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Economy => Gambling => Topic started by: DONTPLAYluckybit on November 23, 2020, 07:20:30 PM



Title: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: DONTPLAYluckybit on November 23, 2020, 07:20:30 PM
I viewed many of Luckybit's advertisements before playing.

One was wager 10 BTC and receive 0.05 BTC.  This influenced my decision to play there.

I know that the house edge is 1.76%.  My probable loss would be 0.176 Bitcoin after wagering 10 BTC.

I wagered 7 Bitcoin with 3 Bitcoin left to go.

LuckyBit then reduced the 0.05 BTC to 0.005 BTC without warning or notification and then claimed it was well within their rights to take it as it was "free money".

I argued that playing towards a requirement costs money with a 1.76% house edge.

I tried to bring this dispute up and instead of answering all my questions, I was banned. 

They claim that they can change whatever they want at any time.  This includes depositing and cashout requirements. 

I ask the community their thoughts and opinions on the matter and believe that this may warrant a scam accusation or at least a red warning to others.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: MI6 on November 23, 2020, 07:28:17 PM
That is very sad to hear if it happened. I don't know if they have much affinity on the forum, but maybe they can explain this explanation?
I would also only play on trustworthy sites and at least sites that are licensed to begin with.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: TGD on November 23, 2020, 07:34:05 PM
I viewed many of Luckybit's advertisements before playing.

One was wager 10 BTC and receive 0.05 BTC.  This influenced my decision to play there.

I know that the house edge is 1.76%.  My probable loss would be 0.176 Bitcoin after wagering 10 BTC.

I wagered 7 Bitcoin with 3 Bitcoin left to go.

LuckyBit then reduced the 0.05 BTC to 0.005 BTC without warning or notification and then claimed it was well within their rights to take it as it was "free money".

I argued that playing towards a requirement costs money with a 1.76% house edge.

I tried to bring this dispute up and instead of answering all my questions, I was banned. 

They claim that they can change whatever they want at any time.  This includes depositing and cashout requirements. 

I ask the community their thoughts and opinions on the matter and believe that this may warrant a scam accusation or at least a red warning to others.

Do you read the rules of there bonus before you play? Some casino always indicate a note that they can change rules without further notice and they always use that same statement over and over to dodge some payout from a legit player. I'm not a player on luckybit but they are here for a long time without a problem. A further screenshot of your conversation will help to understand further the situation before we act accordingly.



Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: codegnome on November 23, 2020, 07:35:39 PM
I think changing the rules is quite complicated. They cannot just change the rule once you have already received the bonus.
That would then only be for new bonuses. And there will probably not be a constant policy for a payout.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: Stedsm on November 23, 2020, 07:39:46 PM
That is very sad to hear if it happened. I don't know if they have much affinity on the forum, but maybe they can explain this explanation?
I would also only play on trustworthy sites and at least sites that are licensed to begin with.

Don't tell me you don't know luckybit?



@OP, did you try to connect with them through the forum before shooting this here? I believe not. Anyways, they're available here daily, ask them to come over here to explain the situation and see what actually happened. If something comes as a possibility for you, you'll surely be entertained. And one more thing, yes it's in their control to decide and change the terms whenever and however they can "IF AND ONLY IF" it was written in their terms "which you accepted already" before playing there. You can't do anything if they had it written that they can change the conditions of the bonus to whatever and however they'd like because it is free money. I also know about the bonus you're talking about and very well aware of it.

I'm not taking anybody's side, not coming on any conclusions till luckybit comes here and put their part.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: yahoo62278 on November 23, 2020, 07:50:13 PM
I viewed many of Luckybit's advertisements before playing.

One was wager 10 BTC and receive 0.05 BTC.  This influenced my decision to play there.

I know that the house edge is 1.76%.  My probable loss would be 0.176 Bitcoin after wagering 10 BTC.

I wagered 7 Bitcoin with 3 Bitcoin left to go.

LuckyBit then reduced the 0.05 BTC to 0.005 BTC without warning or notification and then claimed it was well within their rights to take it as it was "free money".

I argued that playing towards a requirement costs money with a 1.76% house edge.

I tried to bring this dispute up and instead of answering all my questions, I was banned. 

They claim that they can change whatever they want at any time.  This includes depositing and cashout requirements. 

I ask the community their thoughts and opinions on the matter and believe that this may warrant a scam accusation or at least a red warning to others.
Anyone viewing this topic or planning to respond should have a look at the sites TERMSOFSERVICE (https://luckyb.it/terms-of-service).

  • 1.3 You should read these Terms carefully before using the Site.
  • 1.4 By accessing or using the Site or otherwise indicating your consent, you agree to be bound by these Terms and the documents referred to in them.
  • 1.5 If you do not agree with or accept any of these Terms, you should stop using the Site immediately.
  • 15 Authority of the Rules and our decisions You agree to the Rules as amended from time to time. LuckyBit retains authority over the issuing, maintenance, and closing of the Services. The decision of LuckyBit’s management, as regards any use of the Services, or dispute resolution, is final and shall not be open to review or appeal, subject to applicable law.
  • 23.2.5 LuckyBit reserves the right to amend, cancel, reclaim or refuse any Promotion at our discretion;
  • 23.2.7 We reserve the right to withdraw any Promotion at any time.

After reading the terms, then you can come back and read what has happened to this user. Long story short, Luckybit lowered the achievements this past week. Many abusers creating multiple accounts to cheat the site, as well as btc price rising, the site decided to make an adjustment in the achievement prizes. Luckybit also added new promotions where users can earn quite a decent amount of BTC through the rakeback weekend kinda trying to offsetting the change in the prizes offered via achievements.

This user has not made a deposit since September. He really has no reason to complain about not getting free money, but he feels he is correct even though the terms state they can be changed at any time. None of the the prizes offered in the achievements section are guaranteed to stay the amount they are now. The site may increase or decrease them at their discretion.

The user was banned for continuing to not accept the decision that was made and keep trying to argue with the moderators. It was not for disputing anything.

Luckybit was not acting malicious in changing the achievements. They don't sit back and watch everyone wager and say, "oh shit this guy is close to getting an achievement, we better change the prizes". Like I said already, the guy hadn't made a deposit since September and was not actively trying to clear anything. He is just looking for an opportunity to try and squeeze money out of a site IMO, and is upset that they are not caving.



Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: DONTPLAYluckybit on November 23, 2020, 08:03:45 PM
I viewed many of Luckybit's advertisements before playing.

One was wager 10 BTC and receive 0.05 BTC.  This influenced my decision to play there.

I know that the house edge is 1.76%.  My probable loss would be 0.176 Bitcoin after wagering 10 BTC.

I wagered 7 Bitcoin with 3 Bitcoin left to go.

LuckyBit then reduced the 0.05 BTC to 0.005 BTC without warning or notification and then claimed it was well within their rights to take it as it was "free money".

I argued that playing towards a requirement costs money with a 1.76% house edge.

I tried to bring this dispute up and instead of answering all my questions, I was banned. 

They claim that they can change whatever they want at any time.  This includes depositing and cashout requirements. 

I ask the community their thoughts and opinions on the matter and believe that this may warrant a scam accusation or at least a red warning to others.
Anyone viewing this topic or planning to respond should have a look at the sites TERMSOFSERVICE (https://luckyb.it/terms-of-service).

  • 1.3 You should read these Terms carefully before using the Site.
  • 1.4 By accessing or using the Site or otherwise indicating your consent, you agree to be bound by these Terms and the documents referred to in them.
  • 1.5 If you do not agree with or accept any of these Terms, you should stop using the Site immediately.
  • 15 Authority of the Rules and our decisions You agree to the Rules as amended from time to time. LuckyBit retains authority over the issuing, maintenance, and closing of the Services. The decision of LuckyBit’s management, as regards any use of the Services, or dispute resolution, is final and shall not be open to review or appeal, subject to applicable law.
  • 23.2.5 LuckyBit reserves the right to amend, cancel, reclaim or refuse any Promotion at our discretion;
  • 23.2.7 We reserve the right to withdraw any Promotion at any time.

