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Wilder has added another new unbelievable conspiracy theory to the list of reasons why he claims he lost his fight against Tyson Fury. He now claims his own trainer spiked his water in order for him to get beat   :o

"Eddie Hearn insists Deontay Wilder 'has lost his mind' after 'bizarre' public row with Mark Breland as he hits out at heavyweight for calling himself a 'king' and ruining his ex-trainer's legacy with claims that he spiked his water before Tyson Fury defeat"

Considering the current state of mind Wilder is in, he obviously needs help and he needs to keep away from the ring and any near-future fights. My take has always been that Fury should not fight Wilder again at least until he can prove is mentally well but now it looks like Fury was right all along when he said he would not fight Wilder because Wilder needed to seek help for his mental issues.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-9244555/Eddie-Hearn-insists-Deontay-Wilder-lost-mind-bizarre-public-row-Mark-Breland.html




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Looks like the beating onto his head was that severe that it doesn't end well in his state of mind. Looks like he need an extensive rehabilitation psychologically but I doubt if he can return to the ring if that happens even if that mean as a sarcastic opinion by Fury or if it was true too.

That's kinda rough on him completely losing his mind. Maybe it's not the physical trauma that gave him that, but also the stress and anxiety that was put onto him just before the bout. Wilder needs to get psychologically screened and tested, else this might develop into more bizarre claims and uncontrollable 'bouts' in the future. It must have been hard for him to accept defeat, hence the delusion that every one is against him.

it is sad, that he blames others for his own incompetency. I feel bad for his trainer for wasting a lot of time on a fighter that doubts him when something didn't go as he liked.

definitely needs help it is not the first time a fighter experience psychological problem after losing a fight it is just sad that he is doubting and accuse his trainer who he should have been trusting.

Maybe Wilder really finds it difficult to accept that he was out boxed and well beaten by a better fighter on the day. Before he can start making rational comments and statements he should seek professional help, surely his family and friends can see he needs help so they should push him in that direction.

This is also a reason why it takes a long time to be settled on whom should we bet in a single game, and this applies to all of the sports that can be gambled. We must be taking an in-depth research on what is happening on the mental health of the player or players of a team we are betting. A simple negative, boastful, and arrogant mindset is something to consider yet could give a huge change to that player's gameplay when in match.

It is sad that Wilder cannot just move on, this would affect bets on his future games as this could be his biggest flaw.

It is not surprising as he is coming up with excuses the moment he lost the fight and he was talking about someone spiking his water from the beginning and and before that he was blaming his heavy clothes he was wearing during his entrance and it has become a meme and he needs some serious help as he could not accept the defeat. People can go to depression and that is sadly what i am seeing from his situation.

MMA fighter Max Holloway sued his ex manager for something similar.


Not many details of this case were made public.

Reading between the lines, it seems Max Holloway's old manager put something in his water or food which led to him having negative symptoms resembling a concussion.

I think this was settled out of court.

It might sound crazy or farfetched but there could also be some truth to it.

There are obviously problems in his life that go way beyond the boxing part. Maybe his erratic conduct is not just a reaction to him being in denial about his defeat, maybe he had other issues going in his personal life before the fight and defeat at the hands of Fury just compounded it all.

Wilder should be advised by his family and friends to stay out of the ring until he manages to get his life back on track.

Probabilities is there but it is really hard to give out without solid evidences thats why most likely this would be ruled out. Going back about on Wilder,
that i do believe that this guy cant really able to move on with his defeat on Fury, he cant just accept which might really lead up into that mental
stress and now giving out blames to his trainer?
I thought this one is over and Wilder do already accept that and i was just surprised that we are again seeing these kind of reasoning which
we should really not be putting any attention at all. He do need to accept that or else that would really be a big problem which would really
be leading into more severe if he wont able to snap out of it.

I clearly remember the Max Holloway situation as he was clearly stumbling with his words during a media interview and many notified that something is wrong with his behavior as he was clearly not looking good let alone fight.

But here Wilder is making up things, he was never spiked and he had a good walk to the arena and there was nothing wrong and the exact moment he lost his balance is when he was hit in the side of the head by Fury and after that he was wobbly and it was clear he will not recover as he is not known to have great movement in the ring and Fury was putting pressure all the time and he was overwhelmed with punches.

This shows his overconfidence and the mind that doesn't accept losses. This is like Trump requesting for the recounting and tries to stay within the Whitehouse even after the win is confirmed. As most people mentioned, one should always have the mind of acceptance and he needs psychological medication. Maybe he could've served as king of WBC heavyweight for more than five years, for that claiming the coach as the reason for his loss shows the incompetence.

It will be difficult but he should move on that he can't beat that beast Fury. He really needs it and it should be an immediate concern because that will be worst if it indeed not taken care of. I doubt if a third fight will ever happen.

That's worst situations if he undergo extensive psychological rehabilitation mate, because it's considered as disability of a person. Head injury is dangerous, and with this kind of accident I think it's not going to be overcome, then I hope so the management would do actions in order to prevent other players to fall to this kind of disgusting situation.

I really think this is the right answer, I don't really think there is anything wrong with his head in a neurological level, what happens is that he is not ready to accept the fact that he lost, and not only he lost he was completely dominated by Fury in what was a complete beatdown, so he is trying to desperately find a rational explanation for what happened to justify his own incompetence, if I remember correctly at first he blamed the costume that he was wearing before the fight and now he is using this, and I can say that until the day comes in which he is able to accept that he was the main reason why he lost against Fury then he has no chance at all of winning a rematch against Fury.

