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I recently got a message from a stranger on telegram and offered me his service. This guy acts like a reliable sports betting predictor with a good and profitable percentage of success. At the same time of course I don't need anyone else to decide what to choose as a team that I feature on sports betting because I can do it myself.

I just wanted to know a few things about this.
1. Have you ever received an offer similar to mine ?
2. What will you do with this offer ?
3. Does this look like a scam attempt ?
4. Do you feel that working with this person will only make you feel like a robot betting to give him a little "if you win" money ?

*Say something about this, I want to hear your opinion.

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When i do receive some random message from other people on telegram then i do mostly have those kind of negative perceptions towards it and most likely it
would really be put on ignore unless if it do really caught my interest.
Seeing on the image above where someone do try to offer some fixed match and getting the commision after you won then that isnt a bad deal since you
arent really needing to pay something but the question is, how he would proved out that those matches were fixed? or just simply random guess and if
you do won then you would need to give him some % of you winning? this is the case ive been seeing on this.

So in final i wont really be trusting these kind of offers yet no one will just randomly contact you and say "Hey i have some fix match information".. thats BS.

Telegram been use by spamming by some users who have said to be offering legit services, out of nowhere I was able to receive messages I don't know how come it message me or how come I was added in that group. If something got your attention then better just reseach in how it works and don't said too much of your details as well money.

I have received similar offers in telegram.
That's right, they pop out of nowhere and you will wonder how they got your contact.
To answer, will ignore the offer because it is unsolicited offer from a stranger.
In my opinion, it is a scam attempt. Better do your own bets without someone waiting for your winnings.
They won't care if you lose. Also, you can verify if he is indeed a platinum 3 member in stake if you ask his username.
Working with a stranger, is a no no for me. Later on, he may find something that can blackmail you.

I should go for it, first of all he is not asking for any advance payment I think it's worth a shot personally I haven't able to receive such topic even from before. May I know have you tried it? for what I've known there's no such thing as fixed match.

It's an obvious scam and you should avoid it.

Think about it - if he has guaranteed fixed matches as he claims, then why would he not just bet on them himself and make thousands of dollars/dozens of bitcoin in profit? Because they are not guaranteed at all and he is making this up.

This is a no risk scenario for him. He tells you to bet on team X with your money. You assume 100% of the risk. If team X wins, then you have to give him some of the winnings, and you both make a profit. If team Y wins, then you lose everything and he loses nothing.

If the matches were guaranteed he would bet on them himself. The reason he wants you to bet on them is because he is just blindly guessing and wants you to give him some of your winnings for nothing if he happens to guess correctly, while risking absolutely nothing himself.

Of course I've never been attracted to random messages like this one and I can easily ignore them.
I don't want to ask any more question about how it works so that it can minimize my losses, it's too wordy.

No, I don't trust just anyone who offers a service I don't want. I have told in the thread that I can do it myself without needing anyone else.
@ o_e_l_e_o, has given you a little more understanding not to try it.

That's what I thought, that's why I'm trying to tell the bitcoin community, especially gambler, never to believe in such a service. This thread is just a way to get them to think realistically. Thanks o_e_l_e_o.

For people who are really greedy then they would initially think off that they would make out sure profits without even thinking that theyre risking their money 100%
and they do just follow some random picks and yeah its been mentioned on how this scheme works.Thanks for sharing it up to the community buddy because there
are still people whom do believe that these things do work without even having some rethinking that if these fellas had really those kind of fixed information or matches
they would just simply bet their houses and all assets with that one shot and make them hella of a rich guy.

Probably a scam, probably not. But what are the chances that you will get your money back? What if you sent him like 1 BTC, he doubles it and then decides not to pay you? And why do you need him to  place bets for you? I mean yeah, he showed you a screenshot of back to back wins. Probably he got lucky. He is risking nothing over here. If you lose, it won't affect him. Again, if he is really good at betting, why is he betting with peoples money?
Oh, wait. It's a random guy you never met asking for money. Did you forget, stranger danger?

Me, I don't really entertain any person on telegram especially when he came out of no where like " I saw you on this one... blah blah blah " but upon checking I can't see any related groups and I can really feel that they are just lucky spotting, if you know that term they are messaging random person wishing they are interested in their shit. Just a friendly advice, don't trust anyone from telegram.

Kind of bs if you really think that this will work, this is just how scammers spend their time online don't fall for it.

