ChipMixer directly enables Scammers, Drug Dealers, CP, Terrorists, Tax Evaders..

[notblox1]

You can advertise anything in your signature space and I don't see anything wrong with privacy and mixing coins as something bad.
And let's be honest, Eddie is still suffering from losing his trusted friend(s) from forum and he didn't have any problem to trust his old ass buddy and all his alt accounts for years abusing the same Chipmixer campaign
Obviously zero principles.

[suchmoon]

Now what does this have to do with egregious criminals laundering money?

Obviously, if you wear a signature you support the practices of the company you are advertising.

That doesn't necessarily mean I support the practices of people who use the services of this company.

But I meant the whole tangent about the harmlessness of sockpuppeting cheaters... it's a rule many campaigns have, some may not, if someone doesn't like the rule they have a choice not to join. Deliberately breaking the rule and getting caught isn't a problem specific to Chipmixer.

[eddie13]

Now what does this have to do with egregious criminals laundering money?

Obviously, if you wear a signature you support the practices of the company you are advertising.

I would think it's the advertiser who supports the practices of the person who wears it.

More so the person supporting what they are advertising imo..

[NotATether]

Well I was dragged into this so...

Why are you only concerned with bitcointalk signatures anyway?

You ignored all the banner ad space CM buys on so many website? Who knows how much those webmasters are making from them.

Even Ross Ulbricht of Silk Road fame didn't spend much time on btct and most of his activities were on other sites. Drug dealers et al don't find this place interesting as other sites which possibly have CM advertising.

EDIT: Most CM signatures are concentrated inside the technical boards, the rest are in boards mixed with a slew of other companies' signatures which you have a hit-and-miss chance of seeing (from a darts point of view). I'd imagine technical threads and pages are the last place bad guys would go to since they don't even understand that stuff so they wouldn't bother going to those pages.

[eddie13]

Eddie is still suffering from losing his trusted friend(s) from forum and he didn't have any problem to trust his old ass buddy and all his alt accounts for years abusing the same Chipmixer campaign
Obviously zero principles.

Oh?
I don’t recall ever having them in my trust list or anything..

[Poker Player]

eddie13, here's a thought for you:

ChipMixer Bitcoin Crypto directly enables Scammers, Drug Dealers, CP, Terrorists, Tax Evaders..

Will you stop using Bitcoin, or for that matter crypto, or do you have no principles? Geez.

I've thought that precisely when I've read the OP. The first time I heard about bitcoin I hear it linked to illegal activities, like paying for child porn.

The thing does not make the action. A knife can be used to cut an apple and to kill a person. Do we stop using knives in the kitchen because you can kill with them?

Nonsense.

[DireWolfM14]

Oh my..
Suddenly this forum is full of anarchists.. How convenient..

I'm not an anarchist, but I'm fairly conservative and as such of course I condone privacy.  Especially privacy from the government.

I also condone exercising my 2nd amendment rights; I own firearms similar to ones that have been used for crimes.  Should I lose the right to keep those guns because of the acts of criminals?  I suspect you agree with me in this situation.  Wouldn't condoning one right that might be abused by criminals, and then opposing another in a similar category be somewhat hypocritical?

Regulation has taken control of the US dollar from those who possesses it and given it to those who trade it.  It's essentially created a RICO style monopoly on the value of USD.  Not only has our government done little to mitigate the problem, quite the opposite, the individuals in charge have profited from it.

There was a time, before WWII when personal income tax was considered unthinkable, immoral, and it's still unconstitutional.  The way they got around the constitution was by claiming it was supposed to be temporary, to help pay for the rebuilding of Europe and Japan.  Temporary turned into the America The World Police constantly running around the world involving themselves in one conflict after another.  Not because we believe we're morally superior, and rushing to support the little guy, it's because war is good business.

Now we live in a world were our privacy is a threat to taxing more of our money.  Kudos to ChipMixer for doing something about it.

[Quickseller]

Tell me.. Have none of you recently advocated for or supported any form of regulation whatsoever??
Iirc we even have a self proclaimed socialist suddenly turned anarchist, lol..

Let’s continue..

Liberals tend to be willing to bend their principals when it comes to them earning money.

Take Disney for example. They are willing to consider a boycott of GA because they are considering passing a law that would make it more difficult/restrictive to get an abortion, however they have no concerns with filming in China, near the location in which hundreds of thousands, if not millions of minorities are being held in concentration camps, and where there are forced abortions.

There are probably some people advertising for CM that is harming CM's reputation due to their personally stated stances on privacy related issues, and/or who have supported people with certain privacy related issues.
CM does enable a lot of bad people such as criminals, however they also help other people maintain their privacy (assuming they are not some kind of honeypot). It is a matter of the total cost/benefit of such a service existing.

Even Ross Ulbricht of Silk Road fame didn't spend much time on btct and most of his activities were on other sites.

I dont think you know this. He created at least one sockpuppet account asking for technical help, and he may have created more for various reasons, maybe even for the purpose of advertising/sockpuppeting SR to get it off the ground before talking about SR was banned.

[OgNasty]

Chipmixer does what chipmixer does.  It's hard to blame them for offering a service, even if it's a service that enables scammers to steal from the very users of this board they are advertising to under the guise of offering some form of privacy. 

In the past, individuals advertising for these types of illegal operations have been targeted in order to get them to do the right thing and stop advertising for illegal and potentially scam enabling services.  If it's a bigger issue then the forum's administration could step in and ban advertisements from chipmixer.  Given their guise of privacy argument and the members on their payroll, I seriously doubt we'll see that happen.

