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Title: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: DireWolfM14 on November 29, 2020, 05:35:45 PM What happened::
On October 5th, 2019 I funded a loan to member asu for 0.3BTC (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132594.msg52665839#msg52665839). Originally, the loan was to be repaired in six payments, and closed out in April 2020. Asu made the first payment on time, in November of 2019 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132594.msg52989459#msg52989459). In December of 2019 asu requested a an extension for his December payment. I extended all open loans for one month (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132594.msg53285295#msg53285295), while giving my clients a month of free interest, including asu. No payment was made by asu in December of 2019. In January of 2020 asu made a payment, but could not make the full payment due. He informed me that he would only be paying the interest due, but informed me that he would be back on schedule in February. That was the last payment I received from asu. In late February I gave asu an extension, and recalculated his loan with a reduced interest rate (retroactive, giving credit for interest already payed.) In March I received another excuse, and no payment. In April of 2020 I revised my lending policy due to the pandemic, and gave all my clients an open due date, but asked that they remain in communication with me. I received no messages from asu between March 20, 2020 and July 22, 2020. In July I sent him a message, to which he didn't respond. The message was to ask about a promise to pay; at one point during our earlier discussions he claimed he would pay the loan in full in August. I wrote to inform him that I expected him to comply. After prodding him, he did respond, claiming he'll be able to pay 20-50% of the loan in August. Not only did he not pay, but in late August the asu account stopped logging in, and removed his signature and his avatar. I was convinced that he was exiting the forum without paying me back. On October 8th, 2020, over a year after he took this loan, asu sent me this pm: Hello DireWolfM14, Can I ask for a bitcoin address to send some of my payment? I’m really sorry for the delay as I’ve been working hard to pay all my debts. Please give me more time. I’m really really sorry. Best Regards, Asu Again he promised to start making payments, committing to making a payment the first week of November. Still nothing. As it stands asu has not logged into the forum since November 4th. Again I'm convinced that he has no intention of paying me back, and is only jerking me around to avoid being red-tagged and flagged. Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=519783 Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132594.msg52665696#msg52665696 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132594.msg52665839#msg52665839 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132594.msg52989459#msg52989459 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132594.msg53534483#msg53534483 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132594.msg54153189#msg54153189 Amount Scammed: 0.2625BTC Proof of Payment: TxId: 1f208fbb5d9da2f02d4fd787986f7e4a1d7726fdcbee5a3c51e44a2cedd84a82 (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/1f208fbb5d9da2f02d4fd787986f7e4a1d7726fdcbee5a3c51e44a2cedd84a82) Scammer Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2497 Investigation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5294755.msg55712965#msg55712965 Additional Notes: Per this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132594.msg54153189#msg54153189) in April, I established the below address for asu's repayment. 33hxmTpJRbiqp18kuGhSPwbXxAnRuZexMB (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/33hxmTpJRbiqp18kuGhSPwbXxAnRuZexMB) Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: AB de Royse777 on November 29, 2020, 05:46:19 PM This is really hard on you bud! Sorry to hear that and I hope asu come back and repay his debt.
I know him as a good, promising forum member but knowing this hurts. Just hoping that he is in serious trouble and not able to repay the debt even if he had good intention. I am handling a very similar case. One of my client is promising constantly but every time when the deadline comes or nearly hitting he comes up with another excuse. I am still giving him time. I will leave a negative on asu but if he comes back and show some promise of repaying the debt then I will remove it to give him another chance. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: Bitcoinsummoner on November 29, 2020, 05:46:30 PM It is 6k dollar now, so any legit member may turned into scamming. So, giving too much money specially for long term is too much risky.I think you have made another big loss. If you calculate all of your profit then it is still loss for these 2 losses. Please think twice before accepting any big loan request. Because anything may happen, the person may die, may affect on dangerous disease, might be greedy and many more thing. So,giving too large amount and for long term cant be wise decision. Please try to give loan maximum for 1 month to minimize loss/maximize profit.
Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: FatFork on November 29, 2020, 06:19:39 PM I'm supporting the flag.
It's just sad to see reputable forum members go down like this. I'm sorry for your loss, DireWolfM14. I hope he comes back again and fixes this. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: JeromeTash on November 29, 2020, 06:56:12 PM This is really sad :( So sorry for that loss @DireWolfM14. Reading through the whole experience has made me conclude that you have really been good and patient to Asu. The best thing he should have done was to return the favour. I do hope the unpaid loan doesn't affect your business so much. Tagging and supporting the flag
Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: suchmoon on November 29, 2020, 08:45:13 PM Don't forget "~". I don't think scammers should be in DT1.
Which goes to show that none of the forum trinkets like "Legendary" or "DT" mean anything when you give someone a life-changing amount of money. Sad. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: morvillz7z on November 30, 2020, 12:23:48 AM Supported the flag, gave him negative feedback and added him to my distrust list, the least (and only thing) i can do, sorry for your loss, this sucks!
theyoungmillionaire defaulted on BTC0.3 loan which was taken around the same time asu took those 0.3, both guys are from the Philippines, hmmm. From bpip, it seems that asu's favorite profile to send merit to was theyoungmillionaire (almost twice as much as the next guy), i'm not trying to imply anything or connect these two but it does feel strange. Hope people can help you with your investigation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5294755). Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: owlcatz on November 30, 2020, 01:49:16 AM Don't forget "~". I don't think scammers should be in DT1. Which goes to show that none of the forum trinkets like "Legendary" or "DT" mean anything when you give someone a life-changing amount of money. Sad. Agreed, and forgot to thank you for the BRILLIANT BPIP chrome plugin. Love how I can add or remove a user from trust list in just 2 clicks. 8) Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: TGD on November 30, 2020, 02:02:08 AM I don't know the real story of Asu but some area in the Philippines still not recovering from the Typhoon Ulysses happened during first week of November. Region like Cagayan and some part of Rizal is completely submerged during and after the Typhoon that result to many homeless family. Just saying.
You can start finding the user that previously deal with Asu on our local lending thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5142115.0;topicseen Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: suchmoon on November 30, 2020, 02:10:29 AM I don't know the real story of Asu but some area in the Philippines still not recovering from the Typhoon Ulysses happened during first week of November. Region like Cagayan and some part of Rizal is completely submerged during and after the Typhoon that result to many homeless family. Just saying. This has been going on for nearly a year so while the typhoon might have caused the most recent lack of communication, it's clearly not the reason for the failure to repay the loan. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: cabalism13 on November 30, 2020, 02:25:11 AM I don't know the real story of Asu but some area in the Philippines still not recovering from the Typhoon Ulysses happened during first week of November. Region like Cagayan and some part of Rizal is completely submerged during and after the Typhoon that result to many homeless family. Just saying. This has been going on for nearly a year so while the typhoon might have caused the most recent lack of communication, it's clearly not the reason for the failure to repay the loan. Typhoon Ulysses is the most recent tragedy in the Philippines, asu's loan has been filed on 2019, as suchmoon said it's already been a year now, during that time BTC is not yet big in value and can be somewhat repaid if he just continue on his campaigns, also recently this past months a lot of campaigns has been opened by Hhampuz, he could easily join them if he wants to. didn't know it would turn out to be like this, sorry for your big loss @DireWolfM14. Even our last transaction was on Nov 1, 2019 Tru Gcash,... (and has a name of a girl, I think the account is also not from him) ~asu Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: btc_angela on November 30, 2020, 02:37:44 AM He has been accepted in Bestchange campaign March 04,2020, Week 8 up to August Week 26.
But instead he didn't pay and even not communicate with @DireWolfM14 at the said timeframe. We are happy to announce a new participant, a Legendary Member, asu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=519783), has joined our Signature campaign. Got accepted in Duelbits, but then removed for not reaching the posts quota and pure quality posts. And probably thinking of exit scam here. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: meanwords on November 30, 2020, 03:20:57 AM I'm sorry for your loss man. I'm sure someone will get this guys since his wallet is exposed and I'm sure someone had at least some transactions with him. I just don't get why would he do this. He could have made more doing signature or bounty campaigns rather than compromising his account for this loan.
Anyways, try going here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5142115.msg51747333;topicseen#msg51747333 3ByTmVLLd6hrjtT6trwG9C1aziEmbTkZAH (coins.ph) is his wallet. Coins.ph is a custodial wallet so you have a good chance to know his identity. it seems that finaleshot2016 had a transaction with him. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5142115.msg51774328#msg51774328 I'm supporting the flag. It's just sad to see reputable forum members go down like this. I'm sorry for your loss, DireWolfM14. I hope he comes back again and fixes this. I doubt that he will return now though since his reputation is basically ruined. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: nutildah on November 30, 2020, 03:27:16 AM That sucks bro, sorry to hear that happened. Maybe there's a chance he'll still find a way to repay you, as its of course the right thing to do. Looking at the address he uses for sig campaigns its a Coins.ph address and its been seeing some transactions recently, so it would appear he's avoiding you.