Yes, we can't really compare Max's case back then to Wilder here. And the more Wilder opens his mouth and making excuses, the more we think that Deontay was more affected psychological as he saying absurd things that a grown up and well respected boxing shouldn't be saying. Too bad that he lost his long time trainer/mentor in Breland because he thought he was in the conspiracy as well to dethrone him by Fury.

I agree Wilder must have a injuries in his mental capabilities and a possibility that it was during his fight, boxers often have a series of concussion on his brain when hit by the opponent,

Wilder should have proper medication and must see a therapist, if Fury's claims was really true which base on Wilder's actions  but then again if he is in his right mind then he is just tripping and getting that claims a medium for the blame.

Not many people can accept his losses from a better fighter or player as he feels too confident about his skills and power, so he can not accept the losses. But yes, he needs to move on and try to accept the loss because he really needs to train himself and get more exercise to increase his skills and ability. If he can do that, I am sure he can grow his skills better because he already has that experience, and he can also learn how to fight better. Perhaps, he will get lucky in the future to win and become a great fighter someday.

Or maybe his words actually have something in it, though honestly just claiming these conspiracies left and right without providing proper evidence would only lead to most of us just thinking that something is wrong with him. Even if it was the truth, him releasing it like this would certainly not prove anything. It's kinda sad really how a loss made Wilder become like this, instead of putting that effort into more training (whether his claims is true or not) and doing stuff like this, more and more people would just view it as excuses, one that is really painful to even look at anymore.

I always tend to doubt people who claim conspiracy is done against them.When I first read about spiked water immediately I started laughing and not believe this conspiracy.If it were true that conspiracy was made against him there are hundred of easier and not easily detectable methods to achieve this goal.This guy definitely needs psychological rehab.

I have never been the biggest fan of wilder with his extremely cocky bronze bomber attitude where he said he still wants to kill someone in the ring.
On the other hand i always respected him that he never doged a fight versus dangerous opponents like anthony joshua did a few times.

His claim that he lost because his costume was entrance costume was too heavy was already wild but this theory now is even Wilder. Pun intended  ;)

I like to be mad to him for his stupid mind but I have to understand what he is going through, maybe until now he still cannot accept his one and only loses and that he is not a champion anymore, with the way he has been doing, he only makes himself worst and expressing to the public that he can never beat Fury anymore. I pity him to be honest.

I was because he was so powerful with almost 100% KO win rate, that was before he fought Fury but he is not a real winner because he can't accept a defeat, if he really is a champion, he would accept it and just rise again, look at Manny Pacquiao, he lose to Marquez but did not give up, he never makes excuses, work himself to be back again and start winning again, I guess he needs to have that kind of attitude.

makes another conspiracy , so this wasnt the first time he make a conspiracy . how many times he did it and to what boxers but why did they still allow this boxer to play after he accuse his oponents when he loose .

i agree that he needs to be check because this condition can get worst in the future and he can do more damage  not just verbal but physical , inside and outside of the ring .

It doesn't matter how many times he makes his own conspiracy theory, as long as it's not proven, no one will believe in him. The more he talks non sense, the more people will disrespect him, I guess he is already out of his mind and out of the sports with just one loss he can't accept.

Wilder has a huge ego, and that's ego is built because of too much belief, that he is the greatest and the best knock out artist in the heavyweight divisio, and the lost came when we did not expect it, and he tried to rebuild himself by building his ego, but in a wrong way by blaming everyone, he should emulate Anthony Joshua who takes it positively and win decisively against Ruiz.

Man, I do think that he really needs to consult and get some help. I mean, if you are stuck on the process of not accepting your defeat and you blame other factors for such, I do think that you may need to consult professional help. It is vital that he needs to focus and to accept his defeat in order to move on and prepare for his future fights. With this kind of mindset, who knows what would happen if he loses again in the future (which I hope not).


To be honest, this is more than just accepting defeat. The guy suffers from a mental health issue which should be taken seriously. If he does not seek any professional help, this would definitely take a toll on his professional career.

There is this video that I watched about the documentary of Tyson Fury about his redemption in boxing. He also suffered mental breakdowns and physical problems but his motivation and will made him the fighter that he is today. I hope Wilder takes note of this as he really needs to fix himself for his future.

But there's always a chance to redeem himself and that is to make the trilogy happen and win, but he has a lot of excuses and he is making a scenes instead of focusing on the fight, so with that action, it's tantamount to saying that he can't win against Fury.

Rofl.  The guy has gone wacko.  What kind of drugs is he on?  He better stay away from the white power.  He sounds very paranoid and in a way that makes it look like something is really up with the guy even before his loss.  His loss just triggered it.

Wasn’t he getting that third fight anyway? 

Its COVID what they need is :
Media attention
He already lost the fight what else can he do ?
He can try and get some TV time which would help him get more popular. See this thing is** He LOST*** what he can do is :
To ask for a rematch !!!!
This would be the more honourable thing to do lol. It would be better as a whole for him image also but if he keeps accusing like this without any proof there is nothing that is going to happen. So at the end I think it would be amazing if he has a rematch and lost again , lol.
Plus it can always be tested and people can just start an investigation even if there is some truth to it... Then just investigate!! What the guy is going is just blaming and doing nothing if he feels like he can tackle it then take it professionally to the court.

It's okay to make a noise but that's kinda a wrong noise because instead of people getting interested to him and his next fight, people are annoyed with his accusation or own conspiracy theory, he was not man enough to accept his defeat and work on to recover, that's all.

Without accepting his defeat he will really be ending up on having that in mind that he's the true winner of that fight and not Fury and now making up those

accusations towards his coach/trainor? This man cant just really accept the reality and it seems his mental state had been greatly affected.

