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It is their core customer base and business model...
How do you feel knowing that your sig profits are coming directly from the fees of the most egregious criminals you can imagine as they successfully evade every law you advocate for?

If you don’t like it take your CM signatures off, because this is the reality of the situation.. Like it or not..
Where do your principles REALLY lye?
The truth hurts Doesn’t it?

Let’s see someone explain to me how you can wear a CM sig and not hold the principles of an anarchist..
Ready for the word-salad trying to explain this away..


Inspired by my post  here  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5313637.msg56340321#msg56340321)..
And..

Ok.. I have some free time..

I advocate for a free internet, where users can communicate through encrypted services without the fear of a third party listening in on their conversation, even though it means "egregious criminals" can take advantage of the freedom to perpetrate their activities. You do not cherry pick who takes advantage of public services, they are available to everyone.

The business model is privacy, allowing individuals transact discreetly without being monitored and traced

So does the anonymity of cash, which has been used anonymously for criminal activities since the beginning of money. 

What's up with all of this sudden Chipmixer hating?  There are people who truly value their privacy, and their service offers that.  Similarly there are people who use Tor not because they're buying illegal goods on the dark web but because they don't want the government snooping around in their business--and I can't blame them for that, given that governments have demonstrated a blatant disregard for people's privacy. 

Are criminals going to use a service like Chipmixer?  I would think so.  Does that mean it's an evil service that needs to be shut down?  Hell, no!  This is cryptocurrency that we're all interested in here, is it not?  Does privacy not mean anything to you?

One possible avenue would be to compare the structures of the highlight.

Arguing for non-censorship on the currency and low granularity basis to enable individual censorship on platforms, something like that. something something property rights

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The only rule I follow is that there are no rules thereafter! ;)

The way the thing go in the world call that if you say something like this, it could be useful to also .. prove it...
However, ChipMixer does for Bitcoin what I always loved about Monero: it helps avoid too curious people from taking a look into your pockets.
Criminals use it? Maybe. Criminals also use US dollar bills and I don't see people giving up to that. Criminals use guns, but I don't see police forces giving up to guns. Criminals use knives, but I don't see you advocating against them.
So.. your point is... ?

I've said it before: the agencies should start finding better ways to catch criminals than invade absolutely everybody's privacy. Especially as governments and agencies are subject to mistakes, corruption, crooked employees, leading to abuses against privacy.

Oh my..
Suddenly this forum is full of anarchists.. How convenient..

Tell me.. Have none of you recently advocated for or supported any form of regulation whatsoever??
Iirc we even have a self proclaimed socialist suddenly turned anarchist, lol..

Let’s continue..

This old chestnut again?

No, it isn't. It makes up about 8% of their business: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5276433.msg55214460#msg55214460

With privacy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214200.msg53499357#msg53499357

I feel the same way I feel about fiat or a rest stop on I-75, both of which without a doubt have been used by vile criminals.

OTOH, I have used Chipmixer and I'm not a criminal, not an egregious one anyway.

Also someone told me that Chipmixer is an NSA honeypot so the joke's on the criminals.

I see a lot of ChipMixer paid signatures here.

Because coin coming from an exchange can’t possibly be stolen right??

You know how we used to mix coins in the old days??
Exchanges.. lol

Definitely weren’t dirty and mixed before they went to the exchange..

Mixed coins coming out of an exchange, through a mixer, definitely aren’t heading to Pirate Bay or similar..


Privacy?

So you can advocate for rules/regulations, and at the same time advocate for the tools that allow you to freely break all of these rules/regulations?

Mmkay..

eddie13, here's a thought for you:

ChipMixer Bitcoin Crypto directly enables Scammers, Drug Dealers, CP, Terrorists, Tax Evaders..

Will you stop using Bitcoin, or for that matter crypto, or do you have no principles? Geez.

While we're on that topic.. How do you pay for stuff in your RL? Fiat? Please promise that you'll never look up what kind of dirty deals fiat is involved in.

So everyone must stop using exchanges? What about trading peer-to-peer? Only freshly mined bitcoin are safe?