Edit: like the guy above says, its a Coins.ph address, and he sent coins directly there from his 1Asu address, so there's a chance they can help you out... Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: mk4 on November 30, 2020, 03:34:55 AM The reputation of the Philippine community is slowly but surely sinking huh?
Anyway, that sucks dood. Not to mention that the recent price rise ended up just being rubbing salt to the wound. Hopefully the lost amount doesn't amount to a significant amount of your total bitcoin holdings. With that said, with asu being a Bitcointalk member since 2015, quite amateurish of him/her to be publicizing a custodial wallet's address then ends up scam quitting in the end. Hope you get justice, OP. Gave him/her a neg. Archived:
Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: mdayonliner on November 30, 2020, 06:09:27 AM theyoungmillionaire defaulted on BTC0.3 loan theyoungmillionaire defaulted a loan! I can not believe my eyes. He was one of the most promising user on the forum back then. I can recall back then him and me had good number of thought exchanges and I found him an amazing guy. It's really surprising how people change overtime. And walking away with someone's money is the worse.Just had a quick look on the profile asu and I can not remember I had any communication with him before but looking at his profile it seems he was able to maintain a good reputation and behind this building up good reputation if the goal is to scam someone and this is only for 0.3 BTC then this very sad. DireWolfM14, I am sorry for your loss. The loan business is a risky business especially when you are lending someone more than 0.1 BTC. I still have over 0.5 BTC from some of the users on this forum. They scammed me in several occasions. These people takes advantage of your kind heart, good intention. At some point I even stopped my lending service. The most harm was done by so called reputed members on the forum. They slowly build up a good reputation and wait for the right time to scam you. Sad. P.S. Can someone help me to find out a good topic about flag? It was not there before. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: Timelord2067 on November 30, 2020, 06:50:55 AM OP, ( @DireWolfM14 ) do you have loans with either Asuspawer09 or plvbob0070 at the moment? Or, cabalism13 for that matter...
Flag against ASU supported and Code: ~ASU as well as (dis)trust feedback on their page. Regards, Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: Bttzed03 on November 30, 2020, 09:37:06 AM He/She managed to pay another past due loan to @harizen when he/she came back and joined the Duelbits campaign. There were other instances of delays but he still paid. Although the loans he/she took in our local lending isn't as huge as what's owed to you, I'm more inclined to believe that @asu is really in a tight spot but he/she still has the intention of paying you back.
Anyway, here is the list of all loans. FULLY SETTLED/PAID LOANS
Used addresses: Code: 1McxEqfUwGNXzLRhewqG96aqr5HzEYFknJ Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: qwertyup23 on November 30, 2020, 09:44:55 AM I am very sorry for your loss, Direwolf.
It baffles me that there are members of the forum who are well-reputed and trusted but they still manage to default a loan. To be honest, they destroyed their privilege of earning in the forum (e.g. campaign signatures). Their goal is too short-sighted and they are blinded by the fact of taking advantage of someone due to their trust feedback. It contributes to the fact that anyone can be scammer regardless of their trust history and feedback. Once again, I am very sorry for your loss. The reputation of the Philippine community is slowly but surely sinking huh? It really sucks man. These types of scammers significantly contributes to the stigma in our community but I do hope that this will not take a toll on trusted members of the Philippine community. Hopefully, there is a way to at least mitigate such damage to our board. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: TGD on November 30, 2020, 10:28:56 AM I don't know the real story of Asu but some area in the Philippines still not recovering from the Typhoon Ulysses happened during first week of November. Region like Cagayan and some part of Rizal is completely submerged during and after the Typhoon that result to many homeless family. Just saying. This has been going on for nearly a year so while the typhoon might have caused the most recent lack of communication, it's clearly not the reason for the failure to repay the loan. Agreed on this, But he recently paid his loan in the local lending section before typhoon hits so if he really wants to runaway, he will not pay that loan and just walk away. I'm just giving him some consideration since many Filipino still not recovered on multiple typhoon damage. I can help the OP to contact coins.ph since there office is near to my workplace. I will try to walk-in there and inquire about this case. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: AB de Royse777 on November 30, 2020, 10:35:47 AM I can help the OP to contact coins.ph since there office is near to my workplace. I will try to walk-in there and inquire about this case. I do not think only walking into the office and asking for someone's details will work unless you have any paper from the law enforcement agency. Since you are near to their office then I would suggest you and DireWolfM14 to have a chat. File a case in the local police station and ask a paper to go to the coins.ph so that you can present this paper to them to get information from them and then file a solid case using the details you get from coins.ph And yes, still I would like to give some benefit to asu. What if he is not in his best health shape and is unable to communicate. Few days ago one of my family member died, his lungs were 71% damaged for post COVID-19 pneumonia. In very short time we lost him. From 18th to 24th, only 5 days he was able to survive. I was not in very good condition even to login to the forum (feel free to check my post history). What I am trying to say is - maybe he is in a condition where he has no facility to communicate. Now since this is public - let him give some time. Give him enough time which will be enough for someone to notice the post to see what's going on and have much time to find a way to communicate too. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: hilariousetc on November 30, 2020, 10:38:21 AM He/She managed to pay another past due loan to @harizen when he/she came back and joined the Duelbits campaign. There were other instances of delays but he still paid. Although the loans he/she took in our local lending isn't as huge as what's owed to you, I'm more inclined to believe that @asu is really in a tight spot but he/she still has the intention of paying you back. Lending people money in bitcoin can turn honest people into dishonest ones pretty quickly. They might have every intention of paying it back but if they're unable to or the price rises significantly then it's all too easy to just disappear as there's probably little to no real world ramifications and the only damage done to them is a ruined account. That's what it looks like has happened here as he popped back to make repayments when he could have just disappeared but if he's under financial difficulty in real life then its going to be very difficult to make repayments back and would be far easier to just go awol. Lending people money here is incredibly risky and doesn't really seem worth it in my opinion because all it takes is one person to run off with a decent chunk and your business will probably be in the red overall. You have to remember this question: why are they lending it in the first place? It's either because obviously they don't have sufficient money, which is already a red flag, or they're just borrowing to pay it back and build feedback up. Some will do this for legitimate reasons and others will do it for the long con Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: TGD on November 30, 2020, 10:47:22 AM I can help the OP to contact coins.ph since there office is near to my workplace. I will try to walk-in there and inquire about this case. I do not think only walking into the office and asking for someone's details will not work unless you have any paper from the law enforcement agency. Since you are near to their office then I would suggest you and DireWolfM14 have a chat. File a case in the local police station and ask a paper to go to the coins.ph so that you can present this paper to them to get information from them and then file a solid case using the details you get from coins.ph I don't know if they will allow this request since scam occur international and the person got scammed is not the one doing the request that's why I want to consult first via walk-in. :) Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: AB de Royse777 on November 30, 2020, 10:50:45 AM Yeah, This is what I want to discuss with them if they will cooperate with me in case I have a legal paper requesting for that info before I start gathering required papers to submit to them. I already have business before when they lock my account and force me to video KYC. Sometimes there support is very hard to contact and sometimes they want to cooperate. I don't know if they will allow this request since scam occur international and the person got scammed is not the one doing the request that's why I want to consult first via walk-in. :) Regarding the international case, I think if you go with printout of the contents on OP - there will not be much harder job except you may need to have a translation copy in case the people who are seating there are not good at reading English :-D Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: Rikafip on November 30, 2020, 11:05:21 AM It really sucks to see something like this happening, and I know it's kinda late but I hope that lenders will rethink (or at least stricten) their policy of giving no collateral loans, especially not for longer period of time. It might not be fair to those that are regularly repaying their loans but as we can see even DT1 accounts with decent loan history are not immune to something like this.