People would really be finding out to be annoying instead and this might be the end up on his boxing career if he wont able to handle it out soon.

His biggest enemy here is himself, I'm sorry but Wilder has not mental toughness that should be the quality of a real champion. He may loss to Fury but it shouldn't affect him going forward, unless he think that he is the best in the world and he does not lose, which is too childish of him.

his words will not change anything, it will not discredit the champ, his only way to prove is to fight Fury again and change his trainer if that's the problem.

That's his agony behind the depression he went though right now, and we really can understand about that matter. But what's wrong with his was he can't managed to move on, and what he needed is to accept the fact that he lost. I also don't have a good mood on him, he is like a spoiled bratty child who've been very noise at all and speaking non sense.

When you can accept loss then you shouldnt get involved in any sports if thats the case.This one is a solid example that there are people who cant
really just accept defeat and trying to blame out others and now it make him looks crazy instead. He do need to rest up and think
carefully and make out some realizations that he lost the fight and he must move on.

Later on, he will realized that his boxing fans are slowly going away because of his attitude.
Just a matter of time before he can truly accept what had happened to that match.
Right now, maybe he needs more of understanding from people and not the bashing as he is going thru a difficult phase of his life.
It will pass and hopefully, in the future, he is more open-minded with things in life.

Wilder everyone was watching you got beat and was put in your place, but then again I like were you going with this... keep ranting about being king and what not you will get a fight you asking for hope you will be ready,just don't drag everyone into the mad by throwing shade at them.

Real losers are acting up this way, he might be undefeated wayback but nothing on this world would really remain on top forever.

There would be always someone who will be better than you.He cant just accept his fate and now throwing off some blames on the ones he can see on.

You cant see the sportsmanship on this way.

Still waiting for the arbitration, but Fury has move forward already and in paper, going to fight Joshua next and probably this trigger Wilder's wild conspiracy like his head training spiking his water during the fight itself. Hard to prove and I doubt that his training will do that.

He has lost so much respect from the boxing community and he really need to move forward and admit that Fury has taken his 0 and he doesn't have the chance to fight him in a trilogy resulting in a big loss in revenue for him.

Yep, but what makes people think that he completely lost it is when he blame his long time trainer and said that Breland is involved and wanted to see him lost against Tyson Fury.  He obviously parted ways with Breland and put the blame on him for everything that happen to himself. And now he is being exposed as a lazy boxer so we have the reasons why he lost to Fury, didn't train hard, can't be teach new tricks and so he is the real losers here with the way he acts after the fight.

Sadly we all know Wilder needs rehabilitation but it is his family and friends that should push him towards seeking help. He needs to stay away from boxing until he gets his focus back and is mentally well again.

Thats what he need for now because everybody do already notice that condition on where his mentality gets really affected with that past fight and just like what most people saying that he do wants to be undefeated
and he wanted to be perfect and to be the best among the rest and on the day that he lost then he cant really just accept it and when you are type of person who are really too emotional then handling out
these kind of situation is really a challenge.

No one can help you out but only yourself but seeking out on your loved ones help would really be beneficial.You do only make yourself look bad into the public if you do really continue to blame out
people randomly  because of your loss.

He does really need some rehab if things cant be handled out well because this might really be the end of his career if mental state would really be come severe
and becomes worst and might be the reason for him to stop boxing for a while or might forever.Sounds exaggerated but its possible to happen.

What probably was the reason why he is acting weird after he lose the fight?

I don't understand him, his career is not over yet, he is given a chance for a Trilogy fight and he wasted that opportunity.
So now he will just continue fighting in social media while he slowly loses his career as a boxer.

So sad but it looks like we will not hear from him soon.

The guy is in depression he is afraid to face Tyson for fear that he will get beaten again so he is playing this kind of game, the fact that he fired his former trainer who is his long time trainer we can easily conclude that he is out of control and he cannot get over and move forward with that loss.

Before he was beaten by Fury I never liked Wilder because of what I saw as arrogance. In the days after the fight I sort of had a little respect for him because he was clearly concussed very early on but managed to get through a lot of rounds before the referee stopped it after his team threw in the towel. If they did not do that Fury would have floored him again and he would have been out for the 10 count anyway.

Now I have very little respect for Wilder because what Fury did by promising not to fight because of mental issues Wilder is facing was a genuine action. After a deal could not be made Fury ensured he never fought Wilder again because he would probably cause him irreversible damage.

Wilder blamed it on the costume, then blamed it on Fury allegedly having objects in his gloves then he blame it on Fury slapping him instead of punching him then he blamed it on his team for throwing the towel in then he blamed it on his trainer spiking his water... it is not funny anymore because Wilder needs to be taken to professionals that are trained to help people that suffer from mental issues.

Deontay Wilder is exposing his weakness as he cannot accept defeat and Mark Breland who threw in the towel to save Wilder is a former professional boxer and he knows very well about the consequences for taking punches but he fired him and then coming up with excuses and it is not because he is afraid to fight for the trilogy but he wants to convince himself that he lost because of outsider interference and that will not help him in improving.

He should realized on whats better, risking out his entire boxing career or accepting just 1 lost in a fight? Trainor/Coach does know on when to throw the towel
and when its not and he's just minding off his boxer which is a good thing to be done when you get beat up since we know the risk on being hit consecutively.
Its just  a right decision to make and he's just making it as a reason.

Wilder is suffering from depression I will go along with that but I think he wants to face Fury in the ring again because he genuinely believes he can beat him and he genuinely believes he should not have lost.

I hope friends and family of Wilder will fore him sort out his mental issues before he considers getting back in the ring.

