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Title: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on December 22, 2020, 06:42:19 AM
I would like to reach out to the community to find out the plagiarism rules again.
If a user copies someone else's article or a post from the forum, then translates it into another language, and posts a new post in the locale into which the text was translated.
Is this considered plagiarism, with the condition that there are absolutely no links to sources? That is, we can assume that the person who wrote the post assumes the authorship.
I have submitted several reports to the moderators, but they have remained unverified.
Maybe I don't understand something? I've seen translations of posts in the past, but there have always been links to the source and authors.
Has anything changed since then?

Plagiarism (copy paste).
User: Cryptomint9 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2889812)
Post link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5300187.msg55831530#msg55831530
[ archive (https://web.archive.org/web/20201215070046/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5300187.msg55831530) ]



The same plagiarism, the same text, but for some reason, it was forgiven by the moderators, today appears in Spanish without providing a link to the source.
I ask you to ban this account, since the person does not read the rules, but is only looking for ways to cheat.





Another plagiarism has been completely translated into Spanish by google translator.
Note that while on the bitcointalk.org forum, he didn't even bother to change the text.
This is not the first time this user has been plagiarized. Look for trust.



The next plagiarism, which is also copied and translated into Spanish via Google Translate.

¡Esta sería la primera vez que informo sobre un determinado sitio falso de electrum y descarga que está siendo fijado por Google Ads!  Al principio, trato de no consultar el sitio porque necesito una billetera electrum para mi escritorio.  Como parte del control de seguridad, leí el sitio y algo no estaba bien.  Entonces comencé a sospechar y a navegar por otro sitio para verificar y comparar los resultados después de usar el motor de búsqueda de Google.  Entonces, afortunadamente descubrí que el sitio de la billetera electrum bitcoin que intenté descargar era un sitio falso.

 ¡Así que aquí está la captura de pantalla que tomé del sitio falso de electrum que estaba siendo fijado por los anuncios de Google!  Espero recibir ayuda para denunciar este sitio falso.  ¡Gracias!

https://i.imgur.com/SkXepIP.jpg

Beware of this Fake site below!
https://xn--lectrum-s8a.org/#home

https://i.imgur.com/x7Y87yN.jpg
https://web.archive.org/web/20201222060846/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5300769.msg55847880

Good Day!

This would be my first time to report about a certain fake electrum site and download which is being pinned by Google Ads! At first I try not to check the site because I am in need of an electrum wallet for my desktop. As part of security check I did read the site and something was not right. So I began suspecting and browse another site to check and compare the results after using the google search engine. So, luckily I found out that the site of electrum bitcoin wallet I tried to download was a fake site.

So here is the screenshot I took from the fake electrum site which was being pinned by the google ads! I hope to get help to report this fake site. Thanks!

Google Pinned Ads!

https://i.imgur.com/x7Y87yN.jpg


Quote
Beware of this Fake site below!
https://xn--lectrum-s8a.org/#home



https://web.archive.org/web/20201222061119/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5299598.msg55816320

https://i.ibb.co/DGtpcvH/Screenshot-1.png (https://ibb.co/vsHYyT6)



Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: NotATether on December 22, 2020, 10:32:32 AM
The obvious logic one would use is that if you copy and paste anyone's post and put it in an image, translate it or do whatever then you are required to include a link to the original post or else provide appropriate attribution.

That example you posted is plagiarism with this thinking.


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: Pmalek on December 22, 2020, 10:33:05 AM
The first thread of his you linked to (the one about crypto millionaires) has been deleted. The mods obviously considered it as plagiarism. The posts in Spanish are still there. Maybe no mod wants to handle the reports yet because they don't know the language. Does the Spanish sub-forum have a local mod? Maybe getting him involved would help your case. PM him about it and if he agrees with you, he can contact his forum superiors.     