They might have every intention of paying it back but if they're unable to or the price rises significantly then it's all too easy to just disappear as there's probably little to no real world ramifications and the only damage done to them is a ruined account. That might become big issue as we are into bull market now, so if you take a loan and in a couple of months btc goes up 2-3x you might have serious issues with repaying since majority of us still get out of paycheck in fiat. Unless you are part of CM or some other campaign that has fixed btc payrate but even then it's not very smart to think of it as a sure money. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: suchmoon on November 30, 2020, 03:36:09 PM Agreed on this, But he recently paid his loan in the local lending section before typhoon hits so if he really wants to runaway, he will not pay that loan and just walk away. Or he might have thought that a local lender could track him down but DireWolfM14 from halfway across the world during a pandemic - maybe not. Obviously this is all speculation because asu doesn't communicate. DireWolfM14 has been extremely patient with this. Any honest person with an intent to repay a loan and a year overdue would be going out of their way to keep the lender updated, not hiding. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: TGD on November 30, 2020, 04:29:47 PM Yeah, This is what I want to discuss with them if they will cooperate with me in case I have a legal paper requesting for that info before I start gathering required papers to submit to them. I already have business before when they lock my account and force me to video KYC. Sometimes there support is very hard to contact and sometimes they want to cooperate. I don't know if they will allow this request since scam occur international and the person got scammed is not the one doing the request that's why I want to consult first via walk-in. :) Regarding the international case, I think if you go with printout of the contents on OP - there will not be much harder job except you may need to have a translation copy in case the people who are seating there are not good at reading English :-D I hope all support is clever on dealing this kind of issue. LOL. I know coins.ph support level and you need to explain the case like they are a child so that they can understand the problem here. My account took 1 month to unfreeze even though I submit all documents required during day 1 of my interview. Coins.ph support will be available tomorrow. Let me check out and will give update to the OP. But I want to clarify that I will just ask them about the requirements needed to submit to get Asu details but all those filing cases and police report is a different story. I have a job so I don't have much free time. ;) Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: TalkStar on November 30, 2020, 05:35:40 PM Its really unexpected to see this kinda loan defaulting activities from a user like him who have already took multiple loans from different lenders and paid. You did the right job by sharing the whole story with us and it was necessary. I don’t know he is trying to keep his/her profile clean from negative trusts or not but in a situation like you did the right job by letting everyone know the entire story. In current situation i can only suggest you to wait little more and keep patience.
From the necessity of keeping all loan defaulters information on a single thread i am maintaining this; ★ List of Proven Scammers (Bitcointalk Users Only) ★ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5185763.0). You may take a look here. I am planning to contact all lending service providers by giving them PM and will ask them to provide information about loan defaulters (If i missed to add anyone to the list). Flag supported from my end. And yes, still I would like to give some benefit to asu. What if he is not in his best health shape and is unable to communicate. Few days ago one of my family member died, his lungs were 71% damaged for post COVID-19 pneumonia. In very short time we lost him. From 18th to 24th, only 5 days he was able to survive. I was not in very good condition even to login to the forum (feel free to check my post history). I am also supporting you and during covid19 situation it can be a reason for his inactivity. I have also experienced something similar like you Royse777 and lost one of my childhood friend who died just in 8 days after getting his covid19 test result. Before the day he died doctors were positive enough with his medical report but everything changed in next 24 hours. Now his entire family is passing the worst time and i can feel how painful for them. What I am trying to say is - maybe he is in a condition where he has no facility to communicate. Now since this is public - let him give some time. Give him enough time which will be enough for someone to notice the post to see what's going on and have much time to find a way to communicate too. Yeah,,, we can wait little longer for his response and maybe he will make that soon (Not sure). Lending people money here is incredibly risky and doesn't really seem worth it in my opinion because all it takes is one person to run off with a decent chunk and your business will probably be in the red overall. You have to remember this question: why are they lending it in the first place? It's either because obviously they don't have sufficient money, which is already a red flag, or they're just borrowing to pay it back and build feedback up. Some will do this for legitimate reasons and others will do it for the long con Who can say that trusted user will not turn into a loan defaulter when every defaulter is taking loans to solve their financial issues. Lending service providers is the decision maker here where they must need to be more selective. Running a lending service is undoubtedly risky but only they can survive who have the ability to afford losses like this. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: FatFork on November 30, 2020, 06:34:56 PM What I am trying to say is - maybe he is in a condition where he has no facility to communicate. Now since this is public - let him give some time. Give him enough time which will be enough for someone to notice the post to see what's going on and have much time to find a way to communicate too. Yeah,,, we can wait little longer for his response and maybe he will make that soon (Not sure). According to DireWolfM14, their last communication was on October 8th, when he promised (again) to start making payments. He was last active on the forum on November 4th, and that's ample time to respond. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: finaleshot2016 on November 30, 2020, 08:11:04 PM I feel sad for you, a lot of BTC loss this year. I supported the flag.
Last month (Nov. 2) he paid (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5142115.msg55500878#msg55500878) a lender on our local, maybe there's still a chance. There are possibilities that he could be a victim of the recent typhoon here in PH or affected by the pandemic, but I don't think they will consider that reason since he hasn't paid any amount since January, already 11 months. Quote from: meanwords link=topic=5294730.msg557154 18#msg55715418 date=1606706457 3ByTmVLLd6hrjtT6trwG9C1aziEmbTkZAH (coins.ph) is his wallet. Coins.ph is a custodial wallet so you have a good chance to know his identity. it seems that finaleshot2016 had a transaction with him. Yeah, that's the time he covered the loan and it's not only with me, he got a lot of transaction in different users in our local. If coins.ph can disclose the owner of that wallet, then it's possible to get his identity and contact him but I don't have any idea if coins.ph will do that since it'll be a long process and more papers, try to contact their support-help@coins.ph. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: samcrypto on November 30, 2020, 08:49:55 PM What I am trying to say is - maybe he is in a condition where he has no facility to communicate. Now since this is public - let him give some time. Give him enough time which will be enough for someone to notice the post to see what's going on and have much time to find a way to communicate too. Yeah,,, we can wait little longer for his response and maybe he will make that soon (Not sure). According to DireWolfM14, their last communication was on October 8th, when he promised (again) to start making payments. He was last active on the forum on November 4th, and that's ample time to respond. Whatever reason Asu have, he/she should stay active communicating with Direwolf and now, he’s no where to be found. I hope the details on coinsph can help because this is not a small money at all, this is already a year of debt no more reason for giving more time especially if he’s not cooperating at all. Filipinos reputation are really on serious trouble again especially on the lending section. :-\ Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on November 30, 2020, 10:43:44 PM He/She managed to pay another past due loan to @harizen when he/she came back and joined the Duelbits campaign. There were other instances of delays but he still paid. Although the loans he/she took in our local lending isn't as huge as what's owed to you, I'm more inclined to believe that @asu is really in a tight spot but he/she still has the intention of paying you back. Anyway, here is the list of all loans. FULLY SETTLED/PAID LOANS
Used addresses: Code: 1McxEqfUwGNXzLRhewqG96aqr5HzEYFknJ It’s obviously an exit scam, all his previous loans detailed above are for a much smaller sum. 0.3BTC is obviously what he thinks his account is worth to exit. I dunno what Legendary accounts sell for but I presume less than 0.3BTC. Sorry for your loss OP, genuinely. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: Bitcoin_Arena on November 30, 2020, 11:23:00 PM This is another one of those sad stories.
I know some members have already excluded Asu from their trust lists. I am just going to mention all those who had included him in their trust lists before so that members who have subscribed to the notifications bot and are not aware of what's going on can think about excluding him or removing him from their trust list. Quote asu's judgement is Trusted by: 1. abel1337 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=156391) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=156391) +2 / =0 / -0) (105 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/156391.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/156391.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=abel1337)) 2. mirakal (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=639605) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=639605) +5 / =1 / -0) (227 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/639605.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/639605.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=mirakal)) 3. DoublerHunter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=764495) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=764495) neutral) (98 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/764495.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/764495.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=DoublerHunter)) 4. bL4nkcode (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=765632) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=765632) +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 637 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/765632.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/765632.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bL4nkcode)) 5. Innocant (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=789600) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=789600) neutral) (10 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/789600.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/789600.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Innocant)) 6. Yamifoud (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=793182) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=793182) +1 / =0 / -0) (128 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/793182.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/793182.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Yamifoud)) 7. Russlenat (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=821689) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=821689) +4 / =0 / -0) (338 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/821689.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/821689.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Russlenat)) 8. panganib999 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=833483) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=833483) neutral) (42 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/833483.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/833483.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=panganib999)) 9. finaleshot2016 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=888099) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=888099) +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 818 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/888099.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/888099.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=finaleshot2016)) 10. Baofeng (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=984384) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=984384) neutral) (983 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/984384.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/984384.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Baofeng)) 11. spadormie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1013457) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1013457) neutral) (18 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1013457.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/1013457.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=spadormie)) 12. roycilik (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1051955) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1051955) +9 / =1 / -0) (1520 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1051955.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/1051955.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=roycilik)) 13. yazher (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1069571) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1069571) neutral) (529 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1069571.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/1069571.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=yazher)) 14. Altero (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1079518) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1079518) neutral) (23 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1079518.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/1079518.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Altero)) 15. LogitechMouse (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1143164) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1143164) +2 / =0 / -0) (249 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1143164.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/1143164.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=LogitechMouse)) 16. GreatArkansas (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1164368) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1164368) +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1002 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1164368.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/1164368.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=GreatArkansas)) 17. sheenshane (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1179651) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1179651) +2 / =1 / -0) (750 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1179651.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/1179651.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=sheenshane)) 18. theyoungmillionaire (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1180530) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1180530) !!!: +5 / =0 / -20) (1013 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1180530.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/1180530.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=theyoungmillionaire)) 19. cabalism13 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1605387) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1605387) +8 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1053 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1605387.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/1605387.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=cabalism13)) 20. cryptobenn (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1991100) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1991100) +0 / =0 / -1) (1 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1991100.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/1991100.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=cryptobenn)) 21. itoybtc (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2016507) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2016507) neutral) (10 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2016507.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/2016507.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=itoybtc)) Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0). Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (https://loyce.club/trust/). Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: suchmoon on November 30, 2020, 11:23:58 PM Is it just me thinking that if you take more than a couple of loans there is probably something wrong with you? What were the reasons given for all those loans?
Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: NotATether on December 01, 2020, 12:09:25 AM Is it just me thinking that if you take more than a couple of loans there is probably something wrong with you? What were the reasons given for all those loans? No it's not just you. Look at the dates inside the posts he took and repaid all those loans - at one point he was paying and borrowing those loans almost monthly. If someone needs to get tiny loans in that short amount of time, they are probably in financial instability. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on December 01, 2020, 12:35:13 AM Is it just me thinking that if you take more than a couple of loans there is probably something wrong with you? What were the reasons given for all those loans? Building trust up to a point where he could go for a bigger grab. 0.3BTC might be a lot where he lives & worth losing his account & dignity over. pajeet’s gonna pajeet. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: Timelord2067 on December 01, 2020, 01:04:11 AM Building trust up to a point where he could go for a bigger grab. 0.3BTC might be a lot where he lives & worth losing his account & dignity over. asu's path to oblivion: https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/16/blobb4aff12b65e88d56.jpeg which is strange really, because they had an OK DT trust page at the start of this week: https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/16/blobd8f0ce4befc8da6c.jpeg DT1 (+4) to DT1 (-9) and falling ... Hopefully DireWolfM14 is weighing up any outstanding long term loans to prevent further losses. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on December 01, 2020, 01:15:11 AM @Timelord
I did see the BPIP DT changes & asu’s ~ fest. I had to drag my balls in there & ~ him too. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: Timelord2067 on December 01, 2020, 01:35:07 AM @Timelord2067 I did see the BPIP DT changes & asu’s ~ fest. I had to drag my balls in there & ~ him too. Looks like has changed their mind about distrusting asu: https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/16/blob14ff22902a1f0ee4.jpeg Did you see this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233790.msg54718278#msg54718278) or this other post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233790.msg54731741#msg54731741)? Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: DireWolfM14 on December 01, 2020, 02:23:47 AM Thanks to everyone for the help and support.
Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: finaleshot2016 on December 01, 2020, 03:31:13 AM @Timelord2067 I did see the BPIP DT changes & asu’s ~ fest. I had to drag my balls in there & ~ him too. Looks like has changed their mind about distrusting asu: https://i.imgur.com/j5yMMu3.jpg Did you see this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233790.msg54718278#msg54718278) or this other post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233790.msg54731741#msg54731741)? I already updated my list again. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: arbiter5 on December 01, 2020, 03:40:20 AM @Timelord2067 I did see the BPIP DT changes & asu’s ~ fest. I had to drag my balls in there & ~ him too. Looks like has changed their mind about distrusting asu: https://i.imgur.com/j5yMMu3.jpg Did you see this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233790.msg54718278#msg54718278) or this other post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233790.msg54731741#msg54731741)? I wouldn't jump to conclusions just yet but this is some juicy stuff. Looks like bitcointalk has far more account farmers than we initially thought. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: Coin_trader on December 01, 2020, 04:03:26 AM @Timelord2067 I did see the BPIP DT changes & asu’s ~ fest. I had to drag my balls in there & ~ him too. Looks like has changed their mind about distrusting asu: https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/20/68w7J.jpeg Did you see this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233790.msg54718278#msg54718278) or this other post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233790.msg54731741#msg54731741)? I wouldn't jump to conclusions just yet but this is some juicy stuff. Looks like bitcointalk has far more account farmers than we initially thought. I won't consider it as account farming at all since they are just trusting each other. In every local board, It's normal that a group of people will form brotherhood especially if they always interact and do transactions to each other many times. I don't personally know them but I know that there Filipino Crypto Group in Facebook that focus on Bitcointalk topic. So I believe they usually chat there about Bitcointalk stuff. Let's not flood this thread with other issue. @Direwolf, are you already in touch to someone that made transaction to Asu in our local board? Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: Timelord2067 on December 01, 2020, 04:36:10 AM Beware of finaleshot2016 people - they're engaging in Default Trust abuse:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/16/blobebd7e77361c00e2f.jpeg Same goes for cabalism13's DT Trust abuse: https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/16/blobd74951abe409b5b4.jpeg Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: nutildah on December 01, 2020, 04:45:47 AM Beware of finaleshot2016 people - they're engaging in Default Trust abuse: https://i.imgur.com/QFqPpH4.jpg Same goes for cabalism13's DT Trust abuse: https://i.imgur.com/2vXggdZ.jpg "How is that trust abuse?" he asked, fully believing he would get some sort of reasonable reply. The thread banter was amounting to off-topicness, but surely an answer to his question was not unwarranted. Timelord had a habit of hurling accusations at various members of the forum who had very little - if anything - to do with subject of the topic he was responding in. Nutildah wasn't sure what compelled Timelord to do this, but he'd seen a lot of odd behavior over the years, so nothing was too surprising anymore. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: Timelord2067 on December 01, 2020, 05:10:06 AM I'll just park this here for people to get context of what finaleshot2016 is doing:
Interestingly enough finaleshot2016 does not come here to this scam accusation to answer questions concerning their apparent merit & Default trust abuse with theyoungmillionaire, instead removes their trust of theyoungmillionaire (but being DT1 does not go so far as to distrust theyoungmillionaire as that would push him to DT2 (-11) ) Via https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/16/blob258bb88af2add3e2.jpeg As you can see both the last time as with this time finaleshot2016 simply removed their DT trust of theyoungmillionaire but did not go that step further to distrust them and again this time, finaleshot2016 first distrusted then got cold feet and removed that distrust of asu as quickly as they placed it. Questions definitely need to be answered. Same goes with cabalism13. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: nutildah on December 01, 2020, 05:16:53 AM Great, this is wholly off-topic. Start your own thread about it. Edit: we already had this exact same thing happen already except replace asu with TheYoungMillionaire. Here's a place for Timelord to carry out his investigation: Timelord2067's Investigation (TYM's Scandal) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260128.msg54737028#msg54737028) Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on December 01, 2020, 05:36:01 AM Thanks to everyone for the help and support. Sorry for the loss brother. @Timelord2067 I did see the BPIP DT changes & asu’s ~ fest. I had to drag my balls in there & ~ him too. Looks like has changed their mind about distrusting asu: https://i.imgur.com/j5yMMu3.jpg Did you see this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233790.msg54718278#msg54718278) or this other post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233790.msg54731741#msg54731741)? Wow, you could be bang on the money there. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: cabalism13 on December 01, 2020, 06:22:28 AM ... nobody cares, just stfu.your opinion doesn't count here. your off topic replies doesn't belong here especially if you can't even help DireWolfM14. we're done with trust-nega-things, move on will yah? DireWolfM14, if you have been sent a message by crwth, I think that nme rings a bell to me. I have searched and killed my time on it yesterday and I found out that he only uses Messenger and not Facebook, while he was also using that back then... Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: cryptoaddictchie on December 01, 2020, 07:06:41 AM The reputation of the Philippine community is slowly but surely sinking huh? Seems like it. I'm not sure what happened but it's clearly another huge blow to direwolf sorry buddy. Last time is also a bit big funds werent able to return from one of the locals also of Pilipinas Board.I do hope the funds can still be returned. I dont know him. But it did mentioned here that it could somehow related to typhoon devastation but, this isn't an excuse. Lack of communication can indicate a probable scam exit. But who knows what exactly happened, but still I do hope asu can go back and fixed this. His one of the highest reputable member of Pilipinas Board. This is just sad event. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: arwin100 on December 01, 2020, 07:43:06 AM The reputation of the Philippine community is slowly but surely sinking huh? Seems like it. I'm not sure what happened but it's clearly another huge blow to direwolf sorry buddy. Last time is also a bit big funds werent able to return from one of the locals also of Pilipinas Board.I do hope the funds can still be returned. I dont know him. But it did mentioned here that it could somehow related to typhoon devastation but, this isn't an excuse. Lack of communication can indicate a probable scam exit. But who knows what exactly happened, but still I do hope asu can go back and fixed this. His one of the highest reputable member of Pilipinas Board. This is just sad event. Its not right to blame all for the sin of 1 person and I don't think the reputation of PH board is sinking since there are still users who honestly doing some business/activities here. Maybe it's a lesson learned from the lenders to do a background check if the borrower is capable to pay the huge amount ask since reputation is not totally guarantee if we talk about huge amount since everyone can flip and do a exit scam. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: mdayonliner on December 01, 2020, 07:45:49 AM I was not aware of how the flag system works and now I have a decent idea. Flag supported.
