Loans for Flash Loans ⚡ Business Loan? What Collateral?

[PremiumCodeX]

Hi,

We are interested in taking a loan for our business to leverage our profit on our platform.

We do multi-layer cross-protocol arbitrage focusing on Ethereum (ERC-20) and Binance Smart Chain (BSC) enhanced with flash loans when possible.
Our problem is that the income from clients is slow because teaching them is difficult. Thus, while elevating the knowledge of our community, we could take loans to accelerate the business growth.

Under what terms would you give a loan for such a purpose?
What could be acceptable collateral in your opinion?

( For now, this is a navigational thread and we might decide not to take any loan, in the end. )

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[Vod]

( For now, this is a navigational thread and we might decide not to take any loan, in the end. )

It won't matter if you withdraw your request... if you even plan for a scam you will get tagged. 

I suppose the first thing you should do is prove this:

We do multi-layer cross-protocol arbitrage focusing on Ethereum (ERC-20) and Binance Smart Chain (BSC) enhanced with flash loans when possible.

[PremiumCodeX]

I suppose the first thing you should do is prove this...

Our proof for the mentioned part is the fact that we weekly stream free educational material for ERC-20-BSC arbitrage.

You can join if you wish.

We never ask for any deposit. Never invite anyone against his will. Never ask you to download anything.

[Vod]

Our proof for the mentioned part is the fact that we weekly stream free educational material for ERC-20-BSC arbitrage.

Kudos on your stream!  Can you sign a message from an address showing "Ethereum (ERC-20) and Binance Smart Chain (BSC) enhanced with flash loans"?   That's what I asked for - not for a screenshot.  

[PremiumCodeX]

Kudos on your stream!  Can you sign a message from an address showing "Ethereum (ERC-20) and Binance Smart Chain (BSC) enhanced with flash loans"?   That's what I asked for - not for a screenshot.  

One more thing to teach to our community.

Code:

{
  "address": "0xd7f379a36a92c66deeddbe5786ba1d4b08bcf0ec",
  "msg": "Hi! Here is Mia and I confirm that this address participates in beta testing of arbitrage methods between Ethereum (ERC-20) and Binance Smart Chain (BSC) enhanced with flash loans for research purposes. ",
  "sig": "0x915a4a6ea08d3c904433b91b9e0c189fab5e7d694414b0b526c1ac55376996c10a9db86e395f91ae60e0ebdaa200bb8760021999d5eae52481b0c40cd9eea0511b",
  "version": "3",
  "signer": "MEW"
}

Did I do it right?

[Vod]

Did I do it right?

Yes, but you signed the wrong address.   Sign the address your operation uses

Balance
0 ETH / 0.00 USD
ERC-20 Token balance
0.00 USD

Received (approx.)
0.000000000000000000 ETH /
0.00 USD
Spent (approx.)
0.000000000000000000 ETH /
0.00 USD

We recommend ETH 5 - ETH 10 for our users, but at the same time, we have methods to crawl up your capital from virtually no minimum.
We do multi-layer cross-protocol arbitrage focusing on Ethereum (ERC-20) and Binance Smart Chain (BSC) enhanced with flash loans when possible.
So, we usually count in BNB. BNB 70 - BNB 150 is an ideal budget.

It's kind of important now that you prove your words since you are asking for ETH.

[scammed-by-nitro]

Did I do it right?

Yes, but you signed the wrong address.   Sign the address your operation uses

Balance
0 ETH / 0.00 USD
ERC-20 Token balance
0.00 USD

Received (approx.)
0.000000000000000000 ETH /
0.00 USD
Spent (approx.)
0.000000000000000000 ETH /
0.00 USD

We recommend ETH 5 - ETH 10 for our users, but at the same time, we have methods to crawl up your capital from virtually no minimum.
We do multi-layer cross-protocol arbitrage focusing on Ethereum (ERC-20) and Binance Smart Chain (BSC) enhanced with flash loans when possible.
So, we usually count in BNB. BNB 70 - BNB 150 is an ideal budget.