I am disappointed Wilder can make these ridiculous statements just to tarnish the reputation of the trainer that trained him to be among the best boxers just because of a single fight lost and I wonder what he would have done if he's was a fighter like Luiz Ortiz that he was beaten twice.
He's going to lose alot of fans with his immature habit.

We cannot be 100% sure if the water that Mark Breland gave to his trainee Deontay Wilder contained any substances that could influence the distortion of the boxer's reality perception, but we know that Mark Breland's reputation is perfect and this whole story is similar to Deontay Wilder's attempts to justify his defeat at the expense of his trainer.

Wilder couldn't accept his defeat which made him release negative statements against his trainer. I guess he really needs to seek professional help because his previous fights might affect his mental condition which isn't healthy for him for this kind of sport. He should see for a psychological help before he enter the ring again. Being physically fit isn't enough to be qualified as a professional player but it also includes good mental condition.

He won't win against Fury if he will not accept this defeat.

Why? because he won't see what he needs to improve, he things he is good enough, he only lose because he was cheated.
I can't remember anymore how many times he made and excuses in different reasons, this guy just can't move on, he he was stuck in his own imagination.

Fury vs Wilder 3 will not happen because of Wilder, there's no one to be blame.

Next time he would say that he urgently needed to go to WC, so not to get embarrased in front of the crowd, he decided to lose that fight. Or that he had forgotten to turn off the iron at home.

But seriously, if he makes excuses like that, he should not think about a rematch, but must fix his head before.

Wilder would have to check his mental health. As much important and powerful his physicality is, he also has to take into account that his mental health is important, and with a sport like that, fhat not only takes toll off of your body but your mind, you're going to need a very tough mindset or at least a backup failsafe plan should you go downhill.

Wilder was never the best boxer technically and even before the fury fights he got almost knocked out by ortiz once in their first fight. He always hope to get one of his devastating right hands in because they can end a fight pretty much anytime but apart from that he is an average boxer.
I also think he should have also lost the first fight against fury. I mean fury was knocked down twice but on the other hand he dominated pretty much the whole rest of the fight.
Wilder now needs to stop looking for excuses and try to start a new run for a championship, but it will be hard.

I watched Fury's interview with Mike Tyson on his podcast the other night.  I was surprised to learn that Fury was only 1lb when he was born and managed to get up to over 400lbs at his heaviest.  That's got to be one of the most amazing human growth stories of all time...  The guy has been through a lot growing up as a gypsy and from hearing his story it is easy to see how he got to where he is now.  The guy has been a fighter since his first second on this planet.

Yes, there are already some old articles that do mentioned it out.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tyson-fury-1lb-premature-baby-6924598
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/7867914/tyson-fury-premature-baby-to-heavyweight-boxing-champ/

what an unbelievable story.This man is already a fighter when he was born.

Every individual that watch the fight knew Wilder trainer throw the towel as at the when expected time cause he's not fit to continue with the fight which he also said he's feeling dizzy due to the blood he lost through his ear cut.
I once somehow believe his first excuse about Fury having something in his gloves but now I know Wilder just can't get over the fight

I did not see the interview (never knew anything about it) but I do remember reading somewhere a couple of years ago that Fury was born several weeks premature and weighted very little, it was a miracle he survived as a new born baby then went to beat severe depression and mental issues and went on to become heavyweight hampion of the world. Add to that discriminations that he and his family faced because they were from a traveller bakground, nothing managed to stop him. He has an amazing life story.

I read that his father named him Tyson (after Mike Tyson) because that was his favourite boxer and he knew in the ring Mike Tyson was a real fighter so after he was born and fighting for his life from the first second it made sense to him.

It is not even about throwing the towel at the right time or wrong time, let's say he did it way too early, let's say he did it on the first second of the fight before anyone even had a punch in, as soon as the bell was ringed he just chucked the towel in, that still does 0% with the spiked water comment. I mean the idea here is that his trainer was so bad and was working with the other team that he spiked his water SO he must have thrown the towel too early as well?

I do not see a connection there, if dude spiked his water he could have just spiked even more and made him lose on the very first round as well, there is no possibility of something like that would have a connection with something else. Dude is just a bad bad loser that ended up having a great career, amazing end record for a career, and that's it, he is going to be someone we forget in a few years time.

Throwing in the towel is the perfect decision by his coach as Wilder was in no shape to continue the fight and he was eating punches. When he first fired his coach for throwing the towel i thought it was a gimmick to claim that his warrior spirit will not allow to go down like that but then once the continued with the same path it was comical as he turned out to be a sore looser.

Gloves, in ring entrance clothes, spiking his drinks. He has many excuses.

That excuses is merely his fault on his corner's fault, there's nothing to blame or he will just blame himself.
All of that can be corrected in the 3rd fight if he made it easy to happen, he can even wear nothing to solve the clothes problem and will hire a new trainer.
Unfortunately, he didn't do that, his excuses made him look like a real loser, from being a superstar, he has now become a clown in boxing.

This is unfortunately what ends up killing the drive of many fighters, the media hypes them and then they think they are in fact as big as the hype only to find out later they were not, it was obvious Fury was the best out of the two when it came to technique and pure boxing ability, he is taller, heavier, has a longer reach and a long list of qualities that he had above Wilder, the only thing that Wilder had over him was his incredible punching power, but Fury very rapidly figured out that Wilder needs a lot of space to generate that power so he was over him all the fight, tired him out and then destroyed him.

