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Title: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: Vispilio on November 07, 2020, 06:52:45 PM
Crooked "democrat" ~suchmoon deleted my outsider's point of view,

so here is a new thread to analyze the US elections circus:


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One tweet to sum this debacle all up, and it's very concerning for what world politics and state vs constituency relations have become (or perhaps it was always a total farce and only now in the information age, people know for certain)

1) The president of the currently leading nation on Earth claims that he has won this election "by a lot"

2) An American Tech company, as it has selectively done so on many other occasions (and like many others of its kind), immediately censors his free speech with a tag and continues to assume a very partial role in what's supposed to be "Free and Fair" elections

3) Almost the entirety of western mainstream media, amidst tremendous controversy regarding vote counts and mail-in ballots, and despite the Republicans already employing every legal means to contest the results, continue to act like Biden has won under the most normal circumstances...


https://i.imgyukle.com/2020/11/07/Ibl8B6.png


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: KingScorpio on November 07, 2020, 07:27:50 PM
democrats will become a laughing stock if they will steal trump presidency with their frauded voting scam


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: sirazimuth on November 07, 2020, 08:50:18 PM
democrats will become a laughing stock if they will steal trump presidency with their frauded voting scam

Actually your retarded baseless  posts are the laughing stock to anyone who bothers to read them that doesn't already have you on ignore.


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: suchmoon on November 07, 2020, 09:13:34 PM
What a crybaby... Biden has won and absent any substantiated legal challenges it doesn't matter what Trump says. The few lawsuits that he tried to file have been thrown out. He has no grounds to dispute it.

If he doesn't like Twitter he can go on 8chan or wherever QAnonists congregate.


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: Spendulus on November 08, 2020, 05:16:16 PM
democrats will become a laughing stock if they will steal trump presidency with their frauded voting scam

https://www.kdnuggets.com/2020/09/diy-election-fraud-analysis-benfords-law.html


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: KingScorpio on November 08, 2020, 05:59:30 PM
democrats will become a laughing stock if they will steal trump presidency with their frauded voting scam

https://www.kdnuggets.com/2020/09/diy-election-fraud-analysis-benfords-law.html

well so called "evidence" is useless if you use it to surpress someone else, based on that "evidence"

the democrats are not just crooked they are also corrupt fashist and evil they have become what they pretend to fight.


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: suchmoon on November 09, 2020, 02:00:14 AM
The amount of reported incidents of election fraud gimmicks is through the roof.  You would be hard pressed to list them all because there are so many.

Everyone is a "reporter" these days thanks to the intertubes. But if I "report" that chemtrails make frogs gay that doesn't mean Trump won the election.

Proven cases of election fraud however are extremely rare.


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: ReggieBush on November 09, 2020, 02:08:33 AM
This is hands down an obvious fraud. If these evil commies get in it's all over.. for crypto too!


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: Spendulus on November 09, 2020, 03:16:22 AM
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Since the democrats didn't have enough degenerates, pink-haired fags, and taco bell illegals to vote for Bribem, they started rigging the vote via ballot dumps and voting machine software fraud.  The amount of reported incidents of election fraud gimmicks is through the roof.  You would be hard pressed to list them all because there are so many.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320x240q90/922/81jgpf.jpg


And this they've been trying to suppress it or ban those who post it.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/wait_just_a_minute_some_very_good_news_may_be_coming.html#.X6gS8eqEf_g.twitter




Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: Vispilio on November 09, 2020, 01:41:22 PM
It's the first time I've seen a case where both the mainstream media and social media / search engines led by tech giants are so clearly in favor of and partial to 1 candidate and extremely
hostile against another, who happens to be the sitting president by the way ;)

I think that alone speaks volumes and merits a very deep investigation. The first question I would ask: who is the deep dark authority that is giving Silicon Valley such confidence that they have the brazen audacity to censor a sitting US president (while the mainstream media is even just cutting him off mid interview) and so nonchalantly interfere in what was supposed to be Free and Fair elections, by systematically and unanimously working like fanatic Democratic partisans months and years ahead of this election ?..


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: Spendulus on November 09, 2020, 03:03:03 PM
It's the first time I've seen a case where both the mainstream media and social media / search engines led by tech giants are so clearly in favor of and partial to 1 candidate and extremely
hostile against another, who happens to be the sitting president by the way ;)
...

A sitting president of the US who has started zero wars, incidentally.

If the Biden-Zombie wobbles to the White House, it will not be more than a year before our armed forces are in action.


