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Title: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on April 24, 2021, 07:42:46 PM I’m sure you’ve all read about Craig Wright (Faketoshi) attempting to prove ownership of bitcoin.org & claims he wrote the bitcoin whitepaper & is Satoshi.
This week London’s High Court have permitted Wright to chase down Cøbra over ‘copyright infringement’. You can read the full story here - www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/apr/23/australian-man-craig-wrights-claim-he-invented-bitcoin-to-be-considered-by-uk-court Any way, my reason for starting this thread is just to see if anybody wanted to donate to Cøbra’s publicly displayed bitcoin address ahead of court litigation. You can see his bitcoin address on his official Twitter - @CobraBitcoin My BTC address is 1Cobra3fJstD9g3DJ2oaUpDps5gJsZa4eS and my PGP key fingerprint is 61559B1EEFB3F8DA6C40BAAC6F85594478CE4C7A. https://twitter.com/cobrabitcoin/status/948598658848710656?s=21 (Please follow the link to verify his receiving address for yourself). I just wanted to give people the chance to donate to Cøbra. We’re all here for a true love of bitcoin. Good honest trustworthy people who have dedicated their lives to bitcoin deserve our support. (Sorry if this is in the wrong section of the forum - Wasn’t sure where to post - Feel free to move if necessary) Title: Re: Donate to Cobra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: AB de Royse777 on April 24, 2021, 08:03:07 PM (Sorry if this is in the wrong section of the forum - Wasn’t sure where to post - Feel free to move if necessary) Maybe service section or bitcoin discussion section but honestly speaking I am not too sure too. The reason for those two alternative board is because surely this is not a forum related issue.London’s high court this week allowed Craig Wright’s lawyers to pursue the operator and publisher of the bitcoin.org website, called Cobra, over what they say is copyright infringement, according to documents filed in court seen by Reuters. I have no idea how the court gave the permission to chase down Cobra. Is this a new kind of joke. Hasn't Faketoshi been already marked as fake by US court?Maybe we the community needs to file a case against Write, take a legal action for harassing the bitcoin community this way. If he can not provide a signed message from the first block publicly then take his clothes off and ask to seek apology to all of us in public. Title: Re: Donate to Cobra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: PrimeNumber7 on April 24, 2021, 11:27:02 PM Is he actually asking for help? My understanding is that cobra has been involved in bitcoin for a long time, and I would presume that to mean he has a lot of financial resources.
I don't think that address he posted on twitter is intended for donations, but rather to allow someone to verify his identity cryptographically. I wouldn't send any donations unless he is asking for help. Title: Re: Donate to Cobra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: Cøbra on April 24, 2021, 11:45:11 PM Someone sent me this thread. Just wanted to say thanks for making it.
Lawyers like his who are willing to go along (and seem to enjoy) with filing completely made up cases are some of the biggest scumbags IMO. There is nothing real to litigate, because everything is made up. There isn't even a hint of truth behind any of it. They're just attempting to use the legal system as a tool to dox people, and financially ruin them. I don't know what's going to happen with my case, but no doubt he will appeal and file more cases against me for more made up nonsense. How do you deal with this crap, when someone can just make up a story, and sue you? And you have to spend money and years of your life fighting against it? These are quite dangerous and desperate people, so I'm still exploring ways I can fight this while keeping my anonymity. It's looking like it may actually be possible, but we'll have to see about that. I'm surprised he hasn't attracted the attention of law enforcement yet, especially after trying to seize £3B worth of Bitcoin with a totally made up story. Hopefully it won't be too long until he's thrown in jail. Title: Re: Donate to Cobra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: minkpump on April 25, 2021, 12:58:03 AM He is a pure opportunist, in fact at some point on this planet of opportunists someone would try to gain the authority of bitcoin, what puzzles me is really the justice to let this happen, how do the courts let someone play with a property worth trillions?
Title: Re: Do you mean "ø" Cøbra - u=249495 Post by: Timelord2067 on April 25, 2021, 01:56:06 AM I'm a little lost here...
You might want to correct the title of your thread - there's user Cobra - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=49473 Code: Name: Cobra and then there is the user Cøbra - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=249495 Code: Name: Cøbra Two very different users. Title: Re: Do you mean "ø" Cøbra - u=249495 Post by: suchmoon on April 25, 2021, 02:16:46 AM I'm a little lost here... Even if you really couldn't figure out whom LFC_Bitcoin is talking about, reading the thread or at least a couple of posts above yours would get you unlost in a jiffy. Title: Re: Donate to Cobra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: PrimeNumber7 on April 25, 2021, 02:47:54 AM How do you deal with this crap, when someone can just make up a story, and sue you? What crimes do you think CSW has committed? Making accusations in court is typically protected speech, as long as the person does not lie while under oath. Lawyers filing frivolous lawsuits can be subject to sanctions, but this will not affect the client. I don't follow CSW's story very closely, but I have followed it closely enough to conclude that I believe he is not satoshi. I also read some of the testimony he gave a few years back, and it sounds like he is very good at playing with words in a way that will confuse people. These are quite dangerous and desperate people, so I'm still exploring ways I can fight this while keeping my anonymity. It's looking like it may actually be possible, but we'll have to see about that. I'm surprised he hasn't attracted the attention of law enforcement yet, especially after trying to seize £3B worth of Bitcoin with a totally made up story. Hopefully it won't be too long until he's thrown in jail. I am not familiar with UK copyright law, but I am surprised the court would even recognize as having jurisdiction over the matter if bitcoin.org does not have a registered agent in the UK. My suspicion is that the purpose of all these lawsuits is not necessarily to obtain money from the people he is suing, but rather to get a judge to rule that he is in fact satoshi (see my above comment about CWS being good at confusing people by playing with words). Title: Re: Donate to Cobra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: hacker1001101001 on April 25, 2021, 03:16:11 AM There is nothing real to litigate, because everything is made up. That's the solid core truth, whatever the fuck he says you should not drop down your anonymity for such an fly like Craig Wright from the pile of shit BSV. Bitcoin was always about protecting privacy ! Title: Re: Donate to Cobra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: ChiBitCTy on April 25, 2021, 03:47:16 AM How do you deal with this crap, when someone can just make up a story, and sue you? What crimes do you think CSW has committed? Making accusations in court is typically protected speech, as long as the person does not lie while under oath. Lawyers filing frivolous lawsuits can be subject to sanctions, but this will not affect the client. I don't follow CSW's story very closely, but I have followed it closely enough to conclude that I believe he is not satoshi. I also read some of the testimony he gave a few years back, and it sounds like he is very good at playing with words in a way that will confuse people. These are quite dangerous and desperate people, so I'm still exploring ways I can fight this while keeping my anonymity. It's looking like it may actually be possible, but we'll have to see about that. I'm surprised he hasn't attracted the attention of law enforcement yet, especially after trying to seize £3B worth of Bitcoin with a totally made up story. Hopefully it won't be too long until he's thrown in jail. I am not familiar with UK copyright law, but I am surprised the court would even recognize as having jurisdiction over the matter if bitcoin.org does not have a registered agent in the UK. My suspicion is that the purpose of all these lawsuits is not necessarily to obtain money from the people he is suing, but rather to get a judge to rule that he is in fact satoshi (see my above comment about CWS being good at confusing people by playing with words). If you read my recent post in dev & tech discussion you'll see how he completely exposed himself to me on twitter back in 2019. He knows he's never going to get any sort of ruling or anything what so ever that says he's satoshi or awards him coins or whatever..but what he is doing is keeping up the charade. There's A LOT of idiots out there who still buy his bs. He of course needs to keep them believing that he really is Satoshi, and if he stops fighting /making up lies etc..he will lose a lot of support. Of course if he was ever fully exposed, he'd lose everything. He's a true piece of gutter filth. Best of luck Cobra..the one good thing you've maybe got going is this would likely be a somewhat high profile case so I wouldn't be surprised if a lawyer would do it for a very reasonable costs being that they'll be getting some great exposure. At least I hope. Title: Re: Donate to Cobra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: PrimeNumber7 on April 25, 2021, 04:16:22 AM There is nothing real to litigate, because everything is made up. That's the solid core truth, whatever the fuck he says you should not drop down your anonymity for such an fly like Craig Wright from the pile of shit BSV. How do you deal with this crap, when someone can just make up a story, and sue you? What crimes do you think CSW has committed? Making accusations in court is typically protected speech, as long as the person does not lie while under oath. Lawyers filing frivolous lawsuits can be subject to sanctions, but this will not affect the client. I don't follow CSW's story very closely, but I have followed it closely enough to conclude that I believe he is not satoshi. I also read some of the testimony he gave a few years back, and it sounds like he is very good at playing with words in a way that will confuse people. These are quite dangerous and desperate people, so I'm still exploring ways I can fight this while keeping my anonymity. It's looking like it may actually be possible, but we'll have to see about that. I'm surprised he hasn't attracted the attention of law enforcement yet, especially after trying to seize £3B worth of Bitcoin with a totally made up story. Hopefully it won't be too long until he's thrown in jail. I am not familiar with UK copyright law, but I am surprised the court would even recognize as having jurisdiction over the matter if bitcoin.org does not have a registered agent in the UK. My suspicion is that the purpose of all these lawsuits is not necessarily to obtain money from the people he is suing, but rather to get a judge to rule that he is in fact satoshi (see my above comment about CWS being good at confusing people by playing with words). If you read my recent post in dev & tech discussion you'll see how he completely exposed himself to me on twitter back in 2019. He knows he's never going to get any sort of ruling or anything what so ever that says he's satoshi or awards him coins or whatever..but what he is doing is keeping up the charade. There's A LOT of idiots out there who still buy his bs. He of course needs to keep them believing that he really is Satoshi, and if he stops fighting /making up lies etc..he will lose a lot of support. Of course if he was ever fully exposed, he'd lose everything. He's a true piece of gutter filth. Title: Re: Donate to Cobra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: pooya87 on April 25, 2021, 06:27:45 AM What crimes do you think CSW has committed? Making accusations in court is typically protected speech, as long as the person does not lie while under oath. Lawyers filing frivolous lawsuits can be subject to sanctions, but this will not affect the client. I don't follow CSW's story very closely, but I have followed it closely enough to conclude that I believe he is not satoshi. You already answered your own question. Identity theft and lying under oath are two of his many crimes.What I don't get about this particular lawsuit is how can someone even start a lawsuit concerning copyright claims for something that was clearly published under MIT license? (Bitcoin paper was released with bitcoin client both under MIT license) Quote from: https://opensource.org/licenses/MIT Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions: The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software. THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE. Title: Re: Donate to Cobra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: NotATether on April 25, 2021, 06:47:19 AM This is the law firm that's running CSW's case https://uk.ontier.net/ Looks like a generic law firm without an Australian branch so the only way these guys would actually serve a litigation like this is if he has friends in there.