Answer some of your questions. First, I never got a message like yours about the service. Second, I may not need to trust strangers. The third possibility is yes, it is like a trap for you because he never wants to take responsibility for your defeat after all. Fourth, it will turn you into a machine to make a few bucks when the guess is right and you win the bet.

Mate, You really don't have to trust it to provide accurate information about sports betting. If he can, then he doesn't have to tell you anything because he can win every sports bet. Only greedy people would try such a service. So just report the account as spam and your problem is over.

I get similar messages sometimes on telegram and other social media, it's not always a scam, it can be a targeted advertisement, based on your searches and activity. But this one might be a scam, I would've banned someone after receiving such an offer. If everything was the way this person says, why would he need you in the first place? If he knows the outcome, why wouldn't he just make large bets and keep all the profit for himself? Also, all this fixed matches thing is already fishy. Once again, why would he risk the exposure of that, considering that it's illegal? Why all that...if only there wasn't a catch somewhere?
My advice - ban.

This is already on my automatic ignore when someone do pops out into my notification about some messages that came out from nowhere.
If you arent expect some message from someone then the best thing to be one is to ignore and just simply skip out.I havent let myself fall
into these kind of obvious schemes of frauds and scams because if you do even have the small common sense within you then you can
easily spot out on what they are aiming or trying to do.

Stopped reading the message after the "guaranteed fixed matches" phrase, there is no room for scammers to suck the blood of victims thanks to the increasing proportion of educated gamblers. The scammers can use a simple HTML editor or F12 page edition function of Chromium type browsers in order to edit the page. Let alone getting the inside information about the fixed match, trying to sell this info can be the reason for the ban after the first strike.

Probably won't trust this.
It is just weird that a stranger will message you in a sudden offering a service you do not demanded in the first place. Although you won't give payment prior to 'pilot testing' of what he offered, knowing that he is demanding something could be a bit of a problem. Not to be a paranoid about this, but being preventive is better. Also, as to how I view gambling, it depends to one's luck and strategies in any form won't really work in order to come up with the win. But you are free to take his offer of you are really wanting to win in that site since conditions are somewhat fair.

Probably a scam. If we think of it, he guarantees fixed matches but why doesn't he just bet on that, and why does he need to bother asking you to bet and take an only commission if he can do it himself. These are just a few questions but once you think of it you will realize that he has something in mind that you shouldn't trust your money.

So far I have not received any type of message through Telegram.
Be careful, try to research the service better. Lately, Telegram is being used to spam, people who say they are offering legitimate services, but that could be some kind of scam

Receiving random message from random guys never give me a positive experience. Honestly, most of them are scammers who just try to steal your money. Otherwise, their services are awful. Do it with your own risk if you can afford your loss. There are many awesome predictors on bitcointalk with weekly update and profit calculat

Why should we trust an anonymous person while others are providing better services?

I think this is fake, it is strange to receive a message from someone you do not know. Especially if he offers something like this like fixed matches that there is really no guarantee at all. I haven't received any message like this even before, but will surely avoid this one since this is suspicious enough for everyone to avoid.

I'm not saying it is worth trying or a kind of scam. He never asked you for money but only commission if you win. Let see if he is really serious about his words but the moment that he asks you something in return for that prediction, then that is also the moment to stop talking with him because that it says a way to scam trick. Find it normal nowadays and we need to be cautious especially when it talks about money and that coming from strangers.  

I've also had several times the same offer on telegram, which I did ignore it. Because to me an offer like that looks like a scam,
unless the person who offers it is the one I already know. If there are strangers who ask for cooperation in any case, I usually
prefer to avoid it. Moreover, when dealing with other people related to money, it is very risky. So my advice is to ignore the
cooperation offer.

It seems like a scam attempt, maybe that person who messages you, messages many people, no one can predict the future so basically, they are just also guessing, and they just only saying those words so it will look real. Do not trust someone about that, they might just also waiting for the result of the event and hoping that there would be someone who will give commission on him/her.

Not yet, not an active user of telegram.
Just ignore the message, it is an obvious scam, predicting the future isn't possible.
Yes.
Yeah, or you just being a noob because you are giving someone money without doing anything.

Rule of thumb guys. Stranger danger eh? You have no idea what this person is or isn't capable of doing, and on top of that you're entrusting him with your money? That's how scammers win! Might as well ignore it and secure your money from loss rather than hope for a win which is heavily unlikely in this scenario. After all, loss prevention is still a win even without the gains.

