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I placed a bet with sportsbet.io on Biden to win the election. They have paid me out my winnings.

A few people I know made the same bet with Nitrogen Sports & another guy with betBTC & they’re all worried that I’ve been paid out but Nitrogen & betBTC are stalling.

Is anybody else experiencing the above issue? Clearly Biden is the new POTUS yet Nitrogen & betBTC are stalling.

Every single news outlet is reporting that Biden is the winner and I’ve seen his speech.  
My guess is that any sportsbook refusing to pay out on Biden is desperately hoping for some nonsense court case which has a close to zero chance of happening.

If anyone wants to contribute about being paid/not being paid, I encouarage you to post in this thread. It’d be really good to make the community aware of any difficulties anybody is having with certain sportsbooks.

It’s good to know in advance of the next elections which bookies pay up fast and which don’t.

Thanks guys.

If you were put the bet biden on stake.com, you are also going to be paid in less than 24 hours


Just need to wait for any official announcement from both Nitrogen & betBTC

Update from betBTC

Well for nitrogen according to their Politics grading rules as follows:
"President elect will be graded once the recounts are final and results reported by the corresponding states."

So they probably don't want to pay out Biden as win and be forced to also payout Trump if recounts actually do go in his favor. As you can see with Stake they paid out Biden but they are also forced to pay out Trump as well if he eventually does win.

Now for BetBTC they follow Pinnacle rules
"All bets will be determined using the official result as declared by the local Electoral Commission or a similar official body.
For all elections, bets will be graded upon an official result as described above."

So most likely when the electoral college convenes it will be graded, all for the same reason as stated above they don't want to payout both sides if Trump does end up winning.

I mean if you bet on something iffy like this and don't thoroughly look through any rules stated that would prevent instantaneous grading that's on you.
But sites like Stake and sportsbet.com they are taking on a risk to pay out Biden early just for their customers satisfaction.
I have played on Nitrogen as well and I can tell you doubt they care about that :p

This is really matter of shame for Niterogen they was leading in bitcoin sports betting and casino industry but now too many complaints and now this issue is really bad for their reputation I also know many members those place bets on different sites and mostly already graded but nitrogen is still waiting for official announcement which is rediculus.

https://i.imgur.com/ryNLM99.jpg

News are not deciding who wins elections, and this is not the first time something like this happens.
Better turn off TV and mainstream media, because they did wrong predictions many times, and even announced Gore as president one time, and they also miserably predicted all polls before elections.
FTX is still allowing users to decide and keep their bet on presidential elections.

They probably are waiting for this petition to be signed and presented to the supreme court so the votes will be counted again. https://www.change.org/p/the-supreme-court-of-the-united-states-recount-or-revote-the-entire-2020-presidential-election

Who knows they will get a different president and your winning bets would be void then?  ;D I will really not be surprised if any of those sportsbooks use this as an actual excuse.

I don't bet on presidency since I doubt about the current situation among them but maybe there are things has been consider as trump is filing a protest against Biden so maybe the sportsbook you bet are holding the bets for short time while they are scaling up those things. But provably in next following days those who bet for biden and win will get their winnings.

One of the lessons that can be learnt into this event where you can spot out which bookies is really reliable. I dont have any experience about pendings or stalls yet ive been betting too in sportsbet

and never tend to touch into other sportsbook like nitro and others.The thing on my mind about stalling off is that they do indeed wait up for that courtcase which is BS.

Its almost everywhere that Biden is clearly the elected president and maybe these delays just have some corresponding reason.

I don't think there is any huge issue with holding off to resolve this. There is a huge amount of money at stake for these books and the result is still not 100% confirmed with some sources putting Biden at 259 votes (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/live_results/2020/president/) . Regardless of your political views, with Trump refusing to step down there is no 100% clear winner like we've seen in previous elections.

Bookie settlement options from best to worst:
1. Biden early payout
2. Wait until 100% confirmation
3. Biden settled as winner, trump as loser

Given that #1 is a huge risk to the book, millions for us at Stake and #3 is shafting all the trump bettors. The most straight forward option for sportsbooks IMO is #2 to wait for more clarity which will hopefully be provided once all the votes are counted, when the electoral college votes, and if trump's lawsuits are struck down. We did the #1 option but only because we wanted to set the example and could afford the risk.

People who put money on Biden but have not been paid out yet should be patient with their book. If they are reputable they are not trying to stall your payout and hold your money. Sportsbooks would prefer you to have your money quicker so you can lose it on another bet, they are taking the conservative route and probably ripping their hair out as we were the past week.

Yes, I think Stake has the best policy, paying out Biden now, and waiting for other happenings to pay out on Trump if he so wins any of the lawsuits etc. with recounts going on and final result only out in December.

I also took the small Trump bet on Sportsbet. But I have no issues with the rules, for me Biden won as well and even if somehow they overturn it and Trump wins it back I will not claim anything. It is like football for me. If results are suddenly overturned from matchfixing etc, I am not expecting money back:)

Orbit  (https://orbitexch.com/customer/sport/market/1.128151441)(and thus Betfair Exchange, except Orbit isn't region blocked) currently has Biden at 1.10 and Trump at 10.5 to be the next president. PredictIt  (https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/3698)is also showing similar numbers. Prediction markets are generally considered sharp. (https://www.nature.com/news/the-power-of-prediction-markets-1.20820)

https://i.imgur.com/0oGooLS.png

It's great to see sites like Sportsbet.io and Stake payout early (essentially as a promotion, since there's a non zero chance that Biden doesn't end up being president), but I personally wouldn't fault other sportsbooks for not paying out. It might seem like a clear victory for Biden if you look at mainstream media, but there's clearly a number of factors that somehow give Trump a 10% chance of winning.

Besides lawsuits/recounts/direct election effects, there's also the possibility that Biden wins, but dies and Kamala Harris becomes president (0.2% according to Betfair Exchange).

Lmao this made my day.
I want to seriously bet on this 0.2% chance and really want to see if my fortune is with me.

But tbh Bookies are not should be considered as liable here, as there are tons of amounts of money are lying upon them.
So as far as we cannot see a clear result, it would be better thay the sports bookie should hold the funds.
And Kudos to Sportsbet.io and Stake for being so humble and releasing the payment so early.

Its so amazing that people bet on things they have absolutely no clue about.
All the books that pay out Biden as winner are doing the bettors a favor and might paying out double if Trump does win...

The Media does not elect Presidents, amazing that people claim these are sources that a bet should be paid out.

Read and educate yourself on how the Election gets decided and how a president gets elected...
Spoiler: NOT THE MEDIA

There has been a lot of controversy in this election and as weird as it sounds, its still up in the air, the electoral college has not announced a winner...

If a book isnt paying its not because they are a scam or "holding out" as you put this... they are waiting for the REAL result.

As frustrating as it may be to everyone holding a bet slip, this is the right answer. There's a while to go before the official process is done. Sites that have already paid out did their users a favor.
And it's not like it would be a world's first if things went sideways during an election  :P

I made a bet on Bitsler that the Republicans will emerge as the winning party for the US Presidential election. My bet is still active there and I'm assuming it's the same case with other bets (Biden/Trump). They are most likely waiting for the official declaration (not media declared) also just like other bookies who haven't paid yet.

edit: Yup, I just got confirmation that Bitsler is also waiting for the Official declaration.

I placed a bet on this event and the bookie choose to stall until final result, I chose Trump as the winner in the election. Even though I choose Biden it doesn't matter if the bookies chooses to wait for the official result announcement because it should be, for big bettors this condition unpleasent because the money stuck which should  can be used for other bets.

In 2000, it took five weeks to know the outcome of the presidential race that saw the infamous Gore v. Bush fight. Over that timeframe, there were recounts and court rulings. The story ended on December 12 when the Supreme Court decision effectively decided the presidential election.
Of course, we don't know the end of the story but I guess sportsbooks should have better prepared for a contested election scenario.

I think so too I placed a bet also and I choose Biden winning and up till now my winning have not been paid out and when I make further query I was told to hold on for a while, may be it due to the rifts in the entire US election and it outcome may be no casino want to be at lose by paying double pay out as you rightly said.

I think it's still not yet finished I think there will have some delays from other bookies for what I've know that Trump is not yet accepting that he lose and so he is doing some investigation in regards with the votes. It's surprising that the sportsbet manage to give their payout immediately, what would happen if there would have a problem in the future.

ya.ya.yo!