What rules and regulations which invade privacy have I advocated for?

Interesting topic.  I always knew FIAT was a ponzi from the moment the treasury printed the first dollar in existence and said "You owe me $1.01 back."    But my video watching recently has shocked me at the large amounts that can be lent/re-lent on just a single dollar.   :o

Idk..
I’m not trying to pick on anyone specific here..
But it seems you have some +DT trust for being a “super alt detector” lol

Catch a bunch of lowlife fucks while simultaneously advertising “this is how to not get caught by me”
Pretty darn good ad placement I’d have to say..

Not that I feel at all bad for whatever idiots you bust either..
They were obviously too stupid/lazy to do their research on how to get away with whatever they were up to..

If we go by the same logic, then we should say the same thing about the US dollar for example. It's been used by drug dealers since time immemorial, it's been used to fund terrorist activities, it's been laundered here and there. So why are we still using the goddamn dollar?  :D

The answer is simple, it has it's intended use, but that does not stop people with bad intentions from using it for other purposes. The Same applies to chipmixer's intended purposes and what criminals decided to use it for.

No offense taken. :)

I see no disconnect between advocating for users to take their privacy seriously and reporting users who are evading bans or similar.

One could argue about the actual dynamics of tagging people based on the "no alts enrolled" rule especially when this is usually more of a status quo copy-pasted clause rather than any thought-out rule. _{[ref] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=149216)}
It's clear when you look at spreadsheets where participants have the same address etc. with no due diligence during enrollment. And of course, considering such users high-risk despite their harm being a spam problem... well, at the end of the day you're effectively calling for more moderation.

After all, some users are able to pump out consistent replies of high quality on multiple accounts, whether in secrecy or not.

The reason they enroll multiple accounts is likely because of some limit, e.g. max posts per week. If I was running a campaign I would call it cheating as it makes me pay more for less and it amuses me greatly to see some seemingly rational and respected users going out of their way to downplay this.

Now what does this have to do with egregious criminals laundering money?

Smokescreens should be kept up to prevent the alt cabal from being discovered by the community. Rather than facilitate a secret organization denying all wrongdoing, the community puts up a front with nonsensical conspiratorial users to create an association of unreliability toward criticism. Diluting the subsequent efforts of users that truly uncover the system of corruption, the criminal organization develops a reputation of upstanding trustworthiness purely through the sentiment of the advertisers and other forum members. Success for the ChipMixer Cult, and down with the forum. Conspiracies are so banal because you cake them in un-falsifiability.

Obviously, if you wear a signature you support the practices of the company you are advertising.

I would think it's the advertiser who supports the practices of the person who wears it.

You can advertise anything in your signature space and I don't see anything wrong with privacy and mixing coins as something bad.
And let's be honest, Eddie is still suffering from losing his trusted friend(s) from forum and he didn't have any problem to trust his old ass buddy and all his alt accounts for years abusing the same Chipmixer campaign :)
Obviously zero principles.

That doesn't necessarily mean I support the practices of people who use the services of this company.

But I meant the whole tangent about the harmlessness of sockpuppeting cheaters... it's a rule many campaigns have, some may not, if someone doesn't like the rule they have a choice not to join. Deliberately breaking the rule and getting caught isn't a problem specific to Chipmixer.

More so the person supporting what they are advertising imo..

Well I was dragged into this so...

Why are you only concerned with bitcointalk signatures anyway?

You ignored all the banner ad space CM buys on so many website? Who knows how much those webmasters are making from them.

Even Ross Ulbricht of Silk Road fame didn't spend much time on btct and most of his activities were on other sites. Drug dealers et al don't find this place interesting as other sites which possibly have CM advertising.

EDIT: Most CM signatures are concentrated inside the technical boards, the rest are in boards mixed with a slew of other companies' signatures which you have a hit-and-miss chance of seeing (from a darts point of view). I'd imagine technical threads and pages are the last place bad guys would go to since they don't even understand that stuff so they wouldn't bother going to those pages.

Oh?
I don’t recall ever having them in my trust list or anything..