Just like all the guys writing for his CoinGeek operation. What I don't get about this particular lawsuit is how can someone even start a lawsuit concerning copyright claims for something that was clearly published under MIT license? (Bitcoin paper was released with bitcoin client both under MIT license) It seems like his law firm bought the bait: https://www.ontier.net/ia/wright-v-cobra-ontier-press-release.pdf Quote The bitcoin.org website, which promotes the digital asset referred to as ‘Bitcoin Core’, is hosting and publishing a copy of Dr Wright’s academic White Paper “Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System”, without Dr Wright’s consent. Dr Wright owns the copyright to the White Paper, which he authored and first released in October 2008 under the now-famous moniker ‘Satoshi Nakamoto’. ONTIER, on Dr Wright’s behalf, had previously written to ‘Cøbra’, informing them that they were infringing Dr Wright’s copyright and requesting that they remove the White Paper from the website. ‘Cøbra’, whose real name remains unknown, has refused to comply with this request. Copyright means nothing for an asset that is legally licensed under the MIT license, so all Cobra's lawyers theoretically have to do to throw out the case is to point out that by placing the MIT license on it, he has forfeited "his" (blech!) rights to restrict the use of the whitepaper. Then we wait out CSW's endless court cases until he runs out of BSV to finance them. Title: Re: Donate to Cobra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: LoyceV on April 25, 2021, 09:06:33 AM (Sorry if this is in the wrong section of the forum - Wasn’t sure where to post - Feel free to move if necessary) Maybe service section or bitcoin discussion section but honestly speaking I am not too sure too. The reason for those two alternative board is because surely this is not a forum related issue.I guess he's going after Bitcoin.org because it doesn't have deep pockets like Bitcointalk, and because the owner is more or less anonymous? That's low Crack, even for you! Further reading: gmaxwell's topic So, you want to get sued by a scammer? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5311388.0) Obviously, any ruling by a court saying that CSW is satoshi doesn't make that statement true, although it would make it important to make it clear that you are stating an opinion when saying that CSW is not satoshi. I trust signed messages:Big news regarding Faketoshi and his ownership regarding Tulip Trust addresses. Someone signed this message from 100 addresses with BTC mined in 2009: "Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message. The Lightning Network is a significant achievement. However, we need to continue work on improving on-chain capacity. Unfortunately, the solution is not to just change a constant in the code or to allow powerful participants to force out others. We are all Satoshi" Code: "Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message. Title: Re: Donate to Cobra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on April 25, 2021, 09:35:35 AM Someone sent me this thread. Just wanted to say thanks for making it. My pleasure. I’ve just donated - 64053a8b209089dc7a87ba8766ea645f77866dab40f352383a360a85c55374c7 It’s not much but let’s get this rolling guys. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: nullius on April 25, 2021, 01:05:04 PM These are quite dangerous and desperate people, so I'm still exploring ways I can fight this while keeping my anonymity. It's looking like it may actually be possible, but we'll have to see about that. Cøbra, of course there are many people offering their opinions on this particular point. Some are urging you to reveal yourself; others, to the contrary. More as a message to them—to all of them, I will tell you what you already damn well know: Because you are anonymous, only you have the requisite information for making decisions about how to handle this. It is obvious that if you dox yourself, then even after you win the case, you will still suffer significant detriments from disclosure of your identity: Irreparable loss of the privacy which is of inestimable value in itself, risk of exposure to harassment or worse from random nutjobs (as Jameson Lopp suffered a few years ago), the likelihood of further pseudolegal attacks from a party who has publicly declared that, in substantial essence, he will maliciously abuse legal process to “destroy” people who don’t dance to his tune—these are only a few of the detriments that immediately come to mind. Only you know yourself and your life. Only you know how well you can handle this, in the long term. On the flipside, perhaps you may have a strategic advantage. CSW and his lawyers have no significant information about the party whom they have sued. Legalities aside, as a practical matter, there are personal characteristics and qualities which can make a difference, sometimes a decisive difference, in the course of litigation. That is not the theory of how the law is supposed to work; but that is how it does work, for better or for worse. An intelligent lawyer (which CSW lacks) usually tries to keep such factors in mind before suing—perhaps sometimes only to avoid being shocked by an unexpectedly formidable adversary. In the same vein, an unethical lawyer representing a malicious plaintiff may want to know whether or not he is picking on someone whom he can bully and manipulate in court. I know that hypothetically, if I were to out myself, many people would be surprised... Maybe you, too. Either way. At this point, only you have the knowledge that is necessary to evaluate that. In a word, only you know your own profile. Overall, it is grossly unjust for you to be placed in a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” position whereby to defend yourself legally from a malicious abuse of process, you may need to incur on yourself the aforesaid detriments which, thereafter, the court cannot cure. I hope that a way can be found to avoid that dilemma, which CSW is deliberately, manipulatively exploiting. On a personal note, in my own experience, the road to Hell is paved with the broken corpses of martyrs; and by standing up for my own principles and ideals with blind intransigence, I have sometimes so damaged my same principles and ideals as to constitute a betrayal motivated by loyalty. It is a trap for activist personalities. Only you can know yourself well enough to avoid such things. P.S., on another note, I may owe you a public apology for a few of the harsh statements that I have made to you before. No matter how you may reasonably choose to handle the above issue, the way that you are standing up for the truth and for Bitcoin speaks as to your character. Title: Re: Donate to Cobra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: AB de Royse777 on April 25, 2021, 01:10:34 PM I'd say this relates to the foundation of Bitcointalk! There's also https://bitcointalk.org/bitcoin.pdf. I was not aware about that link. However, it seems the mod moved this to Bitcoin Discussion board.Quote I guess he's going after Bitcoin.org because it doesn't have deep pockets like Bitcointalk, and because the owner is more or less anonymous? That's low Crack, even for you! It's hard to tell the reason, maybe Wright can better explain it in any interview if he is asked. After all he likes to seek attention.They're just attempting to use the legal system as a tool to dox people, and financially ruin them. I don't know what's going to happen with my case, but no doubt he will appeal and file more cases against me for more made up nonsense. Talk for a few months, some interview from Wright and then everything will cool down again until he comes up with another made up case against someone else in bitcoin community.Quote How do you deal with this crap, when someone can just make up a story, and sue you? And you have to spend money and years of your life fighting against it? You may sue him back, ask for compensation for an attempt to damage your image with his made up crap.He is fake, there are no public prove that he owns the copyright, he had not proved himself satoshi yet, and I doubt he will ever. First let him prove (which he can not) that he is satoshi then ask the court for the next step. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: nullius on April 25, 2021, 01:37:51 PM How do you deal with this crap, when someone can just make up a story, and sue you? And you have to spend money and years of your life fighting against it? You may sue him back, ask for compensation for an attempt to damage your image with his made up crap.Courts lack an adequate remedy for loss of anonymity, which would be irreparable. He is fake, there are no public prove that he owns the copyright, I don’t even see how that question can be reached. It is reasonably indisputable that Satoshi irrevocably licenced the whitepaper for distribution by others. he had not proved himself satoshi yet, and I doubt he will ever. I have not proved myself Napoleon yet. The nice men in white coats doubt I will ever, but that’s because they are crazy. Should I sue them to set them straight? First let him prove (which he can not) that he is satoshi then [...] An attorney in the relevant jurisdiction would know how best to explain why that is the threshold question. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: Cøbra on April 25, 2021, 04:58:03 PM On the flipside, perhaps you may have a strategic advantage. CSW and his lawyers have no significant information about the party whom they have sued. True, that's a big disadvantage for them. They have no idea who they sued. According to court papers, they hired private investigators to find out my identity. As expected those investigators failed to find anything. Going into a lawsuit completely blind is beyond stupid, especially when your claim is very weak. Another disadvantage for them is the publicity this case is attracting. If he wins this case, he is legally recognized as Satoshi Nakamoto, the inventor of Bitcoin. He's asserting he has "database rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_right)" to the Bitcoin ledger. He asserts he owns the "Bitcoin" name. He'll inevitably claim the Satoshi coins. This is why he fights so hard to get a court to declare him as Satoshi, so he can begin enforcing these claims against exchanges, wallets, developers, etc. Obviously he will lose, but I suppose he's deluded himself and his followers into believing this is a viable strategy to take BSV to the moon. But there are just too many eyes on this, and too much money in this space to allow someone like him to even have the chance to legally assume the Satoshi moniker and associated intellectual property. The best intellectual property law firm in the UK is actively working on this whitepaper issue. He is outgunned legally. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: BrewMaster on April 25, 2021, 05:46:48 PM a good initiative but i think a much better movement is if we started a campaign forcing all exchanges to remove BSV from their trading pairs. according to coinmarketcap.com there are still a lot of them that offer the trading pair for this scam coin.