I would have done the very same thing. As some other members stated above, imagine that they pay rewards for Biden, and eventually the court declares fraud and is Trump who wins.

Recovering the funds from the ones who were paid for Biden would be an impossible task, while they'd have the obligation to pay the ones who betted for Trump too.

I understand that bettors want to get paid asap, but this situation is something that I have been foreseeing since a few weeks, and it is not any fraud from the sportbooks, it is just logical caution to me. Stakeholders may be angry, but shouldn't blame on sportbooks even if some have already paid (personally, I wouldn't, as stated at the beginning of the post).

They had a promotion for the first 500 bets for Trump to win and at 1mbtc a pop, they still made some good money from the players.
I don't think they'd have any issue either way this ends. ;)

I had several bets on different markets and on separate books:
Sportsbet was the first one to decide to pay out first above all the other ones. Then it was Stake along with a bonus sent, they were the most gracious about it acually. BetBTC are still waiting on their odds provider (Pinnacle) to tally what decision will be on Dec 12 and maybe even upto Jan 20 next year when we will see after all the in house fighting and clawing by the independent media outlets is through, who will be the president.

I liked watching this user made video telling us what the outcome could be if these different scenarios did play out as Darkstar_'s post did state one of them with Biden possibly dying. And after everything that has happened with all the discrepancies in this election coming out after the vote counting at 99-100% by all states in question are tallied up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBZ-KiYoU68
https://i.ibb.co/QfPpn3s/Biden-Fraud.jpg (https://ibb.co/R93YPkL)
Now the tough calls are to be made by the supreme court and I don't think the judge Trump put in there can make any decisions on his case.
He did announce to all his supporters they would be invited to a rally on November 14 in D.C called the Million MAGA march.
So there is this for the Republicans to look forward too. ;)

Thank you for sharing these sites,,, very very tempting to put bets on Biden now at 1.1 or even 1.05 seeing as that even by all the accounts of different media he has already won and will still win even with the proper recounts. "Easy" 10 percent winnings if you want to see it like that.

I do think the odds are good value but yes, I also would not blame any bookie for their decisions, whatever they did. This was always going to be a tough one to call.

One big point also is mainstream media is mainly democratic,,, so we cannot hardly see the alternative Republican news easily. Fair point to bring up.

For me, it was an easy win, so I bet on Biden. Since it was on Sportsbet.io, it was paid out before. Biden definitely won the election, but given the lawsuits from Trump, I think it's reasonable if some sports books are waiting to see the final decision. After all, Trump is not giving up, and the situation is unlike anything before. I mean, 23 hours ago he tweeted "WE WILL WIN!", and resources are still in his hands. However, I believe the bets will be paid out sooner or later anyway. But given the electoral college system of the US, some websites might win till the electors cast their votes and these votes are counted.

Welldone for those who have paid without a doubt it has a huge profit for them from many sides, in a certain way they are not only paying you for having won, they are showing loyalty with the players, trust for third parties and trust in the final result, which is already obvious by 99.99%.

In any case, those who have not done it technically can afford it, because they adhere to that 0.01% that surely appears intrinsic in their ToS, I do not defend any, I just try to be precise and how I see things.

In fact, this means that gamblers always read the rules of the game and that not always a rule of the game established for many years cannot change unexpectedly.

 I don't know man, official or not, it is obvious that Biden won, we are talking about potentially having 306 votes here and that is way too much to get back from by Trump, he can try whatever he wants, he can try to go to courts as much as he wants, Biden already won. So all sportsbooks should pay up, there is already a growing number of them paying right now and they are not going to change that at all, they are already paid up, so the job is done for them, Trump fanatics could try to make a noise but they will calm down when Biden is literally running the country. I would say just forget about what others are saying and try to make it a marketing thing and pay up, it would help with customer base more than you can imagine to pay "early" compared to other places.

Biden won based on what exactly?
Please do tell me?
The Media has been screaming BIDEN BIDEN BIDEN?

The Media doesnt announce Presidents...  ;)

Not quite sure what are they waiting before they reward their participants maybe they just wanted to make sure that the decision is really final and they just wanted to make sure first since I think they cannot take back if the money they give if there will be some recount and Trump actually won (Hypothetically).

I understand the ones that pay out, and I still understand the ones that do not pay out as well. This is not an "official" result yet, and that means sportsbooks could technically hold it as much as they can until it is an official decision, there is nothing illegal going on there, in fact holding it until it is official would be the smart thing to do by sportsbooks if they are looking at it from financial stand point.

However we also know that Biden won and nothing will change that, look at the latest results, there is no way Trump finds fraud in 4 states totaling to 200k+ votes, that is not going to happen at all, which means results are in, so from financial stand point sportsbooks could wait but from marketing stand point the ones that pay out will get more love from gamblers.

The difference is that the Gore-Bush election was decided by a single state and the margin was extremely close. Trump is not going to overturn the results with more states involved and with bigger margins.

The media isn't just making things up out of thin air. They're going by the results being reported by state governments. That's how elections work. Of course the next step is to certify the results and wait for the electoral college to make it official but I don't see why casinos have to wait that long because at that point it's a foregone conclusion what will occur. We already have all the evidence we need to determine that Biden will be the next president.

Says who? The Media?


They have to wait that long because all the others think are literally ASSUMPTIONS. Youre trying to tell us how elections work, yet you call Biden President because the Media told you so?
Its a assumption at best, the official results arent in.

Its like a Soccer game where the Team is up 3:0 and there is 3 Minutes left to play, yes it looks like the Team leading will win, but is it done? NO.

Yes,,, even I who voted for Trump had my bet lost and well,,, I have to accept this. I would hate it if I won and then Biden took everyone to courts as well and then bookies get the stick for making us all wait on unsettled bets:)

Legally speaking, who is running the government now by the way?

I'm not from the States but according to what it's slowly coming out this has been the most embarrassing US Election in history, even worse than Gore v. Bush 2000. I knew this could have been a contested election and I decided consciously not to bet on this event.
Not the Media but the people should elect the President. Even if Biden won correctly, Media attitude towards Donald Trump, being the US President, was and still is disgusting.

Because its the cool thing to do.
Thrash Trump because thats what the readers want to hear, its the cool new thing.

I bet we wont read anything negative about Biden... EVER..
The Media has crawled so far up Dems *** its disgusting.

No media clearly announced the win of Biden. This is completely unfair way of governance. Let them be like this, but the gambling site owners should've known what is happening with the election. Maybe majority could've placed bet over Biden. This could've caused them big loss, which might be the reason to delay the settlement on the winning bets. Both the sites mentioned were highly reputed ones, and these sites doing this kind of act is very bad.

I wouldn't call this stalling to be honest. They are not yet paying out because the elections are not yet 100% decided. If a football team is 4:0 up and it is the 85th min, the match is still not over. There are 5 more minutes to play + injury time. Trump and his entourage claim to have evidence ::) of fraud and are threatening to sue. All this affects the payouts. I would only be worried if Biden wins and users don't get paid. Everything else shouldn't be an issue. The fact that Sportsbet.io paid out already shouldn't be seen as the standard, but a plus for them personally and their users. 

I guess other sportsbook are still fair since they follow the rules, especially the Betbtc.
What if Trump will win in the election? that would create a lot of trouble and scam accusations will be thrown from here and there.

Once we bet, the rules are clear so we just have to follow the rules, we only complain the site itself is violating their own rules.

They are just trying to play safe which is understandable as small amount could ruin their reputation.

Creating such bet between Trump and Biden made it even a more tougher game in real life because many eyes were focused on the election. Maybe we still going to have a bet stake on the actual declaration if that has not come from source as I read trump trying to go to court.

Yeah, I don't understand why there are talks about election fraud just because Biden won. I mean had Trump won everyone would have been quite and nice which is a really poor sign from their media. I hope Biden will be a better president rather than being a big mouth like Trump.

As far as bet settlement are concerned I actually knew the election results will be delayed because there were news that results will be slow so I never made too big of bets to get anxious for settlement.

Trump bettors are just quietly waiting for him to prove the election fraud which is menacing because elections are over and results are public now there is no reason to delay the settlement for betting sites. I do not understand just because a sore loser makes baseless claims that is Trump, why is everyone trusting him.