450,000 in just one batch of suspicious ballots?

https://thepostmillennial.com/sydney-powell-claims-there-are-450-000-ballots-that-voted-only-for-biden-left-the-rest-blank


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: sirazimuth on November 09, 2020, 11:31:32 PM
snip....

https://www.kdnuggets.com/2020/09/diy-election-fraud-analysis-benfords-law.html

Hey dude thanx for reminding me about Benford's Law.
Did you actually look at the statewide vote counts for each candidate to see if the data set does indeed follow Benford's Law?
I did. And it does.
The statewide vote count data set followed the law to the tea.... ie leading digits of the data are not evenly distributed.
The lower the  value of leading digit, the higher the frequency and vice versa, exactly what you see when you look at the statewide vote count for each candidate.
In other words, applying Benford's Law yields no evidence of  fraud. Here, see for yourself. (https://www.yahoo.com/elections)
Then again I suppose you could posit the fraudsters were well versed on Bedford’s Law so when they cooked the books
they made sure to make lower leading digits on data occur with more frequency so it (Benford's Law) wouldn’t be violated .
Occam’s Razor etc....

Here's a great explanation of it. (The Benford Law link on that wonky website you linked just sent me round in circles.)

https://www.eipartnership.net/rapid-response/what-the-election-results-dont-tell-us


Time to accept your guy lost fair and square and stop this silly voter fraud nonsense. Or not....


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: BADecker on November 09, 2020, 11:48:13 PM
snip....

https://www.kdnuggets.com/2020/09/diy-election-fraud-analysis-benfords-law.html

Hey dude thanx for reminding me about Benford's Law.
Did you actually look at the statewide vote counts for each candidate to see if the data set does indeed follow Benford's Law?
I did. And it does.
The statewide vote count data set followed the law to the tea.... ie leading digits of the data are not evenly distributed.
The lower the  value of leading digit, the higher the frequency and vice versa, exactly what you see when you look at the statewide vote count for each candidate.
In other words, applying Benford's Law yields no evidence of  fraud. Here, see for yourself. (https://www.yahoo.com/elections)
Then again I suppose you could posit the fraudsters were well versed on Bedford’s Law so when they cooked the books
they made sure to make lower leading digits on data occur with more frequency so it (Benford's Law) wouldn’t be violated .
Occam’s Razor etc....

Here's a great explanation of it. (The Benford Law link on that wonky website you linked just sent me round in circles.)

https://www.eipartnership.net/rapid-response/what-the-election-results-dont-tell-us


Time to accept your guy lost fair and square and stop this silly voter fraud nonsense. Or not....

All you are saying is that Benford's Law proves that all the States and their electronic voting machines, plus all the media are in on the fraud.

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Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: sirazimuth on November 10, 2020, 12:26:37 AM
Dude you couldn't explain Benford's Law  if you tried.
Go post some wackaloon website links or preach some magic sky fairy nonsense.
Then throw in a little ridiculous debunked pseudo science drivel for good measure.
You're good at that.


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: BADecker on November 10, 2020, 12:46:02 AM
^^^ I feel badly, too... when someone shows me how I thwarted myself as badly as you thwarted yourself. But, come on, man. Life goes on. Take it easy. You're liable to bust a gut when you get all upset like that. Lol. :D

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Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: KingScorpio on November 10, 2020, 02:21:12 AM
democrats will become a laughing stock if they will steal trump presidency with their frauded voting scam

Actually your retarded baseless  posts are the laughing stock to anyone who bothers to read them that doesn't already have you on ignore.


corrupt leftists sellout media corporations don't decide on the presidency of a country, its the states courts that do that.

CNN & Co are trying to couping for the power.


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: BADecker on November 10, 2020, 02:40:52 AM
democrats will become a laughing stock if they will steal trump presidency with their frauded voting scam

Actually your retarded baseless  posts are the laughing stock to anyone who bothers to read them that doesn't already have you on ignore.


corrupt leftists sellout media corporations don't decide on the presidency of a country, its the states courts that do that.

CNN & Co are trying to couping for the power.

The thing is, the questionable-ballot-States are basically Democrat States. So, their State judges are essentially Democrats. They might control judging the election. But they better do it right, because the Federal Government is watching them closely, and the State judges can be brought to trial and convicted just like anybody else if they act unjustly.

Generally the SCOTUS doesn't interfere with State courts regarding elections. But in this case it's going to take a shrewd eye to watch these judges. And the State judges, themselves, are going to have to be pressured with threat of imprisonment for making false judgments.

It should be very interesting to see how things go. That's why I say that the final outcome might be SCOTUS adjudicating Trump the winner, and it might take 8 more years of Trump before this can be accomplished justly.

Think of it. Trump for 8 more years.

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Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: Spendulus on November 10, 2020, 10:51:42 PM
....
Generally the SCOTUS doesn't interfere with State courts regarding elections. ...