to name a few big names according to their volume and popularity: Huobi, OKEx, HitBTC, Poloniex, BiOne, KuCoin, Bitfinex, Bittrex, Gate.io, Bithumb and Binance Jex. although this shitcoin has been dumping for over a year now but all these exchanges are providing liquidity to the scammer who would then use the funds to sue people and also cause disruption in bitcoin's development (like suing bitcoin devs). Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: dkbit98 on April 25, 2021, 09:32:45 PM According to court papers, they hired private investigators to find out my identity. As expected those investigators failed to find anything. Going into a lawsuit completely blind is beyond stupid, especially when your claim is very weak. omg he even hired private investigators and they are probably scanning every word you ever wrote online on twitter and forum to find some clues ::) That means that anyone can claim to be you and even some puppet he hired to be fake Cøbra who loses the case in theory just for Faketoshi to claim his pyrrhic victory, and I don't understand how court can really confirm identity. The best intellectual property law firm in the UK is actively working on this whitepaper issue. He is outgunned legally. It's good thing that COPA filled a lawsuit against him and I don't think he has any chance in court except if he finds some corrupt judge that is willing to take some bribe. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: PrimeNumber7 on April 26, 2021, 05:51:42 AM What crimes do you think CSW has committed? Making accusations in court is typically protected speech, as long as the person does not lie while under oath. Lawyers filing frivolous lawsuits can be subject to sanctions, but this will not affect the client. I don't follow CSW's story very closely, but I have followed it closely enough to conclude that I believe he is not satoshi. You already answered your own question. Identity theft and lying under oath are two of his many crimes.The above distinction is important because, in order to convict someone of lying under oath, the prosecution needs to prove the statement is false. There isn't anyone else claiming to be satoshi, not even satohsi Nakamoto himself (https://www.newsweek.com/2014/03/14/face-behind-bitcoin-247957.html). The same principle applies to identity theft. I think it is plausible that Dave Kleiman is satoshi, that CSW knows this and that no one will ever be able to prove they CSW is not satoshi, however, it is also possible that the litigation between Kleiman's estate and Wright was an effort to give credence to Wright being satoshi (I did not follow the litigation closely, nor am I aware of its outcome). I have long suspected that satoshi no longer has access to his cryptic keys, either because he is dead, in jail, or for whatever reason lost access to his keys. I think if satoshi did have access to his keys, and is not CSW, he would have presented a signed message saying that Wright is not satoshi by now. Another disadvantage for them is the publicity this case is attracting. If he wins this case, he is legally recognized as Satoshi Nakamoto, the inventor of Bitcoin. He's asserting he has "database rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_right)" to the Bitcoin ledger. He asserts he owns the "Bitcoin" name. He'll inevitably claim the Satoshi coins. This is why he fights so hard to get a court to declare him as Satoshi, so he can begin enforcing these claims against exchanges, wallets, developers, etc. Obviously he will lose, but I suppose he's deluded himself and his followers into believing this is a viable strategy to take BSV to the moon. But there are just too many eyes on this, and too much money in this space to allow someone like him to even have the chance to legally assume the Satoshi moniker and associated intellectual property. The best intellectual property law firm in the UK is actively working on this whitepaper issue. He is outgunned legally. If Wright were to actually prove he is satoshi in court in his case against you, he should be able to easily enforce any rights associated with being satoshi has (I am hesitant to believe satoshi has many rights -- see my below comment). However, if for example, Wright were to win a default judgment against you, and the court were to rule that he is in fact satoshi, he would not be able to enforce any associated rights (if this were the case, he could simply sue someone friendly to him in order to have a court rule in his favor). I think BSV has insane technical specifications, but I also think CSW probably also owns an outsized number of BSV coin via being a major miner of that coin. CSW probably doesn't own the same number of BSV coin that satoshi mined of bitcoin, but he probably has a lot of BSV. I think if CSW were to win a case against a major bitcoin figure, the price of BSV would increase a lot. I have commented before as to why CSW might win a case, and it is not because of actual merit. In the very unlikely event that Wright was able to legitimately prove he is in fact satoshi, he very clearly should not have any rights over the bitcoin software, or the bitcoin database/ledger (commonly known as the blockchain), as satoshi's very first commit (https://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/code/1/) of the bitcoin software code explicitly said it was distributed under an MIT license (https://opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php). The whitepaper was appearently (https://web.archive.org/web/20100717041828/http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/) included in the original code (https://web.archive.org/web/20091127010808/http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/) files, but it is less explicit that the whitepaper was published under the MIT license. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: pooya87 on April 26, 2021, 06:18:33 AM While I don't believe CSW is not satoshi (in fact I believe CSW is not satoshi), I cannot prove this to be true. The absence of proof that a statement is true is not evidence the statement is false. Similarly, attempts to fraudulently prove a statement to be true is not evidence the statement is false, although it may be evidence the person presenting the fraudulent evidence should not be trusted. You are right but proof is an entirely different matter. The person making a claim must prove their claim not the others. When someone is pulling identity fraud they have to prove the identity they claim they have is their real identity not others prove they are lying.That also doesn't change the fact that he is a criminal. The rest is just legal shenanigans that Craig Scammer Wright is using to disrupt bitcoin by attacking individuals and forcing them to waste their precious time defending a nonsense. That just proves the flaw in our legal systems. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: PrimeNumber7 on April 26, 2021, 06:40:08 AM While I don't believe CSW is not satoshi (in fact I believe CSW is not satoshi), I cannot prove this to be true. The absence of proof that a statement is true is not evidence the statement is false. Similarly, attempts to fraudulently prove a statement to be true is not evidence the statement is false, although it may be evidence the person presenting the fraudulent evidence should not be trusted. You are right but proof is an entirely different matter. The person making a claim must prove their claim not the others. When someone is pulling identity fraud they have to prove the identity they claim they have is their real identity not others prove they are lying.That also doesn't change the fact that he is a criminal. The original question was: What crimes do you think CSW has committed? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5332996.msg56862985#msg56862985) In order for Wright to have any influence, or assert any rights for being satoshi, he will need to in fact prove that he is satoshi. However, if a government were to charge him with a crime for falsely claiming to be satoshi, the prosecution will need to prove that Wright is in fact not satoshi. I get that CSW is not very popular in this forum, and I have a very low opinion of him myself. However being unpopular does not mean you should not have your due process rights. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: Kong Hey Pakboy on April 26, 2021, 07:00:33 AM Pretty noble endeavor but I don't think that Cøbra needs the help right now, plus we all have our own problems right now and I think that we can't afford putting other people's plight before ours. Nonetheless, Cøbra will win this because CSW is a fake ass and the only thing that keeps this fake afloat is the money that he gets from this lawsuits.
Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on April 27, 2021, 08:06:34 PM Pretty noble endeavor but I don't think that Cøbra needs the help right now, plus we all have our own problems right now and I think that we can't afford putting other people's plight before ours. Many, many people can afford to donate to what I consider a worthy cause. I donated £50 worth of BTC myself. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: DaRude on May 01, 2021, 01:15:14 AM Pretty noble endeavor but I don't think that Cøbra needs the help right now, plus we all have our own problems right now and I think that we can't afford putting other people's plight before ours. Nonetheless, Cøbra will win this because CSW is a fake ass and the only thing that keeps this fake afloat is the money that he gets from this lawsuits. Instructions weren't clear, will donate now. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: DooMAD on May 01, 2021, 11:21:41 AM a good initiative but i think a much better movement is if we started a campaign forcing all exchanges to remove BSV from their trading pairs. according to coinmarketcap.com there are still a lot of them that offer the trading pair for this scam coin. to name a few big names according to their volume and popularity: Huobi, OKEx, HitBTC, Poloniex, BiOne, KuCoin, Bitfinex, Bittrex, Gate.io, Bithumb and Binance Jex. although this shitcoin has been dumping for over a year now but all these exchanges are providing liquidity to the scammer who would then use the funds to sue people and also cause disruption in bitcoin's development (like suing bitcoin devs). Indeed. We also need to apply pressure to conferences (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5332699.msg56853815#msg56853815), as they provide an audience for him to propagandise in front of. It needs to be a total embargo. Where do we begin? Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: japanese2212 on May 01, 2021, 03:42:51 PM 3 billion he is asking fabricating belonnhs to me. I bet he cant prove where did the rest 19990 coins went from that 12id wallet. Well no worries i lost my email account but the key. Hopefully it is still on that electric wire and underneath many tables in that old school. Also other 5 worth 4 bill is also there... hopefully by next year it will all go away and csw will still pursue to come and examine the writing on the wite and the tables...good luck...
Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: hacker1001101001 on June 29, 2021, 02:38:20 AM So did we loose ? What's next ? Remove the WhitePaper or let the dogs bark ?
Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: franky1 on June 29, 2021, 02:46:02 AM So did we loose ? What's next ? Remove the WhitePaper or let the dogs bark ? "we"? nope there is no community loss.. CSW achieved nothing more than any old lady could,,, just like fridgit old woman who complain to TV stations to not show sexualised tv shows before 9pm. that old lady does not need to own the tv show or any porn to make a claim to stop someone displaying something. all it means is a website cannot display a document. it is not proof of ownership of document or anything else other websites including government sites have already started displaying the whitepaper as a act of defiance against CSW. cobra only lost his websites case to display it because cobra didnt want to turn up and identify himself hundreds of corporations and government sites are not afraid of revealing themselves and putting CSW back in his cave if he tried to sue them there is also a group that sued CSW to provide proof of ID Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: hacker1001101001 on June 29, 2021, 02:59:44 AM cobra only lost his websites case to display it because cobra didnt want to turn up and identify himself This is like kicking in the ass of anonymity. Even when there was no solid proof from other side to sue Cøbra. But, anyways I admire Cøbra's firmness of not giving a shit. I was just here to confirm if the WhitePaper would still be there on Bitcoin.org. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: pooya87 on June 29, 2021, 04:19:03 AM That court's jurisdiction doesn't extend beyond Britain so it can't force bitcoin.org to do anything, which I believe is why Cobra didn't give a shit about it.