It is not just the media that is hyping up the fighters, the fans of those fighters that are borderline psychotic are some of the reasons that the fighter might get some delusions of grandeur to the point that he/she thinks that he/she can defeat anyone. Rabid fanbase is the worst thing a celebrity can have because it indirectly affects you psychologically. I think that Wilder can still do some good fights but if he thinks that this fight with Fury is a career ending then it will probably come true.

I believe on this, he should not stop fighting because he only loss once and he is still popular in heavyweight division. The best upcoming fight is the battle between champs which is Fury vs Joshua, but in case Joshua will win, he might be given a chance to fight Joshua and I think he has a chance to beat Joshua and their they are in equal standing as one boxer beats the other.

I like to see that scenario to happen, but it seems it's unlikely to happen due to Wilder's behavior.

Well we are in the social media world right now, so every fans in every sports will really affect their athletes one time or another. Floyd and Manny's fans are the most delusional fans I would say specially during the hype on their fight.

Wilder though is different as he has been saying or claiming things that 90% of us thinks that he has suffered brain damage from that fight with Tyson Fury. The way he acts after the fight and even up to this day is no acceptable.

I don't think it's related to brain damage and stuff, but his failed strategy to do a rematch (https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/deontay-wilders-rematch-clause-against-tyson-fury-expired-in-october-says-bob-arum/4ytzm38tx9ji1awsuxpzk6u2f). He lost, couldn't do a rematch, and he is frustrated. Wilder was at the top and fell down pathetically and the future is not so bright for an exposed boxer.

Lots of boxers got beaten, but they still "sellable" like Pacman, Tyson, etc., but Wilder doesn't have that kind of attractiveness.

But boxers with a lot of ego, like Wilder here, can't accept the blame here, that's why he goes on to look for someone to point at, and now it is his trainer, which he said spike his water or something.

I don't think there will be a 3rd fight now, Fury says no already. Maybe we can see Joshua vs Wilder next. And as far as Wilder now, we don't know who is beside him and whispering to his ears to go to the media and make this claims again.

Fury does not like it anymore and I don't think a promoter would still love to promote Wilder with that kind of attitude he showed, he has to be professional and will not easily throw words online without any solid basis, he is just looking for an attention but unfortunately in a wrong approach.

Wilder is the stereotypical bumbling idiot from Alabama. I am not surprised at all that he actually believes these things and is using it to justify his loss. His fanbase might still believe in him but to the rest of the world he looks like a buffoon. The only way he can repair his image after this devastating loss is to get back to fighting and beat some credible opponents.

Once a loser you would be a loser and reasoning like this does proves out that you are even more worst than just on losing in a fight on where you cant just accept the reality.

Wilder should move on and prevent that severe mental stress because if he wont really make snap out of it then that would be a problem which might really affect

his entire boxing career which would be the worst scenario could happen. Dont blame others because it is just that there's a better boxer than him and making
some excuse make himself look even more bad or not appealing into the masses.

Wilder only lose once in his career, but it looks like he is already losing a lot of times, I'm so disappointed knowing that one lose could end one man's boxing career and that is not the fault of time or the sports itself but its his own fault, he is avoiding the opportunity to reclaim himself and instead he let himself suffer from that long depression if that's the right word to call it.

We know on how stress can badly affect someones mind which would really result into messing up everything.One lost wont really be enough
for Wilder to leave boxing literally basing off on numbers but once mental health condition is on the talks then that would be an another issue
which would might really be needing some medication which will take some time and he's indeed the only one who can cure or resolve.
If he could just realize then he should able to move on.

i want to see his previous conspiracy if that is funnier than this one .
his first conspuracy for their match could have been invalid and he thinks of another one just to convince the watchers that he didnt loose easily in a fair way but his second conspiracy is unbelivable because its his trainer and trainers are doing thier best to condition thier boxer to help them win and not to do something illegal that could make them loose .
what a crazy guy he is

You’d think there would be some shred of truth to his claims, but that seems a little far fetched. I saw the fight and it didn’t look like he was drugged or anything, it just looked like he wasn’t the better fighter. Maybe his camp was having some issues but at the end of the day I think they all wanted a victory. If not, he needs to get himself a new staff.

I think he already did get a few new people around him after he lost and that's why he dump his trainer Mark Breland. It's a case of he said, she said here, but like the majority of us who watch the fight many times, Fury is the better man that night and Wilder was really hurt, no plan B and so Fury knock him down and won the fight.

Wilder should move on and chase a fight not name Fury and bring back his confidence again with his new staff around.

I doubt that he had been told by the team itself when it comes on moving on since from the start on moving on forward specially now that they do able to see that he had really been affected much because of that lose.

He is capable off and theres no doubt with that and its just there are really just much better boxer who had able to beat you up.Well, thats how sports do works  on where neither you win or lose.

If he wont really moved on then it would really be hard for him to fight back in his well-conditioned body and mind.

Deontay Wilder does not look like a person who listen to his coaching staff, even if anyone wants to help him genuinely he will shut them out.

With all the blames Deontay Wilder proved that he is not able to make a successful return. His approach to boxing was the intimidating factor and his big punches and once a fighter looses that then other fighters will see that weakness and exploit that and it is not going to be easy for Wilder to overcome those mental obstacles.

You are absolutely correct, if the water was indeed spiked the fight between Wilder and Fury shouldn't have reach seventh-round before it reacts on his (Wilder) body. Besides, the reaction should also be reflected in his eyes and legs when he spar.



Shelly Finkel will gladly promote the fight if it going to take place because he stands by Wilder and also makes a statement about Fury not keeping words before he later read the content of the contract signed by Wilder and Fury before the second fight but Fury doesn't want to give Wilder the third fight cause he's more after the undisputed champion fight that's why he begs Joshua to his last fight so they could meet.
I read the undisputed (Joshua vs Fury)fight contract is signed but it yet to be announce.