I've thought that precisely when I've read the OP. The first time I heard about bitcoin I hear it linked to illegal activities, like paying for child porn.

The thing does not make the action. A knife can be used to cut an apple and to kill a person. Do we stop using knives in the kitchen because you can kill with them?

Nonsense.

I'm not an anarchist, but I'm fairly conservative and as such of course I condone privacy.  Especially privacy from the government.

I also condone exercising my 2nd amendment rights; I own firearms similar to ones that have been used for crimes.  Should I lose the right to keep those guns because of the acts of criminals?  I suspect you agree with me in this situation.  Wouldn't condoning one right that might be abused by criminals, and then opposing another in a similar category be somewhat hypocritical?

Regulation has taken control of the US dollar from those who possesses it and given it to those who trade it.  It's essentially created a RICO style monopoly on the value of USD.  Not only has our government done little to mitigate the problem, quite the opposite, the individuals in charge have profited from it.

There was a time, before WWII when personal income tax was considered unthinkable, immoral, and it's still unconstitutional.  The way they got around the constitution was by claiming it was supposed to be temporary, to help pay for the rebuilding of Europe and Japan.  Temporary turned into the America The World Police constantly running around the world involving themselves in one conflict after another.  Not because we believe we're morally superior, and rushing to support the little guy, it's because war is good business.

Now we live in a world were our privacy is a threat to taxing more of our money.  Kudos to ChipMixer for doing something about it.

Liberals tend to be willing to bend their principals when it comes to them earning money.

Take Disney for example. They are willing to consider a boycott of GA because they are considering passing a law that would make it more difficult/restrictive to get an abortion, however they have no concerns with filming in China, near the location in which hundreds of thousands, if not millions of minorities are being held in concentration camps, and where there are forced abortions.

There are probably some people advertising for CM that is harming CM's reputation due to their personally stated stances on privacy related issues, and/or who have supported people with certain privacy related issues.

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CM does enable a lot of bad people such as criminals, however they also help other people maintain their privacy (assuming they are not some kind of honeypot). It is a matter of the total cost/benefit of such a service existing.

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I dont think you know this. He created at least one sockpuppet account asking for technical help, and he may have created more for various reasons, maybe even for the purpose of advertising/sockpuppeting SR to get it off the ground before talking about SR was banned.

Chipmixer does what chipmixer does.  It's hard to blame them for offering a service, even if it's a service that enables scammers to steal from the very users of this board they are advertising to under the guise of offering some form of privacy. 

In the past, individuals advertising for these types of illegal operations have been targeted in order to get them to do the right thing and stop advertising for illegal and potentially scam enabling services.  If it's a bigger issue then the forum's administration could step in and ban advertisements from chipmixer.  Given their guise of privacy argument and the members on their payroll, I seriously doubt we'll see that happen.

Just know that the members wearing these signatures are absolutely fine with users being scammed, having their funds sent to chipmixer to be cleaned, and profiting from that.  Once you know that about them, it's rather easy to see why they always seem to be banded together to attack other users who say things that upset them, like this post.  :)

Liberals confuse me.. Especially liberals in and around crypto, and of all things CM which is kinda the pinnacle of uh, the furthest right wing thing in/about crypto period..

I suppose this thread is my attempt to understand them better..

No but you sure loved to play poker and talk so he trusted you very much :)


That looks something like when they said we are going to be in temporary lockdown only for few weeks, than weeks turned into months, months into years and soon people will be mandated to have some special passport any maybe even pay new special covtax for their own health sake.

I also heard that not so long ago it was illegal to own gold in US and it was also illegal for black man and white woman to walk together or get married.
Oh the temporary wonders of the world.

So now it comes down to "my signature scams less people than yours!"?   

I wore a “seconds trade” signature for a little while years ago.. Bitcoin betting options or something..
I’m pretty sure it scammed everyone that used it, lol..
I tried it once an felt quite sure it was rigged..

So, why don't you wear a signature like everyone else?  Pride?  Integrity?   Both? 

Wait...

Are you telling me that you wouldn't wear a CM sig if the Camp. Manager offered you a spot?

