager responsible for this is the way out. If you have any other solutions you can share that here.

6 months seem too much, I would really be upset if the team enjoys the success of the project but not paying a single dime to the bounty hunters who promoted them faithfully for 6 months. I would accuse scam to the team.

Bounty hunters have no one else to push but the bounty manager when they are not paid too. They could also blame themselves for joining a campaign of a project that has an unreliable team.

None I can think of only two things accept the fate that even if you done your research there's still a possibility that you will not get paid, token will be lock or project is scam, or bounty hunters push for escrow and if the project is a potential scam exposed them and report them.

Most frequently asked questions by bounty hunters (poor of me, I also ever did the same at that time, and after learning more here, I am so pitiful and sorry for this because doing some of these):
- When distribution?
- When exchange?
- Why the price is so low?
- Why my stake is not counted?
- Why I don't get the reward?
- Why the distribution is extended?
- Why the project is failed?
- Can I get rewards?
And so on. And most pitiful again is that they ask similar questions in a quite similar time, in case, they can read the information above his chat and he still asks about the same question.

Actually, asking the questions is not that wrong because they want to ensure to get their right to rewards. But if there has been clear information and also new information, we need to wait for that, Check and recheck the information is also very important in the bounty group and also project groups. because BM may not all know about the projects because they are not the team, they only the BM who help the project.

And if we are afraid of getting scammed, this is also our task to analyze the project whether it is legit or scam.

And about escrow, many BM also has implemented this. And if you want all BM to do the same, it means that the participants may be very limited to only certain eligible members.

don't mind them even thought they wanted to do it i never think someone will support them most of us here know that no one will support if and if someone will support it they're just the bounty hunters but a support from the higher rank members and default trust users i don't think they will support it.

After done a bounty campaign, hunters even do not bother to monitor the project if they skip or live. So how you can expect they will care about the campaign manager? I have remembered when I have fight BQT token. But unfortunately, we hadn't found any response from the bounty hunters. Ridiculous that we were fighting for them.

If the manager could escrow the funds then it's fine, but it's quite complicated for a token campaign. For the BTC campaign, the escrow fund is quite easy. I can't comment about escrow for the token campaign since the token isn't worthy before listing on the exchange.

On all the years that I am doing bounty hunting over four years, I found out that there is no such thing as ungrateful bounty hunter you can correct me if I'm wrong I have been to a lot, bounty hunters will always follow the rules, will always do as the rules and managers says and they will always patient in waiting for their rewards, and they don't have to say how thankful they are because they worked months for pennies, they pay for electricity and connection, and they spend their time.. and they get scam and get pennies for so many months of works and it's a fact.

This is not the age of slavery, if a worker get their salary they don't have to kiss somebody's ass because they are given work.

I was sad when hearing BM with a good quality, competent, and honest, decided to quit. They have worked hard, but are not supported by some of the participants who think of themselves. does not make sense, why did this happen.

Joining bounties is joining at your own risks, rules can be changed, payment can be delayed, projects can decide to quit, get used to it, this is what crypto bounties is all about, every day isn't Christmas where you expect to get good gifts, most times things won't go the way we want, if you can't endure all this then don't bother joining any bounty campaigns

When you joined bounty it is also the responsibility of the bounty participants to monitor the project. To check the project status if they already hit the soft cap and other requirements needed to make the project successful. This is not only to blame the manager once project failed. When you joined bounty it is not expect to earn profit right away.

Sometimes it isn't just the hunters that put pressure on them it is also the work and of course other BM,
We shouldn't blame them for the project becoming scam or didn't pay up their hunters it was the team's fault not the BM they are only managing the bounty.
But we also shouldn't forget that it is their job as a bounty manager to look into the project if they could be trusted or not.

I just saw that thread a while ago I think the user who created that might be really tired of the bounty campaigns that doesn't pay the participants, he or she thought by encouraging his fellow bounty hunters to tag or create a flag to the bounty managers could result to a revolutionary action that would push the bounty manager to escrow the fund of the bounty campaign. We can't really blame him for that.