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: DdmrDdmr on December 22, 2020, 10:40:30 AM
<…>
Yes, the Spanish forum does have a standing moderator (@Welsh), who normally deals with the reports swiftly enough (at least by my experience), although I reported @Cryptomint9 thrice something like 5 days ago, on three different posts following the same pattern, and those reports are still unhandled. I do report in English, although reports in Spanish are just as easily dealt with over there.


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: Marvelman on December 22, 2020, 10:42:29 AM
As far as I've heard, users have been kicked out for much less before. I guess there are some double standards on the forum.
 ???


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on December 22, 2020, 11:05:23 AM
As far as I've heard, users have been kicked out for much less before. I guess there are some double standards on the forum.
 ???

Perhaps we would understand that forgiving a newcomer is the only case of his plagiarism. But it becomes regular with this account. He abuses and comes up with different options. And that's what's annoying. Earlier, as you say, and you are right, there were smaller violations, due to which many people left the forum.
Therefore, I believe that today, despite the upcoming holidays or, on the contrary, a pandemic, such concessions cannot be made.


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: AB de Royse777 on December 22, 2020, 11:34:09 AM
If a user copies someone else's article or a post from the forum, then translates it into another language, and posts a new post in the locale into which the text was translated.
Is this considered plagiarism, with the condition that there are absolutely no links to sources? That is, we can assume that the person who wrote the post assumes the authorship.
It can be taken as a translation, but I think the user needs to make it clear in the topic title that this is a translation. They can include the source if they want but as long as it says translation they should be fine.

However, if this is a translation using any automatic translation software then there are things to be concerned. And these days users also your article spinning software too. If the translated lines and formation of the words are following a specific pattern then this will surely be an article spinning using automatic software.


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: Lucius on December 22, 2020, 11:55:28 AM
Maybe no mod wants to handle the reports yet because they don't know the language.    

That's probably what it's all about, because every case of plagiarism is carefully considered before a final decision is made - and given the language barrier, there is a wait for someone who will undoubtedly be able to make the right decision. Given the time of year and the overall situation we need to have an understanding that everything is going a bit slow - therefore I do not think this case will remain unresolved, it is only a matter of time.


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: Daniel91 on December 22, 2020, 12:14:40 PM
I think it is important to distinguish the original idea from the copied idea or thought.
Whether someone's idea or text is transferred from the same language or translated from another language, it is still a copied text and not the original text.
The original author should be mentioned and it is not right for someone else to take the credit.
I think the same rules should apply, regardless of whether it is the same language or translation.
Someone put effort into writing some text, analysis, thinking, anything and someone else just copied (and translated using the Google tool in seconds) and took it as if it were his original work.
That's just not right.


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: The Cryptovator on December 22, 2020, 12:55:44 PM
If a user copies someone else's article or a post from the forum, then translates it into another language, and posts a new post in the locale into which the text was translated.
Is this considered plagiarism, with the condition that there are absolutely no links to sources? That is, we can assume that the person who wrote the post assumes the authorship.
Such as post should mark as obvious plagiarism. Adding source links would consider as translation, otherwise, it should consider plagiarism. I can't find any reasonable excuse why shouldn't it consider plagiarism. I don't know why your report still pending, perhaps it would easier to handle for local moderators. You can report to the moderator from the local board as well with the post link that you made reported on the LoyceV thread. So, local moderators would notice and take action against plagiariser. 


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on December 22, 2020, 01:01:40 PM
You can report to the moderator from the local board as well with the post link that you made reported on the LoyceV thread. So, local moderators would notice and take action against plagiariser. 

I agree and think that moderator @Welsh will see this thread and draw the right conclusions. :)


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: SquirrelJulietGarden on December 22, 2020, 02:50:21 PM
It is plagiarism but if moderators feel softer to ban users, it can be why Cryptomint9 is not banned. If Cryptomint9 plagiarized few times and is reported, ban will be taken place.

