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Hi,

We are interested in taking a loan for our business to leverage our profit on our platform.

We do multi-layer cross-protocol arbitrage focusing on Ethereum (ERC-20) and Binance Smart Chain (BSC) enhanced with flash loans when possible.
Our problem is that the income from clients is slow because teaching them is difficult. Thus, while elevating the knowledge of our community, we could take loans to accelerate the business growth.

Under what terms would you give a loan for such a purpose?
What could be acceptable collateral in your opinion?

( For now, this is a navigational thread and we might decide not to take any loan, in the end. )

It won't matter if you withdraw your request... if you even plan for a scam you will get tagged. 

I suppose the first thing you should do is prove this:

Our proof (https://i.ibb.co/9YhbCqG/image.png) for the mentioned part is the fact that we weekly stream free educational material for ERC-20-BSC arbitrage.

You can join if you wish.

We never ask for any deposit. Never invite anyone against his will. Never ask you to download anything.

Kudos on your stream!  Can you sign a message from an address showing "Ethereum (ERC-20) and Binance Smart Chain (BSC) enhanced with flash loans"?   That's what I asked for - not for a screenshot.  :)

One more thing to teach to our community.


Did I do it right?

Yes, but you signed the wrong address.   Sign the address your operation uses :)



It's kind of important now that you prove your words since you are asking for ETH.

Fuck off Vod, dont try to scam this user and dont waste his time. Fking troll!

The purpose for the loans doesn't count to much in here.
The only thing that matters is that the lender have a guarantee that he will get his loan back, and the only way of doing this is for you to provide valid collateral.
You can educate yourself by reading this topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577765.msg6311902#msg6311902.

To lower the fees we recommend our users transact on the Binance Smart Chain (BSC).

You might have checked the address using an ERC-20 explorer. That is why you did not see any operation.

But the address is right. Binance Smart Chain (BSC) shows the operation:
https://bscscan.com/address/0xd7f379a36a92c66deeddbe5786ba1d4b08bcf0ec

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No, we do not ask for any ETH. We recommend our users hold the specified amount in their MetaMask wallets.

Since you quoted my thread on this forum, allow me to reply with my thread:
"...Once in a DeFi environment, you remain in control of the bot, your funds, and MetaMask web-wallet. We do not ask downloading anything nor inviting anyone onto our platform..."

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5312972.0

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What if I told you that you can keep your money in your wallet - decentralized if you will?

Than it's all good and thank you so much for enlighten me that I can keep my money in my wallet. I have almoust run out of other people wallets to keep my money. You are a very kind person.
I agree with you 1000% and strongly advice everyone to keep their own money in their own wallets.


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Can I send you in private the address where you can send me the interest for keeping my money in my wallet?

Sorry on the address verification.  Your statement above is untrue.  How can I maintain control of your bot and my funds if it has access to them?

Yes, you can. However, the interest is not for keeping your money in your wallet. While keeping your money in your wallet, you can choose to follow our recommendations and make interest. You can keep 70% of the profit as interest and we ask for 30% of the profit in return for the information. Since you provide the capital, we call this "lending", but unlike many lending offers, here the money stays in your wallet.

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We offer centralized strategies and decentralized strategies.

Centralized strategies communicate with the exchange Application Programming Interface (API) and it is the API that allows or disallows commands tuned to the client's set preferences. This user controls what the bot can do and what it can not and the exchange provides the guarantee that the bot can not do anything that the user did not explicitly allow before. The bot can not directly access the funds. It can only indirectly deal through the API and only with functions that the user enabled. Either the user or the exchange can revoke its access anytime. Now our bot supports two centralized exchanges: Binance and Poloniex. If you have concerns related to the security of any of these options, let me know!

Decentralized strategies can not access the user funds directly, nor indirectly. The bot formulates recommendations in natural language on Telegram and the client can choose to follow its instructions or not. Examples of such instructions are in the screenshot I attached above. For example: go to https://pancakeswap.finance/ and stake 76% of your BNB for CAKE in the CAKE-BNB LP farm.