After reading the terms, then you can come back and read what has happened to this user. Long story short, Luckybit lowered the achievements this past week. Many abusers creating multiple accounts to cheat the site, as well as btc price rising, the site decided to make an adjustment in the achievement prizes. Luckybit also added new promotions where users can earn quite a decent amount of BTC through the rakeback weekend kinda trying to offsetting the change in the prizes offered via achievements.

This user has not made a deposit since September. He really has no reason to complain about not getting free money, but he feels he is correct even though the terms state they can be changed at any time. None of the the prizes offered in the achievements section are guaranteed to stay the amount they are now. The site may increase or decrease them at their discretion.

The user was banned for continuing to not accept the decision that was made and keep trying to argue with the moderators. It was not for disputing anything.

Luckybit was not acting malicious in changing the achievements. They don't sit back and watch everyone wager and say, "oh shit this guy is close to getting an achievement, we better change the prizes". Like I said already, the guy hadn't made a deposit since September and was not actively trying to clear anything. He is just looking for an opportunity to try and squeeze money out of a site IMO, and is upset that they are not caving.



Quoted before he can delete this and will address it later.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: Stedsm on November 23, 2020, 08:31:27 PM
Quoted before he can delete this and will address it later.

I can only LMFAO and ROFL on your statement.
Yahoo is a member of luckybit and knows that site much better than anyone else on this forum and the site itself (except luckybit staff and admins) and you believe he'll delete his comment here? You're just inviting too much animosity for nothing but just a few bucks. It was free money you played with, so just move on man.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: Cacingkemi on November 23, 2020, 08:45:40 PM
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23.2.7 We reserve the right to withdraw any Promotion at any time.


I think this is quite remarkable. Are they referring to ongoing promotions or if a promotion is even running at the time they want to change it?
Doesn't it seem to me that they shouldn't adjust it for retroactive promotions?


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: DONTPLAYluckybit on November 23, 2020, 08:51:54 PM
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23.2.7 We reserve the right to withdraw any Promotion at any time.


I think this is quite remarkable. Are they referring to ongoing promotions or if a promotion is even running at the time they want to change it?
Doesn't it seem to me that they shouldn't adjust it for retroactive promotions?

They have indicated that it applies to everything.  They basically stated that they can change cashout requirements if they wanted to because it's stated in their terms and conditions.

Their stance is 'If you don't agree to the terms and conditions, do not play on this site'.

Their terms and conditions are they can change whatever, whenever they want.

Therefore, DO NOT PLAY on LUCKYBIT


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: examplens on November 23, 2020, 09:05:56 PM
They have indicated that it applies to everything.  They basically stated that they can change cashout requirements if they wanted to because it's stated in their terms and conditions.

Their stance is 'If you don't agree to the terms and conditions, do not play on this site'.

Their terms and conditions are they can change whatever, whenever they want.

Their casino, their rules. You had to be faster to win this price, obviously, this promotion is for fast and skilled players.


Quoted before he can delete this and will address it later.

I can only LMFAO and ROFL on your statement.
Yahoo is a member of luckybit and knows that site much better than anyone else on this forum and the site itself (except luckybit staff and admins) and you believe he'll delete his comment here? You're just inviting too much animosity for nothing but just a few bucks. It was free money you played with, so just move on man.

have you paid attention to the title of this topic? he seems to have already counted on the prize he has yet to win, 0.05BTC were already in his pocket, but LuckyBit stole it from him. shame on it.
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LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req



Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: DONTPLAYluckybit on November 23, 2020, 09:06:42 PM
Quoted before he can delete this and will address it later.

I can only LMFAO and ROFL on your statement.
Yahoo is a member of luckybit and knows that site much better than anyone else on this forum and the site itself (except luckybit staff and admins) and you believe he'll delete his comment here? You're just inviting too much animosity for nothing but just a few bucks. It was free money you played with, so just move on man.

Yes, I do believe he may have deleted his comment.

For one, he outright lied about the reason of banning.  He claims "The user was banned for continuing to not accept the decision that was made and keep trying to argue with the moderators. It was not for disputing anything." yet in this screenshot, you can clearly see the reason for the ban being "Complain about the achievements price going down."

https://imgur.com/gyPkhmL    (Can someone repost this?  I can't as a newbie user)

I also didn't argue.  I asked questions that did not get answered.  They opted to ban me instead.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: Stedsm on November 23, 2020, 09:13:31 PM
have you paid attention to the title of this topic? he seems to have already counted on the prize he has yet to win, 0.05BTC were already in his pocket, but LuckyBit stole it from him. shame on it.
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LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req

Let me make something clear to you:
- Luckybit was giving away $20 for free in BTC to users.
- They had a condition that whoever wagers 10 BTC from that free $20 worth of BTC will get BTC0.05 more as an achievement and can withdraw after just doing 1x (I don't remember wager requirements for this 0.05 BTC but probably the one I mentioned).
- They have stated in their rules that they have the right to increase/reduce the prize money at any point of time, so it's probably not this user alone but may have happened to others too who simultaneously had joined this user in reaching the 10 BTC wagering requirement but are they complaining? That's why I said that it was free money and that BTC0.05 was going to come after this user (may) have met BTC10 wagering requirements fully.



--snip--

https://imgur.com/gyPkhmL    (Can someone repost this?  I can't as a newbie user)

I also didn't argue.  I asked questions that did not get answered.  They opted to ban me instead.

Your image reposted below:

https://i.ibb.co/JtZXcW1/gy-Pkhm-L-d.jpg


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: BlackFor3st on November 23, 2020, 09:19:31 PM
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23.2.7 We reserve the right to withdraw any Promotion at any time.


I think this is quite remarkable. Are they referring to ongoing promotions or if a promotion is even running at the time they want to change it?
Doesn't it seem to me that they shouldn't adjust it for retroactive promotions?


It is strange that that is allowed. Can't imagine that's the intention. If you enter a promotion, the then-current terms and conditions will apply.
Either it should be that it is about a different match or that there is a special term attached to it.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: DONTPLAYluckybit on November 23, 2020, 09:22:40 PM
have you paid attention to the title of this topic? he seems to have already counted on the prize he has yet to win, 0.05BTC were already in his pocket, but LuckyBit stole it from him. shame on it.
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LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req

Let me make something clear to you:
- Luckybit was giving away $20 for free in BTC to users.
- They had a condition that whoever wagers 10 BTC from that free $20 worth of BTC will get BTC0.05 more as an achievement and can withdraw after just doing 1x (I don't remember wager requirements for this 0.05 BTC but probably the one I mentioned).
- They have stated in their rules that they have the right to increase/reduce the prize money at any point of time, so it's probably not this user alone but may have happened to others too who simultaneously had joined this user in reaching the 10 BTC wagering requirement but are they complaining? That's why I said that it was free money and that BTC0.05 was going to come after this user (may) have met BTC10 wagering requirements fully.



--snip--

https://i.imgur.com/gyPkhmL    (Can someone repost this?  I can't as a newbie user)

I also didn't argue.  I asked questions that did not get answered.  They opted to ban me instead.

Reposted.

I have nothing to do with free $20 to users.  I did not participate in that.

What I did participate in was that if I wagered 10 Bitcoin, I would receive 0.05 BTC once finished.

I wagered 7 Bitcoin of this 10 Bitcoin and had 3 Bitcoin to go.  There were no mentioned time limits or announcements of changes to this. 

It is NOT free money.  Wagering 10 Bitcoin at a 1.76% house edge results in an average loss of .176 Bitcoin.  This is huge.  0.05 Bitcoin is a huge reduction to that loss which I have already taken on.  By taking it away, you are effectively taking my own money away that I am due back.  Again, it is NOT free money.