Well, one thing we can certainly forget in this situation is the "generally."


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: Spendulus on November 13, 2020, 11:00:33 PM
....statewide vote counts for each candidate to see if the data set does indeed follow Benford's Law?
I did. And it does. ...

And in your opinion, that means...

What?


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: sirazimuth on November 14, 2020, 12:31:25 AM
^^^ I feel badly, too... when someone shows me how I thwarted myself as badly as you thwarted yourself. But, come on, man. Life goes on. Take it easy. You're liable to bust a gut when you get all upset like that. Lol. :D

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Well yeah I admit it, I did bust a gut, I lmao at your retarded posts.... as per usual...

....statewide vote counts for each candidate to see if the data set does indeed follow Benford's Law?
I did. And it does. ...

And in your opinion, that means...

What?

The vote count follows Benford's Law.
Why do you need my opinion? You already know it. I'm not here to debate silly voter fraud nonsense.

Even though we obviously differ in ideology, I enjoy reading your non political  posts, they show a lot of intelligence.
Which is why I'm baffled at your refusing to accept reality, I honestly thought you were better than that.
Your guy lost. Republicans know it, Trump even knows it. This is all theater to appease his base, and it's getting ridiculous. Let it go man.


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: Spendulus on November 14, 2020, 02:58:32 AM
^^^ I feel badly, too... when someone shows me how I thwarted myself as badly as you thwarted yourself. But, come on, man. Life goes on. Take it easy. You're liable to bust a gut when you get all upset like that. Lol. :D

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Well yeah I admit it, I did bust a gut, I lmao at your retarded posts.... as per usual...

....statewide vote counts for each candidate to see if the data set does indeed follow Benford's Law?
I did. And it does. ...

And in your opinion, that means...

What?

The vote count follows Benford's Law.
Why do you need my opinion? You already know it. I'm not here to debate silly voter fraud nonsense.
....
Because I was/am curious if you could/di pick the right group, or subgroup, to measure.


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: Hamukione on November 14, 2020, 03:44:13 AM
I personally hoped to see Donald take another 4 years, but if Biden won fair and square, then it is what it is.

But Trump did not do as bad as msm is trying to but it.

Lots of peace deals in the middle east, North Korea finally chatting up South Korea and a bit more.

Looking forward to see if msm is going to be as harsh on Biden, as they were on Trump.
#RussiaGate xD


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: BADecker on November 14, 2020, 10:13:29 AM
^^^ I feel badly, too... when someone shows me how I thwarted myself as badly as you thwarted yourself. But, come on, man. Life goes on. Take it easy. You're liable to bust a gut when you get all upset like that. Lol. :D

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Well yeah I admit it, I did bust a gut, I lmao at your retarded posts.... as per usual...

....statewide vote counts for each candidate to see if the data set does indeed follow Benford's Law?
I did. And it does. ...

And in your opinion, that means...

What?

The vote count follows Benford's Law.
Why do you need my opinion? You already know it. I'm not here to debate silly voter fraud nonsense.

Even though we obviously differ in ideology, I enjoy reading your non political  posts, they show a lot of intelligence.
Which is why I'm baffled at your refusing to accept reality, I honestly thought you were better than that.
Your guy lost. Republicans know it, Trump even knows it. This is all theater to appease his base, and it's getting ridiculous. Let it go man.


Yep! Benford's Law is another great evidence asset for the Republicans, showing that Trump must have won.


Benford’s law proves Biden didn’t win election (https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-11-13-benfords-law-proves-biden-didnt-win-election.html#)



Play-pretend “President-Elect” Joe Biden is in more hot water after it was determined using Benford’s law that there is almost no chance he legitimately won the state of Michigan – or any other key swing state, for that matter.

Though many are unfamiliar with it, Benford’s law is a computational system that has been used time and time again to unearth election fraud. It was used in the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections, for instance, as well as in the 2003 California gubernatorial election. It has also been admitted as evidence in criminal cases at the federal, state and local levels.

When plugging in data straight from the city of Detroit’s election results page, for instance, Benford’s law shows that something very unnatural occurred on the Biden side, while Trump’s side showed a natural distribution of votes.

In laymen’s terms, Biden’s vote totals do not make any logical sense apart from fraud. Using Benford’s law calculations, his final numbers in Michigan do not match at a 99.999% significance level, meaning they are obviously and almost undeniably fraudulent.


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Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: Spendulus on November 15, 2020, 02:11:26 PM
Looking forward to see if msm is going to be as harsh on Biden, as they were on Trump.
#RussiaGate xD

No you're not. You know the answer.