Basically this person was exercising mendicancy, that's using it's own way of dealing to people who they think can give them a money as donation. In my own perceptions, it won't be associated to scam but rather deceiving people through internet. No poor person could use the internet if he's or she was into poverty since, they rather us it for food. We should get rid from these strangers and avoid having communication on them.

Exactly, don't deal with strangers on the internet or let say random people on the internet that you didn't know.
They will not waste their time entertaining someone if they don't have any motive on you for sure there is negative aside from the offering service.

You can try but don't spend money especially if when it times they will ask you financially. However, I can't judge them right now but you can try as what I have said above.

And before you know it, they will delete their account. Try it, if you ignore such offer, you will notice that they will delete their account. Though I didn't receive the same offer, but I received offers trying to fix  issue in the exchange, which of course I turned down. If you ignore them, you will find out later that they will delete their account. So that kind of service, is a scam for me.

The offer seems like a very good one, not having to pay upfront but only after a win. One thing the guy failed to look at is supposing there is a lose, what then happens? Would they be willing to share in the lose as much as they intend to share in the profit? Anything other than this makes it unreliable.
All the guy wants is for you to take all the risk over his presumably accurate prediction and should it turn out to be a win, you take the lion share as owner of investment and as the one who took all the risk while, the guy just mages a wage for applying sense on OP. That's just what it is, should the guy be absolutely sure the outcome was going to be exact as predicted, why should he or her need you to make the stake, he or she would have gone to get money from anywhere and stake it on that bet believing a refund once the game ends while he keeps the profit. Nice story huh! Don't be a victim!!

Yeah, it is only natural for many to not trust the people in Telegram, we all know the reputation of the people in that crevice of cyberspace. I do agree regarding offering fixed match betting and I think that it is not a lucrative way to earn a profit, first is that most of the offers are scam attempts targeted towards people that are naïve to the dangers of quick rich schemes. It is a given that when someone is divulging an information about something that involves money, and you think that it is too good to be true, it probably is. Lastly, use your logic and common sense, why would they give you a money generating information with that low commissions? They probably want to get your money of course.

I avoid any unsolicited message from telegram, this is here scammers roam around. I don't trust such an offer, first if it's a guaranteed fixed match then why would he share it and ask for profit than to bet on it himself. Anything that promises you easy money is a red flag. If ever there is an easy way to earn money, no one would share it, they will keep it themselves.

Yes, I have received an offer similar to this on telegram but the people that provide this offer are always a scammer.

Ignore it because the person that offers such a service can easily do it all by himself without involving you or anyone else. Mind you, this is the same scam strategy used by a scammer in a gambling chat room, and since you claim not to need anyone else to decide what to do for you then you better off without the guy's help.
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It's 100% a scam attempt.

No, working with him will only make you one of his victims.

I have received the same message and I think they usually get our contacts in the same Telegram groups that we have joined. It's complete spam and scam because it's too informal since you have received it from a stranger and it's honestly hard to trust people in Telegram these days. Scammers are now using Telegram because they could hide their identities there and they could hide in someone else's name. The best thing that we should do is just ignore them or block them as much as possible.

1. No, I don't receive an offer as what you received.
2. If I got it, I will delete the chat as soon as possible.
3. I don't know if that looks like a scam attempt or not, but I don't want to join on that offers.
4. Well, since I don't want to receive any offers like that, I don't think too much about that because I prefer to do it in my own way or ask for help from my friends, usually betting on the sport. I feel that I can trust my friends than the stranger.

If you get another chat like that, you don't have to follow him because we don't know if he really has that skill or just following other people's tips. So we need to be careful about any offers that we get from any social media.

Most likely that's a scam, I haven't joined any sports betting groups in telegram so I don't receive these offers. If someone started tipping some fixed matches I would instantly ignore them. From my perspective it's as close as buying picks from someone but it's much worse because you don't know if it's reliable and as oeleo pointed out if the matches are indeed fixed he could easily start with a $5 bet and roll it over hundreds of times without the need to offer this service in the first place.

No i have never received any message for sportsbetting Fixed matches by i already received some offers about How to make money specially in telegram in which the Nesting Place of Scammers.

What i usually do is Blocked/report the account ,and mostly i did not finish reading ,if i find the intent from the beginning.

I don't know whats on His back because he Offers commission after winning ,But he did not mentioned on how to do this.maybe it's better if the convo is further more so He will reveal whats the score .