I am simply saying that a site should not advertise something that induces betting action only to take it away when they feel it benefits them.

Is it their right?  Given their terms, yes. 

Is it ethical?  NO.  And that's why I suggest everyone not to play there. 

They have the power to cancel or modify any term to their liking and have used that power already.  I believe that is borderline scam territory.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: yahoo62278 on November 23, 2020, 09:28:42 PM
have you paid attention to the title of this topic? he seems to have already counted on the prize he has yet to win, 0.05BTC were already in his pocket, but LuckyBit stole it from him. shame on it.
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LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req

Let me make something clear to you:
- Luckybit was giving away $20 for free in BTC to users.
- They had a condition that whoever wagers 10 BTC from that free $20 worth of BTC will get BTC0.05 more as an achievement and can withdraw after just doing 1x (I don't remember wager requirements for this 0.05 BTC but probably the one I mentioned).
- They have stated in their rules that they have the right to increase/reduce the prize money at any point of time, so it's probably not this user alone but may have happened to others too who simultaneously had joined this user in reaching the 10 BTC wagering requirement but are they complaining? That's why I said that it was free money and that BTC0.05 was going to come after this user (may) have met BTC10 wagering requirements fully.



--snip--

https://imgur.com/gyPkhmL    (Can someone repost this?  I can't as a newbie user)

I also didn't argue.  I asked questions that did not get answered.  They opted to ban me instead.

Your image reposted below:

https://i.ibb.co/JtZXcW1/gy-Pkhm-L-d.jpg
He is complaining about achievement prizes. It has nothing to do with a deposit bonus or a free bonus. The site has rewards for when players reach certain levels of wager, certain number of chats, and other things.

The achievements were lowered on November 8th. This also is not the 1st time they have been lowered. He was not actively pursuing this achievement either. He has not made a deposit since September nor a wager in a long while either.

The site is changing the free prizes they give out, I don't see his issue at all. They're not changing the deposit terms or cashout terms. He's just spewing nonsense trying to hurt the site. Not working out too well for him though.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: NotATether on November 23, 2020, 09:29:21 PM
You really should change the title, the screenshot shows you were banned from chat, while your posts and thread make it sound like your account was closed.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: examplens on November 23, 2020, 09:29:36 PM
have you paid attention to the title of this topic? he seems to have already counted on the prize he has yet to win, 0.05BTC were already in his pocket, but LuckyBit stole it from him. shame on it.
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LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req

Let me make something clear to you:
- Luckybit was giving away $20 for free in BTC to users.
- They had a condition that whoever wagers 10 BTC from that free $20 worth of BTC will get BTC0.05 more as an achievement and can withdraw after just doing 1x (I don't remember wager requirements for this 0.05 BTC but probably the one I mentioned).
- They have stated in their rules that they have the right to increase/reduce the prize money at any point of time, so it's probably not this user alone but may have happened to others too who simultaneously had joined this user in reaching the 10 BTC wagering requirement but are they complaining? That's why I said that it was free money and that BTC0.05 was going to come after this user (may) have met BTC10 wagering requirements fully.


I understand clearly whats happened here. It's funny to me that OP complains as if it was already his money although it was only a reward and he had yet to earn it. Reading subject, it could be concluded that they took his money.

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23.2.7 We reserve the right to withdraw any Promotion at any time.


I think this is quite remarkable. Are they referring to ongoing promotions or if a promotion is even running at the time they want to change it?
Doesn't it seem to me that they shouldn't adjust it for retroactive promotions?


It is strange that that is allowed. Can't imagine that's the intention. If you enter a promotion, the then-current terms and conditions will apply.
Either it should be that it is about a different match or that there is a special term attached to it.

Why not be allowed? Promotions must be ended, so I guess he is not the only one user which filled 70% or maybe 90% of necessary achievement.

I have nothing to do with free $20 to users.  I did not participate in that.
 

Do you want to say that you deposited your Bitcoin and play with your money, not with free from the website?


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: DONTPLAYluckybit on November 23, 2020, 09:37:56 PM
have you paid attention to the title of this topic? he seems to have already counted on the prize he has yet to win, 0.05BTC were already in his pocket, but LuckyBit stole it from him. shame on it.
Quote
LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req

Let me make something clear to you:
- Luckybit was giving away $20 for free in BTC to users.
- They had a condition that whoever wagers 10 BTC from that free $20 worth of BTC will get BTC0.05 more as an achievement and can withdraw after just doing 1x (I don't remember wager requirements for this 0.05 BTC but probably the one I mentioned).
- They have stated in their rules that they have the right to increase/reduce the prize money at any point of time, so it's probably not this user alone but may have happened to others too who simultaneously had joined this user in reaching the 10 BTC wagering requirement but are they complaining? That's why I said that it was free money and that BTC0.05 was going to come after this user (may) have met BTC10 wagering requirements fully.



--snip--

https://imgur.com/gyPkhmL    (Can someone repost this?  I can't as a newbie user)

I also didn't argue.  I asked questions that did not get answered.  They opted to ban me instead.

Your image reposted below:

https://i.ibb.co/JtZXcW1/gy-Pkhm-L-d.jpg
He is complaining about achievement prizes. It has nothing to do with a deposit bonus or a free bonus. The site has rewards for when players reach certain levels of wager, certain number of chats, and other things.

The achievements were lowered on November 8th. This also is not the 1st time they have been lowered. He was not actively pursuing this achievement either. He has not made a deposit since September nor a wager in a long while either.

The site is changing the free prizes they give out, I don't see his issue at all. They're not changing the deposit terms or cashout terms. He's just spewing nonsense trying to hurt the site. Not working out too well for him though.

Please answer this simply.

Do you believe that there is a cost of wagering 10 Bitcoin?

If yes, do you believe this cost to be roughly .176 Bitcoin?

If yes, do you believe that if a site offers you 0.05 Bitcoin back when you finish, that your hypothetical loss would now be .126 Bitcoin instead of .176 Bitcoin?


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: Stedsm on November 23, 2020, 09:44:59 PM
Please answer this simply.

Do you believe that there is a cost of wagering 10 Bitcoin?

If yes, do you believe this cost to be roughly .176 Bitcoin?

If yes, do you believe that if a site offers you 0.05 Bitcoin back when you finish, that your hypothetical loss would now be .126 Bitcoin instead of .176 Bitcoin?

Please answer this:

Did you deposit?
If you did, when?
When did this happen and since when have you been wagering?
How long have you been a member of luckybit and how many times did you deposit there?
Did you read the terms and conditions before even entering the site?
What if you'd have completed the wagers before the terms were updated? What would have been the problem for luckybit to pay you those 0.05 BTC when they've been in the business since more than 5+ years and none of us ever complained about them?
Did you lose BTC0.176?
Didn't you gain any profits while playing there?

And the most important question, were you banned from playing OR chatting alone? If you're just banned from chatting, why are you trying to defame them when they still allow you to play there?


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: DONTPLAYluckybit on November 23, 2020, 09:46:47 PM
have you paid attention to the title of this topic? he seems to have already counted on the prize he has yet to win, 0.05BTC were already in his pocket, but LuckyBit stole it from him. shame on it.
Quote
LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req

Let me make something clear to you:
- Luckybit was giving away $20 for free in BTC to users.
- They had a condition that whoever wagers 10 BTC from that free $20 worth of BTC will get BTC0.05 more as an achievement and can withdraw after just doing 1x (I don't remember wager requirements for this 0.05 BTC but probably the one I mentioned).
- They have stated in their rules that they have the right to increase/reduce the prize money at any point of time, so it's probably not this user alone but may have happened to others too who simultaneously had joined this user in reaching the 10 BTC wagering requirement but are they complaining? That's why I said that it was free money and that BTC0.05 was going to come after this user (may) have met BTC10 wagering requirements fully.