There are still four positive feedback on DT view (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=519783;dt) on the profile from Russlenat, GreatArkansas, inthelongrun and dozerz. These users should revise their feedback after the incident. Obviously a loan scammer does not deserve to have any positive feedback from DT. https://i.imgur.com/ONDsKrL.png Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: Timelord2067 on December 01, 2020, 09:59:00 AM There are still four positive feedback on DT view (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=519783;dt) on the profile from Russlenat, GreatArkansas, inthelongrun and dozerz. These users should revise their feedback after the incident. Obviously a loan scammer does not deserve to have any positive feedback from DT. inthelongrun hasn't been online in the last nearly three months while the other three have been last online within the last few days: Code: 2020-09-15, 22:05:20 Last Active: inthelongrun DT2 Make of this what you will: Two of the three DT1 who trust inthelongrun are none other than asu and finaleshot2016 Quote Trust list for: Russlenat (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=821689) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=821689) +4 / =0 / -0) (338 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/821689.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/821689.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Russlenat)) (created 2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h) Back to index (https://loyce.club/trust/) Russlenat Trusts these users' judgement: 2. yahoo62278 (Trust: +24 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (25) 1558 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 4. asu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=519783) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=519783) +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 634 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/519783.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/519783.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=asu)) 7. finaleshot2016 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=888099) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=888099) +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 818 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/888099.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/888099.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=finaleshot2016)) One of three DT1 users who trust GreatArkansas just happens to be cabalism13 Quote Trust list for: GreatArkansas (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1164368) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1164368) +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1002 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1164368.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/1164368.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=GreatArkansas)) (created 2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h) Back to index (https://loyce.club/trust/) GreatArkansas's judgement is Trusted by: 2. Yatsan (Trust: +4 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (4) 685 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 4. CryptopreneurBrainboss (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1611 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 9. Maus0728 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (881 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 10. cabalism13 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1605387) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1605387) +8 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1053 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1605387.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/1605387.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=cabalism13)) inthelongrun only vote into DT2 also happens to be cabalism13 Quote Trust list for: inthelongrun (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=950786) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=950786) neutral) (131 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/950786.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/950786.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=inthelongrun)) (created 2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h) Back to index (https://loyce.club/trust/) inthelongrun Trusts these users' judgement: - inthelongrun Distrusts these users' judgement: - inthelongrun's judgement is Trusted by: 1. robelneo (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (34 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 2. cabalism13 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1605387) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1605387) +8 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1053 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1605387.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/1605387.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=cabalism13)) 3. bisdak40 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (323 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) ~inthelongrun's judgement is Distrusted by: - Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0). Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (https://loyce.club/trust/). while dozerz 's DT1 voters seem completely unrelated: Quote Trust list for: dozerz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=65034) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=65034) +35 / =1 / -0) (12 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/65034.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/65034.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=dozerz)) (created 2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h) Back to index (https://loyce.club/trust/) 15. BitcoinPenny (Trust: +47 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 747 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 23. Corrosive (Trust: +21 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1061 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) All these users from the same sub-section closing ranks, yet none saw any signs that this was going to happen? - twice? IDTS The reputation of the Philippine community is slowly but surely sinking huh? Seems like it.I'll leave the last word to cabalism13 whose DT1 vote is giving two user's ( inthelongrun and GreatArkansas ) positive DT2 trust feedback towards asu: nobody cares, just stfu. Indeed... Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: nutildah on December 01, 2020, 10:27:33 AM None of this proves anything, nor is it the least bit relevant to this situation. How does this help DireWolf in the slightest? You're just insisting that ordinary connections have an insidious implication, which they do not. Is it possible that these users are simply connected through their association in the Pilipinas board? Until you come up with actual evidence that indicates otherwise, this is obviously the most likely the reason they are connected. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: Timelord2067 on December 01, 2020, 10:52:29 AM ... In your haste to skim over the obvious in my post, you missed reading this, so I'll just drop this here for your benefit: All these users from the same sub-section closing ranks, yet none saw any signs that this was going to happen? - twice? IDTS Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: nutildah on December 01, 2020, 11:07:09 AM All these users from the same sub-section closing ranks, yet none saw any signs that this was going to happen? - twice? IDTS What does one thing have to do with the other? You're now blaming an entire subsection for... what? Not stopping all their potential loan scammers? There are scammers from just about everywhere around the world. And again, your weird judgments bring nothing of value to the table. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: marlboroza on December 01, 2020, 11:07:37 AM They scammed me in several occasions. These people takes advantage of your kind heart, good intention. [...] That is pretty much what scammers do for a living, sweet talk and all that crap and next moment you know it, they steal your money. You need to learn not to trust people just because they are nice on internet.The most harm was done by so called reputed members on the forum. They slowly build up a good reputation and wait for the right time to scam you. Sad. this is only for 0.3 BTC then this very sad. I wouldn't call that "only 0.3BTC", if you do that in my country you could get 3 years imprisonment.How does this help DireWolf in the slightest? I doesn't. Unless Timey doesn't have some better proofs, I would suggest him not to post anything, he is confusing everyone.Flag supported, tagged... Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: hilariousetc on December 01, 2020, 11:13:27 AM It’s obviously an exit scam, all his previous loans detailed above are for a much smaller sum. 0.3BTC is obviously what he thinks his account is worth to exit. I dunno what Legendary accounts sell for but I presume less than 0.3BTC. Sorry for your loss OP, genuinely. I don't know what you define as an exit scam but if that was his intention from the start he probably wouldn't have paid the other loans back or made some repayments on this one. As for the account, I don't really know how much they go for these days but I'd assume a decent Legendary with a bit of trading history and feedback could get upwards of $1000. Taking out loans is probably easier and safer than selling your account though. Is it just me thinking that if you take more than a couple of loans there is probably something wrong with you? What were the reasons given for all those loans? Some people just do them because it makes their life a bit easier in the real world, and some people probably take them because they're a gambling addict, but I reckon most of the loans taken here aren't needed at all and people just do them to easily build up feedback by taking them out and repaying them straight away. Some people will do it for legitimate reasons (if you can call it that) because they want to appear more trustworthy and others will do it for the long con. Taking out small loans to gain trust is probably the easiest way to scam someone as you build up trust with the person bit by bit, slowly but surely and they're lulled into a false sense of security. I don't know whether that happened here or not but as I said before lending money, especially in bitcoin, is a very risky business and if they run into issues in the real world or the price rises as it has done it will become next to impossible to pay it back and the only ramifications for disappearing are a ruined account. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: Timelord2067 on December 01, 2020, 11:50:49 AM This was probably a long con by asu as this evidence hints at:
Week 18 asu adds just one name - theymos to their trust list, then in their week 20 (https://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/519783.html) DT trust additions asu adds twenty more UID's: Quote Trust list for: asu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=519783) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=519783) 1: -0 / +2) (159 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/519783.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/519783.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=asu)) (created 2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h) Back to index (http://loyce.club/trust/) asu Trusts: 1. theymos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35) 212: -0 / +22) (DT1! (50) 4738 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/35.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/35.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=theymos)) NEW 2. Dabs (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=54791) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=54791) 411: -0 / +42) (DT1! (3) 143 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/54791.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/54791.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Dabs)) NEW 3. TMAN (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=98986) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=98986) 241: -0 / +27) (DT1! (25) 1027 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/98986.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/98986.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=TMAN)) NEW 4. Lauda (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101872) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=101872) 314: -0 / +33) (DT1! (26) 1036 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/101872.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/101872.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Lauda)) NEW 5. suchmoon (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=234771) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=234771) 76: -0 / +11) (DT1! (44) 2278 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/234771.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/234771.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=suchmoon)) NEW 6. yahoo62278 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=355846) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=355846) 128: -0 / +14) (DT1! (15) 523 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/355846.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/355846.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=yahoo62278)) NEW 7. LoyceV (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=459836) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=459836) 125: -0 / +16) (DT1! (48) 2961 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/459836.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/459836.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=LoyceV)) NEW 8. The Pharmacist (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=487418) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=487418) 193: -0 / +22) (DT1! (35) 1957 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/487418.