People really should be given a warning about plagiarism as obviously not all plagiarism is equal. There's obviously a huge difference between someone who comes here and tries to milk signature campaigns or farm accounts by using someone else's postings either from this forum or elsewhere but if someone just posts an incorrectly quoted/sourced answer from google to a question someone asked then that really shouldn't be the end of their account. A warning or at the very most a short temp ban should be enough.
Obviously most of us know that plagiarism is wrong but sometimes it's just down to naivety more than anything and a lot of time won't be done with malicious intent with or without a signature. We also really need to get that welcome message sorted where users are urged to read the rules or are given a handful of the most important ones upon sign-up. That alone would stop a lot of this from ever happening.


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: libert19 on December 23, 2020, 04:26:12 AM
I despise who copy paste every single line then put the source at the end of it to rub their hands off, I don't understand how forum let go of such posts either. 


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: Marvelman on December 23, 2020, 11:16:24 PM
I despise who copy paste every single line then put the source at the end of it to rub their hands off, I don't understand how forum let go of such posts either. 

If you ask me, I'd delete every one of those posts unless they're in the Press category of the forum. If someone wants to convey some information from an external source, all they have to do is set up a link to that content. There is no need to copy word by word when there is no added value to the original content.


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: zasad@ on December 25, 2020, 11:00:38 AM
The obvious logic one would use is that if you copy and paste anyone's post and put it in an image, translate it or do whatever then you are required to include a link to the original post or else provide appropriate attribution.

That example you posted is plagiarism with this thinking.

Plagiarism posting does not apply to images. This was confirmed by Global Moderator.

Thank you all for your answers, I think the discussion of this issue has been exhausted. / Below is the answer by mprep (Global Moderator).

Quote
Quote from: icopress
33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.[e] - Does this rule apply to images?
Quote from: mprep
AFAIK no, it doesn't apply to images.
Quote from: icopress
Thank you, can I quote you?
Quote from: mprep
Feel free.

But now I don't know if this rule applies to all pictures with text in them or not.
But if you look at many topics, we can see that many users insert pictures with texts, and they were not accused of plagiarism.


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: Marvelman on December 26, 2020, 09:26:44 AM
But now I don't know if this rule applies to all pictures with text in them or not.
But if you look at many topics, we can see that many users insert pictures with texts, and they were not accused of plagiarism.


They should be. Plagiarism is plagiarism, whether it is text, image or text in an image.


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: DdmrDdmr on December 26, 2020, 10:15:28 AM
It is plagiarism but if moderators feel softer to ban users, it can be why Cryptomint9 is not banned. If Cryptomint9 plagiarized few times and is reported, ban will be taken place.<…>
Well on the 17/12/2020, I reported three different posts that appeared on my local board, created by @Cryptomint9. All three were copy/[google]translate/paste without a source. Two were copied from Cryptotalk of all places, and another one copied/[google]translated from @jademaxsuy.

Strangely enough, one of the three reports is marked as good (the other two remain unhandled), but the posts the report refers to remains where it was, and the poster is still not banned.


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: LoyceV on December 26, 2020, 10:29:53 AM
They should be. Plagiarism is plagiarism, whether it is text, image or text in an image.
I think it's implied images aren't created by whoever posts it. I wouldn't like it if someone just takes an image I created though.



I think plagiarism rules need an update. It's not that difficult to start a copied text with "I copied/translated this from xx", followed by quote-tags.


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: Marvelman on December 27, 2020, 12:53:47 PM

I think plagiarism rules need an update. It's not that difficult to start a copied text with "I copied/translated this from xx", followed by quote-tags.

Yeah. I couldn't agree more. Surely this approach would help to set aside any misunderstanding.
Proper quotation and proper attribution of quotations and there is no need for plagiarism.


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on January 02, 2021, 06:58:18 AM
I don't know how many plagiarism perks the moderators will give to this user. But I again observe insolent plagiarism, in two sections of the forum at once. And as always, without providing links to the source.