This service seems like a scam to me most of the people who send messages to telegram are scammers in the case of betting, their offers are often inaccurate new gamblers often lose everything after falling into their trap. I have never accepted telegram's services they did not send the correct message and the information is incorrect therefore you have to check the reliability of the match it is not possible to guarantee work at telegram.

Nope or I just can't remember I already did but just a hunch maybe the guy and you are in the similar betting room on telegram. I do notice this once I'm in a telegram room and just make a simple chat then sooner or later there are these guys offering an obvious scam attempt, base on my experience.

Well, he offers it free and no risk I guess has been involved I think I'll try it on 20 bets or more before I do trust his picks.

I don't think it was but just observe maybe when you're winning he asks for more.

Somehow but I think it's nice that you both gain from it not just one party.

Hehehehe are you for real?

Think about this,
- If the bet is a losing one, only you will suffer.
- If the bet won, he will share with the winnings.

That person doesn't need an upfront. There is no risk on his part, not even a reputation since he's anonymous or can simply use fake names. I would only agree to this kind of deal if he would offer to refund me if the bet loses and use a reputable escrow.

Wasn't there one about the same issue just a few months ago iirc? Someone had the same issue with you (that, or someone actually said they have insider info, I don't really remember anymore) and honestly, seemed pretty stupid.

To answer you, I've never really received them, mostly cause I don't use Telegram. I avoided it after my inbox list became plagued with people trying to scam me and the like. And If I ever did receive one, I'd probably just leave it to rot there, forever. Well, I would never honestly believe in any type of tips about "fixed" matches or something, heck I don't care about it. I care if a match is fixed, but if someone knows it's "fixed", the hell do I care, you're a random dude from the net why would I believe you. And one more thing, images as proofs are most likely a thing of the past already most of the time, especially if sent arbitrarily without any proofs or the like, it'd just make it seem more and more fake.

For the robot feeling, well, if you're money minded, even without this dude, you'd be plenty of a robot yourself already imo. A person who just bets for the sake of winning more money is kind of like that, not everyone ofc, but some are like that.

This "francis" guy is well known on the Stake community to be a scammer for several years now. Not sure if you are new to Stake but probably you stayed off the drama chats and thus never came to know about it.

Of course this is a scam, remember that making an account on stake is free and upgrading that account to higher VIP statuses takes wagering to reach so this creates the demand/supply for aged accounts just like older members accounts on this forum and others.

But the team behind Stake is very cautious about stolen accounts and so and thus you only risk your money if the person saying so is legit and trying to sell it. Either way you will be at risk.

Be careful of such PMs and it is best to block them without even wasting a single moment over it.

yes there is . the guy post a topic on the gambling board on this forum with the same message saying that he is from stake casino and have a platinum account . i replied on that thread of him before but i forgot the title now , really want to search it and post the link on here for the sake of other users to know  .

 it was only funny on telegram because he have a sportsbet logo as his profile pic but he talks that he was from stake lol .

If I get a message from a person I don't know, I will not reply or do something, but I will read the message. And if I see that the message gives an offer like that, I will not visit or accepted that offer because I don't know if that is true or fake. There are many ways for scammers to trick people, and that message can be one of many ways they use to scam us.

You can avoid that message or even block the message, so they can not send another message to you. I think that is what happens in Telegram, and you need to be careful. It will no guarantee that we can be safe all day long.

If that person never ask any payment or money for that service and you are the one who will bet with it. Then it's ok to try his service it's almost free , just try it first with  only small amount of capital to roll, and if you lost from the team   he suggest then better not to contact that person anymore and do bet by your self.

No, I didn't receive such offer on my inbox in telegram. But I have different experience too.

If anyone offer me by acting similar ways, I will definitely ignore such offer because I don't know him or her personally.

Yes, it seems like a scam attempt to me. He or she can give offer anyone but not like this way. It should be ignored.

I will ignore him without giving him or her more chances of discussion anymore. If you work with such types of people then you should give him a percentage for doing this. It's common and very simple to imagine that none can do anything without any profit or persona interest.

One thing I will advise you Mate,Never entertain Strangers in social media  not unless you are the one who approach first because it is not decent to Message a person offering profiteering when you don't know each other.

Because if there is some people that will trust that people or those who will be priority in His profit Offer those are His friends and family,and not strangers like us so why approaching us if they are legit?