The states have counted the votes and have announced their conclusions. Even Republican secretaries of state and attorney generals are saying there is no evidence of voter fraud.


The official results are just a formality. The conspiracy theories have been mostly debunked and several of Trump's lawsuits have already been thrown out. Hillary had a better chance of overturning the previous election but the casinos still paid out a few days after election day because it would have been unreasonable to wait for unfounded allegations to pan out.

when i saw your post i didn't want to believe it and i went to betfair to check  ;D

Now Biden odd's is 1.09 ut for me is really high,that would be a very easy 10% profit, I can't think about how it can lose, it would be a huge scandal even for the united states

Do not try to explain to why 2000 and today is different to a Trump fan, they will first try to take you down to their level and they will beat you with their experience at low levels. Nobody in the right mindset could ever argue a logical path that could see Trump win, if you asked even the most veteran political science professor if they could find any logical way Trump could win, they couldn't tell you any.

There is no recount that closes that much difference and there is not enough voter fraud and certainly there is zero election fraud. However let the sportsbooks be, they can pay up now or they can pay up by January/February, as long as you wagered on Biden and you know you won, you could totally just move on with your life and get paid later on when the time comes.

i'm pretty sure it's just staunch trump supporters with their heads in the sand who keep betting his odds up. there's no way trump's true chances are close to 10%. the odds of having the results overturned in multiple states (whether by recount or supreme court decision) based on past elections is way under 1%. it's completely unprecedented and there's been no evidence of foul play---just baseless rumors from the usual suspects.

i'm surprised some sites paid out as early as they did. as unlikely as i personally view a trump victory, they would be in a very, very deep hole if they paid out biden bets and then the results were overturned. i think it's fair to wait for certified election results in any close election.

I had one on Biden and it was settled too. I also had some small bets on states like Georgia where the counting is going to be done again so those bets are rightly pending on sportsbet.io and I don't care much and don't even check them now as they are small amounts and I made those for fun.

That is so true and now we know where to bet because from what I have seen and heard, stake and sportsbet.io have been really nice and stake even took a step forward and they haven't settled Trump bets as lost yet in case he somehow comes out victorious.

I have some sympathy with other bookies though because the elections are so confusing this time and not every sportsbook can take the loss, which for example stake might have to face in case Trumps comes out as winner at the end.

Some of the comments I'm reading in this thread are truly shocking.

According to various reports, there was more money wagered on this election than the past two Super Bowls combined! Can you imagine if sportsbooks paid out Falcons bettors during Super Bowl LI because they were 99.8% likely to win after going up 28-3 against the Patriots?

The small number of sportsbooks that graded 2020 Election bets early are taking MASSIVE, unnecessary risks by paying out before the results are actually official. I'd hate to be in their shoes if this election miraculously flipped in favor of Trump.

It is not right to annouce the winner at this time. We need to follow the rules so as to point out the right winner. Media and news are not the one to say who will be the next US president. There is nothing need to be worried. They will soon proceed your bet once the official president is selected.

Currently Trump is making many sues and lawsuits against all states which Biden wins. Remember 2000? Gore was claimed to be the next president, but it turned out to be that Bush was actually the winner. Too many drama

Backers for Biden are not worry that their bet would lose, what they are worried now is their winning is taking to long to be claim. We can understand as there are big bets on this politics betting, so if you are in the position, you will certainly get disappointed but like I said, not worried you'll lose.

Although Biden apparently won, Trump has not yet accepted this result.
While 270 electoral votes ensure the victory, Trump is still skeptical of Biden, despite winning 290 electoral votes.
I don't think Trump will ever accept this result in the future. The whole world cannot be paused for Trump's behavior like this.

It deserves praise that sportsbet.io paid out their users as quickly as possible. Other betting sites should also pay their users win quickly, without making panic.

If people dont know what they are betting on, then they probably should not be betting on it!
Media and Websites dont announce presidents. It happens when the electoral College states that Biden has won.
So if the money is tied up until then, oh well, Rules are Rules.

Obviously Trump fans are not known for their common sense, these are the same people who have came up with an idea that there was a pizza place where all the world leaders had a pedo ring at the basement of that pizza joint. When you can convince people to stuff like that, you surely could convince them that there was election fraud.

What did the world expected Trump to do? Just say "Oh Biden won and I congratulate him and on his future presidency, I hope he does what is best for our Nation and I will be here to support him whenever he needs help", that is what John Mccain a great Republican did when he lost, he didn't whined or yelled fire, he congratulated Obama and moved on, that is not who Trump is and that is not who Trump supporters are. Most probably they will yell fraud because they can't accept the fact that they were not wanted and lost.

Oh is that what the Democrats did when Hillary lost? Is that what they did? Even if you dont like Trump you should still show some respect for the president...
Oh no, they started this campaign that Russia was involved and did everything to prevent him from becoming President, is that the Democrats youre taking about?

If you believe there isnt a Pedo Ring, then you probably believe in Santa also...

Books like Sportsbet, Stake etc proved themselves as reliable books by paying out Biden bets on time. Other books are pointlessly wasting time waiting for court results etc.

So many delusional Trump supporters in this thread. Wake up already. The majority don't really care whether Trump or his supporters accept the result or not. Your stupid leader himself admitted that there is a chance there will be a new administration in place in the near future.

So obv. another one of them people that thinks the associated press calls the winner of the election?
Yeah, sorry to disappoint, thats not how it works...
Calling other people stupid but doesnt know how the US election works... k.

If you really want to die on this hill it is your own death we do not really care, do whatever you want to do and nothing will change, you will only get your own feelings hurt and nobody else would ever be effected by it. However realize the fact that there is ZERO proof of election fraud, Trump campaign has been trying to find one for 12 days now and they haven't found a single shred of evidence for election fraud, not a single one.

So when the proof is there, election officials gave the official results from their own states, and when Trump couldn't find a single reason why it could be fraud, there is really no point of keep saying "media can't declare it" because it is not media, it is where media gets it from and they get it from literally public officials that declares the winner, the ones that literally says the last word in these situations. Try to feel a bit more at peace with the fact that Biden will be USA Potus for 4 years, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

The only reason Trump is president is because he was a television personality. So him attacking the media is very rich indeed.

Biden was favored to win in all betting I could see, so paying out the bets on Biden should be less expensive than if Trump had won.

Companies that already paid out either have rules about this that they followed, or decided to take the risk because they have strong finances so they can afford it. That's something to keep in mind.

xxjumperxx : Clinton conceded to Trump less than 24 hours after the election. Yes she complained about Russia's interference, and rightly so, but never claimed Trump didn't get the votes. Trump got the votes, she conceded, and that was it. Biden now has more votes, by a wider margin that Trump ever did, yet Trump isn't conceding. Tells you everything you need to know about Trump.

It looks like the US have a final decision already but Trump still can't accept it. Does the casinos already paid for the election betting?
I've seen that some are still not paying their players.

ya.ya.yo!

Freebitcoin has still not paid the bet (still in "pending" status) but I'm in no hurry, I think it's even more professional to wait an official announcement. There will be one in few weeks now AFAIK

Apparently Trump must accept defeat, his speech no longer seems so radical, however some casinos are careful to give the final verdict. It is that the impact of distributing the winnings to the possible winners without the official result is very risky. In some newscasts I have seen that until December 14 they will have total security of the winner.

Well, when I read this thread --all gambling sites booker that did, perhaps because she punched me,  pay yet but we don't have the official announcement needs to wait for it the announcement. Perhaps the reason is they need to confirm first keep sending bitcoin address and location. I never experience here problem like this but I think the only way for this topic to get solve is to contact their support and ask regarding your concern.

Chances?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/nov/20/us-election-results-2020-joe-biden-defeats-donald-trump-to-win-presidency
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-us-election-news-11-20-20/h_0ee32947ed392bc91b2af5495bddac2a

Its been declared and with that Georgia recount.

Bettors definitely know that, but it's just annoying that they'll have to wait that long, I think this experience might affect their decision by next election betting and that would result to reduce of bets from politics bettors. Hopefully after that given period of time, everything will be settled and those sportsbook who had settled the bets earlier will not have a problem when we will get the final announcement next month.