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/487418.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=The Pharmacist)) NEW 9. DarkStar_ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=507936) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=507936) 256: -0 / +30) (DT1! (29) 784 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/507936.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/507936.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DarkStar_)) NEW 10. Mr. Big (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=553678) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=553678) 40: -0 / +4) (130 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/553678.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/553678.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Mr. Big)) NEW 11. bL4nkcode (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=765632) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=765632) 64: -0 / +8) (DT1! (4) 165 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/765632.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/765632.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=bL4nkcode)) NEW 12. Lafu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=805820) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=805820) 52: -0 / +6) (DT1! (16) 555 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/805820.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/805820.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Lafu)) NEW 13. Hhampuz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=881377) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=881377) 395: -0 / +53) (DT1! (38) 1080 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/881377.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/881377.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Hhampuz)) NEW 14. finaleshot2016 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=888099) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=888099) neutral) (198 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/888099.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/888099.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=finaleshot2016)) NEW 15. xtraelv (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=897509) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=897509) 25: -0 / +3) (DT1! (21) 1054 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/897509.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/897509.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=xtraelv)) NEW 16. crwth (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=914465) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=914465) 11: -0 / +2) (227 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/914465.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/914465.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=crwth)) NEW 17. Silent26 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1091163) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1091163) 9: -0 / +1) (219 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1091163.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/1091163.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Silent26)) NEW 18. theyoungmillionaire (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1180530) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1180530) 20: -0 / +4) (DT1! (6) 786 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1180530.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/1180530.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=theyoungmillionaire)) NEW 19. DdmrDdmr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1582324) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1582324) 8: -0 / +2) (DT1! (15) 2198 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1582324.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/1582324.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DdmrDdmr)) NEW 20. DireWolfM14 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2003859) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2003859) 24: -0 / +5) (574 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2003859.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/2003859.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DireWolfM14)) NEW 21. 1miau (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2143453) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2143453) 9: -0 / +1) (DT1! (12) 977 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2143453.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/2143453.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=1miau)) asu Distrusts: - asu is Trusted by: - ~asu is Distrusted by: - Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0). Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (http://loyce.club/trust/). When we rearrange the users by type: Lenders: Quote NEW 20. DireWolfM14 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2003859) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2003859) 24: -0 / +5) (574 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2003859.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/2003859.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DireWolfM14)) NEW 9. DarkStar_ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=507936) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=507936) 256: -0 / +30) (DT1! (29) 784 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/507936.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/507936.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DarkStar_)) Campaign Managers: Quote NEW 6. yahoo62278 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=355846) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=355846) 128: -0 / +14) (DT1! (15) 523 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/355846.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/355846.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=yahoo62278)) NEW 9. DarkStar_ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=507936) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=507936) 256: -0 / +30) (DT1! (29) 784 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/507936.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/507936.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DarkStar_)) NEW 13. Hhampuz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=881377) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=881377) 395: -0 / +53) (DT1! (38) 1080 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/881377.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/881377.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Hhampuz)) Philipine Section: Quote NEW 10. Mr. Big (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=553678) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=553678) 40: -0 / +4) (130 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/553678.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/553678.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Mr. Big)) NEW 14. finaleshot2016 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=888099) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=888099) neutral) (198 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/888099.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/888099.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=finaleshot2016)) NEW 16. crwth (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=914465) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=914465) 11: -0 / +2) (227 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/914465.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/914465.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=crwth)) NEW 17. Silent26 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1091163) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1091163) 9: -0 / +1) (219 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1091163.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/1091163.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Silent26)) NEW 18. theyoungmillionaire (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1180530) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1180530) 20: -0 / +4) (DT1! (6) 786 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1180530.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/1180530.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=theyoungmillionaire)) Then the rest are a smattering of "the usual suspects" on DT1 that a person might randomly add - have I missed anyone in these lists? At a guess, asu has been building trust with these lenders and campaign managers with micro, small, not so small and finally the long con game play loan. Two weeks later, asu is trusted by three users: Quote Trust list for: asu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=519783) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=519783) +2 / =1 / -0) (238 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/519783.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-15_Sat_13.30h/519783.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=asu)) (created 2019-06-15_Sat_13.30h) Back to index (http://loyce.club/trust/) asu is Trusted by: 1. finaleshot2016 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=888099) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=888099) neutral) (276 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/888099.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-15_Sat_13.30h/888099.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=finaleshot2016)) 2. spadormie (Trust: awaiting update) (12 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 3. GreatArkansas (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1164368) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1164368) neutral) (227 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1164368.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-15_Sat_13.30h/1164368.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=GreatArkansas)) finaleshot2016 and GreatArkansas Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: AB de Royse777 on December 01, 2020, 12:07:07 PM ¬snip¬ All these are just guesses. For sure, we really do not know what was in his mind and what plans he had all those days when he was active. Interesting findings by the way.But I think I will be leaning to make the same conclusion as LFC_Bitcoin in here. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5294730.msg55722106#msg55722106) The loan from DireWolfM14 was the biggest and rest of them were just very small amount and the highest I see was only 0.01 BTC from harizen. This was probably the long plan to build up a good reputation slowly and then when the time is right, go with a bigger one and exit. I think as a community we really need to understand this that leaving out positive feedback for few sats is just encouraging users to build up fake reps and easily plan for a long con. Wasn't he in Chipmixer campaign before joining best_change and other campaigns? Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: TGD on December 01, 2020, 12:37:30 PM Just in. I recently visit coins.ph office and they are willing to cooperate to solve the issue. They need a formal letter (official Request for Information) from the authorities to share information. I hope that someone can do this in my fellow country man to help OP since this the second big loan defaulted from him.
I can submit the formal request letter to the coins.ph office once its available. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: TalkStar on December 01, 2020, 05:08:41 PM According to DireWolfM14, their last communication was on October 8th, when he promised (again) to start making payments. He was last active on the forum on November 4th, and that's ample time to respond. Yeah i have seen that and its not hidden here. "DirewoolfM14" have already described everything on his thread and we all know what happened actually but you may haven't got the proper meaning of my reply. DirewolfM14 given a good amount of time to "asu" but he didn't responded yet. In this situation negative trusts will work just as a warning for community users but it will not bring Direwolfm14 money back. Even I don't think other lenders will feel comfortable to give "asu" loan if he pay current one. So in a situation like this i am not seeing any problem to wait little longer for the repayment although no one can assure lenders about it. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: FatFork on December 01, 2020, 05:55:20 PM DirewolfM14 given a good amount of time to "asu" but he didn't responded yet. In this situation negative trusts will work just as a warning for community users but it will not bring Direwolfm14 money back. Not necessarily. We've already seen some members who repented and repaid their loans after the community gave them negative trust. Neg. trust can be lifted and they can still get back to their engagement on the forum and regain their reputation. Apart from being the right thing to do, I think it would be his ideal route to come back and explain his position. Judging from his previous reputation, he might be able to join some sig. campaign to repay all debts over several months of forum activity. But I agree, we can give him all the time in the world now. As a community, there's not much we can do except alert other members of the abuser. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: Bitcoinsummoner on December 01, 2020, 07:01:51 PM DirewolfM14 given a good amount of time to "asu" but he didn't responded yet. And while a user try to scam try to take extension as long as possible so that in the meantime the scammer can earn few more from signature campaign also there might have a chance to make any other scam.Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: TGD on December 02, 2020, 06:06:35 AM I received a follow up email from coins.ph contains the context below. I hope that Direwolf will read this.