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: Zanab247 on November 17, 2020, 06:51:24 PM
The November US presidential election just concluded by giving out the results of the election which make Joe Biden who pulled 306, to defeat his incumbent Donald Trump who pulled 250 that make him to lose the election to Joe Biden, who citizens really voted massively to make sure Biden fulfill his campaign promises.
The battle is not yet over with Donald Trump which many secret behind the election rigging that make the electoral college not to count some vote that belong to Donald Trump. I think it will hard for the election to favour Trump because many citizens don't want him back to be their president 2021. Joe Biden is the choice of US citizen that is the reason why they surprise Biden with massive vote.


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: BADecker on November 17, 2020, 07:06:07 PM
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TRUMP WON WITH 407 ELECTORAL VOTES!!!
Louie Gohmert reports on Scytl server raid in Germany tied to Dominion Voting Systems

https://twitter.com/dochartdc/status/1328507075044012032?s=21&fbclid=IwAR3Wndn_a-esyvqbImejvIhZZ0WlqXkRgrq4CcIe5Mw_l1d9JNEZWa1SZFE

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Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: Spendulus on November 20, 2020, 01:17:23 AM
The November US presidential election just concluded....

Not quite yet, the best is yet to come...


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: mu_enrico on November 20, 2020, 06:26:37 AM
2012:
Obama: 65,915,795
Romney: 60,933,504
Total: 126,849,299

2016:
Trump: 62,984,828
Hillary: 65,853,514
Total: 128,838,342

2020:
Trump: 73,698,667
Biden: 79,683,304
Total: 153,381,971

*data from Wikipedia

Try to look at the total number of votes as it has abnormal growth in 2016 -> 2020. Based on this reason alone, if Trump's score is legitimate, he won by a landslide.


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: TwitchySeal on November 20, 2020, 12:33:46 PM
2012:
Obama: 65,915,795
Romney: 60,933,504
Total: 126,849,299

2016:
Trump: 62,984,828
Hillary: 65,853,514
Total: 128,838,342

2020:
Trump: 73,698,667
Biden: 79,683,304
Total: 153,381,971

*data from Wikipedia

Try to look at the total number of votes as it has abnormal growth in 2016 -> 2020. Based on this reason alone, if Trump's score is legitimate, he won by a landslide.

It's true. If we subtract 14 million votes from Biden, and subtract zero votes for Trump, Trump won in a landslide.  lol.


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: Spendulus on November 20, 2020, 08:17:42 PM
2012:
Obama: 65,915,795
Romney: 60,933,504
Total: 126,849,299

2016:
Trump: 62,984,828
Hillary: 65,853,514
Total: 128,838,342

2020:
Trump: 73,698,667
Biden: 79,683,304
Total: 153,381,971

*data from Wikipedia

Try to look at the total number of votes as it has abnormal growth in 2016 -> 2020. Based on this reason alone, if Trump's score is legitimate, he won by a landslide.

It's true. If we subtract 14 million votes from Biden, and subtract zero votes for Trump, Trump won in a landslide.  lol.
Wait...you mean the Biden voters were supposed to only vote once?




https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/20/dominion-voting-systems-lawyers-up-abruptly-backs-out-of-pa-state-house-fact-finding-hearing/

Dominion Voting Systems ‘Lawyers Up,’ Abruptly Backs Out of PA State House Fact-Finding Hearing

By Debra Heine

November 20, 2020
Dominion Voting Systems Thursday night abruptly backed out of attending a fact-finding hearing that was set for Friday morning with the Pennsylvania House State Government Committee.

At a press conference Friday morning, State Govt Committee Chair Seth Grove said the 1.3. million Pennsylvanians who used Dominion’s voting machines have been “hung out to dry and slapped in their faces.”

Pennsylvania lawmakers had scheduled the hearing with the voting machine manufacturer “to help identify and correct any irregularities in the election process,” according to the House Republican Caucus.



Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: TwitchySeal on November 21, 2020, 12:57:28 AM
2012:
Obama: 65,915,795
Romney: 60,933,504
Total: 126,849,299

2016:
Trump: 62,984,828
Hillary: 65,853,514
Total: 128,838,342

2020:
Trump: 73,698,667
Biden: 79,683,304
Total: 153,381,971

*data from Wikipedia

Try to look at the total number of votes as it has abnormal growth in 2016 -> 2020. Based on this reason alone, if Trump's score is legitimate, he won by a landslide.