Don't be surprised by those reaction. Many have been scammed already by any type of project you could think of. ICOs? IEOs? STOs?
People just do sometimes what it means to stop scams, because those scams are like snake pits found everywhere and anyone still falls for the obvious. Take the red tag as a warning to how would you approach the BM with that reputation.
I believe that red tags are reversible anyway once the user proved something.

I have been a bounty manager as well as bounty hunter, I know the pain which bounty managers go through wherein we have to deal with loads of scammers and deal with abuses and trolls from bounty hunters. If the management delays payout or abandons project then we are blamed and rewarded with negative tag, I feel pity on bounty managers but on the other hand there are lot of scam projects who waste hunter's time and effort which makes them doubt even in genuine projects.

Abuses and trolls towards bounty managers need to be stopped.

It is natural my friend, when the hunters will not receive the reward after following all the eules of the campaigns and working for months what do you expect them to be? They will obviously be ungrateful and even abusive which are seen in telegram channels of such campaigns.

Why do you care if some random people without default trust give red trust to managers for not escrowing? If anybody reads the trust comment they'll know it's not a big deal and that the trust was given without reason.

On the other hand I keep telling people to watch out for campaigns that pay with unlisted tokens that don't have any value yet. Then the token never gets listed or gets listed on some small and scammy exchanges with no volume and hunters complain they lost time in the campaign.

Bounty hunters as well as the bounty managers are working for money so we can't force them to stay without clear explanation of when they are going to take their rewards for the tasks done.Yes, bounty managers are not responsible for the project team's delay for distribution and also they have no control over the funds as well that is why bounty hunters are asking for the escrow its rarely happens in the bounty campaigns but should be implemented with every bounty to ensure the credibility of bounty campaigns and its future.

I have no doubt' Bubbalex really a serious BM, where he want follow good project without looking her salary. There are many managers who are just ready to make money and work on scam projects without research. However there are many projects that can invent many rules during token distribution so we should active in bounty group everyday.

yeah, but good manager has to be able to handle that, it is not good when teams invent new rule before distribution, and then bounty hunter work is diminished if he did not saw some rules
you have done the work, and if that work is accepted, than BM should work out a way to inform you about changed rules after bounty is held, should not be other way around that you have to follow everything daily, to see if someone changed something

I don't think demanding an escrow is bad well they can ask for an escrow but if the projects really doesn't wanted to use an escrow they can either leave or don't join the campaign. I think that user who wanted to tag bounty managers for not using an escrow doesn't well and only cares for himself for what I've know some bounty management is much harder than doing the bounty campaigns since you needed to check all the participants, take care of the spreadsheet and the likes and more.

lol, even they ask about something that nothing to do with bounty managers, and they ask those questions on and on. who won't be annoyed about that ? they won't ask so many sane question if they follow the update and some news about the projects.

Most times the hunters are only voicing put their pain as most bounty managers do not understand what it means to work for some months only to end up being told stories about how the project turned out to be unsuccessful.
But if a bounty manager cares about his reputation, then he should double up efforts in selecting good and quality bounties before presenting to the masses.

A bounty that has an escrow is better, this is to ensure the bounty hunters will get their rewards after the work is done.

However its not on the hands of bounty managers. They are not at fault if there are delays or we're not get paid because its in the control of the dev and team, they are the one to decide and responsible for the payment.

So dont put the blame to bounty managers because they're just doing their job to get paid just like bounty hunters.

I don't have participated in the bounty campaigns of bubbalex but if many users agree with you then it is ok to look for guilty team members. The bounties don't worth being a participant and that is why the activity has dropped since 2017 when the bounty hunters were able to receive the monthly $1000 by just being a participant of bounty campaigns on the forum.