You can email coins.ph here: help@coins.ph They are always online during weekdays, 8am to 8pm Philippines Standar Time. You can tell them directly your issue. Quote from: coins.ph We understand that you want to get more information regarding this matter. If you or someone you know wishes to pursue legal actions, they may report the incident to the Anti-Cybercrime Group nearest them. In the event that they reach out to us requesting for more information, we will be happy to coordinate and cooperate with them and provide any and all relevant information that they request from us to help their case. You may also inform them that they can reach out to us personally so that we can check on this incident better. If you have questions about this, feel free to reach out. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: DireWolfM14 on December 03, 2020, 02:03:00 AM I received a follow up email from coins.ph contains the context below. I hope that Direwolf will read this. You can email coins.ph here: help@coins.ph They are always online during weekdays, 8am to 8pm Philippines Standar Time. You can tell them directly your issue. Quote from: coins.ph We understand that you want to get more information regarding this matter. If you or someone you know wishes to pursue legal actions, they may report the incident to the Anti-Cybercrime Group nearest them. In the event that they reach out to us requesting for more information, we will be happy to coordinate and cooperate with them and provide any and all relevant information that they request from us to help their case. You may also inform them that they can reach out to us personally so that we can check on this incident better. If you have questions about this, feel free to reach out. Thanks for your help, TGD. I'll definitely reach out to them. It probably wouldn't hurt to ask if they can help with the TYM issue also. I submitted a report to the FBI Cyber Crimes unit about that, but who knows how long before they do anything about it. Contacting Law Enforcement in the Philippines could be helpful. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: AB de Royse777 on December 03, 2020, 10:23:54 AM Thanks for your help, TGD. I'll definitely reach out to them. Maybe make a topic in their local will help however reporting it to the FBI Cyber Crimes is the right thing you did. I really do not understand why asu is still silent unless he is much confident that FBI or low agencies will fail to get him even after he has his details with coins.phIt probably wouldn't hurt to ask if they can help with the TYM issue also. I submitted a report to the FBI Cyber Crimes unit about that, but who knows how long before they do anything about it. Contacting Law Enforcement in the Philippines could be helpful. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: Coin_trader on December 03, 2020, 11:28:41 AM Thanks for your help, TGD. I'll definitely reach out to them. Maybe make a topic in their local will help however reporting it to the FBI Cyber Crimes is the right thing you did. I really do not understand why asu is still silent unless he is much confident that FBI or low agencies will fail to get him even after he has his details with coins.phIt probably wouldn't hurt to ask if they can help with the TYM issue also. I submitted a report to the FBI Cyber Crimes unit about that, but who knows how long before they do anything about it. Contacting Law Enforcement in the Philippines could be helpful. Believe it or not, Philippines law enforcement action about this issue will be very slow if no one will follow up regularly about the case and some unde the table payment. I suggest that Direwolf should hire a trusted Filipino member here that can do all the case filing and and follow up. The rate for doing this job is not that expensive since it will just cost a few bucks for transportation fee and so on. There's a fast way to track the Asu once you get the Identity. Post it on social media like Facebook and let others share it to make it viral. In that way, Police will be pressure to speedup. A 3rd World country thingy. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: Bttzed03 on December 03, 2020, 02:27:01 PM ~ I did some reading (I'm not a lawyer or a law student). asu's loan could be classified as small claims because the value does not exceed 300K or 400K in Philippine Peso.Contacting Law Enforcement in the Philippines could be helpful. BTC0.3 * $20,000 * PHP50/dollar = PHP300,000 though I doubt the basis of conversion would be in $20K. The rate would probably be at the time the loan was granted/sent. Small claims in the Philippines are considered as civil cases. The procedure is much simpler and less expensive compared to criminal cases which is good in a way but the entire procedure could still be tedious for a foreigner like you. 8. Can lawyers appear in the hearing? Lawyers are not allowed to appear in behalf of or represent a party. 9. Can a representative appear in the hearing? Yes, provided that appearance by representative is for a valid cause and the representative must be a relative of the individual party and NOT a lawyer. Furthermore, the representative must be armed with a Special Power of Attorney. Needless to say, you'll have to come here personally and file a case. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: cabalism13 on December 04, 2020, 12:43:11 AM Contacting Law Enforcement in the Philippines could be helpful. Dire, as you already know I'm always willing to help, but I do have remembered an issue about this kind of problem, herein the Philippines our Law is quite awful, to tell you the truth there isn't a law here that an individual wil be imprisoned if she/he didn't pay his debts. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: cryptoaddictchie on December 04, 2020, 03:23:45 AM Maybe make a topic in their local will help however reporting it to the FBI Cyber Crimes is the right thing you did. I really do not understand why asu is still silent unless he is much confident that FBI or low agencies will fail to get him even after he has his details with coins.ph There is already a topic and discussion thread about this case and some members are willing to help with this loan default. Check here: Asu Loan Default (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5294913.0)There's a fast way to track the Asu once you get the Identity. Post it on social media like Facebook and let others share it to make it viral. In that way, Police will be pressure to speedup. A 3rd World country thingy. This is really gonna be helpful. But before doing that. Those guys that will help must make sure that the account is the real one whom actually did the loan and not other guys whose profile are being used. There are some cases before in social media's that some people are buying the identity of other for an account restriction on coinsph. If the account associated with the address is a bought one then the guy will suffer is not the one who did loan. Anyhow I suggest that if gonna make a move, its like 100% or else someone will suffer the wrong doing of this kind of act. @cabalism13 might be the one to actually help since he almost knew all the members closely of our internal group. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: chaser15 on December 04, 2020, 03:37:42 AM ..to tell you the truth there isn't a law here that an individual wil be imprisoned if she/he didn't pay his debts. But in the case of asu, it's considered a scam since no communications have been made for long and the user just disappears without a trace here. Scammers can go to jail here. Coins.ph will not release the customer's identity easily as they are working like banks. DireWolf should be the one to contact coins.ph and file a complaint. And the one that will be hired as his representative here in the PH will do the follow-up works after filing the formal complaint. For assurance, Asu can be trace even he used several accounts as for sure, the account owners are involved with him personally. Coins.ph users are all verified. And kudos to this exchange, they are helpful and cooperative to all serious cases. I know asu knows this but still, why he is silent. He should know the fact that he can be traced. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: cabalism13 on December 04, 2020, 04:34:18 AM @cabalism13 might be the one to actually help since he almost knew all the members closely of our internal group. Already gave Dire some hints, but as we can see there's no update on what he plans to do next... Just by searching on facebook and connecting the dots tru coins and gcash, the user behind asu will be caught in no time, IMO (Only if we push this with the help of the authorities)Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: timerland on December 04, 2020, 05:07:14 AM Just in. I recently visit coins.ph office and they are willing to cooperate to solve the issue. They need a formal letter (official Request for Information) from the authorities to share information. I hope that someone can do this in my fellow country man to help OP since this the second big loan defaulted from him. I can submit the formal request letter to the coins.ph office once its available. Breath of fresh air to see these companies cooperating in these issues - it would certainly serve as a very important precedent for future scams involving bitcoin. Should deter scammers at least a little bit given that the threat of potential real life penalty. Good job OP and the community on chasing this up - a lot of lenders just let these defaults slide after a red tag and in the long run that gives scammers a sense of complacency. @cabalism13 might be the one to actually help since he almost knew all the members closely of our internal group. Already gave Dire some hints, but as we can see there's no update on what he plans to do next... Just by searching on facebook and connecting the dots tru coins and gcash, the user behind asu will be caught in no time, IMO (Only if we push this with the help of the authorities)Hopefully this will go through with authorities. Not sure about regulatory standards in ph but obviously getting through the privacy barrier will be tough. Coins.ph will have to weigh their risks here of releasing private info but there's obviously higher chances now that they've committed. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: TGD on December 04, 2020, 06:27:24 AM @cabalism13 might be the one to actually help since he almost knew all the members closely of our internal group. Already gave Dire some hints, but as we can see there's no update on what he plans to do next... Just by searching on facebook and connecting the dots tru coins and gcash, the user behind asu will be caught in no time, IMO (Only if we push this with the help of the authorities)Getting his real identity will be benificial. Once we get it, we can bring this case to the famous sumbungan ng bayan #raffytulfo. They will love to solve this case because this is a unique case since it involves foreigner and the money in line was huge plus it was crypto. Its easy too to send an email or contact them because there line is always open report. I once report them our land property and they help us solve it. I will be happy to get in touch with them once the real identity reveal. We can contact first Asu to inform him what will gonna happened then push through once he ignore. But I believe his personal appearance will be required to solve this. Maybe they can help too on solving TYM case because they have a good researcher compared to our local authority. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: GreatArkansas on December 05, 2020, 08:05:05 AM I am surprised on what asu did, this is also one I included on my trust list before. This user also the one who introduced to me the trust system of the forum (there is also one user asu did the same with me), asu for sure targeted before some newbies and teach how the trust system works so asu can be included on their trust list. I think it is part of the plan, asu collected some users to trust him/her, asu also did multiple loan transactions from our Local which mentioned above.