It's kind of important now that you prove your words since you are asking for ETH.

Fuck off Vod, dont try to scam this user and dont waste his time. Fking troll!

[jonsi]

...
Under what terms would you give a loan for such a purpose?
What could be acceptable collateral in your opinion?
...

The purpose for the loans doesn't count to much in here.
The only thing that matters is that the lender have a guarantee that he will get his loan back, and the only way of doing this is for you to provide valid collateral.
You can educate yourself by reading this topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577765.msg6311902#msg6311902.

[PremiumCodeX]

Yes, but you signed the wrong address.   Sign the address your operation uses

To lower the fees we recommend our users transact on the Binance Smart Chain (BSC).

You might have checked the address using an ERC-20 explorer. That is why you did not see any operation.

But the address is right. Binance Smart Chain (BSC) shows the operation:
https://bscscan.com/address/0xd7f379a36a92c66deeddbe5786ba1d4b08bcf0ec

It's kind of important now that you prove your words since you are asking for ETH.

No, we do not ask for any ETH. We recommend our users hold the specified amount in their MetaMask wallets.

Since you quoted my thread on this forum, allow me to reply with my thread:
"...Once in a DeFi environment, you remain in control of the bot, your funds, and MetaMask web-wallet. We do not ask downloading anything nor inviting anyone onto our platform..."

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5312972.0

The purpose for the loans doesn't count to much in here.
The only thing that matters is that the lender have a guarantee that he will get his loan back, and the only way of doing this is for you to provide valid collateral.
You can educate yourself by reading this topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577765.msg6311902#msg6311902.

What if I told you that you can keep your money in your wallet - decentralized if you will?

[jonsi]

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What if I told you that you can keep your money in your wallet - decentralized if you will?

Than it's all good and thank you so much for enlighten me that I can keep my money in my wallet. I have almoust run out of other people wallets to keep my money. You are a very kind person.
I agree with you 1000% and strongly advice everyone to keep their own money in their own wallets.


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Can I send you in private the address where you can send me the interest for keeping my money in my wallet?

[Vod]

Since you quoted my thread on this forum, allow me to reply with my thread:
"...Once in a DeFi environment, you remain in control of the bot, your funds, and MetaMask web-wallet. We do not ask downloading anything nor inviting anyone onto our platform..."

Sorry on the address verification.  Your statement above is untrue.  How can I maintain control of your bot and my funds if it has access to them?

[PremiumCodeX]

Than it's all good and thank you so much for enlighten me that I can keep my money in my wallet. I have almoust run out of other people wallets to keep my money. You are a very kind person.
I agree with you 1000% and strongly advice everyone to keep their own money in their own wallets.


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Can I send you in private the address where you can send me the interest for keeping my money in my wallet?

Yes, you can. However, the interest is not for keeping your money in your wallet. While keeping your money in your wallet, you can choose to follow our recommendations and make interest. You can keep 70% of the profit as interest and we ask for 30% of the profit in return for the information. Since you provide the capital, we call this "lending", but unlike many lending offers, here the money stays in your wallet.

Sorry on the address verification.  Your statement above is untrue.  How can I maintain control of your bot and my funds if it has access to them?

We offer centralized strategies and decentralized strategies.

Centralized strategies communicate with the exchange Application Programming Interface (API) and it is the API that allows or disallows commands tuned to the client's set preferences. This user controls what the bot can do and what it can not and the exchange provides the guarantee that the bot can not do anything that the user did not explicitly allow before. The bot can not directly access the funds. It can only indirectly deal through the API and only with functions that the user enabled. Either the user or the exchange can revoke its access anytime. Now our bot supports two centralized exchanges: Binance and Poloniex. If you have concerns related to the security of any of these options, let me know!