Why does this happen so often? they said dirty even angry because the project failed and blame BM, why don't they blame the project team?
even though BM has done its best by analyzing the project before promoting it and has reminded bounty hunters to always do their own analysis before joining.

Bounty hunters are mad maybe because the project didn’t meet their expectation and that is normal for the hunters to react like that, but to blame the manager is not a good one.

I worked with Bubbalex before and he handles the campaign very well, but what he can’t control is the project itself so to those hunters who go beyond the limit, should be limited from participating again so they can learn the lesson as well, not every project will turned as your profitable bounty, expect a downside as well..

unfortunately there are so many bounty hunters who cannot accept the situation. expectations are too high, and in a hurry.
even though from the start, many bounty managers have warned that rules can change at any time, including postponed distribution, reduced allocations, etc.

if you are not ready for that risk, then don't become a bounty hunter.

Bubbalex is indeed one of the bounty managers who has a pretty good reputation and really cares about bounty hunters. Even though it doesn't provide escrow, it is always intense regarding the search for solutions to reward payments which are full of drama.

OP's advice is very wise, hopefully many will realize this.

It is the bounty hunter's responsibility to choose which project he will promote and in the first place, they are not obliged by BM to participate with the program. The BM is just in-charge of counting the stakes and make sure that he has clear communication with the project team regarding distribution. Other than that, they are also hanging in the air and can't answer with all the complaints as he has no control with the project. If you are a bounty hunter, just stick to btc-paying campaigns if you don't want any headache.

Back then BTC price is moving high and ICO were making their way to be popular, the timing of bounties those days were so good that many is able to gain alot. But after 2017 ATH and scammy ICO appears doing bounty is hard to deal now, and bounty managers have problems dealing with the company or even finding a good project since there is no really guarantee that the project will be successful. Many good bounty managers back then left already. Now the only thing bounty hunters can do is not to fully rely on who is the bounty manager but with the project goal and chance of being successful it's our will whether we will join or not, no need to blame the bounty managers.

Bounty hunters are making a move nowadays to make the campaign managers buy escrow service. Its not a good thing but this will certainly will force projects to think about the bounty hunters as bounty hunters are being treated as slaves nowadays.

Yeah you are right about bounty hunters obligation but BM is job is not only for counting stakes and managing it. There reputation will reflect what campaign there managing so its not that simple, For example if a reputable BM will promote scam, obviously bounty hunters will still swarm in to join the campaign without doing research about the project because they trust BM. BM needs to check review first the campaign before he accepts the job offer.

About the flag, red trust and whatsoever for not escrowing the funds. That is not appropriate move for using that feature of the forum. That user who created the thread is not knowledgeable on how trust and flag systems work here.

Well this topic is about to get very interesting if the 4-year trend continues and we keep seeing blockchain adoption catalysts.  High bitcion prices means everything else follows and that's going to drive even more new coin projects and new bounty programs.

Escrow is an option and it's not mandatory, but bubbalex is one of the best bounty managers on the forum even though I don't really remember having followed a project he managed or not, I saw the projects he worked on were mostly quality,
Bubbalex indeed often limits participants who participate in his campaign and that's good, because if there are too many the prizes will be less, this is where the role of the bounty manager must be wise when making decisions.

I see we need to reduce stress here. Agree that there are many scam projects, but for good BMs we need to respect their decisions and their jobs. This bubbalex's problem with the bounty hunter is absolutely correct and I support his decision, which will be a loss for bounty hunters, as we do not appreciate the work of the BMs. .

The scam project will continue to exist but it can still be avoided. Likewise, the complaints will continue to exist by people in turn. Even when the value of the payment was only down by 1 cent, some hunters would still complain to the bounty manager. If the hunters' habit was to join the bounty blindly without research, would they also bother considering the status of escrow?

Keep in mind that a developer can do anything with the power of their smartcontract, and escrow is useless.
And I'm not going to pollute the trust scores of all the managers for not escrowing, but I'm not going to join the bounty so as not to complain.