Yes, that's precisely why some gambling websites have paid long ago, they figured they could take the small risk, in exchange for customer satisfaction.

A little late about the topic, does the bookie already released the payment for election bets? Looks like it's clear who's the winner the other one won't just admit it. Is there already an official proclamation? If yes I think that's enough to release the payment.

I assume that due to so long vote rearrangements many of gambling services are at a really high risk to become either scam or even subjects for lawsuits

Nice idea on making this thread and let people post in this thread if theu are not paid or paid on the election. I wonder if there is a bookie that didn't paid someone who won picking the right person that won the election and that is biden. I expect that trusted and reputable bookie will paid the winners.

This time it is also a lot more complex that it goes this way. Trump will also not be quick to acknowledge his downfall and will do anything to win the election.
I hope he doesn't win, he is also a very bad loser by the way.

For his years in the presidency, people have seen enough of him and they were not happy, that's the reason why he loss in the election.
Of course he already taste how sweet to be in power, he would not give up easily, but it's not him who speak for that, people will.

He will not win, people know Biden got this already, an official announcement is the only thing they are waiting before grading bets out.

I really do not believe that there is a reason to keep these bets to this day. I understand that the results may not be "official" on paper right now but what is the chance of Trump still being president?

The question was "who will win the election" and the election is already over, Biden won and that's it, if you are still not paying as a sportsbook, you are not doing it because it works for you, maybe you want to put the money into interest for few more months and make a return, maybe you are using that money for something else to get a good return, whatever the reason is if a sportsbook is still not paying Biden win, that means they are not doing it for any political or election related stuff, they are not doing it because not paying for few more months works out for them and that's it. They are ill intended and bad places and I wouldn't gamble there anymore.

After all the states certify their results there should be no more excuses for not paying out. Trump's lawsuits have gone nowhere in proving there was voter fraud. It is already too late to stop Michigan and Georgia from certifying. By Monday next week, Biden's win should be official in enough states that it would be impossible to prevent him from taking office in January. Technically, the electoral college members can vote whichever way they like but since the winning party gets to choose who they send you will not see enough votes flip that it will matter.

How do they do it for let's say cycling, when sometimes doping changes the results, sometimes years later ? Surely they're not going back and taking the money from winners to give it to those who were right "after all" ?

I've placed a bet for Biden on cloudbet.com and they are still not paying out. I have contacted them many times , but they always say the same, that they are waiting until official results will be announced.

I have to agree with you here. They have ulterior motives why they are not paying their players, where clearly Biden won the election. Waiting for official announcement is a weak reasoning from their end why they are still holding the funds. But for those bettors, they will see now which sportsbooks are better and will be a lesson for them which bookie to choose for the next betting season for this event.

The key word here is the fact that nobody has ever accepted any case from Trump team and it gets either declined/rejected or it goes to officials and they do recount and the results are literally the same.

I would understand the uncertainty of the results if there were cases that was taken and it was investigating and the whole election was something that was certainly shady and clouds all over it, that would make sense to wait because we would be uncertain about the results and what is going on. 2000 is a great example for this, that was uncertain and it was too close.

However what we are missing here is that, there is no uncertainty in anywhere official, all the courts and states are saying the results, there is no doubt and nothing shady, it is just plain old results that Trump just denies and that is the whole commotion caused by, trump just denies the official results and can't accept losing.

I think the biggest problem is that The General Services Administration still refuses to acknowledge Biden's victory and begin the formal transition and without them signing the transition results seems to be not official.

At the end of the day the transition is a political thing not an administrative one. Trump is president until the 20th January 2021 and no administration can do anything about it. It is (was) a courtesy for presidents who either lost the election or weren't candidates to make a transition happen with the person who won, but not something written in law.

Many people have placed the bets in authentic Bookies only, but many of the Bookies are strict with their rules. Therefore they are waiting for the official announcement.
Sportsbet.io is one of the best Bookies, they have settled the bets from the beginning only when the media announced the winner.
Nevertheless let's wait for the official announcement from the GSA, so that Bookies will settle our bets As soon as possible.

The problem with those sportsbooks that are not paying right now because "results are not official yet" are basically just trying to keep the money with them for a bit more probably, I don't know what they are hoping for, at the end of the day even though the results are not "official" yet, is there even a %1 chance trump can win? No. Look at what happened in PA for example, it is done deal and not going to change, look at Georgia today, it is done deal (signed literally by a republican registered judge that Biden won) and it is not going to change there.

Look at Michigan, a recount was done and it is not going to change. These are not just some heresay or anything, these are literally judge orders that CAN'T change, so there is absolutely no reason why sportsbooks shouldn't pay on Biden when there is no official way left for Trump to win.

Trump just wrote on twitter :

I want to thank Emily Murphy at GSA for her steadfast dedication and loyalty to our Country. She has been harassed, threatened, and abused – and I do not want to see this happen to her, her family, or employees of GSA. Our case STRONGLY continues, we will keep up the good...
...fight, and I believe we will prevail! Nevertheless, in the best interest of our Country, I am recommending that Emily and her team do what needs to be done with regard to initial protocols, and have told my team to do the same.

If I understanding correctly it means that official transition will begin now.

Even the Trump campaign seems to acknowledge that this thing is over and they have no chance. The only reason to continue stringing along his supporters is probably a financial motive or maybe he thinks it puts him in a stronger position to have influence and control over the Republican party. It is time to move on and for betting markets to stop dragging their feet on this.

He literally wrote about continuing to fight right afterwards as well. This dude is basically doing what needs to be done officially but also goes to twitter to keep his fans angry and fighting just because he likes the attention. He can't just accept defeat when all of his image based on attention and getting showered with (pun intended) love.

So, he will never concede, if you are expecting him to concede at any point of this, you are not going to like what you will see because that will not happen. What will happen is the fact that this election which had no fraud at all will make Biden the president, Trump will have to leave white house and become a regular citizen, and he will still go around the nation talking about how he was cheated out of office, even after we are well into Biden's presidency. You want to know something funny? When Biden's 4 year term ends and either he or someone else is president, Trump will still be saying he was cheated out of white house.

Okay, so does this mean that the bookies does not wait anything anymore to grade bets, or have they grade the bets already?

Twitter post seems not an official announcement though, so I think this is not what the bookies are looking for when grading bets.

Cloudbet.com haven't payed out yet.

The grading of the bets made on biden to win by bookies will happen if he concedes because the ones who have not paid out yet have a rule in the terms of the bets saying if he does not say "he lost" then they will not pay out until he most definitely has conceded the presidency. In essence saying that he had lost.
But has instead said they will see it out in court. This is where many of the books who still not have paid are protected because they state in their rules before you place your bet if it goes to court then they will have to wait until they get the official result from these court cases.
Pinnacle, Betfair, and those who affiliated with these books still have not paid out these winning bets yet and won't until probably January 20th when he has to step down even if he has not conceded/saying he has lost by then.
This would be the very last date the bookies would need to settle their bets.

Bovada, one of the largest USA-friendly offshore sportsbooks, began grading 2020 Election bets yesterday.

https://twitter.com/BovadaOfficial/status/1331341134333759489 (1/2)

https://twitter.com/BovadaOfficial/status/1331341444871827457 (2/2)

From that second Tweet:

Trump's statements are so funny but the most curious and hilarious thing is that the USA is the major observatory of elections in other small countries their statements over elections has value but... Right now, USA states that election was stolen. Isn't this hilarious? :D

I think some sportsbooks are owned by the Trump Organization and they still think that election was stolen and the real winner is Mr Trump (joke).

I think that in reality the casinos that were stated aren't in profit and they have a reason to wait for a while, they may wait until Trump will stop tweeting that he is the real winner and election was stolen.

Absolutely pathetic. They should have informed all punters regarding this rule before the elections started since very few read the T&C due to how complicated they are. Am seriously surprised to see such top books and exchanges delay player winnings like this.

Many books which are way less popular than them in comparison already paid out Biden bets even though they were aware of the risks.