That's rich.

Too lazy to go through all the work to find one..

Feels like you have to beg a campaign manager for a slot, act like they are the judge “your honor” or something, and I’m not into that..

Minimum quotas.. Definitely don’t want that..

Apped CM a few times, but I’m not what they want/need..
I do have a lot of respect for DS though.. He doesn’t speak out much, but when he does he is pretty based..
Theirs a reason theymos chose him as an escrow signatory..

I may have misspoke when I described these people as liberals. It would probably be more accurate to describe them as leftists.

I would say that many leftists believe that rules should be imposed on everyone else and that the rules should not apply to them.

If services such as CM were to disappear, it would be nearly impossible to cash out the proceeds from illegitimate activities in any substantial amount. This is a clear cost of having CM around. Many leftists are also opposed to allowing people to have privacy, which is the benefit to having CM around, so other than money, I don’t see any reason why certain people support CM.

I wouldn't wear one.  I've been offered spots (not CM) numerous times.  

What definition of "liberal" is this? I would probably say that most companies, once they reach a certain size, concentrate more on the bottom line than any idealized values. The whole goal is to unify labor/skills to earn capital after all.

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FWIW the topic can be argued either way. Just depends on the constructs you're willing to erect. Where does it end? Promotion or denunciation of objects, individuals, groups, services, platforms, systems, outer structures, ideas, ideologies, realities; find your place on the scale and where you're willing to argue. Go ahead.

I guess you are rich too. Either morally or financially.  8) I don't know how many people is around like you two. Probably not many.

Financially, I am not rich.   I have a nice house/car but I can't afford luxuries like an in ground pool.  I never thought of scamming bitcoin as a profession.    Morally, I am - thanks.  :)

Must have missed your post..

I would sure yeah.. I have applied a few times..

I think more problems are caused by trying to stop such things than you would have in the first place if you just accepted that it is what happens..

Did you read the thread?
It’s basically in reply to a bunch of users telling me how terrible anarchic freedom is, how it isn’t reality, when I said that’s what you should expect to happen in crypto (especially surrounding CM), but yet they all support ChipMixer..

Confuses me..

Atleast Vod is actually openly against CM, while others are lovers of rule, order, and regulation, yet support CM to the bitter end..


@QS yeah.. Leftist, liberal, progressive, whatever..
Anything left of a constitutionalist is “left” to me..

Now I get your point. There is some contradiction indeed.

I bet some of those CM people cheered for Trump's perma-ban by the Big-tech. If you ask them some of them will tell you that he deserved it all and even worse because he was lying but then following the same logic the government should take CM down as well because pedos/terrorists/money launderers use CM which is a worse crime than lying.

But when it comes to CM the narrative changes 100%, "Freedom, privacy, etc etc"

People are not 100% consistent creatures. If you pay the right price you would even be able to hire people that would promote the direct scams like yobit.

I carry a casino sig. Do you think I don't know that gambling ruins many people's lives? I do. I don't care anyway. Yobit promoters were using the same kind of defense now I remember. "I carry that scam sig but I don't give a damn if people buy those scam coins. I am not making them buy!" Their defense kind of made sense actually. Just because I carry a casino sig doesn't mean you should wager all of your life savings.

People took negative ratings for promoting LiveCoin in their signatures. I remember that one too.

Humans...

Because the others don't have a signature campaign around here so people cant' get, let's call them mixed feeling about it, the majority of users in the CM campaign are also on DT and this leads to another clusterfuck of problems and last but not least because when you talk how bad soda is everyone points at Coca-Cola, not at VitaCola or Kola Shaler.


Ignoring the fact that you obviously have no proof about it, I sincerely doubt any criminal mastermind will only use chipmixer to launder or hide its coins, probably you'll have to take your rant to xmr, binance, wasabi, and a lot more, which is not really what you're aiming at, isn't it?  ;D You could have done this topic about any signature out here, aren't casino evilz too?
But I'm wondering why you've chosen to direct it at CM and not call from the start those users who you think are selling their souls and beliefs for 6$ a post as your attack looks a bit, weird, I would say, especially of this!