Plagiarism (copy paste).
User: Cryptomint9 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2889812)
Post link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5305488.msg55986545#msg55986545
[ archive (https://web.archive.org/web/20210102061921/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5305488.msg55986545) ]


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Also, this topic without source is translated and is in the Pakistani section

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg55995805#msg55995805
https://web.archive.org/web/20210102065550/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg55995805

Is the whole topic still missing proving that this account is constantly copying everything from the Internet?


Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: Rikafip on January 02, 2021, 09:27:35 AM
@lovesmayfamilis I know that it probably won't have any effect, but have you tried contacting @Cryptomint9 (beside leaving him neutral tag), explaining him that what he is doing is wrong and that he should stop with this because he will most likely get banned? I know that ignorance is not a valid reason for breaking the forum rules, but I am just curious why he keeps doing the same thing.


I think plagiarism rules need an update. It's not that difficult to start a copied text with "I copied/translated this from xx", followed by quote-tags.
+1

Either expand the plagiarism rule or at least forum staff should start deleting all those copy/pasted walls of texts that weren't formatted properly. Rule nr 1 says "No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads." so there is already basis for deletion.


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: bullrun2024bro on January 02, 2021, 09:45:52 AM
I don't know how many plagiarism perks the moderators will give to this user. But I again observe insolent plagiarism, in two sections of the forum at once. And as always, without providing links to the source.

Plagiarism (copy paste).
User: Cryptomint9 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2889812)
Post link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5305488.msg55986545#msg55986545
[ archive (https://web.archive.org/web/20210102061921/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5305488.msg55986545) ]



Also, this topic without source is translated and is in the Pakistani section

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg55995805#msg55995805
https://web.archive.org/web/20210102065550/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg55995805

Is the whole topic still missing proving that this account is constantly copying everything from the Internet?

Good catch @lovesmayfamilis. I also don't understand why this user isn't banned already. I just reported all the posts you mentioned again and hope the moderators will take some action soon.



I think plagiarism rules need an update. It's not that difficult to start a copied text with "I copied/translated this from xx", followed by quote-tags.

Agreeing 100%! That would be a great idea. I honestly can not understand why many users find it so difficult to indicate the original source.


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: LoyceV on January 02, 2021, 10:09:03 AM
I honestly can not understand why many users find it so difficult to indicate the original source.
Bitcointalk is the only forum I frequently visit that even cares about plagiarism, and in many cases it's just very convenient to quickly show a certain text. For as long as I can remember "the internet" is just a place where people just copy content from other places. Some people (https://www.metro.us/everything-to-know-about-facemash-the-site-zuckerberg-created-in-college-to-rank-hot-women/) even used it as a stepping stone to become billionaires.
Let's face (pun intended) it: most people simply don't care.


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: Rikafip on January 02, 2021, 10:25:17 AM
I honestly can not understand why many users find it so difficult to indicate the original source.
Bitcointalk is the only forum I frequently visit that even cares about plagiarism, and in many cases it's just very convenient to quickly show a certain text.
My experience is exactly the same, bitcointalk is the only forum that I know where plagiarism is taken seriously. But, even on other forums, reputable and experienced members simply  don't plagiarize (and when I say they don't plagiarize that means they are also formatting copied text properly) no matter the rules. That is just matter of basic posting etiquette and I wish more people realize that.


That would be a great idea. I honestly can not understand why many users find it so difficult to indicate the original source.
I see at least two reasons:
  • Ignorance. For many this is the first forum they ever used so they don't know what's the proper way to deal with copied material and how to format copied text properly.
  • Merit fishing. If you indicate right from the beginning that what you are sharing is copied material, chances for merit goes down. Especially if you don't add anything of your own.


Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on January 02, 2021, 10:31:36 AM
@lovesmayfamilis I know that it probably won't have any effect, but have you tried contacting @Cryptomint9 (beside leaving him neutral tag), explaining him that what he is doing is wrong and that he should stop with this because he will most likely get banned? I know that ignorance is not a valid reason for breaking the forum rules, but I am just curious why he keeps doing the same thing.