I agree that he will probably never concede as he needs to keep the Trump cult going, however the tweet about letting the transition happen (and it's not just a tweet, he has really let the ball roll) is still him admitting that he isn't going to stay president.

common sense says that until the election is certified, the results aren't official. i remember saying a couple months ago that any close election is gonna end up just like 2000, with weeks or even months of recounts, legal fights.

on that note, a pennsylvania judge just halted election certification proceedings amidst the legal fight over mail-in votes. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsylvania-judge-halts-election-certification-mail-in-vote-lawsuit

it would be one thing if the election were a landslide. since it wasn't......it ain't over until it's over. the silver lining here is that if you really believe biden is guaranteed to win, you can get all the free money you want at 1.05 odds.


that's because they have far less financial exposure than larger books. they can afford it.

betfair has to pay out $1.36 billion (and counting) in bets on this. what happens if they pay out and then the results are overturned?

Well in this case the "common sense" as you say would be to offer a refund to bettors who don't want to wait several months.
If there is an issue on an outcome the "common sense" is to cancel the bet, and not to keep players money for several months. :(

The court decision in Pennsylvania has no impact on the presidential race. They have already certified the results in favor of Biden and chosen electors. It will only have an impact on pending races which have not been certified. It is not likely that this will result in a decertification of the presidential race since the state supreme court has already thrown out other lawsuits attempting to invalidate hundreds of thousands of votes.

No book can probably afford to take a hit especially during these pandemic times in my opinion. They were willing to take risks and we're applauded for it while the big sites are being criticised for playing it too safe.

At this point, it is literally impossible for the results to be overturned. All legal cases are being thrown out while the recounts changed nothing.

This election shouldn't be compared to Gore vs Bush which was far closer in comparison while the vote margin is way higher here even though it isn't a landslide.

I totally agree that this election is much more difficult than at any time in past years. I believe that the situation is still not certain, although the winner is already obvious, but due to the fact that Trump deliberately created a tense situation in any conflict places in order to create certain problems for Biden, the game will continue.

MyBookie [.] ag, another incredibly popular offshore fiat/crypto sportsbook has began paying out 2020 Election bets.

Not only that, Trump bettors are getting their bets refunded as 3x rollover Freeplays.

Should the results get overturned, Trump bettors will be paid in full.

Source: https://twitter.com/mybookiebet/status/1331805130048614402

You know there is no way Trump can make a comeback when even republican filled supreme court throws out his case. Plus he already started to make the transition of power process as well while still trying to claim he won, dude is basically doing one thing and saying another at this point. Which isn't shocking, this is trump we are talking about he is known to be a supreme liar himself.

In any case, for the people who would like to see Biden as president (because people who think trump will still win are too out of their minds) do not be worried, everything goes perfectly according to law, Biden IS the president elect and he is going to be president without any problems, if you are ever worried because of all the talks, remember they are all lies and there is nothing wrong.

no, common sense says that punters shouldn't place bets if they can't wait for official results. elections are not football games. they are a complex legal process.

bookies can't take bets for many months (which affect the odds they pay out) and then just issue refunds to whoever wants one. that's crazy. they would risk insolvency.


there are still multiple ongoing recounts and not all lawsuits have been thrown out.

i agree it's extremely unlikely, but if it's literally impossible, you should place a bet on biden at 1.07 right now. why are you complaining here instead of grabbing all that free money?

figmentofmyass : you still need a large amount of capital to really earn from that bet but OK, where can I take it ?

Cloudbet.com is still not paying out.
 
Regards

betfair still has biden at 1.07. https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.128151441

according to nate silver's tweet from 8 hours ago, betting markets are still giving trump a >10% chance, although i'm not sure what books he's talking about. https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1331966432335302658

as far as bitcoin sportsbooks go, i dunno where you can still make a bet. FTX trump tokens are still trading though. TRUMPGO (biden wins by february 1st) is trading at $0.889, implying 1.111 odds to back biden. https://ftx.com/en/trump-tokens

if i had a poloniex or FTX account (and weren't in a prohibited jurisdiction) i'd probably take that trade right now.

Would that mean you can still bet on that odds now? I guess they are giving free money here... I never gamble in the site yet so I'm unfamiliar with it, but on a regular sportsbook, crypto sportsbook to specific, odds are not anymore available.

I believe that is an error because most betting sites have paid out to winner and have long got it done with the US election, but some that have withhold payment to winners due to legal letigation between the two contestant's. We await the outcome

I had to use a VPN to check, but indeed it's legit. On the blue column people have bet for Biden to the tune of about 5 million pounds, and enough people have bet enough money on other candidates (even ones that really can't happen like Michelle Obama) to yield 5% for a Biden win. Not sure what the columns more to the right are.

I guess you are one of the very few minority who actually believes that Trump still has a chance. This isn't Gore vs Bush. He doesn't have any chance plain and simple.

Also, I don't have a huge bankroll to take advantage of the current Biden odds even though it's free money which is why investing now is pointless for me.

You can obviously bet on those odds which is why it is free money. Take advantage of it if you have a huge bankroll and if you are willing to take a slight risk.

Well, we do have our own will and saying up things on whats currently happening but same as you said where i dont see a chance for Trump to fight for this one.Why he cant really just move on?

Free money with Biden on 1.07? I do somewhat agree on this point and this doesnt talk about the issue about believing for some Trump's chance.

Hey aesma did you use a free VPN to be able to connect to Betfair? Have you been able to place a bet? If yes which one it is please.

I used VyprVPN I get with my Giganews subscription. I haven't registered on betfair because I don't see how I could use it anyway, I'd need a foreign bank account to do the fiat transactions. If something goes wrong I wouldn't be protected as I would have been "cheating" their system, so I'd rather not risk it.

It's not an error, check the link provided and that line is still available, as long as it stays there, it means the result is not formally announce yet, and how can you be so sure that most gambling sites have already graded this certain betting event?

You could contact Betfair support and ask them if it's possible to place the bet without any issues. I don't really think they have issues with VPNs as long as you aren't doing something illegal.

https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/31496933/best-vpn#flvWelcomeHeader

Above link clearly proves that they allow VPN related discussions within their community. I would still clarify with their support though just to be on the safe side.

This is how I usually deal with VPN related scenarios on sports betting and gambling sites. Just my 2 cents.

he wont say it if he didnt witness it  but those sites that pay already graded it on thier own but that may not be official because they dont want thier costumers to wait for their payments .

 they could also be basing on what the majority thinks because majority thinks that biden is the winner and there are minorities  think that the result should be checked again . betfair was a fair site i believed and they their name says it all . they wait because they want to be fair to everyone . anyway i check the link and its really there , the game is still on going

If you're from a restricted region, I think they'd definitely have an issue with using a VPN to circumvent that ban. Anyway, Fairlay has it at 1.065 right now, so you can use Bitcoin and not worry about KYC: https://fairlay.com/market/2020-us-presidential-election/

PA just declared that they will not be providing any court hearing for Trump team as well, they have verified and certified the results, on December 14th the electoral college will get together and there is probably not that many faithless voters neither, hell there are people saying trump ones could even switch to Biden at the last minute there as well but I doubt that is the case.

So, by 14th December is the last option sportsbooks have, if EC ends up voting for Biden and ends the discussion, there is NOTHING trump can do even legally as well, it's done, it is kaput, it is finished job. Until that day all he can do is go to supreme court once more, to make the local courts hear him instead of reject him, and without any evidence (which they have put forward zero so far) that would still end up with a rejection lol.

i can't find any crypto books (with decent betting liquidity anyway) still offering odds. but like i mentioned earlier, FTX's trump tokens are still trading and buying/holding TRUMPGO is essentially the same thing as laying against trump. https://ftx.com/trade/TRUMPGO/USD

it last traded at $0.882, implying odds of 1.118 to bet against trump. that's fucking amazing at this point---never underestimate the delusion of trump supporters. take their money because it's laying on the table. :P

betfair's odds are down to 1.04. reality setting in?


okay, i guess that's a vague way of saying "it's extremely unlikely", sure.


i'm not gonna explain to you the difference between zero and non-zero (but low) chances again. ::)

A note for places that paid out quickly; taking on the risk of an overturned election. I placed bets for Biden and Democrats to win on Betnomi, and it was paid out, I want to say 2 weeks ago or something like that anyways. Hard to remember as I put it right into a Poker tourney lol.

Side note I need to research this stuff better. I'm there now was thinking it might be nice to pick up some free sats, but the layout is confusing. It looks like you select "on" or "Against" at the bottom of the odds, selecting against everything seems to match up to 1.078 as odds given.