Just know that the members wearing these signatures are absolutely fine with users being scammed, having their funds sent to chipmixer to be cleaned, and profiting from that.  Once you know that about them, it's rather easy to see why they always seem to be banded together to attack other users who say things that upset them, like this post. 

[eddie13]

Liberals

Liberals confuse me.. Especially liberals in and around crypto, and of all things CM which is kinda the pinnacle of uh, the furthest right wing thing in/about crypto period..

I suppose this thread is my attempt to understand them better..

[notblox1]

Oh?
I don’t recall ever having them in my trust list or anything..

No but you sure loved to play poker and talk so he trusted you very much

The way they got around the constitution was by claiming it was supposed to be temporary, to help pay for the rebuilding of Europe and Japan.  Temporary turned into the America The World Police constantly running around the world involving themselves in one conflict after another.

That looks something like when they said we are going to be in temporary lockdown only for few weeks, than weeks turned into months, months into years and soon people will be mandated to have some special passport any maybe even pay new special covtax for their own health sake.

I also heard that not so long ago it was illegal to own gold in US and it was also illegal for black man and white woman to walk together or get married.
Oh the temporary wonders of the world.

[Vod]

Just know that the members wearing these signatures are absolutely fine with users being scammed, having their funds sent to chipmixer to be cleaned, and profiting from that.  Once you know that about them, it's rather easy to see why they always seem to be banded together to attack other users who say things that upset them, like this post. 

So now it comes down to "my signature scams less people than yours!"?   

[eddie13]

Just know that the members wearing these signatures are absolutely fine with users being scammed, having their funds sent to chipmixer to be cleaned, and profiting from that.  Once you know that about them, it's rather easy to see why they always seem to be banded together to attack other users who say things that upset them, like this post. 

So now it comes down to "my signature scams less people than yours!"?   

I wore a “seconds trade” signature for a little while years ago.. Bitcoin betting options or something..
I’m pretty sure it scammed everyone that used it, lol..
I tried it once an felt quite sure it was rigged..

[Vod]

I wore a “seconds trade” signature for a little while years ago.. Bitcoin betting options or something..
I’m pretty sure it scammed everyone that used it, lol..
I tried it once an felt quite sure it was rigged..

So, why don't you wear a signature like everyone else?  Pride?  Integrity?   Both? 

[mindrust]

It is their core customer base and business model...
How do you feel knowing that your sig profits are coming directly from the fees of the most egregious criminals you can imagine as they successfully evade every law you advocate for?

If you don’t like it take your CM signatures off, because this is the reality of the situation.. Like it or not..
Where do your principles REALLY lye?
The truth hurts Doesn’t it?

Let’s see someone explain to me how you can wear a CM sig and not hold the principles of an anarchist..
Ready for the word-salad trying to explain this away..


Inspired by my post here ..
And..

I think this would be a very good subject for another topic!

Ok.. I have some free time..

Wait...

Are you telling me that you wouldn't wear a CM sig if the Camp. Manager offered you a spot?

That's rich.

[eddie13]

I wore a “seconds trade” signature for a little while years ago.. Bitcoin betting options or something..
I’m pretty sure it scammed everyone that used it, lol..
I tried it once an felt quite sure it was rigged..

So, why don't you wear a signature like everyone else?  Pride?  Integrity?   Both? 

Too lazy to go through all the work to find one..

Feels like you have to beg a campaign manager for a slot, act like they are the judge “your honor” or something, and I’m not into that..

Minimum quotas.. Definitely don’t want that..

Apped CM a few times, but I’m not what they want/need..
I do have a lot of respect for DS though.. He doesn’t speak out much, but when he does he is pretty based..
Theirs a reason theymos chose him as an escrow signatory..

[Quickseller]

Liberals

Liberals confuse me.. Especially liberals in and around crypto, and of all things CM which is kinda the pinnacle of uh, the furthest right wing thing in/about crypto period..

I suppose this thread is my attempt to understand them better..

I may have misspoke when I described these people as liberals. It would probably be more accurate to describe them as leftists.

I would say that many leftists believe that rules should be imposed on everyone else and that the rules should not apply to them.

If services such as CM were to disappear, it would be nearly impossible to cash out the proceeds from illegitimate activities in any substantial amount. This is a clear cost of having CM around. Many leftists are also opposed to allowing people to have privacy, which is the benefit to having CM around, so other than money, I don’t see any reason why certain people support CM.

[Vod]

Wait...

Are you telling me that you wouldn't wear a CM sig if the Camp. Manager offered you a spot?

That's rich.

I wouldn't wear one.  I've been offered spots (not CM) numerous times.  

[actmyname]

Liberals tend to be willing to bend their principals when it comes to them earning money.

Take Disney for example.

What definition of "liberal" is this? I would probably say that most companies, once they reach a certain size, concentrate more on the bottom line than any idealized values. The whole goal is to unify labor/skills to earn capital after all.FWIW the topic can be argued either way. Just depends on the constructs you're willing to erect. Where does it end? Promotion or denunciation of objects, individuals, groups, services, platforms, systems, outer structures, ideas, ideologies, realities; find your place on the scale and where you're willing to argue. Go ahead.

[mindrust]

Wait...

Are you telling me that you wouldn't wear a CM sig if the Camp. Manager offered you a spot?

That's rich.

I wouldn't wear one.  I've been offered spots (not CM) numerous times.  

I guess you are rich too. Either morally or financially.   I don't know how many people is around like you two. Probably not many.