It's true. If we subtract 14 million votes from Biden, and subtract zero votes for Trump, Trump won in a landslide.  lol.
Wait...you mean the Biden voters were supposed to only vote once?




https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/20/dominion-voting-systems-lawyers-up-abruptly-backs-out-of-pa-state-house-fact-finding-hearing/

Dominion Voting Systems ‘Lawyers Up,’ Abruptly Backs Out of PA State House Fact-Finding Hearing

By Debra Heine

November 20, 2020
Dominion Voting Systems Thursday night abruptly backed out of attending a fact-finding hearing that was set for Friday morning with the Pennsylvania House State Government Committee.

At a press conference Friday morning, State Govt Committee Chair Seth Grove said the 1.3. million Pennsylvanians who used Dominion’s voting machines have been “hung out to dry and slapped in their faces.”

Pennsylvania lawmakers had scheduled the hearing with the voting machine manufacturer “to help identify and correct any irregularities in the election process,” according to the House Republican Caucus.




If suddenly I was at the center of a qanon level crazy conspiracy and millions of delusional Trump followers were convinced I was helping Hugo Chavez make America Communist by changing millions of votes...I wouldn't be making any public appearances for a while either.  No matter what I said or did or proved, if it's critical of Trump - it's bias fake news, witch hunt, etc.  If it's critical of Trumps enemies, it's 100% true and oh so obvious.


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: Spendulus on November 21, 2020, 02:55:22 AM
...

If suddenly I was at the center of a qanon level crazy conspiracy and millions of delusional Trump followers were convinced I was helping Hugo Chavez make America Communist by changing millions of votes...I wouldn't be making any public appearances for a while either.  No matter what I said or did or proved, if it's critical of Trump - it's bias fake news, witch hunt, etc.  If it's critical of Trumps enemies, it's 100% true and oh so obvious.

Odd how it's the same people that were pushing the Russian Collusion Conspiracy theory on Election Interference for several years are now ...

Wait, that' you!


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: BADecker on December 15, 2020, 10:25:37 PM
Judge Orders Release Of Dominion Voting Machine Report Saying Machines INTENTIONALLY FLIPPING VOTES (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/296219-2020-12-15-judge-orders-release-of-dominion-voting-machine-report-saying-machines.htm)


Judge Orders Release Of Dominion Voting Machine Report Saying Machines INTENTIONALLY FLIPPING VOTES
https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/687-1215075641-Judge-Orders-Release-Of-Dominion-Voting-Machine-Report-Saying-Machines-INTENTIONALLY-FLIPPING-VOTES.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqyfCRkayRs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqyfCRkayRs)


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Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: squatz1 on December 16, 2020, 12:01:18 AM
...

If suddenly I was at the center of a qanon level crazy conspiracy and millions of delusional Trump followers were convinced I was helping Hugo Chavez make America Communist by changing millions of votes...I wouldn't be making any public appearances for a while either.  No matter what I said or did or proved, if it's critical of Trump - it's bias fake news, witch hunt, etc.  If it's critical of Trumps enemies, it's 100% true and oh so obvious.

Odd how it's the same people that were pushing the Russian Collusion Conspiracy theory on Election Interference for several years are now ...

Wait, that' you!

But there was merit to the Russian stuff. The info relating to Russia buying ads and sowing disinformation online to get people to be divided is something that did happen, and there is evidence to support it. Multiple people charged.

Did Donald Trump collude? No. There's no evidence to support that. But did the Russians sow disinformation and try to divide Americans from one another? Yes. That was the goal and that is what happened.

What's the goal here Spendulus?


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: Gyfts on December 16, 2020, 06:32:09 AM
Trump tweeted that 92% of Republicans think the election was rigged...

Depending on the definition of "rigged", he might be right. If you include media bias/interference a part of the word rigged, the number sounds believable.

I think a better polling question would be something related to the amount of voter fraud. Something like - "Do you believe there was enough voter fraud present to overturn the election results". The percentage would probably drop considerably.

 


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: squatz1 on December 17, 2020, 04:44:44 AM
Trump tweeted that 92% of Republicans think the election was rigged...

Depending on the definition of "rigged", he might be right. If you include media bias/interference a part of the word rigged, the number sounds believable.

I think a better polling question would be something related to the amount of voter fraud. Something like - "Do you believe there was enough voter fraud present to overturn the election results". The percentage would probably drop considerably.

 


Lot of Republicans doubt the fairness of the election, this poll is saying somewhere in the realm of 60-70% of them, though these same Republicans who were polled do still think (a majority of them at least) that Joe Biden won the Presidency.

Ton of Republicans think that vote counts / mail in ballots caused fraud too, this poll is saying above 80% of them think that.

So yes, Republicans think the election was rigged. Doesn't change if it was or not. I like your question though, that's a good one.


https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/12/11/who-won-the-2020-presidential-election-joe-biden-or-donald-trump-depends-whom-you-ask/


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: Gyfts on December 17, 2020, 05:07:53 AM
Trump tweeted that 92% of Republicans think the election was rigged...