I've got an account now so I'll probably explore all of these options and do some site research before funding and betting anything. If I miss it I can't feel to bad, already made something off the election.

I had to read back on your posts to see what this was about. I love it, I'll check them out and see if it's an option for me.

I'm not too sure about that. They seem to move pretty randomly (from my perspective anyway; I don't really follow political news that much). I believe Biden odds dropped to 1.03 about two weeks ago, but it went back to 1.07, and it keeps fluctuating between 1.04-1.07. I have bets placed at 1.12 average odds so watching Betfair odds is my way of seeing how my bet is going  :P

How is this still trading at $0.9 (implicit odds of >1.1)? Is payout of 1 USD guaranteed by FTX or is there some implicit risk that artificially depresses the prices of these tokens?

Wouldn't this be a very simple arbitrage opportunity if you play both sides of the book?

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Regarding the subject set out by the OP, I think that it is fair enough that a lot of books are still waiting for official certification. But as each day passes and no progress is being made in any court, it just makes it increasingly seem like an attempt to stall progress and hold onto user funds for zero reason.

I haven't looked too much into it, but I don't think there's very significant risk of FTX running away with the money. There's probably not much knowledge of the FTX offerings and I guess the audience of a cryptocurrency derivatives exchange doesn't overlap too significantly with the Betfair audience. It's similar to PredictIt, which currently trades Biden at $0.89. Since PredictIt is USA only and Betfair bans USA, it's hard to arbitrage so there's pretty significant spread.

For what it's worth:  that's a fake headline that the Trump campaign was spreading to discredit the media.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-headline/fact-check-the-washington-times-president-gore-headline-is-fake-idUSKBN27P216

They did call Florida for Bush too early, and then Gore conceded only to later retract.  This all went down during election night though - not a comparable situation really.

Besides, the only thing you need to trust to know who won the election is a calculator.

Accept it or not, but Biden is the winner of the USA elections on statistics and everyone has to accept it. Few sportsbook may take more time but eventually they will have to pay to those who have bet for Biden. There is nothing to worry about, just a few more days before every sportbook will settle this bet.  

Based on my research, I think it's possible to place a bet successfully through Betfair using a VPN as long as their support team validates it beforehand. Already placed a bet on Fairlay earlier. The odds are down to 1.059 something against Trump.

The problem here is that punters are used to bets getting settled and paid out quickly which is why they expected the same with this bet. Majority of them including me weren't aware that the books and exchanges would take an eternity to pay out in this manner.

i'm not sure where you're located but if ftx.com isn't an option, there is also poloniex.


FTX is legit. it's all about the difficulty to arbitrage. the crypto markets are a bitch to access---jurisdiction issues or the need to buy BTC first and send to a secondary altcoin exchange. trump tokens are a pretty small market to want to jump through all those hoops.

i also wonder if the crypto market just favors trump a bit more than the rest of the betting market. not enough to make it worth arbitraging, but enough to skew the odds.

Yeah, but I guess FTX's offerings are far more appealing than PredictIt given that it's got a pretty sizable orderbook, while PredictIt limits to US citizens and I think $800 USD per bet.

The only concern with this token is precisely that they may also refuse to pay out on Feb 1st. Although they did settle the TRUMPWIN/TRUMPLOSE tokens this month it's no guarantee that they will do the same in February. They have ultimate control over the interpretation of settlement conditions:


It's certainly a very interesting deal either way given that the winner has been long called, and I might put some mBTC on it just for fun  ;D

Can't believe we've still got markets on this, to be honest;) I mean, right now, all the news I can find is about Trump himself giving up, and courts left and right throwing out his appeals for recount. I'm sure deep down the guy has already given up but is just making a good show of going down fighting in case he decides to run again in 4 years (can he do that?).

He could try, but it would be pointless. Think about it. Trump was such a bad president that many people were in favor of impeaching him during his first term itself which is why him losing against Biden isn't surprising at all.

He would still lose if tries running for President in the future in my opinion which is why the republicans would probably choose someone better as their nominee in the future to compete against the democrats.

Also, he probably won't be able to run for President later since he has to face a plethora of lawsuits once he officially steps down.

That has been always the case, there has never been any "proof" of fraud ever and never provided with any problems at all. Think about it this way, trump campaign just spent 3 million (of regular folks money who donated) just to do a recount and Biden won 100+ votes instead of Trump proving there was a scam.

They are really not thinking smart because one day Biden is an old senile fool while the other moment he organized the greatest fraud in history of USA, they make no sense at certain points. So long story short it was always Trump claiming fraud because he is not someone who can accept defeat and that was the only reason for all of this, whereas the reality was just him losing straight up while being narsistic person, I hope trump fans will see that one day but I doubt it.

Betting has an emotional component and a rational component. I'd say at the moment people putting money on Biden favor the rational, and people putting money on Trump the emotional.

Also, to earn money by betting on Biden, you must bet a big amount, while you can bet a smaller amount on Trump.

Trump and emotional? I disagree. They bet on the underdog which offers better odds plain and simple. High risk, high reward is what they are after basically.

Not necessarily. I observed many sites offering 1.6-1.7 odds for a Biden win which are pretty awesome odds if you ask me. Many expected Trump to lose after his bad presidential performance which made these odds really tempting.

I'm talking about today. Today the election is over, yet some are still betting, at 1.05-1.07 for Biden, and the reverse for Trump. If you have a spare million to put on Biden, you're going to win 50000 easily. Those putting money on Trump today just want to spend money to keep their dream alive or something.

Trump's chances of staying in office are effectively 0%. There is no legal route that can overturn the results. I don't think he'll attempt a coup. Anybody who bets on him is only throwing money away. Even if you're a die hard Trump supporter why not put your money on Biden to recover your losses or invest in Bitcoin instead?

Saw this. We all know the reasoning behind this wasn't to get a better shot at winning in the courts, as the courts aren't going to care about anything relating to fake news. They're going to care about substance of the allegations, which there has not been any.

The reason for this is so Trump can enrage the base and make some of them feel like there is still a chance - which is the reason for 60-70% of Republicans thinking that voter fraud was common and the reason for Biden winning this election.

Trump will maintain his grip over the party through doing this. Raising money and continuing to build his contacts that he'll be able to use when the midterms come around.

Firstly, they care more about Trump recovering his presidency than recovering their own money. Also, the odds on a Trump win right now are very high which is why they would need to invest small amounts in order to win big.

Most hardcore Trump supporters won't be able to digest the truth right away and will need time to get their head around it based on what I am observing.

I disagree. Trump has lost his grip over his own family. Most republicans are probably focusing on a new nominee since Trump has embarrassed them by becoming the first President to not concede honorably in US history.

Not sure if we're watchin the same post election analysis stuff, but even though he's it's been awhile since a first term president has lost (First Bush), it hasn't caused every single GOP Senator to revolt against him. Pretty sure at this very moment more members of the GOP Senate delegation have had COVID then have called on Trump to concede (heard it a few days ago, could be wrong now)

Donald Trump still controls the base off the party, they still love him and will continue to stand with him. There's no way for either one of us to know at this very moment who is right though, going to have to wait until after January on this one.

I read in the news that Biden is also winning in the latter states. This election puppet show has been secretly going on for a long time.
It would be nice if that came to an end and that everyone knows where they stand, also for the people who have placed a stake on this.

It has never been different in the USA President Election?
The Media announces it every election but the official result will be made when the Electoral College declares a winner.
Its not a puppet show...
The official result will be when the EC declares the winner.
Dont know how the election works, dont bet on it?

This article is just one of many examples why the Republicans are worried about Trump.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/11/30/us/politics/georgia-republicans-trump-kemp.amp.html

He is growing paranoid with every passing day and it's only a matter of time before more and more Republicans lose faith in him. They will probably find a much better replacement in first half of 2021.

Trump isn't a politician though. He has no grip on the party in the traditional sense, instead he is popular with the party's voters, so the politicians want to be associated with him. Now that he has lost, they will still pay lip service to Trump, but they will want less and less association with him. Using him in the midterms would probably be a losing proposition, by then the GOP will try to make people forget about Trump.

Oh I totally know that they are worried as we've seen story after story about that, but all of these worries have been made privately as it is NOT popular within the Republican party to go against Trump and it most likely wont be for sometime. His support will erode over time, though once Biden begins to act like a Dem and does some of the leftward shift stuff Trump, or someone like him, is going to gain relevance again.