I did not write to him in a personal, but several times left messages in his threads. I don't know what to do with it. Probably, to stop his plagiarism, I need to pay him, maybe then he will become more attentive to the rules.
But seriously, I have doubts about its adequacy.

Try to be honest, and first, it is important for yourself. You probably already noticed that I closely follow your posts. And posing as either Spaniard or Pakistani, it is important to remain who you are.
You were lucky. You were not banned. Now, try to think with your head. Study bitcoin, and not news search,  translate the same thing over and over again. While this is not bad, you should not pass off the fact that you have taken from the Internet as for your thoughts and advice. It doesn't work here.
In any case, stay safe, and respect those who are on this forum next to you.


Make a wish to be honest on the forum and not fool all members of the forum by assigning other people's articles, translating, and not posting links to the owners of these articles.
Perhaps on Christmas Eve you will have an understanding or a conscience will wake up, and you will stop plagiarizing. And to all newcomers who are "helped" by the OP today, I also advise you not to chase a freebie, but to learn to think with your head.
Happy Holidays!


And what a shame, he read it and continues to copy. Do you think this is normal?

Quote
Make a wish to be honest on the forum and not fool all members of the forum by assigning other people's articles, translating, and not posting links to the owners of these articles.
Perhaps on Christmas Eve you will have an understanding or a conscience will wake up, and you will stop plagiarizing.

I have seen you have reported my posts and I really thank to you that you have given a knowledge because I don't know much more about this forum.
And better is that always learn from the mistakes.
And I have learnt. I will never make this mistake again.
I will make a topic if I have full knowledge about it otherwise not.
And thanks for reporting and for giving me a right way.

 ???  ???  ??? >:( >:( >:(


Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: Rikafip on January 02, 2021, 10:44:58 AM
I did not write to him in a personal, but several times left messages in his threads. I don't know what to do with it. Probably, to stop his plagiarism, I need to pay him, maybe then he will become more attentive to the rules.
But seriously, I have doubts about its adequacy.
Then you did what you could, and he can't even say that he didn't know about the issue (not that would absolve him anyway) as he continued doing the same thing, and probably won't stop until he gets banned. To quote one line from a classic movie, "Some men you just can't reach".

I also reported  to mods that last plagiarism case, hopefully that helps and he gets removed from this forum. At least until he comes back with a new account.


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: Lucius on January 02, 2021, 02:01:13 PM
Bitcointalk is the only forum I frequently visit that even cares about plagiarism, and in many cases it's just very convenient to quickly show a certain text.

I may be wrong, but I am not aware that there is another forum that allows its users to make money just by participating in various discussions. As we could see in that big wave of banned users, a significant percentage of them just went down the line of the least resistance and instead of the original content engaged in plagiarism. If this rule was not so strict, I am sure that many would still pretend to be smart members by presenting other people's achievements as their own.



I also reported  to mods that last plagiarism case, hopefully that helps and he gets removed from this forum. At least until he comes back with a new account.

Since the user has publicly thanked for the warning and promised not to repeat the same mistake, and he still does - I don't think he understands what plagiarism is, there is no other explanation. It seems that I will also join those who will report his posts, because it is really not clear to me that there is still no penalty for and more than an obvious violation of the rules.


Title: Re: Isn't that plagiarism anymore?
Post by: Rikafip on January 02, 2021, 04:51:02 PM
Since the user has publicly thanked for the warning and promised not to repeat the same mistake, and he still does - I don't think he understands what plagiarism is, there is no other explanation. It seems that I will also join those who will report his posts, because it is really not clear to me that there is still no penalty for and more than an obvious violation of the rules.
That would be a logical conclusion given his behavior and ignoring the warnings, but based on his post history somehow I think that he is perfectly aware of what he is doing. In the last month or so since he registered, he created more than 20 topics and you will agree that's quite a lot for a new forum member. My guess is that this is just an older user trying to farm the merit and somehow get to signature campaign once he reaches at least Member rank.