Since the bot can not directly manipulate the user funds anytime, my statement is true: We do not touch your money anytime in the process.

Is your bot open source?    The bot can directly access the funds, and being able to withdraw access after it's bet all your coins is not comforting.

This guy is scammer. He collected about USD 300,000 from a group of investors and scammed them.
Links with detail information available upon request via PM.

I know many people will just gasp and believe you, but the new account means you are lying.  Otherwise you would have posted the link so we could publicly refute it.

My question still is outstanding about his bot - if it's not open source, it can steal all your coin through your API you link to your wallet.

No, I did not scam anyone, nor did any of my partners.
You might have been the victim of an impersonator.
If you have a different opinion, open a report in the appropriate section and we will deal with the accusation there.

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Yes, all parts of the platform are open source. The configuration is the thing that we sell.

For example here is the running platform (https://etherscan.io/address/0x57805e5a227937bac2b0fdacaa30413ddac6b8e1#code) that we use for ERC-20 combos.

Another example is the Binance wrapper (https://github.com/craysiii/binance) that we use for our scalping scripts.
Every client can build every component on his computer directly from source code.

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The components are open source. So, this is out of the question.
Still, I am interested: In your opinion, how could a bot steal your money from a centralized exchange such as Binance if you block withdrawals at the API generation?

Why would you connect your bot to an exchange and block withdrawals/transfers?  How would the bot trade?

Edit:   Appreciate an answer, but I'm bowing out of this one due to lack of technical knowledge.  :)

If anyone is interested in any example of an actual source code that we sent to a customer, I am willing to upload it. Ask and let us discuss your use case.

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Because withdrawals, transfers, and trades are different matters.
In THIS (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5317529.msg56371242#msg56371242) post, I explained that API is for centralized strategies.
We support two centralized exchanges: Poloniex and Binance.
From these options let us take Binance as an example because this is the most popular one for our clients.

Your Binance account contains multiple wallets.
There are different wallets for spot trading, leverage trading, lending... and more.
From there, we recommend the spot wallet for scalping.
When you create an API for your spot wallet, you can choose to enable trades, but disable withdrawals and cross-wallet transfers, as the following image shows:


We do not know about any technique to bypass these restrictions and with them, we can not withdraw or transfer your funds.
Because of the Binance auto-matching engine and blocked leverage even burning them on bad trades would take enough time for the user to revoke access.

What we do is to try to make profitable trades and after one week of continuous trading, we ask for 30% of the profit.

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All your questions so far were justified and we were glad to answer them.

Anonymous account means you are lying.

BTW my account is not anonymous, PM me if you want know more.

That is wrong. All our bots are operational.

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I, too could write a list of Telegram IDs who will counter this argument.

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It is. If you have ever dealt with me or any of my partners, you would have written the ID you used when dealing with us instead of calling people to PM.

Here you can see manual trades instead of "All our bots are operational":
https://discord.com/channels/643804005956321281/682972819277217798/717469653584183407
https://discord.com/channels/643804005956321281/643806466368602123/814411397428936735
https://discord.com/channels/643804005956321281/682972809701621822/814680946645008384

Cool, please present a list of people counter that you are scammer.
Will see how people from my list will respond.

I did not invest in any of your scam projects, that is why you have no my ID.
But I have been following your scam activity in various Telegram and Discord channels as well as your multiple forum websites.

We understand your fear of the flash loan AI we made being able to suck out cryptocurrencies from platforms.
However, we do this in a legit fashion: bounty hunter programs and educating flash loans to people - free of charge.
Therefore, this character-killing attempt is pointless.
We both know that you and I did not make any deal. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5317529.msg56449845#msg56449845)
So, share with us what your real purpose is, and let us find a solution together.

Let us see the arguments:


These are only a subset of our simulated trades.
Analyzing their performance does not represent actual trades.

Your "proof" counters your argument and not mine.
In these channels, You can see many bot-made trades, too.
So, my statement is still true: we operate real bots.

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I talked to some people on your list (@guidoku, @Johann24, @dbc90).
Interestingly, none of them asked you to do this.
I have reason to believe that the usernames were cut & paste into the document without their consent.