I understand clearly whats happened here. It's funny to me that OP complains as if it was already his money although it was only a reward and he had yet to earn it. Reading subject, it could be concluded that they took his money.

Quote
23.2.7 We reserve the right to withdraw any Promotion at any time.


I think this is quite remarkable. Are they referring to ongoing promotions or if a promotion is even running at the time they want to change it?
Doesn't it seem to me that they shouldn't adjust it for retroactive promotions?


It is strange that that is allowed. Can't imagine that's the intention. If you enter a promotion, the then-current terms and conditions will apply.
Either it should be that it is about a different match or that there is a special term attached to it.

Why not be allowed? Promotions must be ended, so I guess he is not the only one user which filled 70% or maybe 90% of necessary achievement.

I have nothing to do with free $20 to users.  I did not participate in that.
 

Do you want to say that you deposited your Bitcoin and play with your money, not with free from the website?

Yes, I deposited with my own Bitcoin and did not play 'free' from the website.  I explained this earlier.

Here are my stats:

https://imgur.com/a/zzVCNc7

-.133 Bitcoin Lost
7.07798 Bitcoin Wagered.

I am fine if promotions come to an end with a closing announcement with enough time for those affected to adjust.  The site did it without notice or warning.  Their response was 'too bad, too sad'. "We are in within our rights to change it".

This is not a professional site.  It's a borderline scam site.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: DONTPLAYluckybit on November 23, 2020, 09:56:23 PM
Please answer this simply.

Do you believe that there is a cost of wagering 10 Bitcoin?

If yes, do you believe this cost to be roughly .176 Bitcoin?

If yes, do you believe that if a site offers you 0.05 Bitcoin back when you finish, that your hypothetical loss would now be .126 Bitcoin instead of .176 Bitcoin?

Please answer this:

Did you deposit?
If you did, when?
When did this happen and since when have you been wagering?
How long have you been a member of luckybit and how many times did you deposit there?
Did you read the terms and conditions before even entering the site?
What if you'd have completed the wagers before the terms were updated? What would have been the problem for luckybit to pay you those 0.05 BTC when they've been in the business since more than 5+ years and none of us ever complained about them?
Did you lose BTC0.176?
Didn't you gain any profits while playing there?

And the most important question, were you banned from playing OR chatting alone? If you're just banned from chatting, why are you trying to defame them when they still allow you to play there?

Please answer this simply.

Do you believe that there is a cost of wagering 10 Bitcoin?

If yes, do you believe this cost to be roughly .176 Bitcoin?

If yes, do you believe that if a site offers you 0.05 Bitcoin back when you finish, that your hypothetical loss would now be .126 Bitcoin instead of .176 Bitcoin?

Please answer this:

Did you deposit?
If you did, when?
When did this happen and since when have you been wagering?
How long have you been a member of luckybit and how many times did you deposit there?
Did you read the terms and conditions before even entering the site?
What if you'd have completed the wagers before the terms were updated? What would have been the problem for luckybit to pay you those 0.05 BTC when they've been in the business since more than 5+ years and none of us ever complained about them?
Did you lose BTC0.176?
Didn't you gain any profits while playing there?

And the most important question, were you banned from playing OR chatting alone? If you're just banned from chatting, why are you trying to defame them when they still allow you to play there?

I don't mind answering questions.  The site, if it was actually transparent, should have no problems answering questions either.  Shady companies attack, misdirect, and try to instead place the blame on the customers.  Until proven otherwise, I can only believe that's what is happening here.

Did you deposit? Yes
If you did, when? Multiple times.  Most recently October 8.
When did this happen and since when have you been wagering? I just noticed this change today as I logged in to see whether or not I would play on Happy Hour
How long have you been a member of luckybit and how many times did you deposit there? Since August.  Multiple times
Did you read the terms and conditions before even entering the site? Yes
What if you'd have completed the wagers before the terms were updated? What would have been the problem for luckybit to pay you those 0.05 BTC when they've been in the business since more than 5+ years and none of us ever complained about them? This is a biased question.
 I don't understand why they won't honor their original agreement.  That's why I made the dispute.
Did you lose BTC0.176? I lost .133 Bitcoin.  I am running below EV (I should be down .1245 btc)  If I continued the last ~3 Bitcoin, I'd be down 0.18508 Bitcoin   
Didn't you gain any profits while playing there? My profit/loss on the site is -.13365 btc

I don't believe the last question to be the most important question.  There is obviously something wrong that needs to be made public and brought to people's attention.  I was banned, as evidenced in the screenshot I shared.  I thus shared it in the title.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: seoincorporation on November 23, 2020, 10:34:01 PM
Their terms of service are clear, they can change their promotions if they want and you agreed with the TOS when you created your account. So, you should know that.

If an achievement prize goes down there is nothing the users can do, because it's a Bonus prize... If you want the bonus then you have to complete the requirements, and from what I see you didn't wager the 10BTC so how can you complain about it?

But hey, isn't everything lost. You can wager the 10 BTC this weekend and get 0.1BTC back... Luckybit is offering double than those 0.05 to their users.

https://luckyb.it/blog/legendary-rakeback-weekend/

About the ban, you drop your questions and you got an answer for each one of them, after that you keep complaining and calling the site a scam site, that's why you get banned, 24h to chill and think about it. If you want to go on the weekend,  depo 10BTC and wager them you will get the 1% back. This is the chance, take it or let it go.

If you don't agree about how they solve the dispute, then read the Terms of Service section 26:

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26. Disputes
-We will try to resolve any disputes with you quickly and efficiently.
-If you are unhappy with us please contact us as soon as possible.
-If you and we cannot resolve a dispute using our complaint handling procedure, we will:
- -let you know that we cannot settle the dispute with you; and
- -give you certain information about our alternative dispute resolution provider. If you are located in Europe, you may also use the online dispute resolution (ODR) platform to resolve the dispute with us. For more details, please visit the website on the ‘Your Europe’ portal: https://ec.europa.eu/consumers/odr/main/index.cfm?event=main.home2.show&lng=EN
-If you want to commence court proceedings clause 18 below will apply.

If you want a solution then do the wager on the weekend for a bigger prize than that 0.05btc, if you just want to complain you are free to keep doing it. Good luck.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: DONTPLAYluckybit on November 23, 2020, 10:47:18 PM
Their terms of service are clear, they can change their promotions if they want and you agreed with the TOS when you created your account. So, you should know that.

If an achievement prize goes down there is nothing the users can do, because it's a Bonus prize... If you want the bonus then you have to complete the requirements, and from what I see you didn't wager the 10BTC so how can you complain about it?

But hey, isn't everything lost. You can wager the 10 BTC this weekend and get 0.1BTC back... Luckybit is offering double than those 0.05 to their users.

https://luckyb.it/blog/legendary-rakeback-weekend/

About the ban, you drop your questions and you got an answer for each one of them, after that you keep complaining and calling the site a scam site, that's why you get banned, 24h to chill and think about it. If you want to go on the weekend,  depo 10BTC and wager them you will get the 1% back. This is the chance, take it or let it go.

If you don't agree about how they solve the dispute, then read the Terms of Service section 26:

Quote
26. Disputes
-We will try to resolve any disputes with you quickly and efficiently.
-If you are unhappy with us please contact us as soon as possible.
-If you and we cannot resolve a dispute using our complaint handling procedure, we will:
- -let you know that we cannot settle the dispute with you; and
- -give you certain information about our alternative dispute resolution provider. If you are located in Europe, you may also use the online dispute resolution (ODR) platform to resolve the dispute with us. For more details, please visit the website on the ‘Your Europe’ portal: https://ec.europa.eu/consumers/odr/main/index.cfm?event=main.home2.show&lng=EN
-If you want to commence court proceedings clause 18 below will apply.