This issue has only came out when he lose against Fury, the problem is so deep and I think the only problem is Wilder. I don't know how long his coach has been working with him but he was one of the reason of his success, and I don't think disrespecting anyone on his corner would do good for his future.

Maybe I should have added a poll asking if members here thought Wilder was simply seeking attention to shore up his efforts to get a fight with Fury or whether he is suffering from some sort of mental issues.

I guess that would be a great idea, and I think most of us would agree with that poll.
The fact that the right did not happen, fans are very much disappointed but good thing that the Joshua vs Fury was already announce and that's enough to shadowed our disappointment.. but go ahead with the poll, it would be interesting to know if what I thought is right. lol.

Agree with this.

Seek for attention? possibly but most likely this is on the side of mental issue  rather,basing on behavior it do shows that he cant just accept his defeat and cant move forward or able to move on.He's the only one that could fight into this kind of problem.

As we know social media has the tendency to become an echo chamber were people only hear what they want to hear, Wilder without a doubt is good but he got where he was mostly thanks to his punching power and not to his boxing ability and once he faced someone like Fury that despite his size can move really well and has very good technique then he had no chance, I just hope that Wilder is training and trying to improve his technique instead of just complaining because if they fight again and he does not change we will see the same result.

A poll has been added now. I am looking forward to how the voting plays out.

Nice, I voted for:

He is mentally unwell and is need of professional help

I think it's pretty obvious that Wilder may have been psychologically affected by his lost to Fury because of his claims and excuses and blames everyone and everything, including his heavy ring walk custome, his former coach Breland, who he said spike his water and is working on the side of Fury. The only reason why he loss is that Fury is the better man and he can't accept that.

Like what I have mentioned before, there are some fighters that claim that their defeat was due to an external cause (i.e. the other fighter was cheating, the scorecards were bias, etc.) but in fact, the problem is internal.

In Wilder's case, I think he is on the latter reason on why he lost this fight. Instead of focusing on the next fight, I think he is spending more time on blaming these external causes instead of just improving. I mean, it is relatively difficult to say especially that I am not on his shoes but he needs to be man and accept defeat in order to move on.

3-0 so far, all in favor of him being mentally unstable. lol. I voted as well.

Also, we saw in the first fight, Fury can take Wilder's punches and that made Fury a better fighter than him because he moves well and he is more stronger than Wilder. The 2nd fight was really a devastating loss of Wilder, trilogy is not necessary anymore but I still like to watch it if it's possible.

It's hard for us to speculate. If he keeps looking for scapegoats after every defeat it's going to become more obvious but for now it could be his frustration coming out. People love humble fighters who can take a defeat and learn from it. If you aren't like that just keep your mouth shut in public and have all arguments behind closed doors. What Wilder is doing is the shortest way to being booed at his next fight, or even not getting the next fight at all because nobody is going to want to work with him.

Chose up on the poll.

He is mentally unwell and is need of professional help

He need this one because it is quite obvious that he's suffering with some mental issues which do really need some professional help
but of course, he should really be the ones to fight off that problem and no other than that.

According to the poll result, a lot of people believe Wilder is mentally unwell and is in need of professional help which quite the opposite if you guys took your time to watch again the video of the fight. Wilder actually wants to the fight to continue before his trainer threw the towel which is what I believe actual cause the reason why he fired him but the spiked water is just a silly excuse.
Having said that, Wilder is just looking for a trilogy fight but he's doing it in the wrong way.

He needs to stop boxing if he will act this weird everytime he lose, just imagine, he just lose once and he is acting like it's the end of the world for him.  I'm sure if he behave professionally after his loss, he might get a trilogy and regardless of the result there's still fights that is lining up for him.

Fury now is the champion, his statements is disrespectful to the champion who proved to be a better fighter than him twice, the first one was a draw but people know who really won the fight.

 ;D
I have not heard of this. A very funny situation.
I cannot judge Deontays' mental health, and I think the survey is too unfair. It may be absurd, but sometimes even the stupidest conspiracy theories turn out to be true. Theoretically, this could happen, and why not happen when millions and tens of millions of dollars are at stake?
Accordingly, I would add a third point to the vote, that he may be right.

People arent that blind on not to tell on whose better on just seeing that 1st fight then even it do ends up on a draw but still we can really see on whose the winner on that one
and it had been proven out on that 2nd fight which Wilder did lost and the next thing happened is on when making out reasons after that which it turns out that he cant really
just accept on what happen.He do really believe too much into himself but once reality slap you in the face then you would really be having some hard time to accept it.

That is precisely the problem, he was never that good when it came to the technique of boxing but since he had such an impressive punching power he could get away with it for all his career, but now that he has lost just when he believed he was invincible and to lose in such an awful way has affected his mind, there are many athletes that lost and then cameback and that made them even greater on the eyes of the public, but he cannot accept the fact he lost so the only way to reconcile those two facts is to create completely crazy theories about why he lost.

By the way as you may imagine I voted for the option that states he is not mentally well and needs help.  :P

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Even though just 8 votes have been cast in the poll so far it is pointing clearly towards Wilder being in need of professional help to recover from his mental issues.

The question is, would he really be accepting that suggestion nor accept to himself that he's really on a mental problem? This would be hard, he would be refusing nor denying at its best.

Mental issues are really hard to solved on if you cant do it on yourself then seeking help to others would be your last option.

If he can just accept the reality then people would just simply ignore and forget on what happened.

The longer he will accept the lesser his chance of coming back in sport.