So far he had more luck than brain to avoid ban for plagiarism, but I hope that changes soon and he gets what he deserved weeks ago.


Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: Cryptomint9 on January 02, 2021, 05:44:50 PM
@lovesmayfamilis I know that it probably won't have any effect, but have you tried contacting @Cryptomint9 (beside leaving him neutral tag), explaining him that what he is doing is wrong and that he should stop with this because he will most likely get banned? I know that ignorance is not a valid reason for breaking the forum rules, but I am just curious why he keeps doing the same thing.


I think plagiarism rules need an update. It's not that difficult to start a copied text with "I copied/translated this from xx", followed by quote-tags.
+1

Either expand the plagiarism rule or at least forum staff should start deleting all those copy/pasted walls of texts that weren't formatted properly. Rule nr 1 says "No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads." so there is already basis for deletion.
This is the right way. I don't know why they are just trying to catch me. If I am adding something good and informative and trying to give a good information so how it can plagiarism.
One more thing if I am making a post by getting data from different websites so I am making easy to the members like they will not go through all. They will get the whole information from one post.
If this is plagiarism so listen all of you (is am are and other simple words) also plagiarism.
Thanks and enough.


Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on January 02, 2021, 06:00:20 PM
I'm right. And many times I'm right! I didn't plagiarize. BLA BLA

When copying, as you say, "useful information" you must have the author of this information and the presence of a link from where you copied. And everything that you decided to “teach”, you once again pass off as your own “work”.
Is it possible that all the "valuable" information that you have hard-won belongs to you? Or are users so stupid that they can't read and find them on their own?
Why is the entire forum obliged to live by the rules, and you decided to adjust them as it is convenient for you?


Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: Rikafip on January 02, 2021, 06:02:11 PM
If I am adding something good and informative and trying to give a good information so how it can plagiarism.
Maybe Lucius was right and you really don't understand what plagiarism is, so let me explain you.

Every time you are copying someone else's work without providing link to the original source, you are plagiarizing. Furthermore, when you are copying someone else's text  you are supposed to put those parts inside quotation marks so it is immediately obvious to everyone which are your own words and which are copied parts.

An example: You stumbled upon an interesting article and you want to share it with bitcointalk members. Proper way is to copy paragraph or two (and properly format it using quotation marks), share the link to the article and then you leave your own personal opinion on the matter. There is  no need to copy whole article, as those interested can always read the article on the website.
 



Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: Cryptomint9 on January 02, 2021, 06:04:20 PM
I know soon I will get banned soon because many members are now against me.
Hahaha!
But thing is that all have no knowledge how to guide.
Thanks for reporting dear friends I was thinking that this forum will help me more and give me more information and it gave and I collected.
But the members have no knowledge that how to guide a person or new members they just try to show plagiarism and they don't want the new persons and they think that the newbies only come for the merits.
I was also thinking that but I leave that idea.
And I was thinking to give knowledge which I think that is best.
And do you know about this how much a good post take time.?
I try to collect more and more data. My last post which all of you are saying that is plagiarism haha! It takes 2 days.
The portion which she mentioned as plagiarism. I searched first and check that is this the correct data? And one more thing I didn't get this data from this article which she has mentioned.

Anyways I have seen that you all have no knowledge how to guide a person. Some of you guide me very well and I appreciate them with the comment.
Thanks to all.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Its your forum make it good for you.
I have lost my hope to get knowledge.


Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: Cryptomint9 on January 02, 2021, 06:09:44 PM
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An example: You stumbled upon an interesting article and you want to share it with bitcointalk members. Proper way is to copy paragraph or two (and properly format it using quotation marks), share the link to the article and then you leave your own personal opinion on the matter. There is  no need to copy whole article, as those interested can always read the article on the website.

That is the way to teach. Thanks for sharing.
But now I know these are my last days.
So I can't say that I will try to my best to right the post like you teached.


Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: DdmrDdmr on January 02, 2021, 06:17:25 PM
<…>
Plagiarism accusations here is avoidable, simply by adding a reference to the source. Ideally, one should be clear near the beginning of the posts on whether the posts are copied or translated – that would seem like a normal thing to do to contextualize the information thereafter provided. Lacking the prior indicators, one cannot tell whether the intention is informative or appropriative in nature.

Regardless, you did perform a copy/google translate/paste on a few posts on the Spanish local board. You haven’t though posted any comments there that I’m aware of, so it’s not possible to assert whether you do or don’t know the Spanish language. It would be one hell of a weird thing to do if you do not master the language...


Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: JohnBitCo on January 02, 2021, 06:18:28 PM
Anyways I have seen that you all have no knowledge how to guide a person. Some of you guide me very well and I appreciate them with the comment.
Thanks to all.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Its your forum make it good for you.
I have lost my hope to get knowledge.

You have been on the forum for a month and this time is enough for anyone to know the rules of the forum. Also there are no second chances for plagiarism specially when you are doing it multiple times and also trying to translate articles in your local language so no one can catch you.
You are not so innocent as you are trying to show after being caught.


Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: Cryptomint9 on January 02, 2021, 06:22:28 PM
Anyways I have seen that you all have no knowledge how to guide a person. Some of you guide me very well and I appreciate them with the comment.
Thanks to all.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Its your forum make it good for you.
I have lost my hope to get knowledge.

You have been on the forum for a month and this time is enough for anyone to know the rules of the forum. Also there are no second chances for plagiarism specially when you are doing it multiple times and also trying to translate articles in your local language so no one can catch you.
You are not so innocent as you are trying to show after being caught.
Haha!
Thanks dear. Thanks for your comment on me.
Yes I am not innocent.


Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: Cryptomint9 on January 02, 2021, 06:24:03 PM
And if you all are thinking that I am making the good posts only to get merits so
So keep all merits in your pocket I don't want them I just want knowledge.
If I will find a good article so I will share it with you with the link.

Many of you think that the newbies only come for the merits or for the bounty you might be right but keep in yourind that five fingers are not equal.


Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: JohnBitCo on January 02, 2021, 06:55:15 PM
And if you all are thinking that I am making the good posts only to get merits so
So keep all merits in your pocket I don't want them I just want knowledge.
If I will find a good article so I will share it with you with the link.

Many of you think that the newbies only come for the merits or for the bounty you might be right but keep in yourind that five fingers are not equal.

I think you are still not getting the point there.

There is nothing wrong if newbies search for merits (by quality posting) and also if anyone want to hunt bounty, he can do so. But what you are doing is plagiarism which is not allowed.


Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: Rengga Jati on January 02, 2021, 09:52:42 PM
Whether this moderator or forum allows it or not, basically this is included in plagiarism translation. namely where we take text from a source and then change it to another language, use or post it without including the source link. This is clearly plagiarism.
As I quote from Translation Plagiarism: A Modern Day Concern (https://www.plagramme.com/translation-plagiarism-modern-day-concern):
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Whether you are familiar with the term or not, translation plagiarism is a relatively new way that individuals are copying another’s written work. It involves taking written content and translating it to another language in hopes of reduced plagiarism detection.
Maybe we need to report more about this kind of thing.
Or maybe the moderator did not detect the same text because it was only briefly so that plagiarism did not appear.




Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: FatFork on January 03, 2021, 09:02:17 AM
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Many of you think that the newbies only come for the merits or for the bounty you might be right but keep in yourind that five fingers are not equal.

You're wrong. You can't possibly know what many of us think, and there are countless examples of newbie members making good progress on the forum with their positive contributions and engagement. Well, we were all newbies at some point.

But violating the forum rules is not the way to go. And you're still doing this. You're making multiple posts in a row, even though you should know it's against the rules.
 


Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: JohnBitCo on January 03, 2021, 10:25:48 AM
Why @Cryptomint9 is still not banned for plagiarism ? He has now started making fun of it  :(

I Think This is Good Luck. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5306373.msg56007784#msg56007784)
https://archive.is/Y1XB0


Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: Lucius on January 03, 2021, 11:18:45 AM
Maybe Lucius was right and you really don't understand what plagiarism is, so let me explain you.

And it is more evident that he does not want to accept that what he is doing is bad, and he also cannot understand that he only needs to add a source link so that no one can accuse him of plagiarism. Someone wrote about the cultural differences that can affect how someone perceives exactly this sort of things, and I think that we see in this case - to me and the majority of users such things would never come to mind, we realize it’s a bad thing.



Why @Cryptomint9 is still not banned for plagiarism ? He has now started making fun of it  :(

I reported the post from here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5302477.msg55996796#msg55996796), and it is marked as good (deleted), but the user in question is still active, so maybe we have some new rules when it comes to plagiarism - or is it just a matter of time?


Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on January 03, 2021, 12:21:01 PM

I reported the post from here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5302477.msg55996796#msg55996796), and it is marked as good (deleted), but the user in question is still active, so maybe we have some new rules when it comes to plagiarism - or is it just a matter of time?

I think that since he has negative trust, the moderators decided to give him another one hundred and first chance. What do we have at the moment? A stupid person who thinks he’s lucky.
His have not learned the rules, this way, and the significance of negative trust is not clear to him, or perhaps not important.
Well so be it.
His post, which he copied, was deleted. The account continues its "charitable" activities by spreading nonsense.
Bravo.


Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: Cryptomint9 on January 04, 2021, 09:55:54 AM
So at the end.
Forgive me for my all mistakes.
Next time I will keep in mind everything. Many are there who are good members which are teaching the people in a good way Thanks to all.


Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: Jawhead999 on March 01, 2021, 02:49:10 PM
Bump ::)

So at the end.
Forgive me for my all mistakes.
Next time I will keep in mind everything. Many are there who are good members which are teaching the people in a good way Thanks to all.
Have you learn it? I think not, you still repeating your same mistakes in the past. Paraphrasing doesn't avoid from plagiarism since you only change few words/synonym from the original article. The only way to avoid plagiarism is give the original source or create original content with your own words.

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 Where are we today

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Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: Lucius on March 01, 2021, 03:43:36 PM
Have you learn it? I think not, you still repeating your same mistakes in the past. Paraphrasing doesn't avoid from plagiarism since you only change few words/synonym from the original article. The only way to avoid plagiarism is give the original source or create original content with your own words.

How will he learn when he doesn't understand what plagiarism is - in other words, it's normal for him to present someone else's work as his own. What is even worse in this particular example, he tried to hide the original by using word spinning or whatever they call this way of plagiarism.

Post reported, it is now up to the moderators to punish such behavior.


Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: nutildah on March 02, 2021, 01:25:06 AM
He is now banned, turned out he was a plagiarist after all.

Although he was most likely banned for direct plagiarism rather than translated plagiarism.

There's this one guy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg55316069#msg55316069) who has about 6 different accounts that he uses to post long-winded translations for altcoin projects. He got busted using Google Translate and handed red tags back in 2019. He still manages to land jobs sometimes but now he just puts quotation marks around the entire post, and voila, no longer plagiarized.

It's almost impossible to get somebody banned for plagiarism when posting translated articles, I notice. Well, that's OK. Usually they slip up and post something entirely unattributed, and that's when you bust them.


Title: Re: Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on March 03, 2021, 08:42:07 AM
As expected, the "criminal"  ;D returns to his former affairs. There was a lot of indignation from him, but in the end, the ban was deserved.
Plagiarism today has not become such a catastrophic event, judging by how moderators react to it. Perhaps they do not make tough decisions if they see that there is not much plagiarism, and in the future, the person writes on his own. We can say that this is normal practice, everyone can make mistakes, and it is probably worth punishing those who abuse copy-paste.