Depending on the definition of "rigged", he might be right. If you include media bias/interference a part of the word rigged, the number sounds believable.

I think a better polling question would be something related to the amount of voter fraud. Something like - "Do you believe there was enough voter fraud present to overturn the election results". The percentage would probably drop considerably.

 


Lot of Republicans doubt the fairness of the election, this poll is saying somewhere in the realm of 60-70% of them, though these same Republicans who were polled do still think (a majority of them at least) that Joe Biden won the Presidency.

Ton of Republicans think that vote counts / mail in ballots caused fraud too, this poll is saying above 80% of them think that.

So yes, Republicans think the election was rigged. Doesn't change if it was or not. I like your question though, that's a good one.


https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/12/11/who-won-the-2020-presidential-election-joe-biden-or-donald-trump-depends-whom-you-ask/

Interesting source. It mentions that a survey found over 50 percent of Republicans believe that Trump actually won.

I'm not sure if there's a twist to this. You can't misinterpret "winning" an election, there's no ambiguity. Hope there's not that many delusional Republicans.


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: squatz1 on December 17, 2020, 05:35:48 AM
Trump tweeted that 92% of Republicans think the election was rigged...

Depending on the definition of "rigged", he might be right. If you include media bias/interference a part of the word rigged, the number sounds believable.

I think a better polling question would be something related to the amount of voter fraud. Something like - "Do you believe there was enough voter fraud present to overturn the election results". The percentage would probably drop considerably.

 


Lot of Republicans doubt the fairness of the election, this poll is saying somewhere in the realm of 60-70% of them, though these same Republicans who were polled do still think (a majority of them at least) that Joe Biden won the Presidency.

Ton of Republicans think that vote counts / mail in ballots caused fraud too, this poll is saying above 80% of them think that.

So yes, Republicans think the election was rigged. Doesn't change if it was or not. I like your question though, that's a good one.


https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/12/11/who-won-the-2020-presidential-election-joe-biden-or-donald-trump-depends-whom-you-ask/

Interesting source. It mentions that a survey found over 50 percent of Republicans believe that Trump actually won.

I'm not sure if there's a twist to this. You can't misinterpret "winning" an election, there's no ambiguity. Hope there's not that many delusional Republicans.

Here are some more polling outlets talking about all of this

Politico - https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/republicans-free-fair-elections-435488 - 70% of Republicans think the election wasn't free/fair, 78% beleive there was fraud from the mail in ballots,.

NY Times has an interesting spin on things, as partisanship cause people to think that there's no way their candidate could lose without fraud. They go the angle of seeing how many Republicans actually believe these claims - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/30/upshot/republican-voters-election-doubts.html

I like the NY Times way of this, as many said the same thing in 2016 in regards to actual fraud when it comes to ballots (which the Russians never did), and probably in 2012 and 2008 as well.


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: Natsuu on December 17, 2020, 06:16:06 AM
~SNIP~

Here are some more polling outlets talking about all of this

Politico - https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/republicans-free-fair-elections-435488 - 70% of Republicans think the election wasn't free/fair, 78% beleive there was fraud from the mail in ballots,.

NY Times has an interesting spin on things, as partisanship cause people to think that there's no way their candidate could lose without fraud. They go the angle of seeing how many Republicans actually believe these claims - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/30/upshot/republican-voters-election-doubts.html

I like the NY Times way of this, as many said the same thing in 2016 in regards to actual fraud when it comes to ballots (which the Russians never did), and probably in 2012 and 2008 as well.

nice take, but those partisans especially the rights there say, don't like news like this that gives sounded opinions regarding the issue. Someone even accused NY Times like you mentioned to be racist in every post they made, but the link you provide, doesn't even have the slight hint of racism in it.

the Idea of idolizing someone from political parties never really suits me well. Political leaders must be supported but never be idolized, he is the one who leads and represent the country, so especially in a democratic country, the leader must act accordingly.


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: mu_enrico on December 17, 2020, 06:33:13 AM
I still don't buy how Biden could score 80 million votes and managed to flip states in a very narrow margin. However, I don't live in the US to feel if the hate for Trump is so overwhelming to make this phenomenon happen.

Meanwhile, the Indonesian regional elections were successfully held despite Covid*.

*Lot's of officials got infected lol, that's the price for a democracy 8)


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: TwitchySeal on December 17, 2020, 07:12:36 AM
I still don't buy how Biden could score 80 million votes and managed to flip states in a very narrow margin. However, I don't live in the US to feel if the hate for Trump is so overwhelming to make this phenomenon happen.

Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 by millions also, and most of the states Biden flipped were flipped by Trump in 2016 by narrow margins.  But yeah, the hate for Trump is overwhelming.  If you don't agree with him he doesn't give a shit about you and he makes that clear.


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: squatz1 on December 22, 2020, 06:38:02 PM
I still don't buy how Biden could score 80 million votes and managed to flip states in a very narrow margin. However, I don't live in the US to feel if the hate for Trump is so overwhelming to make this phenomenon happen.

Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 by millions also, and most of the states Biden flipped were flipped by Trump in 2016 by narrow margins.  But yeah, the hate for Trump is overwhelming.  If you don't agree with him he doesn't give a shit about you and he makes that clear.

Just as a fair point here, there are a TON OF PEOPLE in the US -- around 40% of Americans, who have a cult like love for Donald Trump. Not to take away from the cult like hate of Donald Trump, but I just thought that was an interesting point.

Obviously all of those 40% are Republicans, but still just an interesting point to bring to the table.

But yes, all of the states that Joe Biden 'crazily flipped' were states that were solid blue for some time and only Trump had been able to flip them in 2016 with a promise to bring manufacturing back to these hard hit states. (Ex: Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, etc)


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: BADecker on December 28, 2020, 04:24:40 AM
Watch the video at the site. It's probably not on Youtube. If it were, it might have been deleted by now, and nobody would see it.

Exclusive: Gen. Michael Flynn—Will the American Republic Survive? Epoch Times
Socialist and communist ideology has crept into American culture and education. At the same time, America is threatened by foreign adversaries, with China’s Communist Party being the greatest opponent of all. In this exclusive interview with Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, we sit down to discuss this watershed moment in America’s history, and what he believes the future holds. Will this great American experiment into republican governance survive or will it fail? This is American Thought Leaders [USA], and I’m Jan Jekielek.


8)


EDIT: Okay, okay. It's on Youtube.


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: FEELEPIC on December 28, 2020, 12:17:36 PM
https://wpcdn.zenger.news/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/24190822/2020-12-23-Sidney-Powell-Team-Binder-ZENGER-NEWS.pdf

Trump is going to capture all of the people such as politicians and celebrities and banking industries because they gonna get screwed for pedo stuff. Just wait. It's coming.

It's time to wake up to the reality that we perceive.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b67dbea25bf02623f27bbec/t/5c3eb767032be46f5acb7297/1547614136130/GreatAwakeningMap_11x14_V10_Lotus_Hi-Res.jpg


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: TwitchySeal on December 30, 2020, 07:47:08 AM
https://wpcdn.zenger.news/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/24190822/2020-12-23-Sidney-Powell-Team-Binder-ZENGER-NEWS.pdf

Trump is going to capture all of the people such as politicians and celebrities and banking industries because they gonna get screwed for pedo stuff. Just wait. It's coming.

It's time to wake up to the reality that we perceive.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b67dbea25bf02623f27bbec/t/5c3eb767032be46f5acb7297/1547614136130/GreatAwakeningMap_11x14_V10_Lotus_Hi-Res.jpg

That's a really cool poster.  It's massive, here's a tiny part of it:

https://i.gyazo.com/0589023d6145aacb14b0ba0ffe9b9dc0.png


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: squatz1 on December 31, 2020, 07:00:32 PM
https://wpcdn.zenger.news/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/24190822/2020-12-23-Sidney-Powell-Team-Binder-ZENGER-NEWS.pdf

Trump is going to capture all of the people such as politicians and celebrities and banking industries because they gonna get screwed for pedo stuff. Just wait. It's coming.

It's time to wake up to the reality that we perceive.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b67dbea25bf02623f27bbec/t/5c3eb767032be46f5acb7297/1547614136130/GreatAwakeningMap_11x14_V10_Lotus_Hi-Res.jpg

That's a really cool poster.  It's massive, here's a tiny part of it:

https://i.gyazo.com/0589023d6145aacb14b0ba0ffe9b9dc0.png

LOL

CHEMTRAILS? NAZIS? ESCAPE? HITLER?

What the fuck are these people smoking because I would really love to smoke some of it. Seems to really bring you into a beautiful fantasy world that can help you believe anything and everything that your brain wants you to. Logic doesn’t matter.


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: FEELEPIC on December 31, 2020, 10:59:55 PM
https://wpcdn.zenger.news/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/24190822/2020-12-23-Sidney-Powell-Team-Binder-ZENGER-NEWS.pdf

Trump is going to capture all of the people such as politicians and celebrities and banking industries because they gonna get screwed for pedo stuff. Just wait. It's coming.