So, what changed between the holocaust and pedophilia?
Probably not bitcoin, not chipmixer, not the ones using chipmixer but some of the people on this forum, so again, why aren't you pointing them out username after username?

Maybe I shouldn’t have used such a clickbait title??


Short and sweet..
Leftists on DT flying CM please explain..

While you're at the point of debating your own path to reach the sixth level of meditation and preparing your questions for Kakusandha maybe you should also think twice before picking one line of the entire comment and use it as another beehive flogger.

If that holocaust mention was not good enough to make you think twice what's your real view on the issue, let's have another brain test on it, DT members are the ones tagging scammers here, criminal and scammers are using mixers, DT members who are supporting CM are getting money from the ones they tag, interesting, right? Or should we say that scammers who have been tagged by DT members are sponsoring them, you see what happens when you don't attack the issue directly and point fingers!?!


I know already Flying Hellfish is a commie I'm itching to know who the leftists are?
So, who are those "leftist", "progressive" "liberals" who are whoring their ideals for $?
I hope you're not talking about the one you've just funded with around 1000 worth of posts in that bet, making you a supporter of the cause  :D
See how fucked up everything is?  ;D

I said above that I should have used the term "leftist" instead of liberal. In my Disney example, they were giving up potential profits in order to exert political pressure, but their stated concerns were not genuine because they are willing to look the other way when it comes to concentration camps run by the CCP.

The OP is a tangent to this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5313637.msg56340321#msg56340321) post. I think the OP's concern is that so many people were comparing FOMA to a criminal who has caused very real harm to people for enrolling three alt accounts in the CM signature campaign, while CM itself helps actual real criminals evade detection and launder their money.

What FOMA did was wrong, but it was wrong because it involved deception. He did not steal from anyone, including CM, or otherwise hurt anyone. FOMA did provide benefits to the forum for being around by making many insightful posts -- I don't know if having him around was a net benefit, but I do think that is something open for discussion. CM on the other hand, helps criminals who have stolen money make it difficult for authorities to detect that this money is stolen -- in other words CM helps thiefs get away with stealing. As mentioned before I believe having CM around is a net benefit, but it is hypocritical to have zero tolerance for deception, and then turn around and be willing to look the other way when the company you are receiving payment from is profiting from illegal activity that harms people.

I wrote that, my view hasn’t changed..
I think you didn’t read and just replied to the title bro..


Excuse me.. Maybe someone could have mistaken my mentioned placement on the political compass as “Chinese constitutionalism” if you hadn’t clarified..

Like I said previously, people who want to defend the CM service alongside the community backlash against FOMA can probably make some argument based on the difference of granularity - probably something to do with the significance of their impact on the system/platform.

Truthfully, it seems like too much offal shit to untangle - wrapped up in a package that even a haggis unlikely to check. Anyone that eddie13 is accusing directly - names, c'mon - should probably have more reasons than the same old fiat/btc argument because those are (more or less) mutually exclusive choices. I have no desire to spin a sheet of rhetoric with that defense.

I can think alt accounts are good and support people being able to use them, while also thinking that people who use them to evade bans or break campaign rules should be punished. People using them to break the rules is not an argument against their existence.

I can think ChipMixer is good and support people being able to use it, while also thinking that people who use it to scam others should be punished. People using it to scam others is not an argument against its existence.

Or, you could say that ChipMixer makes it easier to anonymize your BTC through an automated method instead of doing it yourself.

There are plenty of exchanges out there that you can sign up for while sitting in a coffee shop using their free Wi-Fi with a protonmail email address.

"Dirty coins" -> exchange into another coin -> withdraw to another exchange -> back to BTC -> Withdraw to your wallet.

Or you can use Samourai Whirlpool, you can even run it yourself fairly easily.
There are other ways too. These are just the ones that come to mind while having my morning coffee.