Decentralized strategies can not access the user funds directly, nor indirectly. The bot formulates recommendations in natural language on Telegram and the client can choose to follow its instructions or not. Examples of such instructions are in the screenshot I attached above. For example: go to https://pancakeswap.finance/ and stake 76% of your BNB for CAKE in the CAKE-BNB LP farm.

Since the bot can not directly manipulate the user funds anytime, my statement is true: We do not touch your money anytime in the process.

[Vod]

The bot can not directly access the funds. It can only indirectly deal through the API and only with functions that the user enabled. Either the user or the exchange can revoke its access anytime. Now our bot supports two centralized exchanges: Binance and Poloniex. If you have concerns related to the security of any of these options, let me know!

Is your bot open source?    The bot can directly access the funds, and being able to withdraw access after it's bet all your coins is not comforting.

[gadhashin]

Our problem is that the income from clients is slow because teaching them is difficult. Thus, while elevating the knowledge of our community, we could take loans to accelerate the business growth.

This guy is scammer. He collected about USD 300,000 from a group of investors and scammed them.
Links with detail information available upon request via PM.

[Vod]

This guy is scammer. He collected about USD 300,000 from a group of investors and scammed them.
Links with detail information available upon request via PM.

I know many people will just gasp and believe you, but the new account means you are lying.  Otherwise you would have posted the link so we could publicly refute it.

My question still is outstanding about his bot - if it's not open source, it can steal all your coin through your API you link to your wallet.

[PremiumCodeX]

This guy is scammer. He collected about USD 300,000 from a group of investors and scammed them.
Links with detail information available upon request via PM.

No, I did not scam anyone, nor did any of my partners.
You might have been the victim of an impersonator.
If you have a different opinion, open a report in the appropriate section and we will deal with the accusation there.

Is your bot open source? 

Yes, all parts of the platform are open source. The configuration is the thing that we sell.

For example here is the running platform that we use for ERC-20 combos.

Another example is the Binance wrapper that we use for our scalping scripts.
Every client can build every component on his computer directly from source code.

My question still is outstanding about his bot - if it's not open source, it can steal all your coin through your API you link to your wallet.

The components are open source. So, this is out of the question.
Still, I am interested: In your opinion, how could a bot steal your money from a centralized exchange such as Binance if you block withdrawals at the API generation?

[Vod]

Still, I am interested: In your opinion, how could a bot steal your money from a centralized exchange such as Binance if you block withdrawals at the API generation?

Why would you connect your bot to an exchange and block withdrawals/transfers?  How would the bot trade?

Edit:   Appreciate an answer, but I'm bowing out of this one due to lack of technical knowledge. 

[PremiumCodeX]

If anyone is interested in any example of an actual source code that we sent to a customer, I am willing to upload it. Ask and let us discuss your use case.

Why would you connect your bot to an exchange and block withdrawals/transfers?  How would the bot trade?

Because withdrawals, transfers, and trades are different matters.
In THIS post, I explained that API is for centralized strategies.
We support two centralized exchanges: Poloniex and Binance.
From these options let us take Binance as an example because this is the most popular one for our clients.

Your Binance account contains multiple wallets.
There are different wallets for spot trading, leverage trading, lending... and more.
From there, we recommend the spot wallet for scalping.
When you create an API for your spot wallet, you can choose to enable trades, but disable withdrawals and cross-wallet transfers, as the following image shows:

We do not know about any technique to bypass these restrictions and with them, we can not withdraw or transfer your funds.
Because of the Binance auto-matching engine and blocked leverage even burning them on bad trades would take enough time for the user to revoke access.

What we do is to try to make profitable trades and after one week of continuous trading, we ask for 30% of the profit.

Edit:   Appreciate an answer, but I'm bowing out of this one due to lack of technical knowledge. 

All your questions so far were justified and we were glad to answer them.

[Vod]

This guy do not have any bot operational, just fake.

Anonymous account means you are lying.

[gadhashin]

Anonymous account means you are lying.

BTW my account is not anonymous, PM me if you want know more.