Bubbalex have announced that he is taking a break not because of how ungrateful bounty hunters are, that erased all claims already don't you think so OP? I was aware that bounty hunters that participate in DIA campaign trouble bubbalex too much about payment but I don't blame bounty hunters.

Participants will ask about their question exactly with when distribution for coin reward? many mistake make by bounty manager campaign with promise bounty reward send after campaign end one or two weeks, but when have experience manager campaign will give promise one moth after bounty ended reward distribution and exactly they send depend with their promise. But have mistake with participants when asking when exchange on bounty telegram group, manager campaign of bounty not have responsibility for an exchange, they just update information about bounty campaign and give distribution only, for exchange we have ask to developer of coin.

Ahahaha, i had to mertit this because you hit the core nerve of every bounty project i ever ran.
90% of the hunters can't see past their own nose, let alone do some research and decide if the project is for them or not.
F**k it, most of them don't even speak english, just lurk in bounty board and sign up for whatever says "new"

And you're right, whatever you do, if you're 2 harsh, people hate you. If you're too lenient, people hate you.
In the end, BM always becomes a scammer who is scamming hunters. I got sick and tired of it, that's why i don't chase active bounty management anymore.

Because in the end, whatever you do, you'll be a scammer in someone's eyes.

it's caused by mostly if social media participants didn't even know how to read, how to cursor the group carefully as they were asking the same things so many times. These idiot hunters were always spamming the group.
They didn't even know what they have been doing. I have been watching it so many times.

Lol and you just took the word right outta my mouth  ;D left with nothing to say......
Okey let me just say, it takes a whole lot of patience to be a bm -  I have not yet manage one but I can already tell from being a participant, I mean you need a thick skin and some meanness to subdue those army of hunters that will invade your bounty (no joke)

Lets be real, 90% of hunters don't read any rules relating to the bounty they claim to be promoting, so repetitive questions becomes the order of the day, (someone already list those very frequently ask questions of hunters in previous page ;D) and you as a bm will find yourself answering them a zillion time none stop,

And the list of hunters misdeed goes on, the selfishness of many hunters make them to overlook the pressure the bm's are also going through, not that bm's are without any fault of their own but some hunters are more of a pain than support, and sadly nothing can be done to remedy the behaviour of some hunters even after spending so much time as one they still behave the same.

Sorry to hear that from you @btcltcdigger, you are one of the best bounty managers on here, if you guys are really backing up what OP is saying then its actually true, i'm wondering how many reputable bounty managers are affected by this, bounty hunters need to calm the hell down and start putting themselves in others shoes first before judging, managing bounty campaigns isn't also easy as many thoughts

It's very painful when we don't get paid, bounty hunters have their painful moments too but that doesn't mean they shouldn't try to understand their bounty managers, it's not a easy job to manage, bounty managers went through alot for us so let's show some appreciations some times

I dont think being grateful needs any effort as well. Now it is painful to see work and time gone to waste but this should act as a lesson for many bounty hunters. They must realize from this that majority of the projects they join in are ending up as failures and thus assume that the time they spent making articles, doing translations or just spamming twitter is going to go to a waste unless they get lucky that one time in a million.

Sadly the projects look for cheap labor and they are protected by their own terms. Bounty hunters are literally powerless to do anything even if they feel like shouting at the project owners. Like always I would remind them to move on to bitcoin paying signature campaigns from this lesson.

I assume they didn't know how really hard to handle a bounty campaign with a lot of participants I think these bounty participants (Not all) are just thinking about themselves I think it's too much that they are planning to tag them for not using an escrow that's really ridiculous.

Guess everyone has greed in them after all, bounty hunters have the right to get paid, they work every day to promote a new project and they spend money on data too, it's never easy to make money, once the bounty campaign is over they have the right to ask for payment too but some bounty hunters always take things too far, they decide to start sending threat messages to bounty manager, this is so wrong, bounty managers are always under the rules of the project team, we can't always blame them.