In any case it seems like the purpose of this shenanigan was either to deanonymize Cobra and make some money in the process. The later was the only achievement since they tried so hard and pumped BSV only 20% which is funny because if it were any other shitcoin the pump would have been above 1000%. This also shows that the amount of crap people give to this shitcoin is also decreasing. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: gmaxwell on June 29, 2021, 07:50:23 AM in order to convict someone of lying under oath, the prosecution needs to prove the statement is false. Fortunately, in service of Wright's big fraud Wright commits lots of smaller frauds, and some of those are provable to a very high degree. In the Florida federal case wright was already judicially found to have fabricated evidence and committed perjury. Unfortunately, so far the only direct consequence is a few hundred grand in penalties and some adverse inferences. But he's also engaging in the same kind of ultimately provable perjury in every other case. If you look at the history of conmen you'll see that it often takes years for them to be brought to justice. At this point I also wouldn't bet that that his core fraud couldn't be proved beyond a reasonable doubt-- the primary challenging blocking that is just the lack of criminal investigation powers. Keep in mind: even though there is so much evidence of his fraud out there, he ultimately published almost all of it himself-- his discovery was self-produced! We haven't even started to see the kind of stuff that will get exposed by a real investigation, where he can't stuff the record with forgeries produced on the spot or hide things he doesn't like. If this crap is what he wants the world to see, consider what he doesn't want the world to see? Consider what testimony might become available when his supporters are facing the risk of criminal prosecution and jail time themselves? Somehow people get mixed up about what proof means in a criminal context: We convict people of murder all the time, yet none are ever proved guilty in a strong mathematical sense. Instead, we have the body, the motive, the fingerprint covered murder weapon, maybe a video recording, even when there there is a confession that isn't a mathematical-sense proof-- false confessions are common... Secret government agents could always have planted the evidence, drugged the witnesses, and faked the video. But enough of it and no reasonable doubt remains. The standard of proof isn't absolutely no doubt, we don't require that anything but guilt be a logical impossibility. In Wright's case, his numerous forgeries and lies are the bloody murder weapon, the victims that funded his Nigerian scam on the basis of of his promise to dump bitcoin and buy BSV are the body, his tax rebate fraud, profits, efforts to steal Bitcoins (in his lawsuit against developers), his upcoming efforts to steal bitcoin.org show his motives, and so on. Personally, now having seen what is public now I have absolutely no reasonable doubt. I know that is also true for many of the the people who've been around a long time and seen the evidence. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: buwaytress on June 29, 2021, 10:16:21 AM Thanks OP for making this thread and Cobra for responding.
I initially didn't think too much of the issue but overlooked the fact that you could very well be doxed and then dragged through painful and expensive litigation. I do think there must be a lot of other options we can't yet see and perhaps even there must be someone out there willing to take on this case to defend pro bono. Bitcoin has been good to me though. I will feel obliged to at least put tangible support behind this. Let's see how serious it really is first or how far it is legally able to go. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: NotATether on June 29, 2021, 10:22:13 AM So did we loose ? What's next ? Remove the WhitePaper or let the dogs bark ? We should add mirror link of the whitepaper with how to retrieve it. Aside from another website, the whitepaper also available on IPFS & Bitcoin Blockchain. Craig can claw it out of my cold dead heads. https://notatether.com/bitcoin.pdf Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: Obito on June 29, 2021, 10:35:07 AM Too sad that freedom has lost over a kangaroo court with this one. Hopefully @Cøbra will receive enough donations to help shoulder the fines and fees that @Cobra might incur in this bullshit case by Faketoshi. I have suggested on the other thread about this that we should have the copy of the whitepaper and then post it in our respective websites just to annoy CSW, also, will there be any implications if a lot of people were to do this that's from a different country?
Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: gmaxwell on June 29, 2021, 10:46:46 AM then post it in our respective websites just to annoy CSW, Make sure you post it alongside your choice of Bitcoin node software (e.g. bitcoin core, btcd, libbitcoin, etc) or more than one. When people started posting the whitepaper previously wright tried to deflect the loss of face by saying that these people were really endorsing has scam bitcoin clone. By posting it along with a node software mirror (ideally source code, since that's what people need to maintain their own copy) you will refute his deflection and protect the availability of the most important parts of the system.Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: PrimeNumber7 on June 29, 2021, 12:24:00 PM in order to convict someone of lying under oath, the prosecution needs to prove the statement is false. Fortunately, in service of Wright's big fraud Wright commits lots of smaller frauds, and some of those are provable to a very high degree. In the Florida federal case wright was already judicially found to have fabricated evidence and committed perjury. Unfortunately, so far the only direct consequence is a few hundred grand in penalties and some adverse inferences. At this point I also wouldn't bet that that his core fraud couldn't be proved beyond a reasonable doubt-- the primary challenging blocking that is just the lack of criminal investigation powers. Keep in mind: even though there is so much evidence of his fraud out there, he ultimately published almost all of it himself-- his discovery was self-produced! We haven't even started to see the kind of stuff that will get exposed by a real investigation, where he can't stuff the record with forgeries produced on the spot or hide things he doesn't like. If this crap is what he wants the world to see, consider what he doesn't want the world to see? Consider what testimony might become available when his supporters are facing the risk of criminal prosecution and jail time themselves? I have honestly not closely followed most CSW cases, and haven't spent more than a half dozen hours (over the many years he has spent litigating various cases) reviewing related court documents. My experience is that CSW likes to take advantage of the lack of technical expertise by lawyers and judges, and will respond in a way that may not answer the question directly, but the answer looks favorable to him; the lawyers may not pickup on the difference between the question and answer because of the lack of technical expertise. This is more obvious to those who have at least intermediate expertise in how cryptography works and how bitcoin works. I believe the above is why CSW is so willing to allow so much evidence of potential fraud to be out there, as it is obvious to experts, but not so obvious to those who may impose consequences for fraud. You may be right though, it is possible there is more bad stuff that CSW is hiding. Somehow people get mixed up about what proof means in a criminal context: We convict people of murder all the time, yet none are ever proved guilty in a strong mathematical sense. Instead, we have the body, the motive, the fingerprint covered murder weapon, maybe a video recording, even when there there is a confession that isn't a mathematical-sense proof-- false confessions are common... Secret government agents could always have planted the evidence, drugged the witnesses, and faked the video. But enough of it and no reasonable doubt remains. The standard of proof isn't absolutely no doubt, we don't require that anything but guilt be a logical impossibility. You are correct, I should have been more clear in my previous post that it needs to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that CSW lied under oath in order for him to be found guilty of perjury. People have been convicted of murder without a body, murder weapon, or a video. I believe it would be difficult to prove someone guilty of perjury for claiming to be a particular anonymous person that is only known by their forum handle/alias without bringing that person forward. When CSW first claimed to be satoshi, he provided evidence he was satoshi to Gavin Anderson, only that the evidence provided was deceptive and did not actually point to CSW potentially being satoshi (had CSW attempted to gain anything of value out of the meeting, it would likely have been fraud). While this interaction makes me believe that CSW is not satoshi, I don't believe it proves this. CSW could argue in court that he no longer has access to cryptographic keys that would prove satoshi's identity. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: vapourminer on June 29, 2021, 12:30:28 PM i think it would be hilarious if that court ordered fine were paid to the genesis block. after all satoshi (the real one) has the key to that addy, and it would (possibly?) satisfy the court order. because while even satoshi himself cant spend the 50 btc coinbase reward, he can spend all the stuff thats been sent there since.