It's understandable right now to be like -- What the fuck, Trump is crazy and there's no chance he can continue to lead this party. But the guy literally just did a hostile takeover of the party and is a reason for a lot of down the ballot Republicans to even have a job right now. (Ex: See Ron DeSantis, as he would never be the Florida Gov if not for the Trump endorsement)

Valid points, but the biggest point that you are forgetting is his horrible handling of the pandemic which is a rare event basically. He made such a royal mess out of it that you can literally write essays discussing all his errors.

He literally got affected himself. If he couldn't take care of his own health, how could he take care of all the Americans depending on him? This one question is one of the primary reasons why he lost against Biden.

It was a huge test and he failed miserably. As you said, the republicans won't abandon him right away, but will do so slowly and steadily over time.

I would say the reason why Trump got a huge win was the fact that Tea Party got involved with republicans instead of being a separate entity, think of it like Bernie Sanders and the likes of progressive leftists taking over democratic party as well (which they are growing in numbers too).

Trump is not the old kind of conservative party person, nor people around him neither, he is more of a person who would like to take the party a bit more right, being a conservative was not seen as a bad thing, it was actually quite cool for a very long time, but Trump made conservative sound more like racist thing, which it wasn't and it isn't but he took that and ran with it.

As long as Tea Party people of Republicans stand, there is no way that party can survive. Plus we should bring back "country over party" instead of "if my party member kills 200 million Americans, I still can't support other party" type of idiocy.

According to the results of the US presidential elections, Biden won more than 80 million votes of his voters, which is a historical indicator in the history of the country, and despite the fact that this is a clear indicator of Victory, there is still a long time before January 6, 2021 when the chairman sounds the name of the winner. in this connection, many publications are talking about some kind of revenge. I can't figure out how Trump still has a chance to bypass Biden?

There is no possible way for Trump to reverse the results. All these revenge theories etc are bullcrap promoted by those media networks that heavily favor the republicans and stand against the Democrats.

Meanwhile, majority of the world has already acknowledged Biden as the new POTUS while the minority are in denial for various reasons.

Haha, you are absolutely right, the world knows Biden is already the winner, however, Trump seems not giving up the fight yet because in his mind he thought he won, and accusing Biden's camp of cheating him, that will never be prove, but if there's still line available until now, I won't be betting anymore.

At this point I believe all betting sites have pay out to Biden winning but I still know a few will delay due to Court cases and will pay out when the president get swear in January.

I believe major sportsbook has not graded the bet yet.
This information though not updated but I think it's still relevant until now.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willyakowicz/2020/11/13/even-the-bookies-want-the-election-to-be-over-and-the-betting-to-stop/?sh=39db35e63c05


More information ; https://www.vox.com/21539173/electoral-college-explained-2020-trump-biden

Also, we can observed that we haven't seen post in this thread that bettors are already paid with their winnings.

This is the result when you are just too confident that those things into your mind will be always happening but when reality do slapped you in the face then thats the

thing that cant really be or hardly accepted by someone who have this kind of behavior and this old man does have this kind of characteristic and even if the election is over

he tries to mess up everything and trying to claim that he had been cheated by the opposing side.Most of bookies had already give out the results but there are still
few who do wait up for those court cases which i can say its pointless.

They are just holding up for that long because the result wont most likely be favoring on Trumps side. Its clear whose the winner but this old hag cant really move on.

With now California officially certified, there is literally ZERO way that Trump could stay president. That is the topic here isn't it, for all the people who had 2 IQ to rub against, you would have realized that Biden won and it would be easily provable and there were never a single case of fraud that was helping Trump's case, if there were any that they could have proved, they would have done that already.

However sportsbooks that denied payment knew this too, they knew that Biden won, they knew that they would eventually have to pay, they knew the longer they wait, the result wouldn't change. What they have done is to manage disenfranchise the people who wager there, and caused them to find another place to gamble, which really hurts them as well, so it was a bad move.

It's not about whether Trump can prove something or not, whether he will win the court or not. The fact is that the president should be officially announced by the electoral college. Only at this moment, by law, the president is considered elected. Large media are not a college of electors, so some bookmakers are waiting for official recognition of Biden as president. As long as there is at least 1 chance that Trump can change something, they will not make payments.

The only thing Trump can do is a coup or starting some kind of civil war. If that happens (I mean a violent coup, because what he's doing is already akin to a coup, for some), then we'll have to worry about more important stuff than bets on websites, and these websites are likely to all go bankrupt along with half the US companies...

The way I see it, it seems it will not happen anytime soon, Trump does not have the support of the people, he is a sore loser who does not want to go down from his position, but people have spoken, soon it will be announce that Biden won a clean election and Trump had to step down.

Let's be more concern about the grading of bet in this thread, forget about the worst case scenario mate.

Just to be able to stay as president? Sounds like what a country with social instability would do. Something along the lines of a Castro or Noreaga. :(
He does still have the rioting happening in several states to fall back on if this coup or civil war doesn't transpire for him.

There was a rally he held yesterday in Georgia where there was a big screen showing his so called evidence of the democrats flushing his ballots down the toilet.
So this was the evidence he was going to bring to the courts in overturning the polls? :-\
Very weak substance for any judge not to throw out of court just on the basis of having the audacity of even trying.

Cloudbet.com is still not paying out .

I guess there's still a lot more gambling sites who are still not playing, correct me if I'm wrong.

Hopefully we will see some update in this thread on gambling sites have have already paid or graded the bets on the last election.

theres a reply from cloudbets official representative on the forum in the gambling discussion board : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5279076.msg55778966#msg55778966 .

 they say that dont have exact schedule yet for the payments  .some users are saying that january is the time where the issue in election is going to be fixed , that was few days ahead and the wait shouldnt be that long. just need a little patience guys and you can get your payments soon .

 no one expected that there is going to be delays because before election bettors didnt expect a longer delays than this current one .

I've taken some words of their reply in the link provided by you.


If I understand it correctly, they have settled some and some are yet to be settled? How is it possible? Settling of bets should be for all, or maybe they have settle those small bets only?

I don't want to take a side, but I love to read ToS', especially when I'm making non-traditional bets. And the last time I checked, the media outlets are not the official way to declare the new POTUS.

There is Certification by the states, Lawsuits, etc. Before the Electoral College decision (in 3 days), the bets cannot be settled.

Even now, you could find arbitrages with a lot of value because of this whole mess:

https://fairlay.com/market/2020-us-presidential-election/

https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.128151441

You could Back Trump @ 19 and Lay Trump @ 10 or less with some luck.

(I know that the one exchange is BTC, the other fiat, but this could be hedged)

The US electoral college confirmed Bidden's victory:

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55312272

It's official now and all bookies have to pay! I'm sure that Trump will continue with the court attempts, but the electoral college has its vote.

Cloudbet. Com still refuses to settle the bets.

From what I can tell the last few that were holding out finally paid out yesterday, except for the ones that had January 20th as their deadline.

They did the right thing but there are still some delusional people who think Trump still has a chance to stay in power.

All 2020 US Presidential bets have been settled at BetBTC.

We appreciate your patience.  ;)

Wonder if the bookie that took that million dollar biden bet in the UK paid out this players winnings now that the domino effect seems to have taken hold of these sportsbook makers in their decision on it being a reality. :-\

Any bookie that doesn't pay after today is a pure scam and nothing more, do not listen to what they say, do not really care about what their reasoning would be, if they are not paying you after today, they are pure scammers and they just stole your money, if you have any valid legal defense than you should start a lawsuit without a doubt.

Electoral college is the only thing that matters in these cases and Biden passed over 270 already, he is the president-elect and all of this discussions about Trump and a comeback and fraud all thrown out of the window. It was always an idiotic move to keep Biden bettors money, it was obvious that Trump is not a person that would say he lost, so sportsbooks moving according to what Trump says was moronic anyway. However after today, anyone that doesn't pay up is a scammer.

People here are not very smart... you want to get payed for something that didnt happen yet. Wait until 6 january

Biden's victory has already been certified at the county and state level, the electoral college has voted. How many more times does Biden need to win for it to really be official? There is no need to wait for January because we already know what the outcome will be. Despite what some viral social media posts might be claiming there is nothing that Republicans can do at this point to reverse the results of the election.