If you want a solution then do the wager on the weekend for a bigger prize than that 0.05btc, if you just want to complain you are free to keep doing it. Good luck.

I even quoted 26 to them.  They didn't answer my questions.  They banned me instead and tried to place the blame on me.  Even in this thread, they refuse to answer the questions.

Why? Because they're an unprofessional site that is borderline scamming.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: iamwithyou on November 24, 2020, 12:02:05 AM
I can see clearly whats wrong here. I wonder why so many reputable members are not able to see the wrong doing here by the LuckyBit? (perhaps they do not want to). I landed on this forum almost one week ago now I made this account specially for supporting OP.
Clearly its a classic example of borderline scam.
So basically all of their ongoing and upcoming promotions (deposit bonuses and all) have to no value because they can change or remove any bonus at their will, and justify that by saying that it is already mentioned in their terms and conditions. Is that what LuckyBit is suggesting by not sticking to original terms of the bonus which led OP to deposit there?
They can change bonus rules for upcoming users not for the existing users who are already in the process of wagering requirement since there was no deadline.
Here is what I suggest OP to do;
1. Withdraw all the balance you have and not deposit and thing in near future if they do not pay you. There are many better alternatives.
2. Open a scam accusation.
3. Claim for some compensation as this is not your fault.

I would also like to bring attention of whoever is reading this post, to a more serious and structural problem,
Many reputed members are associated with many gambling platforms as a promoter or campaign managers. In any case they will defend the gambling platform no matter what as they are earning profits and do not want to spoil any future collaborations. So do not stop fighting for your cause because initially you will face resistance from those promoters but at last if you are right you will win.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: DONTPLAYluckybit on November 24, 2020, 03:27:28 PM
have you paid attention to the title of this topic? he seems to have already counted on the prize he has yet to win, 0.05BTC were already in his pocket, but LuckyBit stole it from him. shame on it.
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LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req

Let me make something clear to you:
- Luckybit was giving away $20 for free in BTC to users.
- They had a condition that whoever wagers 10 BTC from that free $20 worth of BTC will get BTC0.05 more as an achievement and can withdraw after just doing 1x (I don't remember wager requirements for this 0.05 BTC but probably the one I mentioned).
- They have stated in their rules that they have the right to increase/reduce the prize money at any point of time, so it's probably not this user alone but may have happened to others too who simultaneously had joined this user in reaching the 10 BTC wagering requirement but are they complaining? That's why I said that it was free money and that BTC0.05 was going to come after this user (may) have met BTC10 wagering requirements fully.



--snip--

https://imgur.com/gyPkhmL    (Can someone repost this?  I can't as a newbie user)

I also didn't argue.  I asked questions that did not get answered.  They opted to ban me instead.

Your image reposted below:

https://i.ibb.co/JtZXcW1/gy-Pkhm-L-d.jpg
He is complaining about achievement prizes. It has nothing to do with a deposit bonus or a free bonus. The site has rewards for when players reach certain levels of wager, certain number of chats, and other things.

The achievements were lowered on November 8th. This also is not the 1st time they have been lowered. He was not actively pursuing this achievement either. He has not made a deposit since September nor a wager in a long while either.

The site is changing the free prizes they give out, I don't see his issue at all. They're not changing the deposit terms or cashout terms. He's just spewing nonsense trying to hurt the site. Not working out too well for him though.

Please answer this simply.

Do you believe that there is a cost of wagering 10 Bitcoin?

If yes, do you believe this cost to be roughly .176 Bitcoin?

If yes, do you believe that if a site offers you 0.05 Bitcoin back when you finish, that your hypothetical loss would now be .126 Bitcoin instead of .176 Bitcoin?

Bump.

Yahoo claimed multiple times that he welcomed a thread debate where he would answer all questions but it seems to be added to the lies that he said in his first post. 

Let's see if he'll actually answer them instead of using misdirection.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: safari88 on November 24, 2020, 03:45:25 PM
Isn't it more understandable if you try to solve and discuss this with yahoo outside of this topic? via pm e.g.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: rohang on November 24, 2020, 03:57:06 PM
I am with OP on this
Any sportsbook who wants to have a decent reputation simply can not introduce promos to encourage people to wager high amounts (10 btc which is almost 200k usd right now) and then decrease the reward amount by 90%

They are providing an incentive to people to wager on their site, and people like OP who have already wagered thousands of dollars, in some part may have never used the site if that promotion was not there

It is definitely not ethical to change the prizes for people who have already completed most of the requirement

Ofcourse, going by their terms, they can literally do anything to your money once u deposit, so i will not concede to the argument that 'Its in their terms so its okay'


If i am taking part in a promotion on a site i expect them to hold to their promised prize money, this is very shameful behaviour by luckybit

Re: Price of bitcoin - That is in general a volatile market and highs and lows are to be expected. Answer me this - if Bitcoin price had dropped to 5k usd, would lucky bit have increased their 0.05 payout ? Definitely not.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: Bttzed03 on November 24, 2020, 04:24:24 PM
I'm also with others that Luckybit hasn't taken anything from you because you haven't met the requirements. I understand your frustration though especially if you are a legit player going after the reward.

Can you address this?
  • yahoo: OP hasn't made any deposit since September
  • OP: My latest deposit is Oct. 8
^ It might be nice if you could show proof of your recent deposit.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: wxa7115 on November 24, 2020, 05:35:31 PM
I viewed many of Luckybit's advertisements before playing.

One was wager 10 BTC and receive 0.05 BTC.  This influenced my decision to play there.

I know that the house edge is 1.76%.  My probable loss would be 0.176 Bitcoin after wagering 10 BTC.

I wagered 7 Bitcoin with 3 Bitcoin left to go.

LuckyBit then reduced the 0.05 BTC to 0.005 BTC without warning or notification and then claimed it was well within their rights to take it as it was "free money".

I argued that playing towards a requirement costs money with a 1.76% house edge.

I tried to bring this dispute up and instead of answering all my questions, I was banned.  

They claim that they can change whatever they want at any time.  This includes depositing and cashout requirements.  

I ask the community their thoughts and opinions on the matter and believe that this may warrant a scam accusation or at least a red warning to others.
A very common tactic that some casinos use is that in their terms of service they always add a rule that say that they can change the rules at any time, however I really think that when it comes to promotions like the ones you are speaking of players that got into the casino when the offer was in place should see that promotion be respected and only new players should see this promotion to be reduced.

At the same time unless the casino stole your money or at least is not allowing you to withdraw it then I do not think this warrants a scam accusation or anything like it, however it should be brought to light so people decide by themselves whether they want to play in this casino.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: rohang on November 24, 2020, 05:41:34 PM
I viewed many of Luckybit's advertisements before playing.

One was wager 10 BTC and receive 0.05 BTC.  This influenced my decision to play there.

I know that the house edge is 1.76%.  My probable loss would be 0.176 Bitcoin after wagering 10 BTC.

I wagered 7 Bitcoin with 3 Bitcoin left to go.

LuckyBit then reduced the 0.05 BTC to 0.005 BTC without warning or notification and then claimed it was well within their rights to take it as it was "free money".

I argued that playing towards a requirement costs money with a 1.76% house edge.

I tried to bring this dispute up and instead of answering all my questions, I was banned.  

They claim that they can change whatever they want at any time.  This includes depositing and cashout requirements.  