although then again it would add some small amount legitimacy to his scam. so maybe not. i believe this is called "malicious compliance" and im all for it when there are no other options. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: gmaxwell on June 29, 2021, 02:23:11 PM I have honestly not closely followed most CSW cases, and haven't spent more than a half dozen hours (over the many years he has spent litigating various cases) reviewing related court documents. My experience is that CSW likes to take advantage of the lack of technical expertise by lawyers and judges, and will respond in a way that may not answer the question directly, but the answer looks favorable to him; the lawyers may not pickup on the difference between the question and answer because of the lack of technical expertise. This is more obvious to those who have at least intermediate expertise in how cryptography works and how bitcoin works. I believe the above is why CSW is so willing to allow so much evidence of potential fraud to be out there, as it is obvious to experts, but not so obvious to those who may impose consequences for fraud. You may be right though, it is possible there is more bad stuff that CSW is hiding. You're absolutely right, but you should give the courts more credit. Even ones without the benefit of technical experts see through him if they're given enough time: E.g. from a UK ruling: Quote Dr Wright gave evidence. He was an unsatisfactory witness in many respects. He was belligerent, argumentative and deliberately provocative. He evaded questions to which he did not wish to give a straight answer. On occasion he refused to accept what documents plainly indicated. He was prepared to make grave and unsustainable allegations, for example in relation to the supposed fabrication by or on behalf of Reliantco of an email from him of 3 September 2017. He sought on occasion to blind with (computer) science. I came to the conclusion that I could not rely on Dr Wright’s evidence as to whether and how particular events had happened unless it was supported by documentation, other evidence I could accept or by the inherent probabilities. From a US ruling: Quote Dr. Wright intentionally submitted fraudulent documents to the Court, obstructed a judicial proceeding, and gave perjurous testimony I believe it would be difficult to prove someone guilty of perjury for claiming to be a particular anonymous person that is only known by their forum handle/alias without bringing that person forward. The thing that will catch him here is that he keeps forging evidence and giving inconsistent/contradictory testimony. For example, right now he claims that Satoshi never posted on the forum and that the posts here claiming to be by satoshi were written by other people (sometimes suggesting I wrote them)... yet in the past he claimed to have authored these posts. He was saying other people were trying to out him as satoshi and dox him even while he himself was editing his blog to add provably backdated entries alluding to Bitcoin long ago.So say someone claims to be Jesus reborn. Well how would you disprove that? Well you investigate and find that they've been sneaking into archives and adding fake records to history books to support their claims, that they've been creating forged pieces of ancient cloth to support their claims, you look under their bed and find a pile of crib sheets that they were using to memorize the right things to say, you put the screws to their confidants, and have them testify that that NewJesus told them it was a con. You investigate their miracles and find out they were light shows, and so on. Why would NewJesus fake all that stuff if he wasn't a scam? Or say someone is missing and you think their husband murdered them but you can't even find the body. But you show the husband drove deep into the woods shortly after they went missing, that the husband recently bought a book on how to get away with murder, that the husband totally scrubbed and sterilized their car. You establish their motive. And so on. Why would they do all that stuff if they weren't guilty? Same goes for Wright: No support for his main claim plus lots of provable fraud he engaged in while trying to promote his claim == adequately proved that his main claim was fraud. The challenge convincing a jury would just be guiding them past his bamboozlement. Fortunately, the main way he pulls that off in person doesn't work in court. The way wright works is that if someone challenges him he throws a physical tantrum and begins screaming at them (https://youtu.be/7YUTq7_vO3A?t=260) until they are cowed into retracting their challenge. He can't do that in court (he actually tried once in Florida and was told he was going to go directly to jail if he had another outburst). As far as Satoshi not showing up-- it's been a long time since we heard from him last in 2011. If you make a reasonable guess about his age, consult an actuarial table, contemplate the *pandemic* -- it's not all that unlikely that he simply isn't alive anymore. More than a couple early Bitcoiners I've known aren't. So even if you completely disregard how important protecting his privacy would be to him, it's not at all shocking that we haven't heard from him. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: JayJuanGee on June 29, 2021, 03:29:31 PM I have honestly not closely followed most CSW cases, and haven't spent more than a half dozen hours (over the many years he has spent litigating various cases) reviewing related court documents. My experience is that CSW likes to take advantage of the lack of technical expertise by lawyers and judges, and will respond in a way that may not answer the question directly, but the answer looks favorable to him; the lawyers may not pickup on the difference between the question and answer because of the lack of technical expertise. This is more obvious to those who have at least intermediate expertise in how cryptography works and how bitcoin works. I believe the above is why CSW is so willing to allow so much evidence of potential fraud to be out there, as it is obvious to experts, but not so obvious to those who may impose consequences for fraud. You may be right though, it is possible there is more bad stuff that CSW is hiding. I doubt that it is very accurate to give very much credit to gooftwat CSW regarding being any kind of mastermind of legal maneuvering. Of course, he likely has a lot of shit-stirring ideas (and skills) and areas in which to scheme and fraud people in a variety of ways, but he has the money backing of other lifetime scammer twats like Calvin Ayer and the employment of various teams of lawyer scammers that are hired to process the various papers and to help come up with a variety of ideas and theories in terms of throwing various monkey wrenches in the system weighing potential costs and benefits of certain kinds of legal filings (suits), filing of certifications, ways to defend lawsuits that they are brought into, getting public attention through the various nonsensical claims, taking advantage of loopholes or undeveloped areas of the law (especially in some of the new areas or new attempts at connecting old law and new happenings), whether some of the stances are stupid, contradictory or not, they can jam the courts, cause confusion and get benefits outside of the courts for how they are spun, including that some newbies and even CSW supporters will believe almost anything that seems "official." Whether sooner or later the justice system will catch up to the various scammers, fraudsters, narcissist and their team of scammers and hired guns might be another question.. .and surely even some folks on their team are unpaid supporters because they believe that BSV will rise in value, so even if their beliefs seem kind of stupid and ill-thought, there are enough of the unpaid (maybe some of them are paid, too) BSV supporters that will also support the cause, do some of the smoke and mirror work and spread the "good news" about BSV and craig wright. You would think that CSW et al would not be able to get away with as much as they have so far, but it is funny how having a pretty decently large team of legal strategists and even a mass following of retards (or retard wannabes) can help to divert some of the matters and to brainstorm about ways of not getting thrown in jail. For example in the Florida matter, when CSW is a defendant in a civil procedure, he is way less likely to get thrown in jail for making false claims through his various document submissions than if he were a defendant in a criminal matter, and he can also potentially get some advantages out of those legal submissions to the extent that they are made public (maybe under the theory that any publicity is good publicity), so we have to be careful in our own understandings of the various ramifications of the various ongoing and conflicting frauds that CSW has been committing, and which jurisdiction is going to take any of it on as a criminal matter, and perhaps some government jurisdictions actually kind of get some pleasures from the shit-stirring that CSW and his varying scamming team has been achieving in terms of creating another bitcoin attack vector angle and creating confusion in terms of what is bitcoin and how bitcoin is used. There are a lot of smart people who believe that there are various bitcoins. Not even sure if I can blame some of them on a superficial level for being confused. (don't get me wrong.. I can blame a decent number of people for being confused if they actually look into the matter for a bit of time and still remain supposedly "confused" after being presented with the correct information.. but the level of blaming people for their level of dumb can really vary because without really engaging with someone for a while, sometimes we cannot really know if they are innocent in their level of getting sucked in by seemingly obvious misinformation). Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: Timelord2067 on June 30, 2021, 10:51:25 AM It's interesting that a few lower ranked users are speculating as to where Cøbra is and what they do etc., It's almost as though they were shills trying to elicit a response from the wider community to reveal any pertinent details that might expose Cøbra and their whereabouts.
Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: icopress on June 30, 2021, 03:56:45 PM You're absolutely right, but you should give the courts more credit. Even ones without the benefit of technical experts see through him if they're given enough time: [...] It's true, but it won't stop as long as Craig Wright continues to fuck the judicial system, citing the fact that these or those lawsuits are not related to each other, (therefore, facts not relevant to the case are not subject to proof). In addition, facts known to the parties, but not known to the court, should be subject to proof, but due to the fact that Cobra refused to de-anonymize his identity, Craig's lawyers received a one-sided carte blanche to add facts from past court cases without conflicting content.The court also makes logical mistakes, including a hasty generalization, which, as far as I understand, was made when Craig's statement was unilaterally added to the case, a statement in which he classifies BTC as an altcoin. This is the highlight of the judicial system ... the facts presented unilaterally are added to the case "as pertaining to the circumstances", and all other facts are discarded "as conflicting with the circumstances of the case". Quote from: arrogant bastard and his lawyers Dr Wright does not wish to restrict access to his White Paper. However, he does not agree that it should be used by supporters and developers of alternative assets, such as Bitcoin Core, to promote or otherwise misrepresent those assets as being Bitcoin given that they do not support or align with the vision for Bitcoin as he set out in his White Paper. One way or another, probably the easiest and at the same time the most difficult way to protect bitcoin from Craig is a class-action counterclaim initiated by representatives of the Bitcoin industry and not by Cobra, (the purpose of which will be to protect the public interest). So, one litigation can not only once and for all get rid of the attacks of this idiot, but prevent all future similar precedents. I mean that the court decision in this case will apply even to those subjects who did not know about the existence of such proceedings, (everyone who belongs to this BTC group by definition).Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: bitmover on June 30, 2021, 04:29:12 PM On the flipside, perhaps you may have a strategic advantage. CSW and his lawyers have no significant information about the party whom they have sued. Another disadvantage for them is the publicity this case is attracting. If he wins this case, he is legally recognized as Satoshi Nakamoto, the inventor of Bitcoin. He's asserting he has "database rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_right)" to the Bitcoin ledger. He asserts he owns the "Bitcoin" name. He'll inevitably claim the Satoshi coins."Legally claim Satoshi coins". this attitude is basically a confession that he is not the creator of Bitcoin. Judges have no jurisdiction over the Bitcoin protocol and cryptography. Will he attach "those high court documents", which declare him satoshi, into Electrum and sign a message? :D And even after all this drama, Satoshi may just sign a message of those coins saying "I am not Craig", demoralizing the entire high court and faketoshi. This is a dangerous move even to the high court. This guy is a disgrace to the entire community. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: NeuroticFish on June 30, 2021, 04:47:34 PM Quote from: arrogant bastard and his lawyers Dr Wright does not wish to restrict access to his White Paper. However, he does not agree that it should be used by supporters and developers of alternative assets And this reminds me.... I know that this forum is very open with the freedom of speech and obvious scams are not moderated. Still, maybe that Faketoshi Vision altcoin should no longer be allowed on BitcoinTalk. "Quid pro quo" Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: icopress on June 30, 2021, 05:14:42 PM I know that this forum is very open with the freedom of speech and obvious scams are not moderated. Still, maybe that Faketoshi Vision altcoin should no longer be allowed on BitcoinTalk. "Quid pro quo" It is a bad idea ... and it's not even a matter of censorship, but the fact that every newbie or user interested in Bitcoin will be able to study the details and decide for himself whether the red tags and the warning flag are justified or not. Who the hell are we to take away from future bitcoiners the chance to experience the difference between bitcoin culture and a nominal forkcoin with its distorted vision. ;)Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: kaggie on June 30, 2021, 05:20:03 PM And this reminds me.... I know that this forum is very open with the freedom of speech and obvious scams are not moderated. Still, maybe that Faketoshi Vision altcoin should no longer be allowed on BitcoinTalk. "Quid pro quo" It's better to repeat why BS coin is BS. "Satoshi vision"??? lol, barf. Satoshi's vision was an uncensorable cryptocurrency. If W is successful in stopping bitcoin because he hates the MIT licence 2.0 and that bitcoin.org is mentioned in the whitepaper, then he will have proven that he loves censorship, and that crypto is in fact censorable. BS coin should be called anti-satoshi vision. Well, BS vision works too. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: DooMAD on June 30, 2021, 05:40:34 PM I know that this forum is very open with the freedom of speech and obvious scams are not moderated. Still, maybe that Faketoshi Vision altcoin should no longer be allowed on BitcoinTalk. "Quid pro quo" It would likely backfire. They'd just play the "oppressed underdog" card. Y'know, make a big song and dance about it, ask people to "support their struggle" and generally just provide them with more attention than they deserve. Don't turn them into martyrs. They'd have a field day with that. If you want to hit them where it hurts, call for mass boycotts or any business, event, conference or publication that supports the-identity-thief-who-shan't-be-named, as anyone who openly supports him is either a morally bankrupt sack of human excrement or a gullible fool. And, as others have mentioned, contact any exchanges you use frequently and ask if they can de-list that shitcoin if they haven't already done so. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: pooya87 on July 01, 2021, 04:28:20 AM And even after all this drama, Satoshi may just sign a message of those coins saying "I am not Craig", demoralizing the entire high court and faketoshi. This is a dangerous move even to the high court. From what I've seen from this scammer he wouldn't care if Satoshi signed a message today, he'll just turn it around and claim that "his" wallet was hacked, maybe even start a new lawsuit against the signer (ie. real Satoshi) claiming he is the "hacker"!I liked the idea by @icopress, "a class-action counterclaim initiated by representatives of the Bitcoin industry". We already have a lot of big businesses too with a lot of money who can fund such a movement against this scammer. After all their business is also going to be affected by the scammer's actions. contact any exchanges you use frequently and ask if they can de-list that shitcoin if they haven't already done so. There are still a lot of exchanges that list this scamcoin, including Huobi, Bithumb, Bitfinex, Bittrex, Kucoin, Poloniex and a lot of small insignificant exchanges. (source: coinmarketcap).Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: kano on July 01, 2021, 05:06:49 AM ... yet in the past he claimed to have authored these posts. He was saying other people were trying to out him as satoshi and dox him even while he himself was editing his blog to add provably backdated entries alluding to Bitcoin long ago. Alas it is blatantly obvious he didn't write any of the posts here by 'satoshi'... Read the 'satoshi' posts and read anything that scumbag csw has written. An illiterate probably could tell the difference :) Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: amishmanish on July 01, 2021, 05:29:33 AM I liked the idea by @icopress, "a class-action counterclaim initiated by representatives of the Bitcoin industry". We already have a lot of big businesses too with a lot of money who can fund such a movement against this scammer. After all their business is also going to be affected by the scammer's actions. I don't know if a class-action lawsuit is much different from what this Square led initiative (https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/square-led-copa-sues-craig-wright-over-bitcoin-white-paper-copyright-claims-2021-04-12) is. There is this organization called COPA which has filed a lawsuit against his claim to The Whitepaper. Shouldn't that be enough?--snip-- --snip-- The cringe and sheer disrespect in his words is obvious to those of us who have taken the time to read through Satoshi's posts and his interactions with his peers in the early days. Anybody with even an iota of decency and honesty would easily look beyond the slick image that worm of a man tries to project.An illiterate probably could tell the difference :) Yet, for idiots who are banking on his lunacy as a chance to get rich, shill for him with zero consideration for the truth and his obvious lies. We have all watched this scam playout in front of our eyes. On Twitter, the posts from their shills are A-grade shit. But like gmaxwell said, it takes a long time for conmen to be brought to justice. Its been only a few years of this charade and majority of the community, exchanges and businesses have already rejected faketoshi. All that remains is for a real world court to bring him to justice. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: Timelord2067 on July 01, 2021, 09:46:14 AM I liked the idea by @icopress, "a class-action counterclaim initiated by representatives of the Bitcoin industry". ... which would mean having to cough up Cøbra in a court of law which seems to be what some/most people here are trying to avoid. Imagine what further actions the lawyers might take against one or more people if they (their lawyers) are able to target individual people. You front up to court to pat Cøbra on the back and wish them well and someone slaps YOU with a law suit because they are able to identify you as a counter claimant. Are you ready for that? Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on July 02, 2021, 10:24:52 AM OK, I felt sympathy for Cøbra to begin with. I understand that a message has to be displayed on bitcoin.org detailing the (absolute bull shit) court judgement which is fine, in the circumstances.
I am not happy about this though, as a UK resident when you go to install or upgrade Bitcoin Core Wallet you are met with this message - https://i.ibb.co/CP9Gk8k/9-FCC2-ACC-4799-4-BB2-A6-A5-5-BB5-D865-BDC9.png Craig Wright & Calvin Ayre are now stopping people from running Bitcoin Core. I’m sorry but this is unacceptable. This whole drama is because Cøbra wouldn’t defend himself in court. I think it’s time that Cøbra passes ownership of the domain to somebody else. UK residents are now being restricted in their use of Bitcoin Core, it’s unacceptable. Cøbra hand over the website domain please, this is unacceptable. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: pooya87 on July 02, 2021, 11:17:34 AM I liked the idea by @icopress, "a class-action counterclaim initiated by representatives of the Bitcoin industry". ... which would mean having to cough up Cøbra in a court of law which seems to be what some/most people here are trying to avoid. Imagine what further actions the lawyers might take against one or more people if they (their lawyers) are able to target individual people. You front up to court to pat Cøbra on the back and wish them well and someone slaps YOU with a law suit because they are able to identify you as a counter claimant. Are you ready for that? At the same time winning this (with good lawyers and spending some money) would put an end to all the other scams he will try to pull in the future. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on July 02, 2021, 11:19:11 AM @ETF Bitcoin
You are now not permitted to download Bitcoin Core if you are accessing bitcoin.org from a UK IP address. Check for yourself if you don’t believe me. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: LoyceV on July 02, 2021, 11:30:43 AM Craig Wright & Calvin Ayre are now stopping people from running Bitcoin Core. Who's going to want to be in the line of "legal fire" from a mad man?I’m sorry but this is unacceptable. This whole drama is because Cøbra wouldn’t defend himself in court. I think it’s time that Cøbra passes ownership of the domain to somebody else. UK residents are now being restricted in their use of Bitcoin Core, it’s unacceptable. Cøbra hand over the website domain please, this is unacceptable. A lawsuit about CSW's identity fraud (claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto) and copyright fraud (claiming copyrights for software and paper that are clearly released under MIT license by someone else) won't have anything to do with Cobra! What are the odds of that putting Crack in jail? Just claiming to be a pseudonym doesn't seem as big as his attacks on Bitcoin.Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on July 02, 2021, 11:41:42 AM You're missing the point, what i ask is the reason people can't download Bitcoin Core using UK IP address. AFAIK the court order doesn't mention Bitcoin Core at all. Which would bring us to the point where we’re asking Cøbra why he’s done that on the website? If the court haven’t ordered that then why has he done it or approved somebody else to do it? 66,000,000 people in the UK & without a VPN or Tor none of them can now download & run Bitcoin Core. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: DooMAD on July 02, 2021, 03:33:32 PM Whether it's considered appropriate or not, I've also started red-tagging BSV shills for actively supporting an identity thief and documented liar. As far as I'm concerned, they're complicit in his crimes.
Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: AB de Royse777 on July 02, 2021, 03:44:46 PM You're missing the point, what i ask is the reason people can't download Bitcoin Core using UK IP address. AFAIK the court order doesn't mention Bitcoin Core at all. Which would bring us to the point where we’re asking Cøbra why he’s done that on the website? PS: Start restricting Bitcoin core in places means you are trying to take control of the decentralization concept. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: hacker1001101001 on July 03, 2021, 03:19:39 AM You're missing the point, what i ask is the reason people can't download Bitcoin Core using UK IP address. AFAIK the court order doesn't mention Bitcoin Core at all. Which would bring us to the point where we’re asking Cøbra why he’s done that on the website? If the court haven’t ordered that then why has he done it or approved somebody else to do it? 66,000,000 people in the UK & without a VPN or Tor none of them can now download & run Bitcoin Core. Maybe this is the reason. https://i.imgur.com/s3TmH2w.jpg All this is sounding indigestible to me overall. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: Hueristic on July 03, 2021, 03:28:57 AM You're missing the point, what i ask is the reason people can't download Bitcoin Core using UK IP address. AFAIK the court order doesn't mention Bitcoin Core at all. Which would bring us to the point where we’re asking Cøbra why he’s done that on the website? If the court haven’t ordered that then why has he done it or approved somebody else to do it? 66,000,000 people in the UK & without a VPN or Tor none of them can now download & run Bitcoin Core. Maybe this is the reason. https://i.imgur.com/s3TmH2w.jpg All this is sounding indigestible to me overall. Looks like an intentional snowball to me. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: gmaxwell on July 03, 2021, 03:39:33 AM The primary site to download the software is https://bitcoincore.org/en/download/ and has been for years.
Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: ABCbits on July 03, 2021, 08:49:30 AM You're missing the point, what i ask is the reason people can't download Bitcoin Core using UK IP address. AFAIK the court order doesn't mention Bitcoin Core at all. Which would bring us to the point where we’re asking Cøbra why he’s done that on the website? If the court haven’t ordered that then why has he done it or approved somebody else to do it? 66,000,000 people in the UK & without a VPN or Tor none of them can now download & run Bitcoin Core. Maybe this is the reason. https://i.imgur.com/s3TmH2w.jpg All this is sounding indigestible to me overall. I get the point, but i find it's ridiculous. Faketoshi might as well as sue all block explorer, wallet provider and full node client for providing Bitcoin whitepaper. And since BSV blockchain also contain Bitcoin whitepaper, he should sue his own community. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: AB de Royse777 on July 03, 2021, 01:50:02 PM 'BSV' is an insult to Satoshi Nakamoto. It should be changed to 'BCV' as soon as possible. :D How about "BFV"?F for F**ced LOL Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: shield132 on July 03, 2021, 01:56:24 PM I’m sure you’ve all read about Craig Wright (Faketoshi) attempting to prove ownership of bitcoin.org & claims he wrote the bitcoin whitepaper & is Satoshi. Was he claiming that he owns bitcoin.org? Seriously, if he owns, then why isn't he changing the DNS servers of that domain? Or from where the hell he claims the ownership?These are quite dangerous and desperate people, so I'm still exploring ways I can fight this while keeping my anonymity. It's looking like it may actually be possible, but we'll have to see about that. I'm surprised he hasn't attracted the attention of law enforcement yet, especially after trying to seize £3B worth of Bitcoin with a totally made up story. I am even more surprised that this case isn't closed. I am surprised that resources are wasted on such a meaningless, unuseful things, on such a cheaters/liars.One law that will state that anyone claiming to be satoshi without proofs will be sentences in prison and this guy will shut up. https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1137059506746286080 This is the only tweet that I know from medias about MacAfee and Craig Wright relation. Hasn't this man tweeted anything about Craig? This accident happened in April, MacAfee dead days ago. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: NotATether on July 03, 2021, 03:32:06 PM Now this might be the time for people (especially you bitcointalk users) to begin creating Github issues or bugfixes or pull requests if not actual Bitcoin Core development.