I've never received an offer like that, but if it came to me maybe I would give it a try. Anyway, he didn't receive any payment at the start either, right? With him only accepting the commission after we get the win maybe it can be discussed, because if the rules are he only gives a tip then we make the bet ourselves and not him, I think there's nothing wrong with trying because after all, if the bet wins then the result will go to the account or our own wallet. As long as we can control our own money, I think there is nothing wrong with trying, but it all comes back to yourself, because for me when he was purely just giving tips there was no scam attempt, it's different if we give him money in advance it will obviously better to avoid it.

I Have received almost same offer year ago but different from this because the one offers me a Fee before the deal meaning It is an obvious scam because money first.

But this one is different since He will take the commission right after the game meaning of you win?
The only problem is that the Fixing games is legit and will really make you win?what if this is just a trap or something alike?

and also lets not entertain cheating mate,be a fair and responsible gambler this will attract more luck .

He knows who will win. So? Isn't that obvious?
He can do it himself and yet he needs random people to do it?
No friends either?  :D

Obviously, you know what to do. Run. Don't even try to look like you are inviting them to scam you or else they won't stop and maybe the next day a new user will PM you telling the same details with just a different name and sweeter words.

For me I think it would be a scam. I don't think fixed game is true just I've been in sports betting for a while now and I haven't seen any fixed game or maybe I was not aware of it. I was just curious why don't he just placed bets for himself and needs another person to place bet and take commission on his winnings.

ya.ya.yo!

He/she is offering you "Fixed matches"  for commission? I guess fixed matches are illegal in most/all countries because they're not real/fair competitions and are they not based on established rules for such competitions/games.
 By the way, I believe it shouldn't be right/legal to bet on competitions we already know have been rigged. If their outcome have really been known or fixed illegally then it's not a good idea to bet on them.


I won't be surprised if they arranging fake (or fixed) competitions just to make money by getting people to bet on them and selling the outcome to others.

Mostly those members that taking you in other groups are someone you have with a certain group so they can easily add your name in any group.
And that really sucks that your Telegram will be spammed by those members.
and there comes a time that will message you offering random things that may attract you to fill in.
Thats the Funny thing that How on earth a Big and respectable games and team can be fixed ,if this is true then this is a Wide spread syndicate.
Yeah better do not engaged and just block them unless your purpose is like this.to Place them into public knowledge so others know if they received something like this.

Looks good because he's only going to ask you commission if his picks are going to win. But just like the thought of others on it being a scam, he shouldn't even ask someone to take his bets and picks if he's a good picker.

He should bet on his own and let his own predictions bring him the bacon. As we know, many good and legit predictions are going to cost you money and this one is too good to be true.

You can considered it as scam by just looking to his profile because there is confusion to what he said, telegram is full of scammers so for me it is the reason why you should not believe if someone message you where there is high possibility that this person can deceive you. I also do not believe on fixed matches because I only bet in sports that I fully understand like basketball, boxing and MMA. If you believe in that kind of scammer for sure you will incur two losses which is the fee to pay the service and also the loss that you incur because of their bad service. Why not improve your own strategy in terms of betting and it may help you to become a profitable gambler. Be dependent in yourself and do not let others to fool you.

Well, that way you could say he is just betting with people's money and I don't think he knows the outcome of matches at all.

He just as easily can PM 100 people on telegram that he knows are active gamblers and ask them if they would give them a fee in return for his prediction, if his prediction turned out to be right they will give him a fee but the real question is what happens if his prediction is wrong and the person lose money?

In short: that random person that PMs people and is asking for fee in case his prediction is right has nothing to lose while the person that is betting with his money does.

I'm not sure if it's legitimate or not but we can see that he is not asking anything upfront if someone send me that message I think I would give it a chance though I'm not sure if fixed match is true but since it's a commission based I think I could go for it.

You all have the right to determine how to bet including trying to use the service. He will absolutely not give you any assurance that his prediction is correct and he will never want to take responsibility for your loss. I have already told you that this seem like a nebulous attempt at scam, as first this person comes and offers his service at random and second is the worst way to fool yourself and the ability to pick which team you can put on your list.

You should know that, the last question that person asked me was "Are you interested in using this service?" and simply answering "No and thanks" has got me blocked.  :D

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Thank you for taking the time to answer and provide your opinion on my question. Hopefully all of you can control yourself so that you don't become greedy gambler and also not easily influenced to try something that comes randomly. You don't have to trust people you don't know. Your money is your responsibility to keep it safe. Avoid anything that looks suspicious, hopefully we are always protected. That is all.

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