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I did not scam anyone anywhere.
So, there could have been nothing to follow.

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Since I can see no point, no proof, and no purpose in this accusation, I have to ask:
What do you want and where does your authority come from to make such accusations?
As you are not a customer yourself and apparently, they did not ask you to do this.

oh yes man! u scammed us!

No, I have not scammed you.
We banned the user with your ID for Binance support impersonation (among others):
https://i.ibb.co/Xjz01jK/image.png
https://i.ibb.co/921ZSNC/image.png
It was a ban with good reason.
We hold our opinion.

ahahaha nice...you first scummed us and  and then you blackmailed us.
The rest is only you that try to scam other. PLEASE GUYS STAY AWAY FROM THIS GUYS

If you want i can post all the conversation all the chat during the one year of "collaboration":) it's ok for you?
or u want post things only for try to figure shit from us?
and maybe people should know that you stole the identity of a youtuber ... isn't that MIA?

Your "arguments" do not prove your point, nor counter mine.
I have not scammed anyone.
You admitted to cooperating with a Binance impostor.
https://i.ibb.co/MV4Zg4w/image.png
https://i.ibb.co/Xjz01jK/image.png
https://i.ibb.co/921ZSNC/image.png
We banned the accounts of your gang with good reason.

Bence, can you stop to say bullshit? please...i know the story. Oh what i was saying in this post is "oh you stoled our money, we are on blockchain for search it"
STOP LYING U ARE RIDICOULOUS.
But ok... if someone want to give money to this guy , please contact me and i will show all the chat , all the shit and other things with no problem :)
I'm honest i'm not taked an avatar from an youtuber for illegal things :)
eveyone at this point have my telegram. CONTACT ME

Could you give a statement from @dbc90 supporting that you are not lying?
@dbc90 told me that he won't be giving that.

Sorry...who are you? and could you explain better your question?

DBC did not ask you to do this harassment.
Your Binance impersonator gang does not have DBC's support.
https://i.ibb.co/dfFgCdK/image.png
https://i.ibb.co/4YSmFyW/image.png
All my arguments stand so far.
So do the ban on your accounts.

Sorry, I don't understand what are you talking about.
But nobody from the list we are talking about confirmed that you are not lying.

Your Binance-impostor-gang involved the Telegram ID @dbc90.
I warned you you did not have @dbc90's approval.
https://i.ibb.co/v4Rhpmw/image.png
And I was right.
https://i.ibb.co/dfFgCdK/image.png
https://i.ibb.co/4YSmFyW/image.png
So, we hold our opinion.
All accounts associated with your gang remain banned.

Kebab is working.
What about our refunds?
And @dbc90 does not support your lies:
https://imgur.com/a/mCvGHpq

Banned accounts are not eligible for a refund.
Your account is banned.
To lift the ban disprove association to the users: killdead (u=1039843), gadhashin (u=3136965).
https://i.ibb.co/k0X9gL6/image.png
Your screenshot has an incomplete timestamp.
Our platform has never used the title "MajorInvestor".
https://i.ibb.co/CbRWkmP/image.png
So, we can not consider your upload authentic.
We uphold our opinion and your ban.

What you mean by "your account is banned"?
I have no accounts by any of your private forums.
And you cannot ignore all investors waiting for refunds:
https://imgur.com/a/Z6VLXrt
https://imgur.com/a/gYf3n9z

You are not an investor if you do not have an account with us.
Your account is not eligible for a refund if it is banned.
You can represent only your account.
You can not represent accounts of other people.
To proceed, prove your eligible account and disprove association to the users: killdead (u=1039843), gadhashin (u=3136965).
Your screenshot has an incomplete timestamp.
Our platform has never used the title "MajorInvestor".
https://i.ibb.co/CbRWkmP/image.png
https://i.ibb.co/fYF3ZBt/image.png
So, we can not consider your upload authentic.
We have reason to believe that an association of malicious actors wants to extract assets from us without authenticity.
We uphold our opinion and the ban on all accounts of the association.