Because since CSW is targeting all the Bitcoin Core developers, you are now adding more people into the firing line, especially if you start actively developing Bitcoin Core, but the flipside of this is that the number of trustworthy custodians increases. Because chances are the people who are trusted to maintain the world's bitcoin client are also trustworthy enough to be entrusted to a responsibility such as Bitcoin.org. Also by increasing the number of developers you are adding more potential lawsuits in the mix to drain CSW's suing-money to a point where he can't feasibly sue people anymore. You don't need to hand over the domain to Blockstream. As I said, even github issues are good enough, if you are not a coder. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: gmaxwell on July 03, 2021, 07:51:43 PM I’m sure you’ve all read about Craig Wright (Faketoshi) attempting to prove ownership of bitcoin.org & claims he wrote the bitcoin whitepaper & is Satoshi. Was he claiming that he owns bitcoin.org? Seriously, if he owns, then why isn't he changing the DNS servers of that domain? Or from where the hell he claims the ownership?He vaguely alleges it was stolen from him. Of course, he's absurdly vague because he knows nothing about Cobra or the history of the domain (beyond whats been posted) he's currently unable to usefully construct any forgeries to support his lies. It's a safe bet that a big part of why he's obsessed with doxing cobra is to facilitate taking the domain by force. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: kaggie on July 03, 2021, 09:55:31 PM He vaguely alleges it was stolen from him. Of course, he's absurdly vague because he knows nothing about Cobra or the history of the domain (beyond whats been posted) he's currently unable to usefully construct any forgeries to support his lies. It's a safe bet that a big part of why he's obsessed with doxing cobra is to facilitate taking the domain by force. I'm certain that much of what W does is a fishing expedition. The more W knows, the better W can start making up stories that more closely pertain to facts (those pesky things). Right now, all W has is a half baked story that doesn't align with reality in any way. W will one day end up in prison, and will lose his current fortune. He hasn't yet because he hasn't pushed enough - even though he has pushed hard. W's stories do not align with the history of bitcoin itself, along with many other things. (We're supposed to believe that the inventor of a cryptocurrency wants to renege on the rules of software that he supposedly invented? If it were a card game, that would be called cheating. He blames others for "lost" (allegedly) multi-millions because he "wiped" his own drive.) I know that we in this forum know he is a fraud, yet I feel it important to repeat so that new people know. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: gmaxwell on July 05, 2021, 03:22:41 PM more W knows, the better W can start making up stories that more closely pertain to facts He already managed to get a copy of all Gavin's private communications with Satoshi from Gavin...Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: kaggie on July 05, 2021, 05:55:33 PM more W knows, the better W can start making up stories that more closely pertain to facts He already managed to get a copy of all Gavin's private communications with Satoshi from Gavin...Satoshi was always on his guard, and Gavin joined too late for Satoshi to have that guard come down, which leaves a whole lot of history untold before, during, and after Gavin. https://i.postimg.cc/hGVV5gh7/Screenshot-from-2021-07-05-18-27-19.png Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: gmaxwell on July 05, 2021, 08:16:03 PM Satoshi was always on his guard Particularly with Gavin-- no surprise if you knew what Gavin's first message to Satoshi was... :)And "could have been leaked"-- is that how he rationalized handing it over to Wright? Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: kaggie on July 05, 2021, 09:45:30 PM Particularly with Gavin-- no surprise if you knew what Gavin's first message to Satoshi was... :) And "could have been leaked"-- is that how he rationalized handing it over to Wright? Can you remind me what his first message was? In the meantime, I think you might enjoy this: The nature of Bitcoin is such that once version 0.1 was released, the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime. Because of that, I wanted to design it to support every possible transaction type I could think of. The problem was, each thing required special support code and data fields whether it was used or not, and only covered one special case at a time. It would have been an explosion of special cases. The solution was script, which generalizes the problem so transacting parties can describe their transaction as a predicate that the node network evaluates. The nodes only need to understand the transaction to the extent of evaluating whether the sender's conditions are met. .. I don't believe a second, compatible implementation of Bitcoin will ever be a good idea. So much of the design depends on all nodes getting exactly identical results in lockstep that a second implementation would be a menace to the network. The MIT license is compatible with all other licenses and commercial uses, so there is no need to rewrite it from a licensing standpoint. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: gmaxwell on July 06, 2021, 04:32:45 AM Can you remind me what his first message was? Demanding to know Satoshi's "real" identity, totally out of the blue.Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: kaggie on July 06, 2021, 06:25:01 AM That would certainly put a large dent to forming trust.
Bitcoin took off in value, the forum exploded - with users and trolls (as you've posted with logs). And no doubt with scammers. ("Stone Man" could have been a forum "dust" attempt..) As we know, such a dramatic change over a short period ended up with Satoshi disappearing, not the opposite. Someone should remind me sometime and I'll write about when I was offered stewardship of the bitcoin.org domain and how glad I am I didn't accept it. :) Did you ever write this up? Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: Lucius on July 06, 2021, 02:08:07 PM Satoshi was always on his guard Particularly with Gavin-- no surprise if you knew what Gavin's first message to Satoshi was... :)And "could have been leaked"-- is that how he rationalized handing it over to Wright? For the first time, I hear that Faketoshi got hold of private messages between Satoshi and GA, but it's not surprising how he got them given GA's attitude from the very beginning of communication with Satoshi - so I wonder how Satoshi failed to figure out who was actually GA? As for that first question to Satoshi, some say it looked exactly like this : Quote from: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/what-happened-when-bitcoin-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-disappeared “I'm very curious to hear more about you – how old are you? Is Satoshi your real name? Do you have a day job? What projects have you been involved with before?” Andresen wrote The man obviously couldn't even imagine what it was all about - or it was all just part of his job as an external collaborator of some three-letter agency he went to visit along the way to give them a lecture on Bitcoin. As he himself later admits, this may have been the main trigger for Satoshi's disappearance. Quote from: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/what-happened-when-bitcoin-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-disappeared Indeed, it would be Andresen himself who would first air the idea he believed Satoshi’s exit was connected with the CIA event, an opinion he’d give on a YouTube show in its aftermath. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: icopress on July 06, 2021, 04:23:30 PM The man obviously couldn't even imagine what it was all about - or it was all just part of his job as an external collaborator of some three-letter agency he went to visit along the way to give them a lecture on Bitcoin. As he himself later admits, this may have been the main trigger for Satoshi's disappearance. If I remember correctly, he was not invited to the three-letter agency until two years after Satoshi disappeared. In any case, in addition to identifying the identity of the creator of Bitcoins, various agencies at that time had other concerns related to BTC, (I haven’t gone into the details of the timestamps, but it would be great if someone could find Gavin’s quote and match it with the date the Silk Road investigation began). And I doubt that he was the trigger, since after so many years almost every second person makes statements that now no one can deny or confirm ...Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: DooMAD on July 06, 2021, 05:31:15 PM One of the last things satoshi publicly commented on was their hesitance for Bitcoin to be tied in with the Wikileaks controversy. I've always taken that at face value and assumed that was what resulted in their departure (or if not that, then possibly their sudden coming-to-terms with basic mortality if you take their "moving on" comment in a slightly different context).