Thing is, his value is still high as a boxer, he can still make more money with more fights but the way he think and acts, that's stripping away that opportunity from him, unless he will apologize and try to be professional afterwards.

That is the problem, in order to improve on anything then you need to have a clear vision of what you are doing right and what you are doing wrong so you can improve, but if instead you give excuses which do not make sense then you have no motivation to work hard to improve, and without that he has no chance to recover his belt against Fury, if another fight was agreed upon it can be argued that he will lose even more convincingly as Fury will probably improve his game plan even further for the next fight.

Only 8 votes have been cast in the poll. 7 votes for: "He is mentally unwell and is need of professional help"

This thread deserves more votes.

I voted because he really is, and this defeat with Fury exposes his mental illness, a stable boxer will just pick himself up and go on to the next fight and just make himself better, and try to regain his confidence, he cannot get over with Fury, Fury beat him decisively and he's ego was hurt.

Sorry I forgot to vote, update that to 9-1 now, and maybe despite of the small number of votes that expected, with that voting result, we already know what people think about Wilder.  :D

Never too late to make out some apologize on the things he had been trying to fight out.This isnt talking literally with boxing itself but rather on fighting on ones self.

When it comes to value then thats no doubt but be sure that he wont be letting his name to be forgotten by his fans and jumped out into another favorite boxer.
He wont able to reach out that rank or position if he's not capable, its just he cant really just accept the reality when someone losses on a sport.

There's no specific on how long he would really be facing off this problem.

One of the known boxers. Haton did really make out some comments about him.
"Hatton says he wonders whether the former WBC heavyweight champion Wilder (42-1-1, 41 KOs) is in a good place mentally after the loss to Fury because his comments sound like someone that isn’t rational."
Source: https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/170373/170373

For sure other boxers would having the same sentiment.

Hatton knows the feeling of defeat and he suffer a devastating loss against Manny Manny Pacquiao, he fought after that loss and still loss again, maybe he loss his focus when his ego was destroyed by the big loss and Hatton was not able to come back in boxing again.

Wilder is different though but the effect seems too big for him to handle, that's what happen when a boxer has not taste defeat yet and has a mindset that he will never loss, accepting that loss might take some time for Wilder but hopefully he will soon realize as loss is a loss, he can't change it.

^^ And Hatton went into depression, gain a lot of weight and there are reports that he do drugs as well to cope up with that devastating lost to Pacman.

And I agree that Wilder is a different case though, he didn't remain quiet as compare to Hatton, he went on a public meltdown that majority of us suspected that the lost against Fury was more of a mental to him. As he thinks he still has control of everything, but he is not.

Thank you all for voting. It is now 12-1 but 13 votes in the poll is still a very low figure. I hope others start voting too.

That's why being humble every time helps a lot to regain their sense because if those boxers who don't lose once before they get their first loss have been in high esteem every time they step in the ring. Just like what happen to Broner when he fought Maidana. Know that when you are strong there is always someone out there stronger than you and can defeat you at any moment that's why acceptance should be a must in this kind of scenario. I really hope to see him fight with Fury again but in this kind of situation that wouldn't be any good for him. He needs to find himself again and find his real reason why he wants to be the best of all fighters.

I voted even if there are 1000 voters they will vote the same option we did
I guess based on what he is showing and what he is talking we can easily tell that he needs a professional who can get him out from the bad memory of losing to Fury it really haunts him.

He was beaten up really hard in the 2nd fight, I'm sure he did not expect and so he did not see it coming.

That's the problem when he is too convince that he is the best and maybe underestimate the power of Fury since he was able to knock him down in the first fight.  If only it was a close match and Wilder loss in a split decision, things could be different but the world witnessed how bad he lose from that KO win by Fury.

When you are really expecting to be the best in the world and when someone do beat your ass then you would really be having a hard time on moving on.
This would become a nightmare that would really be haunting you down every now and then.It might be nonsense but there are people who
are really having that kind of emotional problem or taking things up too seriously which would result for their minds to be out of right thinking.

16 votes so far... only 2 votes are for the opinion Wilder is seeking attention in the hope a trilogy with Fury will take place.

Didn't know that the loss with Pacquiao was something that Hatton took to the next level, I feel bad for him, I hope that this has already passed and Hatton is recovering from his problem. I think that each fighter have a different coping mechanisms, its just that Wilder is a bit more open than the other so we can see his breakdowns, nothing wrong with that personally, we have to have some vent for our feelings after all.

Being and remaining humble is probably not one of the characteristics that most people will choose to have in a  world champion but it is absolutely necessary, even the champions that you see talking a lot and being kind of haughty still need to remain humble when they lose or otherwise they will never recover from it, this is what it is happening to Wilder, he needs to recompose himself and accept the defeat and train himself as he if was just starting his career as a boxer or he will never recover from this.

Wilder showed a lot of respect to Fury after the first fight but that changed after the re-match.

In all honesty I never encountered anybody that thought the fight should have been a draw because Fury won that fight, maybe that was the reason Wilder was so generous with his words towards Fury because a re-match was in the contract.

It would be easy to say Wilder should be humble, I think he should but I also do not know his state of mind. It seems clear he needs help and needs to stay away from the boxing ring therefore it might not be possible right now to mentally well enough to know the difference between being humble and seeking attention by making allegations that are hard to believe.

Being and remaining humble is probably not one of the characteristics that most people will choose to have in a  world champion but it is absolutely necessary, even the champions that you see talking a lot and being kind of haughty still need to remain humble when they lose or otherwise they will never recover from it, this is what it is happening to Wilder, he needs to recompose himself and accept the defeat and train himself as he if was just starting his career as a boxer or he will never recover from this.
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Can we not call the remark as one of those "spur of the moment" thing? It appears he was frustrated at the bombs his former coach dropped on him. Who wouldn't be furious when someone whom he trained under for so long says "Your career is over"? I don't think he's that mentally unwell. Perhaps emotionally unstable when he said that.