You can see it from both perspectives. One is the bounty hunter who wants a confirmed payment of a shitcoin that is according to them going to be the next bitcoin. On the other hand we have managers who are willing to promote the bounty at a cost and doing the job well, but are unable to confirm any escrow because the team does not want to.

Ultimately the hunters become angry on the manager, which is normal. But truely speaking being so self-entitled is wrong here. They never think of moving to bitcoin payment campaigns which are much better.

It is actually wrong to say bad things or words towards bounty managers who doesn't escrow their campaigns or the bounty reward, this is because escrowing a reward is another thing altogether owing to the fact it falls on the team to either agree or reject it, therefore a bounty manager getting a bounty campaign but failing to escrow it, shouldn't be blamed. Also, owing to the fact this particular issues is most of the times out of the hands of managers, it is now left the bounty hunter to either join the bounty or look towards another.
However, from another point of view, all these bad words on bounty managers and so on were all borne out of frustration and anger of working for weeks only for the team to delay distribution and so on.
Nevertheless, bounty hunters should try and understand that some things are always out of the control of the bounty managers and in that effect should endeavour to appreciate the good managers who always see it fit that the team keeps to their promises.

Bitcoin payment campaign or bounty is always been better because you do know that you would able to recieve that is something which had a value and not some shit token, but the question is - would they really
pay in the end of the duration of the campaign? and also they wont waste up their accumulated btc just to pay out into their marketing if they can pay some shitty token.

I did actually get the point on what op is being stated on here but im just on the neutral side on where bounty hunters do have the right to express out their feelings but its a bit unethical if they do directly
give out some negative trust without verifying everything. For self-team project manager who do handle out the campaign then it might be worth but for known managers of this
forum then its better not to conclude directly.

Bounty hunters do have some mistakes for sometime but this isnt really that much of an issue actually.

While this is true, altcoin bounties, while rare and very few, hold the potential of netting you huge amounts of money.
Some projects will succeed, 99% will fail.
But those that survive usually have a great payout.
I remember one altcoin bounty where i sold the tokens from it for over 30 ETH. At that time it was just shy of 1 BTC.
For 6 weeks of bounty, that's an awesome payout

right ,only few projects can survive and the rest will die. If we compare bounty hunting today and before , well i chose before because  exciting and huge rewards on every bounty , i also remember a project were i get 2 btc in exchange of a.4 week work.

Why do you decided to stop participating in "altcoin bounty campaign" and switched to participating in campaigns that pays in bitcoin? Why do you decided to stop searching for that "special gem among all that crap around" ? :) 30 ETH for 6 weeks will be much better than 60$ weekly, even if it would take a year to find such a campaign.

P.S. Why you have resigned from managing bounty campaigns? Because of ungrateful hunters ?

so many questions running in your mind buddy . he stop because of the uncertainty of the alts/tokens paying bounty . he got tired oh hunting that gem in short . btc/usd paying campaign per week is not a crap but it was the real gem .

i say gem not because they are hard to find but because they have a real value and it wont change . token and altcoin value can change , they can be high the moment you got them but they can go dumping the moment you decide to sell them .

what they know to do to give more and more pressure to the manager but they didn't even know what they were doing. There are so many bots in the social media bounty.
Those bounty participants were a fully uneducated person.
They only care about the reward. that's why some managers even banning some people who keep asking the same question over 1000times in the group.
So many education about that but the hunters were still blindly never take care of it.

I dont know why you have answered in his place, but I suppose your opinion equals his, as mine is the same. But, I'm about to "turn to the dark side". Seeing how successful DIA and Free TON bounties are, and how they come one after another, it might look like the finding gem is not that hard. Once I've participated in token-paid-signature bounties, but later switched to BTC paying as they are more stable. Now I have thought to return.