I ask the community their thoughts and opinions on the matter and believe that this may warrant a scam accusation or at least a red warning to others.
A very common tactic that some casinos use is that in their terms of service they always add a rule that say that they can change the rules at any time, however I really think that when it comes to promotions like the ones you are speaking of players that got into the casino when the offer was in place should see that promotion be respected and only new players should see this promotion to be reduced.


i agree with this 100%
unless these type of 'promotions' have an expiry date- you can not just reduce the prizes by such a significant amount and expect the player to be okay


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: lebregone on November 25, 2020, 02:11:56 PM
It is a little bit harsh that they banned you because you insist in reclaiming your free money that they reduce without your consent. This is the problem to most of the casinos as we don't have the power to oppose them as they have the authority because of the TOS that they want us to approved even if we don't want to and what is worst, other gamblers didn't take their time in reading the TOS before proceeding in using the platform.

Even if they have the terms that they can withdraw promotion at any time, they should not do it to the account that they have provided already as it  will affect the users of their platform if this scenario will continue to happen. It is about your reputation and giving what a user deserves to get will boost your reputation but if the opposite will be done then the users will surely to give you a negative feedback that can affect your years of reputation.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: BTCappu on November 25, 2020, 05:01:08 PM
Yes, I deposited with my own Bitcoin and did not play 'free' from the website.  I explained this earlier.
Well, Yahoo clearly said you did NOT deposit any money since September so if you are saying he lied please give deposit transaction ID.

-.133 Bitcoin Lost
7.07798 Bitcoin Wagered.
The lost amount does not indicate if the money was deposited or gained from bonuses so again the point remains the same, either provide proofs or you might not be taken seriously if even you are right.

I have played at luckybit and honestly never had any issues, in case you wonder I am vouching for them? No I am not even saying I recommend but I am just sharing my experience because I had my withdrawal sent and I even got some small rewards from chatbot by answering simple questions.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: jostorres on November 26, 2020, 07:06:46 AM
Many reputed members are associated with many gambling platforms as a promoter or campaign managers. In any case they will defend the gambling platform no matter what as they are earning profits and do not want to spoil any future collaborations. So do not stop fighting for your cause because initially you will face resistance from those promoters but at last if you are right you will win.
A part of this is true but if you are trying to accuse Yahoo62278 for such then I can seriously tell you that you are wrong here because yes he is there in chat at luckyb.it and answers others and works for them but that does not mean he will take their side or be biased. I have seen this guy since years on the forum and his judgement is not biased, at least I can assure of of that.

By the way making new accounts will not help. You tried to wager and get the achievement bonus and they changed it which is unfortunate I can understand and agree but it can't be classified as cheating. Still if you think they cheated you are free to open a scam accusation with proper details, in the scam accusations section (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0), but if you are only going to give the reason that they changed achievement prize then you don't have a strong enough case in my opinion.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: FatFork on November 26, 2020, 09:39:35 AM
It's hard to be impartial in cases like this when I'm generally sympathetic to players who lose their money. Having said that, I think it's obvious to all of us that all gambling sites are built to make a profit for their operators. There will always be clauses in terms of service that are in the interests of the owner and not of the player. It's a fact that we have to accept if we want to be part of the games. The only freedom an user has is freedom of choice. We can choose whether to participate in such games or not.



Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: sujonali1819 on November 26, 2020, 11:27:58 AM
For this reason, always we should read the terms again and again. especially before joining any promotions on a gambling site. But it is too real that we always don't care about the terms. I can not say actually who is guilty because both of them have good logic in this case.

Site: They are saying they still belong on the terms
user: Why they changed it in the middle of promoions.

It's really unfortunate.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: Gozie51 on November 26, 2020, 12:53:21 PM
It's hard to be impartial in cases like this when I'm generally sympathetic to players who lose their money. Having said that, I think it's obvious to all of us that all gambling sites are built to make a profit for their operators. There will always be clauses in terms of service that are in the interests of the owner and not of the player. It's a fact that we have to accept if we want to be part of the games. The only freedom an user has is freedom of choice. We can choose whether to participate in such games or not.


In many cases, there is hardly time that the gambling rule will favour the player. It is a contract that the player need to understudy very well before going for the game. Most gamblers don't look at the rules but make calculation of gain when they win and that becomes the only focus, not even losing is considered.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: mardaed on November 26, 2020, 01:20:36 PM
It's hard to be impartial in cases like this when I'm generally sympathetic to players who lose their money. Having said that, I think it's obvious to all of us that all gambling sites are built to make a profit for their operators. There will always be clauses in terms of service that are in the interests of the owner and not of the player. It's a fact that we have to accept if we want to be part of the games. The only freedom an user has is freedom of choice. We can choose whether to participate in such games or not.


In many cases, there is hardly time that the gambling rule will favour the player. It is a contract that the player need to understudy very well before going for the game. Most gamblers don't look at the rules but make calculation of gain when they win and that becomes the only focus, not even losing is considered.

I really agree with that every players should really read the ToS of a certain casino they're playing. I feel bad to the player looks like the Luckybit have a new issue on their website I hope they could resolve it as soon as possible.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: Bitinity on November 26, 2020, 01:34:45 PM
I'm also with others that Luckybit hasn't taken anything from you because you haven't met the requirements. I understand your frustration though especially if you are a legit player going after the reward.

Can you address this?
  • yahoo: OP hasn't made any deposit since September
  • OP: My latest deposit is Oct. 8
^ It might be nice if you could show proof of your recent deposit.

Yes it is confusing which one is correct, player claims to have deposit on October but yahoo said that this players has not made any deposit since Sept. What is interesting to know more about this case is that, when this player wagered the 7btc? Did he wager that amount before September then he remember that he could get 0.05btc by wagering 3btc more lately but he is surprised to see that the reward is reduced when he decided to continue wagering in order to get the reward?


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: LuckyBitSupport on November 26, 2020, 05:28:12 PM
I think some of you may be confused about what is happening here. We didn't change a promotion in the middle or anything. We just reduced the amount of free money users could earn from achievements.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: newunit16 on November 26, 2020, 05:33:13 PM
I think some of you may be confused about what is happening here. We didn't change a promotion in the middle or anything. We just reduced the amount of free money users could earn from achievements.

It's deceitful to offer that and then remove it at a later date, I've never heard of a casino reducing the achievement payout/player rakeback of any sort ever. I've been playing on Luckybit for awhile now, I won't make any more deposits. Terms & conditions has nothing to do with trust, which is more of a perception, and I cannot trust a casino that makes "fair" decisions only off their T&C and not common sense, even if other casinos do the same.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: iamwithyou on November 26, 2020, 05:36:24 PM
I think some of you may be confused about what is happening here. We didn't change a promotion in the middle or anything. We just reduced the amount of free money users could earn from achievements.

What you think we are fool ? Now you are defending yourself like a shameless scamster. Reducing promotion by 90% is not changing ? Yeah its cheating to be exact.
And why the hell you are calling it as free money? just to disguise you shameless scam? It is a promotion in which one has to wager 10 btc with probably highest house edge casino, and then perhaps you can have above mentioned promotion prize.
You changed the prize which has no deadline just because you are shameless scammer.
I personally will not ever deposit in your site.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: examplens on November 28, 2020, 11:35:39 PM
It's deceitful to offer that and then remove it at a later date, I've never heard of a casino reducing the achievement payout/player rakeback of any sort ever. I've been playing on Luckybit for awhile now, I won't make any more deposits. Terms & conditions has nothing to do with trust, which is more of a perception, and I cannot trust a casino that makes "fair" decisions only off their T&C and not common sense, even if other casinos do the same.

What you think we are fool ? Now you are defending yourself like a shameless scamster. Reducing promotion by 90% is not changing ? Yeah its cheating to be exact.
And why the hell you are calling it as free money? just to disguise you shameless scam? It is a promotion in which one has to wager 10 btc with probably highest house edge casino, and then perhaps you can have above mentioned promotion prize.
You changed the prize which has no deadline just because you are shameless scammer.
I personally will not ever deposit in your site.