Lol. Something that didn't happen yet? You are clearly dumb. It seems like you are living in an alternate reality just like the other Trump supporters who are still in denial moaning and whining instead of growing up and facing the reality.

Biden is the new President and the majority don't really care whether Trump supporters acknowledge it or not. Books that paid out on time are being applauded.

On the other hand, books that are waiting till January are being criticised for not taking risks. This is the truth.

Maybe this man is a die hard Trump supporter and what the heck on why he do consider this on not have been done yet? Do his eyes are plastic?  :D

Why people cant just get over with it yet its been clear as water on whose the winner and the loser.They cant really just accept the hard truth and
still fighting for something that it is unlikely to be changed.

Books who do withheld those winnings are a bit kind of that trying to be sure without even thinking that theyre ruining out their names.

Stake has declare my trump bets as a lose but i dont really care cause i know 100% sure that in january they will have to change them from lose to win

If that happens then there will be a civil war in the US, with potentially the country breaking up. As a consequence a global economic crash is certain, maybe even wars in other places, since the US wouldn't be able to play its "world police" role anymore. Are you really sure that's what you want to happen, just to "win" a bet ?

BTW what did you bet on exactly, the election, on who will be president ? Because the election is over, and we know who won that, Biden did. Now the only thing that can happen is Trump and his supporters subverting democracy, overthrowing the elected government to put Trump in place, as king or maybe emperor.

This is not the place to discusss it but omg... the fraud is so clear i dont know how can you guys not see it. Once it is proved Trump will continue as POTUS

What are you babbling about? You are just one among many Trump supporters who is clearly still in denial. You lost. Deal with it. 100% sure? Lol. Can you predict the future? Stop acting like you can.

Emperor Trump? I don't think so. Sad Trump is more accurate. He is in a bad state currently due to his lawsuits being thrown out regularly and is losing a lot of money. On top of this, his wife might divorce him and take a decent portion of his money soon.

I was about to post about betbtc already settled the bets, but when I read the previous page, I saw they already posted.
Hopefully the other sites have already settled the bets as well so everyone will be happy, especially now that bitcoin has already hit a new ATH.

For over a month now all the trump fanatics had just one thing they could ever say "media doesn't decide the winner" and that didn't even made any sense neither, they are idiots so they just got whatever they heard from some other person and use it against elections, no trump fan was smart enough to realize that media doesn't just make up stuff when it comes to factual stuff, the election results wasn't shown on media by just "guess" it was fact, it was official numbers given by the officials, literally same numbers given to government was given to public as well but they didn't see that as official and said media wasn't deciding the winner, idiotic but still easily moved past.

Now even electoral college decided, literally the thing that suppose to pick the president has decided. What are they defending now?

I guess sportsbook have already settled the bets, betbtc confirmed it here.

Therefore, I believe other sportsbook have also settled the bets already, otherwise we will see some post here complaining.
Silence means they are already satisfied and enjoying their big winning.

I really think they are paid already that's true that if they didn't get their payouts some people here will complain already. Well it's pretty obvious that Biden won the election just this Trump can't accept it.

I've read in the forum that there are sites that have already settled the bet early, before December 15, I can say they did a great job because the decision was not a messed, Biden still wins.

Hope this thread isnt deleted at least until 20 january hahaha gonna laugh a lot that day

No it wont yet this topic being discussed is relevant or isn't over yet on the sense that there had been still some decisions to be known on upcoming January.

Overall why would bookies do still hope that there's some chance of changing some decision or outcome? Biden already won as the President.
Bookies are just way too ensuring things too much.

Yes he won thanks to clearly fraud on the states we all know. Trump will be next president once it is proved in January. Even Vegas had clear Trump was gonna win as he was priced @1.07 when i went to sleeep. Then suddenly all mail votes went for Biden in those key states😂 Just wait and trust the plan. This is similar to a sport fixing but with the difference that in just one month it will be proved and result will be changed👍

No they didn't.

Trump lied about his odds the 'so called bookies' had on him, and now you're repeating it as if it were fact.  I'm guessing you don't even realize you're not telling the truth though, so here:

1- You can't bet on politics in Vegas.
2- The best chance any book gave him was ~70% (1.4) around midnight, after he was projected to win Florida but before any other swing states had reported enough votes.
https://i.gyazo.com/83bf4294be4a0004a77f1f9a185f803c.png

🤡 i didnt even read that tweet. I was following live odds in stake and bet365 and he was 1.07 before i went to sleep. Think whatever you want. We will talk again in one month😉

Votes decide elections, not bets.


Actually some will be happy with the delay, the BTC they got for their win is worth a lot more than 1 month ago ! Time for coke and hookers !

Nope.  Trump was never 1.07 to win on bet365.  Not a chance.  Don't fool yourself.

Here are the average odds of all the major books (including bet365) from the morning of the election till the weekend.

https://i.gyazo.com/27973d8e73d72e4add7ecb39c072d0f4.png

You're claiming 'vegas' gave Trump a ~94% (1.07) chance of winning before you went to bed....maybe it was while you were dreaming?  

BetFair settled the bets with Biden as the winner.

https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.128151441

Good to know, so slowly the betting sites have settle the bets, if a site still has not settled the bets until now, then maybe we should feel nervous about that as they might make an exit scam. Congratulations to the winners, the delayed of settling the bet was a blessing in disguise.

Predictit settled this morning.

I don't have any skin in the game but am curious what these sites who have already paid out would do if somehow Trump's lawyers worked some sort of legal magic to actually keep him in the white house.  I wonder if they would then pay out the other side of the bet or would even have the reserves left to do so.  Would they then confiscate all the BTC on their platform and disappear, or try to use future user fees to stay in business?  It would be interesting to watch for sure and if I held a lot of funds on some gambling site that had already paid out based on the election results, I would keep a watchful eye on the situation and consider withdrawing anything I couldn't afford to lose.

I'm not aware of any smaller books that are actually acting as 'the book'.  These days there are the giant established books, and then there are a few odds providers that run the back end of most crypto betting sites. 

I would expect the established books to take the hit and pay Trump bets.  If they didn't, it would do serious damage to their reputation. (Paddy power actually paid out Clinton bets a week or two before the 2016 election as a publicity stunt.  In the end they probably still made out ahead after the MSM ran with it and gave them tons of exposure)

For the rest I would expect the odds providers to take the hit, and if they ran off then you'd see some smaller books that don't have the cash or rep to protect fold up.  

I know Stake came out and said they were paying Biden bets out of pocket because their odds provider was planning on waiting till Jan and they didn't want all the money tied up for that long.  They were open about being on the hook if Trump does find a way to win.

@OgNasty a few days back this would have been a genuine concern for all the parties i.e. gamblers and sportsbook, but now Biden victory is official, and nothing can change it.

Furthermore even Republicans are accepting him as the president, which ends any speculation about Trump being able to reverse the election results, hence we don’t need to worry about this scenario.

Lastly even if we consider a hypothetical scenario any legit sportsbook would be foolish not to pay those people who wagered on Trump, because they would lose a lot of money in the long run as people would stop playing on their sites.

Sources:

https://apnews.com/article/electoral-college-confirm-joe-biden-win-2d4fd7368d8fd6cb47ff0b2cc206271a

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/16/trump-mcconnell-election-biden-president/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/15/technology/can-trump-still-win.html

Technically Congress still has the chance to object.  And a few will, and then they'll have to debate, and then as long as a Majority of both the house and senate don't agree with the objections then he will have the votes.

And then, technically, he won't be president until sworn in.

It's kind of like when a golfer wins a tournament.  He's still gotta sign the score card, and then he's still gotta do the ceremony, but the books want the money in the gamblers hands asap so they can gamble with it, so they aren't going to wait unless there's a good reason to.

This Juggy777 is a such a brainwashed😂Sharing NYTimes...Washingtonpost articles haha Another example of a guy brainwashed by leftie media. I would suggest everybody here to start reading this twitter accounts... @cjtruth @kanekoathegreat @anonpatriotq

Did people bet on who would be president in February 2021 or did they bet on who would win the election ? Because the election is over, and Biden has won that. The only thing that can happen now is some kind of coup, either by judges, the GOP, or by force. None of which are very likely.