No back to topic - how can bounty hunters be grateful? What should they do? Stop asking stupid questions and read few posts above ? That can be fixed by muting bounty group and post only updates/DM can be switched to "contacts only". Make strict rules and hard bounty tasks, this will cut off all those who came for easy money.

you can check the bounty section, there are new people managing bounties. Competition + tons of scam bounty everyday and most of the time today bounty payment isnt that great anymore.

Quite the correct point. They would rather keep the more secure/stable asset aka bitcoin with them and use their token to pay because they know it is a shitcoin. ;D

But honestly, only the hunters care about each other and in a toxic way to the rest of the community. They fail to understand how this forum works and become less mature about handling things like negative trust and scam projects. Thus the reason why the established members of this forum have a dislike regarding them.

Anyway the middle ground for them is to take their risks for real, accept that the project is a failure and move on.

Scam projects are the bigger issue IMO.

Bounty hunting is not profitable anymore as like the old days. Now bounty hunting is boring,  because of scam bounties, payment not given even there is already a date,  bounties will be distributed in 4 phases,  they give the reward but after a week the team abandoned the project.

So you managed BQT campaign? I can't believe and forget what BQT team did to hunters, although I received the token via airdrop at little quantity. Their locking method wwa outrageous making hunters left with worthless coinc in their wallet.

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Of course, hunters deserve to receive their rewards whether the project succeed or not, listed on exchange or not, it up to them to receive their rewards, so long as the BM delivers to them their rewards, they are not to be blamed, and that should be target of BM. The reverse case  sets BM to be blamed.

I do hope that bounty managers will start using escrow on bounties because not all new projects have good team, some of them are so mean that they will start rubbishing bounty hunters when it's time to pay them for their work, a perfect example of such team is Bitwings

Yes, these days finding good bounty is very difficult however people still work for bounty with a hope that they will get some coins which may perform better in the future.

Fellow bitcoiner, it is not upto them to decide whether they can escrow the bounty pool tokens or not. It depends on the team's decision, the manager is only a paid employee in this forum for them to promote their project.

The bad news is that we have several well known bounty managers but many of them are less known and they are unscrupulous. The low income country resident managers will be like that because once the well known managers refuse the project because they are not using an escrow the team will turn to these less known managers for taking the job.

Ultimately it becomes a waste of time for the bounty hunter.

Due to high competition of management then its expected that there would be lots of people who are willing to take the task in case those reputable managers would pass out their offers or simply
they dont like for the project to be promoted because reputable managers would really be keen on accepting project to be handled.

Some do make out research first and if they do find out that the project is shady or doesnt agree with the terms then they do tackled on.

End of thing that these managers are just employees of said projects but there are managers which are part of the team but you can actually point it out which one is not and part of it.

Quite correct, and that is unhealthy for the system but nobody cares actually because this forum was not built for such projects, they are a side thing here. The objective of this forum is to discuss crypto so alike minded people can get to know more. Not a spamming cult for getting paid in shitcoins.

Rarely mate, rarely. Most bounty hunters are pretty illiterate as well. I have talked to many and were surprised to see how misinformed many are. Being foolish is one thing but being dumb about when to post in all caps in an investors group does not look good.

Totally, they are employees and they are also getting scammed if the project turned out to be a scam. Most of them end up as failures as well, so its not an easy job for them.

To be honest, 99.99% of the bounty hunters are not "really" supporting the projects. They're only here for the money. Once distributed and got exchanged, their support is no more, leaving the Telegram group and proceed to the next one. It's a hit and run game. It's not healthy when they keep asking about distribution, exchange, airdrop schedule, stake issues, etc., and cared less about the project. The sad reality is that they're only paying attention to the stakes, tokens assigned to them, etc.

As a hunter myself, I feel ashamed. From the very beginning until now, I have never complained on whatever reward they are giving me. Even if it's a very low reward, I am very grateful no matter what. Even if they only give me few stakes than the others, I'm still very grateful. Way better than none.