Upon checking our conversation telegram, asu also tried to ask before to me a loan of 0.032btc, but that time I don't have extra fund, and some conversation of us is about the trust system. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: jamyr on December 05, 2020, 02:12:12 PM It’s obviously an exit scam, all his previous loans detailed above are for a much smaller sum. 0.3BTC is obviously what he thinks his account is worth to exit. I dunno what Legendary accounts sell for but I presume less than 0.3BTC. Sorry for your loss OP, genuinely. It could be that he is just having a very hard time. From my own experience, sometimes shit happens, and when it does, it is just so hard. I don't know what you define as an exit scam but if that was his intention from the start he probably wouldn't have paid the other loans back or made some repayments on this one. As for the account, I don't really know how much they go for these days but I'd assume a decent Legendary with a bit of trading history and feedback could get upwards of $1000. Taking out loans is probably easier and safer than selling your account though. It is very hard, especially when every opportunity you have to try to be back on your feet, is taken away. Some people just do them because it makes their life a bit easier in the real world, and some people probably take them because they're a gambling addict, ~snip In my case, signature campaigns were my primary source of income before I had a loan problem with the good Ultra of primedice. well, I see it now that my exclusion from being able to earn from signature campaign and being able to pay Ultra sooner(credits to Lauda and marlboroza), is a blessing in disguise as I was able to reduce my gambling activities even if it felt like it was personal at first. To asu: I hope you don't give up. It may feel like this is to much to crawl out from but believe me, these challenges makes life more colorful. EDIT:::: deleted opinion, Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: mk4 on December 06, 2020, 01:32:31 PM It could be that he is just having a very hard time. From my own experience, sometimes shit happens, and when it does, it is just so hard. No matter how hard his/her situation is, it still doesn't change the fact that asu defaulted the loan. If asu was in a really bad situation and at the same time if we're going to take the moral and ethical approach, the attempt would be to at least try to negotiate with DireWolfM14 for a reduction or complete removal of the interest(probably with some proof), and a delayed deadline. But nope.It is very hard, especially when every opportunity you have to try to be back on your feet, is taken away. Also taking note that we don't even know if asu is actually in a tough situation. Asu may(or may not) just be a long-term scammer. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: RapTarX on December 06, 2020, 03:18:56 PM From my own experience, sometimes shit happens, and when it does, it is just so hard. True but there’s nothing wrong with keeping the lender in touch what's going on. DirewolfM14 may have extended the repayment date.Although initially, asu might not have any intention to scam, but with the huge price changes, they weren’t able to repay the loan, thus, an exit scam. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: DireWolfM14 on December 06, 2020, 04:30:52 PM If asu was in a really bad situation and at the same time if we're going to take the moral and ethical approach, the attempt would be to at least try to negotiate with DireWolfM14 for a reduction or complete removal of the interest(probably with some proof), and a delayed deadline. But nope. I haven't charged interest since April. All I've asked of asu since then is to maintain communication, and make payments. He offered to pay off the loan in full by August, I only asked him to honor his word. I know what this past year has done to many folks, and I don't want to put any one in a difficult position. I just want my money back. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: jamyr on December 09, 2020, 03:30:23 AM If asu was in a really bad situation and at the same time if we're going to take the moral and ethical approach, the attempt would be to at least try to negotiate with DireWolfM14 for a reduction or complete removal of the interest(probably with some proof), and a delayed deadline. But nope. I haven't charged interest since April. All I've asked of asu since then is to maintain communication, and make payments. He offered to pay off the loan in full by August, I only asked him to honor his word. I know what this past year has done to many folks, and I don't want to put any one in a difficult position. I just want my money back. Sorry about your loss. And after reading thru several threads about the discussion on this issue, I may have a full picture of what happened. What you can do, is to have a legal case submitted, this can go under special the circumstance wherein even if coins.ph would not divulge the identity of the individual but with pressure from a community, example our community, or if you can file a case legally, can have the court ask for coins.ph to do so. Have you been in contact with coins.ph? It is better if you can get in touch with their corporate department. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: smyslov on December 09, 2020, 12:21:43 PM Quote from: coins.ph We understand that you want to get more information regarding this matter. If you or someone you know wishes to pursue legal actions, they may report the incident to the Anti-Cybercrime Group nearest them. In the event that they reach out to us requesting for more information, we will be happy to coordinate and cooperate with them and provide any and all relevant information that they request from us to help their case. You may also inform them that they can reach out to us personally so that we can check on this incident better. If you have questions about this, feel free to reach out. I'm sure Asu is reading this if Coins.ph is open to helping Direwolf then he is in trouble of getting track and getting sued for fraud or estapa it's not a small money now that Bitcoin is going up, he will end up owing half a million in pesos to Direwolf, not an easy to get hat money, especially now that we are in pandemic. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: broke_tradah on March 29, 2024, 02:28:33 AM Heh wow, you sure got raked over the coals by the post miners (people who've sold their account to scammers who then abuse them). I'll never understand the point of no collateral crypto loans based soley on "forum cred". Most retarded thing I've ever seen heh. "Forum cred" is about as useful as used ass paper. Looks like TYM and ASU really took u for a ride. Just be grateful they didnt hit u with the other accounts they bought. You probably should have just put everything on 00 and let it ride. At least the odds would have been better.
Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: nutildah on March 29, 2024, 03:25:55 AM Heh wow, you sure got raked over the coals by the post miners (people who've sold their account to scammers who then abuse them)...Looks like TYM and ASU really took u for a ride. Just be grateful they didnt hit u with the other accounts they bought. Sounds like you're attempting to squirrel a little reputational blame shift here. These people didn't sell their accounts, they just turned out to be dirtbags. They were likely dirtbags all along (at least TYM was, I don't know so much about the case of asu). What a weird thread to bump for an even weirder reason. Dirtbags have come and dirtbags gone. Both shasan and DireWolfM14 continue to perform an important service out of the kindness of their heart, and for some reason they both still believe in the overall good of humanity. We need more people like that in the world; especially on the forum. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: pinggoki on March 29, 2024, 04:10:24 AM Sounds like you're attempting to squirrel a little reputational blame shift here. These people didn't sell their accounts, they just turned out to be dirtbags. They were likely dirtbags all along (at least TYM was, I don't know so much about the case of asu). What a weird thread to bump for an even weirder reason. I guess this comes with the business of having to lend your bitcoins to someone, you have the biggest risk since the collateral isn't really that worth to the person that's applying for the loan. I do agree that we need more people that are doing service for many out of believing in good and I also would like to add that we also need more people to protect this kind of people, let us do the dirty work for them while they do all the good things that they can do, it's not that difficult to do it here too, just a good call out on someone trying to finesse a good person is enough to make sure that dirtbags like them don't ever take advantage.Dirtbags have come and dirtbags gone. Both shasan and DireWolfM14 continue to perform an important service out of the kindness of their heart, and for some reason they both still believe in the overall good of humanity. We need more people like that in the world; especially on the forum. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: Timelord2067 on March 29, 2024, 05:39:33 AM @broke_tradah - some lenders are actually okay with having the occasional scammer walk off with the bag - then expect the rest of us to come in and support their scam accusation/flags against that user.
@nutildah - in the context of the above, DireWolfM14 chose to ignore the warning signs and then got burned. @pinggoki - there are others who lend from time to time, but increasingly, there aren't the checks and balances and as I said to broke_tradah, when the lender gets burned, they expect the rest of us to come in and mop up their mess with support of flags or scam accusations. Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: pinggoki on March 29, 2024, 05:54:46 AM @pinggoki - there are others who lend from time to time, but increasingly, there aren't the checks and balances and as I said to broke_tradah, when the lender gets burned, they expect the rest of us to come in and mop up their mess with support of flags or scam accusations. I think that it's a fair thing, that's the least that we can do for them since they're the one that's lending money, I find nothing wrong in doing that for them. I wouldn't say mop up the mess since we the supporters of the flag wouldn't be helping any other way to the people besides the flag support. Mopping up mess means we're solving the issue for them but I don't see it so I don't think that's the phrase that we're looking for on this one.Title: Re: Loan Default - asu u=519783 Post by: DireWolfM14 on March 29, 2024, 04:49:23 PM Heh wow, you sure got raked over the coals by the post miners (people who've sold their account to scammers who then abuse them). I'll never understand the point of no collateral crypto loans based soley on "forum cred". Most retarded thing I've ever seen heh. "Forum cred" is about as useful as used ass paper. Looks like TYM and ASU really took u for a ride. Just be grateful they didnt hit u with the other accounts they bought. You probably should have just put everything on 00 and let it ride. At least the odds would have been better. Man, you must have been seriously bored to bump this three-plus year old thread. You go ahead and gamble your money in a casino if that's that fits your risk profile, and I'll gamble on human nature. Out of those two is one more condemnable than the other? Is one a sin, and the other rewarded in spirit and conscious? I'll let you choose which is which. The tragedy would be gambling more than we can afford to lose, and putting our family at risk. Alhamdulillah, that's not the case in my situation. |