-Dave

This is a discussion forum first and foremost. If someone doesn't want to participate unless they get paid, let alone on multiple accounts, fuck them with a bag of nails. I'd rather have theymos get rid of signatures or close the forum for good than turn this into a shithole where cheating for a few satoshis is defended with some misguided pseudo-anarchist dogma.

In a place dominated by bitcoin maximalists it's absurdly bizarre to see pretty much zero respect for the discussion platform itself. Sockpuppets, spammers, scammers, plagiarists, trolls, cheaters get white glove treatment because... muh free speech? They're not speaking, they're screwing with your misplaced trust that the decentralized trustless nature of Bitcoin will somehow make this forum different from any other online community. It won't. If you don't fight sockpuppeting and trolling and spamming it will take over. If you derive pleasure from that sewage that's fine but then you could just stay on facebook and not bother with this place.

I have a feeling that none of you self-proclaimed anarchists would survive more than 5 minutes in a real zombie-apocalypse type of anarchy. Awwww he looks like a real human because he shares my political views... boom, you're dead and your bitcoins/merits/trust ratings canned goods and guns are now in a possession of an account farming scammer a person who's technically a "net benefit" to the anarchist utopia.

But hey, since shitheads use Chipmixer, and good people use Chipmixer, good people shouldn't fight shitheads... or good people should become shitheads, because we can't have any shades of gray whatsoever.

Freebitco.in doesn't give a damn about your coins' history and you can almost take it back immediately. Boom, you cleaned up your coins almost instantly and paid probably a lot less than what you would pay CM. (not trying to ruin a good business but facts are facts.)

A lot less than zero? How does that work?

I wasn't aware of that CM was working for free. Is that true? Sounds like a bad business practice. I mean why would anyone work for free? Were they collecting donations? Too lazy to check it now.

It's fine, this is not a thread where facts or logic matters.

Ah you'll be fine then. Looking for a win from you on this one lol

The virtue signalling DT are full of shit. They promote gambling, mixing even proven scams ...what was that shady one everyone else was dumping due to their actions but nutildah clung on until the last moment.

DT1 dont give a fuck about scams really,  or stomping out anything that will enable and facilitate scamming.
They will mostly allow anything or if they can get paid some $

Chipmixer is not that bad the company and what they do. Their sig campaign manager dark_star I had previously thought was fair and se sible has proven himself to be a scumbag and will employ proven trust abusers and scammer supporters and confirmed serious racists. Not that I'm one for crying racist every 5 mins until it is meaningless.

But these DT dogs will point the finger at anything or any excuse. Let them live by their own strict rules they seek to push on others.

Chipmixer campaign manager is a coward and pussy. He will not even dare debate the suitability and scammy pasts of those he pays to abuse this forum and crush free speech.

Suchmoon got her nose in the trough now too.

Nutildah is running around green with envy trying to bust anyone on chipmixer so they get their nose in there instead.
What is that greedy little sneaky loser and scam facilitator doing probing deep into chipmixer spammers wallets. Envious and he sees their dust accumulating faster than his own lol

He's a radical left wing peasant angry at any and all success fairly achieved by others. I mean I'm in the middle perhaps leaning left a little on important issues really but this guy is a typical chip on shoulder radical left loser.

I cant wait for them to get on chipmixer. He's the last clearly financially dangerous scumbag left here. Chipmixer will open itself to all kinds of questions when nutildah gets on there. What's taking so long I thought the willing scam facilitator for pay who deletes his post history when caught and trust abusers those that busted him hard should be on the payroll by now.

I have the thread all ready to go vroom vroom lol

Chipmixer service good and useful but does help scum bags too
Chipmixer campaign manager corrupt or mad
Chipmixer posters here wearing their sig are generally dirty and scammer protectors or enablers.

A couple of exceptions. 

Actually eddie has a point. His post isn't that logic-less. The thread is fine. I made a mistake though. I admit.

He might have had a somewhat fritzy but potent idea to catch some of those hypothetical hypocritical communists supporting the beacon of libertarian criminal paradise that is CM but I think it got buried in fallacies before the end of page 1. On a broader note, this forum should be one of those places where (outside of P&S perhaps) it doesn't matter what your political beliefs are and whether that jibes with someone else's beliefs of how your beliefs should work, so it was really DOA.