It's time to wake up to the reality that we perceive.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b67dbea25bf02623f27bbec/t/5c3eb767032be46f5acb7297/1547614136130/GreatAwakeningMap_11x14_V10_Lotus_Hi-Res.jpg

That's a really cool poster.  It's massive, here's a tiny part of it:

https://i.gyazo.com/0589023d6145aacb14b0ba0ffe9b9dc0.png

LOL

CHEMTRAILS? NAZIS? ESCAPE? HITLER?

What the fuck are these people smoking because I would really love to smoke some of it. Seems to really bring you into a beautiful fantasy world that can help you believe anything and everything that your brain wants you to. Logic doesn’t matter.

Take everything with a grain of salt. Chem trails are real though

http://www.geoengineering.ox.ac.uk/www.geoengineering.ox.ac.uk/what-is-geoengineering/what-is-geoengineering/

Stratospheric aerosols. Introducing small, reflective particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect some sunlight before it reaches the surface of the Earth.



Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: BADecker on January 01, 2021, 12:45:33 AM
^^^ I ran out of salt long ago. So I don't accept anything any more.

8)


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: TwitchySeal on January 01, 2021, 12:45:48 AM
https://wpcdn.zenger.news/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/24190822/2020-12-23-Sidney-Powell-Team-Binder-ZENGER-NEWS.pdf

Trump is going to capture all of the people such as politicians and celebrities and banking industries because they gonna get screwed for pedo stuff. Just wait. It's coming.

It's time to wake up to the reality that we perceive.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b67dbea25bf02623f27bbec/t/5c3eb767032be46f5acb7297/1547614136130/GreatAwakeningMap_11x14_V10_Lotus_Hi-Res.jpg

That's a really cool poster.  It's massive, here's a tiny part of it:

https://i.gyazo.com/0589023d6145aacb14b0ba0ffe9b9dc0.png

LOL

CHEMTRAILS? NAZIS? ESCAPE? HITLER?

What the fuck are these people smoking because I would really love to smoke some of it. Seems to really bring you into a beautiful fantasy world that can help you believe anything and everything that your brain wants you to. Logic doesn’t matter.

Take everything with a grain of salt. Chem trails are real though

http://www.geoengineering.ox.ac.uk/www.geoengineering.ox.ac.uk/what-is-geoengineering/what-is-geoengineering/

Stratospheric aerosols. Introducing small, reflective particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect some sunlight before it reaches the surface of the Earth.



What's up with using a mirror of the actual oxford site?  I'm just curious, is there a reason you don't want to link this: https://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/geoengineering/ ?

Don't see anything about chemtrails from Oxford, Harvard does though https://keith.seas.harvard.edu/chemtrails-conspiracy-theory

The Author leads the solar geoengineering program and is Professor of Applied Physics at Harvard’s School of Engineering and Applied Sciences and Professor of Public Policy at the Harvard Kennedy School.


Title: Re: [Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda
Post by: FEELEPIC on January 01, 2021, 01:06:41 AM
https://wpcdn.zenger.news/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/24190822/2020-12-23-Sidney-Powell-Team-Binder-ZENGER-NEWS.pdf

Trump is going to capture all of the people such as politicians and celebrities and banking industries because they gonna get screwed for pedo stuff. Just wait. It's coming.

It's time to wake up to the reality that we perceive.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b67dbea25bf02623f27bbec/t/5c3eb767032be46f5acb7297/1547614136130/GreatAwakeningMap_11x14_V10_Lotus_Hi-Res.jpg

That's a really cool poster.  It's massive, here's a tiny part of it:

https://i.gyazo.com/0589023d6145aacb14b0ba0ffe9b9dc0.png

LOL

CHEMTRAILS? NAZIS? ESCAPE? HITLER?

What the fuck are these people smoking because I would really love to smoke some of it. Seems to really bring you into a beautiful fantasy world that can help you believe anything and everything that your brain wants you to. Logic doesn’t matter.

Take everything with a grain of salt. Chem trails are real though

http://www.geoengineering.ox.ac.uk/www.geoengineering.ox.ac.uk/what-is-geoengineering/what-is-geoengineering/

Stratospheric aerosols. Introducing small, reflective particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect some sunlight before it reaches the surface of the Earth.



What's up with using a mirror of the actual oxford site?  I'm just curious, is there a reason you don't want to link this: https://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/geoengineering/ ?

Don't see anything about chemtrails from Oxford, Harvard does though https://keith.seas.harvard.edu/chemtrails-conspiracy-theory

The Author leads the solar geoengineering program and is Professor of Applied Physics at Harvard’s School of Engineering and Applied Sciences and Professor of Public Policy at the Harvard Kennedy School.

Not sure but i pulled that from google.