Blah blah...
This is very interesting to me, suddenly sprouted a bunch of disgruntled LuckyBit players. Using an identical way of attacking this casino.
can you two write here how much money you deposited on your LuckyBit accounts? Some screnšot as evidence would be useful.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: iamwithyou on November 29, 2020, 12:55:51 AM
It's deceitful to offer that and then remove it at a later date, I've never heard of a casino reducing the achievement payout/player rakeback of any sort ever. I've been playing on Luckybit for awhile now, I won't make any more deposits. Terms & conditions has nothing to do with trust, which is more of a perception, and I cannot trust a casino that makes "fair" decisions only off their T&C and not common sense, even if other casinos do the same.

What you think we are fool ? Now you are defending yourself like a shameless scamster. Reducing promotion by 90% is not changing ? Yeah its cheating to be exact.
And why the hell you are calling it as free money? just to disguise you shameless scam? It is a promotion in which one has to wager 10 btc with probably highest house edge casino, and then perhaps you can have above mentioned promotion prize.
You changed the prize which has no deadline just because you are shameless scammer.
I personally will not ever deposit in your site.

Blah blah...
This is very interesting to me, suddenly sprouted a bunch of disgruntled LuckyBit players. Using an identical way of attacking this casino.
can you two write here how much money you deposited on your LuckyBit accounts? Some screnšot as evidence would be useful.

I never deposit a single dime there and neither I will in future after hearing about this scam. Are you suggesting that only depositors can comment on this thread ? I think any forum members who identify himself/herself as responsible member of this wonderful community should help each other to teach a lesson to borderline scamsters like Luckybit.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: Kupid002 on November 29, 2020, 07:19:54 AM


I never deposit a single dime there and neither I will in future after hearing about this scam. Are you suggesting that only depositors can comment on this thread ? I think any forum members who identify himself/herself as responsible member of this wonderful community should help each other to teach a lesson to borderline scamsters like Luckybit.


It's ok to give your  opinion and your free to do so, what is not ok is to give accusations to well known casino websites especially if you haven't played there. you are attacking the reputation of a casino ,You are attacking a casino for no reason and only base of other members experience not yours . What if this thread  is just a false accusations?


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: toast on November 29, 2020, 12:54:55 PM
They claim that they can change whatever they want at any time.  This includes depositing and cashout requirements. 
i was really concerned about this statement of theirs. is this really true well for me i don't find it really appealing i know that they do have the rights to change the requirement, etc. but i don't think they will change it anytime they just wanted to i think changing it from time to time is not really a good idea.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: iamwithyou on November 29, 2020, 04:11:59 PM


I never deposit a single dime there and neither I will in future after hearing about this scam. Are you suggesting that only depositors can comment on this thread ? I think any forum members who identify himself/herself as responsible member of this wonderful community should help each other to teach a lesson to borderline scamsters like Luckybit.


It's ok to give your  opinion and your free to do so, what is not ok is to give accusations to well known casino websites especially if you haven't played there. you are attacking the reputation of a casino ,You are attacking a casino for no reason and only base of other members experience not yours . What if this thread  is just a false accusations?

What if this thread is genuine ? Really you think that I am accusing them for no reason? If this thread is totally bogus they would have come here and destroy them with proof but instead they are sending their sock puppets to defend shameless scam. I am with OP (if every thing OP said is true) in this matter.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: delfastTions on November 29, 2020, 04:42:24 PM
I think some of you may be confused about what is happening here. We didn't change a promotion in the middle or anything. We just reduced the amount of free money users could earn from achievements.
So after all, this is what you are accused of and the OP and others here in BTT.  If it is true that the reduction without personal warning is 90%, then this is at least incorrect in relation to the user.  I, too, would be wary of partners who might do this. 
This is the meaning of the accusations, as I understand it.  And of course this is not any free money, but these are legally earned bonuses.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: worldofcoins on November 30, 2020, 08:14:14 AM
It's quite unfortunate, They should've answered you instead of right away banning you.
Did they asked for account verification documents or tried to get you into some type of timewasting loop?

If you've read their TOS and the situation is in your favor then you can open an accusation thread with more info.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: BitcoinAccepted on November 30, 2020, 08:53:25 AM
I also think you just shouldn't change the rules and amounts. Whether it may or not, I think it is not correct with an ongoing promotion.

When a promotion has ended, you have every right to change it.

Solve it differently with this customer and then change the conditions and also clear so that no problems can arise about this.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: Ucy on November 30, 2020, 12:52:07 PM
Did you check the site Terms and Conditions to know whether it's stated that the "free money" can be changed whenever they want (without warning/notification)? I think that will determine if what they did was legal, but I don't think it's moral, assuming their intention is to do that and justify it with their Terms of service when customers complain.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: stomachgrowls on November 30, 2020, 10:23:38 PM
Have this one been resolved out? OP last online logged in a week ago.So i presume that the had been sorted out already yet there are not response had been made or just simply this is an another
troll trying to ruin other websites reputation?

It is just unethical for a site to changed up their terms when somebody had able to achieve or reached that certain threshold or completely able to comply with the terms for him to be
eligible for the said bonus.

Thing here is that there should be some proofs like screenshots about those conversations between OP and Luckybit itself.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: Ucy on December 01, 2020, 07:50:07 AM
Have this one been resolved out? OP last online logged in a week ago.So i presume that the had been sorted out already yet there are not response had been made or just simply this is an another
troll trying to ruin other websites reputation?
...


There has been strange appearances of people betting with or depositing huge amount of money on betting sites. It kind of surprising that people will risk that much on sites they probably don't know very well or trust. I wondered how people who earned that much money would take such hugh risk.
But we just answer their questions anyways. Hopefully they are genuine cases and not troll or tests


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: arwin100 on December 01, 2020, 10:04:04 AM
Have this one been resolved out? OP last online logged in a week ago.So i presume that the had been sorted out already yet there are not response had been made or just simply this is an another
troll trying to ruin other websites reputation?
...


There has been strange appearances of people betting with or depositing huge amount of money on betting sites. It kind of surprising that people will risk that much on sites they probably don't know very well or trust. I wondered how people who earned that much money would take such hugh risk.
But we just answer their questions anyways. Hopefully they are genuine cases and not troll or tests

If they deposit such huge amount on some betting sites for sure they know what kind of risk they might encountering upon depositing in the site and also it's not a surprise to see some people who can risk a big amount since there are huge whales who keep gambling on several sites here. Also I'm kinda skeptical with user posting like this who doesn't provide any proof just to support their claims


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: delfastTions on December 01, 2020, 10:50:01 AM
Have this one been resolved out? OP last online logged in a week ago.So i presume that the had been sorted out already yet there are not response had been made or just simply this is an another
troll trying to ruin other websites reputation?
...


There has been strange appearances of people betting with or depositing huge amount of money on betting sites. It kind of surprising that people will risk that much on sites they probably don't know very well or trust. I wondered how people who earned that much money would take such hugh risk.
But we just answer their questions anyways. Hopefully they are genuine cases and not troll or tests

If they deposit such huge amount on some betting sites for sure they know what kind of risk they might encountering upon depositing in the site and also it's not a surprise to see some people who can risk a big amount since there are huge whales who keep gambling on several sites here. Also I'm kinda skeptical with user posting like this who doesn't provide any proof just to support their claims
However, OP wrote that he considered unfair what the authors of this casino did to him and they themselves admitted that they were changing the conditions without warning, that is, unilaterally, which did not provide for friendly partnership between the parties.  This is what casinos are accused of.  And this, of course, spoils the image of the entire project as a whole and thus reduces the interest of both users and the income of the casino itself.
 It's bad that there are such reviews here at BTT.

On the other hand, if the problem is solved, then it means we here at BTT helped OP, that's what our strength is!!! , :)


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: LuckyBitSupport on December 01, 2020, 03:13:21 PM
We would like to make sure everyone knows what this conversation is about. There appears to be a lot of confusion from users posting in this thread whom might not have ever logged into the site.