This is merely intellectual, not accusational..

Whatever. If you want to get a "win" based on the semantic intent, then go for it.

I just figure that it would be nice to have some names of the people you claim are hypocrites. Let's not go for low-hanging one-ups, okay? :)

Every person I look at on DT is a hypocrite to varying degrees.

Quicker to name the less hypocritical.

Anyone seeking to impose a 2 tier system based on undeniable double standards that favours them and their colluding pals are hypocrites or worse. Anyone turning a blind eye should vacate their DT spot.

The only persons I have found to stick to some kind of reason and logic that seems fair and objective

Gmax, actmyname, and even mikey sometimes. Most of the others are pure scum. OG (me obviously according to vod) is okay and does dare tag scammers but is too afraid to speak out against theymos and his bungling mess of an attempt at decentralized control systems here. Removing red on a proven scammer was a bad move too.

Gmax is the only person with any balls here really. On several occasions I have directly spoken to him over the years in different forms and he has always provided responses you would expect from a person that analyses information objectively and fairly
 Yes he can be quite brusque or seemingly annoyed to have to even ponder on certain information. But the answer is always objective and correct.

Cant ask for more than that.  He should code out a DT AI bot. 

There is no reward for doing what is right on DT only punishment and removal.

I'll bite OG.   How am I a hypocrite?  I don't take payment for my work, and I accuse a ponzi scammer no matter how much it affects my DT power.

I don't think FOMA impacted the forum by enrolling his multiple alts in the CM campaign. If anything this resulted in more interesting posts that many people who are offended were able to read, when such posts are in short supply.

I find this kind of thing a little bit on the gray area, on one side, people are helped because they earn money at signature campaigns of Chipmixer and the people are free from the prying eyes of entities threatening their finances and on the other hand, I do hate that mixers/tumblers are used by this despicable people. I tend to lean on advocating that a certain transparency would be added to mixers/tumblers because as much as I want the freedom to everything, I don't want people to abuse it and not being held responsible for their actions.

By your own words vod. You admitted being afraid to red tag a proven scammer because you feared they would ruin your account.
Yet you would have no such problem if they were not on DT and couldn't retaliate.


That's just one example.


I mean there are many others.

Let's not try to make every thread about you though. Keep following me around though and providing bumps and entertainment.

You have claimed that many times, OG - but obviously I am not afraid of that.  :)

I'm not OG but should I produce the evidence now for you to read?

Yes or No?


Also where is the evidence of what you claimed about OG. You know that he said you being a pedo isn't criminal?

YES OR NO

Will you provide the evidence?

Take your meds and start understanding that you cant just make things up and expect people not to call you out for the evidence  or deny things happend when they can produce independently verifiable evidence to prove it is true.

Now take the medicine and stop making this thread all about you.

You're not even on chipmixer so why do you think your personal case is relevant here.

Make a new thread where you will prove everything you claim is true with independently verifiable evidence and then you can be taken seriously. Just try to be sensible and realistic. If everything you say falls apart due to lack of evidence and everything you deny is subsequently shown to to have taken place??

I mean you've already been caught out in undeniable trust abuse and lying.

1. Saying that a person was telling lies about you suffering serious brain death. When you are on record claiming you suffered brain death of approx 10% due to a stroke. I mean that hardly means the person was lying. I expect most would consider 10% brain death as very serious.

2. You said a person was using a self moderated thread to ensure a one sided argument or some bullshit
The truth is you were told not to repeat a claim you'd made 2x already on that thread without providing corroborating evidence. Those prior 2 were not deleted but your 3rd repetition still refusing to supply evidence was deleted as it should be. Anyone making claims against another member here should provide some fucking independently verifiable evidence.

3. You deliberately and wilfully blocked a legitimate scam warning based on independently verifiable evidence.

4. You were pals with 2 scammers you previous admitted to being too afraid to tag or " defreind" due to the fact they may ruin your account as a reprisal.  Do you deny this?