Point taken but I do not see Wilder being a sore loser who is creating mischief for the sake of it. He really seems mentally unwell because there is not other real explanation for the comments he is making and the absurd accusations.

If he really wants another fight with Fury he must get his mental health back then have some warm up fights before he can challenge Fury.

You have to understand where his former is coming from. Wilder dismissed Breland because he thinks he is colluding with the camp of Tyson Fury. I mean of all people close to Wilder, why would he accused his trainer, who have been with him since the beginning? Throwing the towel and then saying that he has spike his water? close of saying that he wanted Wilder to lose against Fury. That is absurd.

So his trainer spoke about him, saying things that "your career is over", maybe he was really that close to Wilder that he knows him personally and emotionally. And we all see that Wilder can't take that lose and blame everyone.

Still just 16 votes in the poll. With the number of people posting here and the thread views it deserves more votes...

Yeah of course, or maybe you can just put a 3rd option, which is "no comment".  ;D
Anyway, Wilder vs Fury Trilogy seems dead and not happening anymore, and though Wilder trying to get some attention here, it would not benefit him.

I voted, it's 17 now. And just like what the majority think, I have the same in mind so it's all against Wilder and we can tell that people are not happy with his trying to blame strategy. If he can be a man, he needs to accept the defeat or accept if he has a mental problem now, get cured and back in the ring ASAP.

I'm not surprised at all that many members voted that he needs medical attention, I voted too, and he really needs a medical attention, I think he is suffering from anxiety symptoms and this is really risky for his comeback back I read that he will go against Andy Ruiz, and Andy Ruiz is also very raring to comeback again, Ruiz is no patsy and might jeopardize his comeback.

We are up to 18 votes now: 16-2 seems clear enough that Wilder is in need of help from mental health professionals

If that rumor is true then it's a good start for Wilder to revive his career, and hopefully he will stop talking.

Ruiz vs Wilder, that would be an easy fight for Wilder for sure as Ruiz doesn't have the boxing skills of Fury and he could be a great target of Wilder with his one punch KO. Hopefully he will be given a chance, whoever he will face as long as he can give a good fight.

However, on the other side, if Wilder will loss, then it could be the end of his career as another accusation may come out.  ;D

Fair point, however I think the main question is who has the influence over Wilder to tell him that he needs help? He is not even listening to his former trainer and Wilder believes he had something to do with his defeat by colluding with the opposite camp, Wilder does not seem to understand that by throwing the towel not only his trainers protected his career, they protected his life and the quality of life he will have after he retires and instead of appreciate this fact he thinks ill of them.

In this case it should be his direct family, if we have a big problem like this, it's only our family that we can count unto. Wilder is facing a serious problem, he wouldn't say these malicious words if he is in in the right mind, so he should be check and he should submit to make it work.

If the Fury-Joshua two fight deal does not go ahead because they could not first find and then second agree to a venue then what are the chances Wilder get another chance at Fury?

What are the chances the trilogy could go ahead?

I dont see any chance for that trilogy to happen specially that Wilder is showing off some mental stress that we have seen lately.Do you think that Fury's team do need to prove out something and agrees on having
that 3rd fight?


Bob Arum and Eddie Hearn have both said that Wilder's mediation over his rematch clause will be for financial compensation, not to force a third fight with Fury.
https://www.dazn.com/en-PH/news/boxing/there-will-be-no-trilogy-fight-between-tyson-fury-and-deontay-wilder-say-promoters/6ey65r3xq6wx1ff9fbrrz9ish

Fury definitely has nothing to prove that is for sure but if the Fury-Joshua fight deal collapses then he will need to get in the ring with a box-office star and Fury-Wilder is going to bring in more income than say Whyte, Ruiz, Parker and others.

This thread deserved a bump because the trilogy seems to be going ahead with a rescheduled fight taking place on 9th October 2021 after the drama surrounding Fury testing positive with COVID-19.

If Wilder gets beaten again will he cite more unfounded reasons and conspiracies for his defeat? If Wilder wins will he cite those previous allegations as evidence he was cheated in the re-match? He is doing well to stay mostly silent this time in promotions and he has not given in to the taunts by Fury but I think we will hear more wild conspiracy theories from Wilder after the fight whether he wins or loses.

Both neither he would win or lose, he would really make out some comments or those conspiracies and reasoning on why he lost on that rematch and why he won on the current match.
Thing here is that is Fury would really be doing the opposite in case he would lost up to Wilder this time? If Wilder lose then the public would just simply ignore on what are the possible
words that would come out into his mouth.I wont be surprised if there would be some possible delays again before October schedule for some another possible reason.

I never gave Deontay Wilder a chance to win the fight and he will not learn his mistakes and now the fight is pushed back due to the Corona infection by Tyson Fury i only want to see him fight if he is completely healthy from the after effects of the infection and one thing is certain Wilder will come out with stories if he losses again but if he wins we will see another fight.

 

He’s not mentally ill, he’s just looking for any excuse why Fury totally humiliated him in tge ring. He thought he was the man, undefeated, invincible champ. I don’t expect a different outcome in the third fight. He’ll never have to work again though, his family is sorted financially for life.

As far as money is concerned both Fury and Wilder are already set for life but they will be happy to get many millions more by having a unification fight. I agree that Fury will win the fight, it is just a matter of getting in the ring and dismantling Wilder again.