When you make an account on Luckyb.it you can go to your profile page and see the full list of achievements. There are prizes given for chatting, betting volume, number of bets, age of account, email confirmation, and adding 2fa.

These are what was changed. We agree, we should probably give a notice before making these changes in the future, but we did nothing wrong by lowering these achievements.

If players make an account today and btc is 20000$, they may never play 1 bet nor make any deposits. Then let's say btc rises up to 1 million dollars in 6 months. Now all the sudden a user may become interested in trying to clear some achievements. The achievement was worth $40 when btc was $20,000, but now would be worth $2000.



It would be crazy to say we do not have the right to change the achievement payouts. Leaving them would just cause a guaranteed bankruptcy. There are also other factors that came into play that made the decision come to light. When abusers are making 100s of accounts per week, we wanted to take away their reason to keep trying to abuse.


We have not and will not change the Events we run in the middle. We just changed achievements. In the future, announcements will be made ahead of time.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: milewilda on December 01, 2020, 09:58:17 PM

If players make an account today and btc is 20000$, they may never play 1 bet nor make any deposits. Then let's say btc rises up to 1 million dollars in 6 months. Now all the sudden a user may become interested in trying to clear some achievements. The achievement was worth $40 when btc was $20,000, but now would be worth $2000.


It was just a right thing to be done as an owner where making up some changes on the achievement and its prizes because that will surely be a reason for you to get bankrupt if you didnt do such thing.
For those who dont able to realize on how business works then they do most likely be tactful and saying about unethical on sudden changes but those should really be anticipated.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: Bitinity on December 01, 2020, 11:46:55 PM

If players make an account today and btc is 20000$, they may never play 1 bet nor make any deposits. Then let's say btc rises up to 1 million dollars in 6 months. Now all the sudden a user may become interested in trying to clear some achievements. The achievement was worth $40 when btc was $20,000, but now would be worth $2000.

Imho the best thing to do is that you use $ instead of btc for this kind of promotion so you anything happen to the bitcoin price, it wont force you to make a sudden change on the value of your promotion. If previously you offered 0.05btc for players who wager 10btc, then you can change it to $50 for  players who wager $10,000 (just example). It will give you fixed amount and wont be affected by the volatility of bitcoin. Just my two cents.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: sempak on December 01, 2020, 11:50:15 PM
I think it's good that the Op has responded, now there is communication between the player in question.
For me it is difficult to give a clear judgment about the situation, but normally the op and the player should be able to resolve it mutually.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: Yogee on December 02, 2020, 04:50:42 AM
We would like to make sure everyone knows what this conversation is about. There appears to be a lot of confusion from users posting in this thread whom might not have ever logged into the site.
It's more likely that they never read the entire thread before posting.

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These are what was changed. We agree, we should probably give a notice before making these changes in the future, but we did nothing wrong by lowering these achievements.
Nothing wrong if we're going to use your Terms and Condition as the reference but you still have to consider that the player was also mislead by your previous promotion. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he really made a deposit in October.

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If players make an account today and btc is 20000$, they may never play 1 bet nor make any deposits. Then let's say btc rises up to 1 million dollars in 6 months. Now all the sudden a user may become interested in trying to clear some achievements. The achievement was worth $40 when btc was $20,000, but now would be worth $2000.

It would be crazy to say we do not have the right to change the achievement payouts. Leaving them would just cause a guaranteed bankruptcy.
Bitinity suggestion sounds good for this.

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There are also other factors that came into play that made the decision come to light. When abusers are making 100s of accounts per week, we wanted to take away their reason to keep trying to abuse.
Did you arrive at a conclusion that the player accusing you is also an abuser? Is he the only player affected by the sudden change in reward?

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We have not and will not change the Events we run in the middle. We just changed achievements.
Don't make it appear small with the "just". That change was still significant to affect someone's decision to play in your casino.

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In the future, announcements will be made ahead of time.
+100


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: Ucy on December 02, 2020, 08:41:42 AM
Have this one been resolved out? OP last online logged in a week ago.So i presume that the had been sorted out already yet there are not response had been made or just simply this is an another
troll trying to ruin other websites reputation?
...


There has been strange appearances of people betting with or depositing huge amount of money on betting sites. It kind of surprising that people will risk that much on sites they probably don't know very well or trust. I wondered how people who earned that much money would take such hugh risk.
But we just answer their questions anyways. Hopefully they are genuine cases and not troll or tests

If they deposit such huge amount on some betting sites for sure they know what kind of risk they might encountering upon depositing in the site and also it's not a surprise to see some people who can risk a big amount since there are huge whales who keep gambling on several sites here. Also I'm kinda skeptical with user posting like this who doesn't provide any proof just to support their claims

Ofcourse. It depends on how well the bettor knows the site though. I assume that wise whales would bet huge amount on site they trust and are familiar with. The Trust minimizes the risk for them. If the site Op is accusing is trusted, then Op need to be really sure of what he is accusing it/them of


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: Pamadar on December 03, 2020, 01:47:27 AM

If they deposit such huge amount on some betting sites for sure they know what kind of risk they might encountering upon depositing in the site and also it's not a surprise to see some people who can risk a big amount since there are huge whales who keep gambling on several sites here. Also I'm kinda skeptical with user posting like this who doesn't provide any proof just to support their claims

Ofcourse. It depends on how well the bettor knows the site though. I assume that wise whales would bet huge amount on site they trust and are familiar with. The Trust minimizes the risk for them. If the site Op is accusing is trusted, then Op need to be really sure of what he is accusing it/them of


This people have deeper understanding than ordinary gamblers.

They won't entrust their money  to sites that they are not familiar or not comfortable, knowing the amount of money that they
can possibly risk, else, they are after with some promotions and they are trying to check if the site is new. They are sparing money
to try the service.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: ReiMomo on December 03, 2020, 05:58:16 AM
Term of service is the jurisdiction that everyone should be following inside the casino or in any gambling website, though most of the time it is being used and sometimes being abused. Since it is indicated on the terms that they can make changes on it at any time without prior notification to the players IMO they are on the right side.

However, as a gambling site or a business who needs customers to be profitable they might just somehow do efforts in notifying their players of any changes, in that case, they could avoid scenarios like this which could even lessen them not only a single player but could possibly multiply it if most would stand on the side of the complainant.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: nutildah on December 08, 2020, 03:48:45 AM
I also think you just shouldn't change the rules and amounts. Whether it may or not, I think it is not correct with an ongoing promotion.

When a promotion has ended, you have every right to change it.

Solve it differently with this customer and then change the conditions and also clear so that no problems can arise about this.

Hello, I'm just curious: why are you still wearing the wolf.bet signature as the campaign ended in October? Why bother to keep the signature of a dead campaign?

Its very similar to aomakun (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=897809), who returned to the forum a month after you did to comment on the same or similar threads, who is also still wearing a sig for a bounty that ended in September.


Title: Re: LuckyBit took away my 0.05 BTC after wagering 70% req & banned me after
Post by: delfastTions on December 08, 2020, 06:43:55 AM
Term of service is the jurisdiction that everyone should be following inside the casino or in any gambling website, though most of the time it is being used and sometimes being abused. Since it is indicated on the terms that they can make changes on it at any time without prior notification to the players IMO they are on the right side.

However, as a gambling site or a business who needs customers to be profitable they might just somehow do efforts in notifying their players of any changes, in that case, they could avoid scenarios like this which could even lessen them not only a single player but could possibly multiply it if most would stand on the side of the complainant.
This is correct.  
Actually, I'm surprised that this topic continues so actively???
 It seems that we have already discussed that devs acted incorrectly with their "free money".  And the user was naturally offended.  Of course, to end the topic, devs would have to admit that they were wrong and apologize to the players.  And do not repeat this mistake further.  
That's all that should have been done, and not continue the correspondence in this topic.