My personal opinion of you vod is that your are not a pedo and not a scammer and not financially greedy

You are simply a person who has been offended and now has grown bitter and petty to the point or befriending scammers and trust abusing members to suck up to your perceived bunch of scammy pals who you think like you but actually just use you to support their agenda here.  Wake up you dumb fool.

Now back to chipmixer and are the people pushing them hypocrites?

Yes but not especially for pushing CM. If they were busting other mixers then yes.
They are bigger hypocrites than that they support and protect scammers when it suits them and punish others for lesser crimes.
They are also mostly shit posters and low functioning plebs hence why they are still broke down bums spamming for dust.

I don't need you to do anything OG.

You dont want me to produce the evidence ? Okay lol

Vod doesn't want me to  produce the evidence
Vod cant produce any evidence.

Thanks that was funny.

Just say No please dont show people I talk shit or have the memory of a goldfish.  

Haha

Thanks that was fun. I'll come soon for more clown slapping fun here on bct.

I don't need you to, but I won't stop you, OG.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5249973.msg54470897#msg54470897

Now start telling the truth and stick to making claims you can validate with evidence. Not just things you want to be true.

That is not evidence you are not OG.  Try again...

That is evidence that you shouldn't be on DT.

If youre afraid to tag scammers or the financially dangerous because they may tag you and ruin your account then you are a coward and have no place on DT.

You're making the accusations I'm OG you produce the evidence. Where is it?

You've been saying that for years, and I am the longest running member.  :)

Transparent mixers?
WTH?

All bitcoin mixers are transparent. You just need to know what to look for.

You are either unreal fools or hypocrites.

There is a good example, namely the SilkRoad platform.
Which many of the respected members of the forum supported in their time. Remember how it all began?


Fuck, many of you call Bitcoin maximalists? Are you fucking serious?
 I find it funny and sad for the renewal. Forgive us Satoshi, we all fucked up. We still don't understand the true value of Bitcoin.
 

Is Craig a gentle lover or does he like it rough?

The Silk Road was the purpose of Bitcoin..

What is it these days?
Alphabay? But I haven’t explored in a long time..

I’m all for free markets..

The purpose of bitcoin is to provide a secure and decentralized platform for peer-to-peer transfer of digital cash.

You have to choose sides when it comes to it, you should know that. There will be a gray area but we still have to choose sides. Chipmixer was made so government can't nose in to the businesses of their citizens, now if they were doing something nefarious, there are other ways to implicate them like being caught red handed, getting killed or better yet is they surrender. Transparency will be bowing down to the very things that Chipmixer is fighting in the first place.

If you were around you will understand the circumstances, BTCitcoin was a new market and no one had any idea about its direction except the fact that it had potential and it is not a big surprise everyone is an anarchist and when Silk Road was discussed everyone was interested because we will have a market place to use BTCitcoin and many were skeptical about illegal activities as well, so you need to understand the context of the situation rather than pointing fingers after a decade.

Although a bit OT, last I heard [I did not check] most darknet markets are using XMR instead of BTC since it's way more anonymous.

Back to the subject on hand, there seems to be a bit of a loop going on here and although people seem to agree with me they still come back to CM is for "bad people"

No, it's for lazy people. There is nothing CM does that you can not do yourself. I just went and setup accounts on 2 exchanges that require nothing more then an email, actually used a separate disposable email service for each one while sitting in a parking lot on the free Wi-Fi from the Wendy's

Both have about the same price on XMR at the moment. So I could move my BTC to 1 of the exchanges, trade to XMR, withdraw to another exchange and trade back to BTC and to my wallet.

Would cost me ~ 30 minutes of time, 1.5% trade fee, .01 XMR withdraw fee and the BTC withdraw fee.

To find me you would need to get the records of an exchange in China and exchange someplace else and then figure out how to trace XMR.

*I did not do this because I have better things to do with my time but the point remains the same.
Or, I don't know, install Samourai Wallet and use Whirlpool and be done.

-Dave

This topic deserves a bump because not many users have the balls to challenge the CM gang members.

My views about this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5322654.msg56527676#msg56527676