That said, we're kind of veering off the main subject here. Speculation about why satoshi left isn't really applicable to the conversation about Cøbra versus Faketoshi. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: Hueristic on July 06, 2021, 05:39:15 PM That said, we're kind of veering off the main subject here. Speculation about why satoshi left isn't really applicable to the conversation about Cøbra versus Faketoshi. Well it is applicable when looked at in the lens of forces that are driving away the anonymity of the OG community. Which in my opinion is the the clear focus of this assault on the Cobra Moniker. With the side benefit of acquiring the domain. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: gmaxwell on July 06, 2021, 09:28:27 PM If I remember correctly, he was not invited to the three-letter agency until two years after Satoshi disappeared. You remember incorrectly, Satoshi abruptly cut off communication when Gavin emailed him to say he would be meeting with the CIA. Gavin himself has speculated before that this is why Satoshi went away. As doomad notes, this should totally have not been a shock.Back on topic... Cobra is still trying to pay as demanded by the court, but ontier is evading every effort (cobra is copying me on the emails). Ironically, they've stopped attaching their own name to their communications with Cobra. "Anonymity for me but not for thee". Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: kaggie on July 06, 2021, 11:08:50 PM If I remember correctly, he was not invited to the three-letter agency until two years after Satoshi disappeared. You remember incorrectly, Satoshi abruptly cut off communication when Gavin emailed him to say he would be meeting with the CIA. Gavin himself has speculated before that this is why Satoshi went away. As doomad notes, this should totally have not been a shock.Quote Back on topic... Cobra is still trying to pay as demanded by the court, but ontier is evading every effort (cobra is copying me on the emails). Ironically, they've stopped attaching their own name to their communications with Cobra. "Anonymity for me but not for thee". An interesting point here -- your real name is attached, which was a requirement by BSV promoters. "Abandonment" can work its magic in more than one way if they don't accept. I'd be afraid to take money too, with only shaky stories of starting large bitcoin server farms in 2009 that no one can prove. You'd think anyone would have noticed. edit: If they never accept the payment, then the default judgement should be appealed. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: gmaxwell on July 07, 2021, 01:46:49 AM Satoshi's last forum post was Dec 2010, I believe. Satoshi continue to communicate with developers in private for some time after.In April 2011 Satoshi emailed Gavin (and in part criticizing him for failing to credit other contributors work on Bitcoin). Gavin replied that he would be visiting the CIA. Satoshi never emailed anyone else again. (unless you want to believe the messages from years later after the accounts were known to be compromised were satoshi) Quote edit: If they never accept the payment, then the default judgement should be appealed. They don't actually care about this judgement, they want Cobra's identity so they can harass/threaten him and/or fabricate false evidence in an attempt to steal the domain. Last year they offered him $10 million dollars for it, unsolicited, as an opening offer and they seem to have been making it clear that no isn't an option.So it's not too surprising that they are willing to endanger their ability to collect on this 'small' default judgement. Whats 35k UKP compared to what they're willing to pay to get that domain? It's a rounding error. The challenge here is that the UK system seems to have no avenue for cobra to defend in these actions without doxing himself, which would expose him to worse attack. Fortunately, the UK's power of bitcoin.org is appears to be minimal. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: kaggie on July 07, 2021, 07:01:28 AM Satoshi's last forum post was Dec 2010, I believe. Satoshi continue to communicate with developers in private for some time after.In April 2011 Satoshi emailed Gavin (and in part criticizing him for failing to credit other contributors work on Bitcoin). Gavin replied that he would be visiting the CIA. Satoshi never emailed anyone else again. (unless you want to believe the messages from years later after the accounts were known to be compromised were satoshi) And then you have this guy in 2021.... https://i.postimg.cc/3Rn98nxK/E5pb-Zl-IWQAQW8j1.jpg versus what this guy said in 2019 https://i.postimg.cc/k4sgWLp8/E5s-Qs84-Xo-AEr-Rd1.png Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: Lucius on July 07, 2021, 10:03:35 AM In April 2011 Satoshi emailed Gavin (and in part criticizing him for failing to credit other contributors work on Bitcoin). Gavin replied that he would be visiting the CIA. Satoshi never emailed anyone else again. (unless you want to believe the messages from years later after the accounts were known to be compromised were satoshi) This is true because GA publicly announced its intention here in the forum in late April 2011. Quote from: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6652.0 I want to get this out in the open because it is the kind of thing that will generate conspiracy theories: I'm going to give a presentation about Bitcoin at CIA headquarters in June at an emerging technologies conference for the US intelligence community. From everything I’ve been able to read so far, GA had some of his own ideas and theories that he was constantly trying to impose, but given that Satoshi always had the last word, GA and some others started to be very critical and literally rebelled against Satoshi. I think the CIA was the thing that showed Satoshi what kind of people he was actually dealing with. And I don’t think anything has changed to this day, Faketoshi has obviously turned to those who have been very critical of Satoshi in the past, and they are giving him support to accomplish his crazy intentions. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: aoluain on July 07, 2021, 12:21:48 PM Satoshi's last forum post was Dec 2010, I believe. Satoshi continue to communicate with developers in private for some time after.In April 2011 Satoshi emailed Gavin (and in part criticizing him for failing to credit other contributors work on Bitcoin). Gavin replied that he would be visiting the CIA. Satoshi never emailed anyone else again. (unless you want to believe the messages from years later after the accounts were known to be compromised were satoshi) Quote edit: If they never accept the payment, then the default judgement should be appealed. They don't actually care about this judgement, they want Cobra's identity so they can harass/threaten him and/or fabricate false evidence in an attempt to steal the domain. Last year they offered him $10 million dollars for it, unsolicited, as an opening offer and they seem to have been making it clear that no isn't an option.So it's not too surprising that they are willing to endanger their ability to collect on this 'small' default judgement. Whats 35k UKP compared to what they're willing to pay to get that domain? It's a rounding error. The challenge here is that the UK system seems to have no avenue for cobra to defend in these actions without doxing himself, which would expose him to worse attack. Fortunately, the UK's power of bitcoin.org is appears to be minimal. In April 2011 Satoshi emailed Gavin (and in part criticizing him for failing to credit other contributors work on Bitcoin). Gavin replied that he would be visiting the CIA. Satoshi never emailed anyone else again. (unless you want to believe the messages from years later after the accounts were known to be compromised were satoshi) This is true because GA publicly announced its intention here in the forum in late April 2011. Quote from: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6652.0 I want to get this out in the open because it is the kind of thing that will generate conspiracy theories: I'm going to give a presentation about Bitcoin at CIA headquarters in June at an emerging technologies conference for the US intelligence community. From everything I’ve been able to read so far, GA had some of his own ideas and theories that he was constantly trying to impose, but given that Satoshi always had the last word, GA and some others started to be very critical and literally rebelled against Satoshi. I think the CIA was the thing that showed Satoshi what kind of people he was actually dealing with. And I don’t think anything has changed to this day, Faketoshi has obviously turned to those who have been very critical of Satoshi in the past, and they are giving him support to accomplish his crazy intentions. I dont have anything to add, you guys/gals are very knowledgable in the historical events surrounding Satoshi, related topics like Bitcoin.org and various people. While I find everything surrounding Faketoshi kindof stressful/annoying its also very fascinating. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: kaggie on July 07, 2021, 12:57:15 PM I dont have anything to add, you guys/gals are very knowledgable in the historical events surrounding Satoshi, related topics like Bitcoin.org and various people. While I find everything surrounding Faketoshi kindof stressful/annoying its also very intriguing, should I be guilty of that? Same. :) I am addicted to this story, at least this week. I would like to read a book written by those who are more knowledgeable on the subject. Where people put their wealth is taken much more seriously than a website. Even if a takeover were succesful, crypto and bitcoin would survive. The network has been established as a protocol for too long. It's international. It is its own prior art and has MIT 2 license. It has industry leaders, history, and wealth. A website has potential to confuse new people, but not really, and not for long. A lost website is like software rot, which is an (often unfortunate) nuisance; there are many different (and open source) wallets that access the network. Bitcoin is decentralised in more than its protocol. Quote They don't actually care about this judgement, they want Cobra's identity so they can harass/threaten him and/or fabricate false evidence in an attempt to steal the domain. Last year they offered him $10 million dollars for it, unsolicited, as an opening offer and they seem to have been making it clear that no isn't an option. Suing after not getting what they want, especially for so much... Interesting. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: Yclock on July 14, 2021, 01:01:11 PM I don't follow the "politik" of Bitcoin much anymore because most of it is just beyond absurd. That said, I'm curious - why is 💩 like this even an issue at this point? Can there not be established a decentralized version of the Bitcoin web site using tech like IPFS/IPNS that is then widely promoted across the community to establish a decentralized resource that easily circumvents such legal nonsense?
Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: DooMAD on July 14, 2021, 05:11:02 PM I don't follow the "politik" of Bitcoin much anymore because most of it is just beyond absurd. That said, I'm curious - why is 💩 like this even an issue at this point? Can there not be established a decentralized version of the Bitcoin web site using tech like IPFS/IPNS that is then widely promoted across the community to establish a decentralized resource that easily circumvents such legal nonsense? I'd imagine it's not just a question of how easy it would be to create such a thing, but more about the transition and getting the masses to actually use it. Path of least resistance, etc. People, generally, tend to stick with what they already know. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: NotATether on July 14, 2021, 06:29:41 PM From everything I’ve been able to read so far, GA had some of his own ideas and theories that he was constantly trying to impose, but given that Satoshi always had the last word, GA and some others started to be very critical and literally rebelled against Satoshi. I think the CIA was the thing that showed Satoshi what kind of people he was actually dealing with. And I don’t think anything has changed to this day, Faketoshi has obviously turned to those who have been very critical of Satoshi in the past, and they are giving him support to accomplish his crazy intentions. You know, don't you think it was kind of stupid to tell the CIA about bitcoin at such an early stage? Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: kaggie on July 14, 2021, 06:43:46 PM From everything I’ve been able to read so far, GA had some of his own ideas and theories that he was constantly trying to impose, but given that Satoshi always had the last word, GA and some others started to be very critical and literally rebelled against Satoshi. I think the CIA was the thing that showed Satoshi what kind of people he was actually dealing with. And I don’t think anything has changed to this day, Faketoshi has obviously turned to those who have been very critical of Satoshi in the past, and they are giving him support to accomplish his crazy intentions. You know, don't you think it was kind of stupid to tell the CIA about bitcoin at such an early stage? I doubt it -- there wasn't any real choice. That visit legitimized bitcoin, at least a little. Wikileaks had begun accepting bitcoin the previous winter. He couldn't hide, and they would be aware. The CIA was already aware. GA visited in spring 2011, nearly two years after bitcoin had gone from nil to dollars. People would have reported crypto scammers in 2010, I bet. I bet bitcoin was being advertised as magic internet money on reddit and slashdot at that point. The CIA visit would have spooked SN, but I'm sure was more a final nail in the coffin, rather than a single large reason. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: Vlad2Vlad on December 16, 2021, 08:43:11 AM Cobra is gonna have a court battle with the DOJ soon. You guys don’t realize cobra is a sock for the number 1 core dev. He was mining with BFL ASICS which he personally picked up a year before anybody got theirs. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: DooMAD on December 16, 2021, 05:45:44 PM Cobra is gonna have a court battle with the DOJ soon. You guys don’t realize cobra is a sock for the number 1 core dev. He was mining with BFL ASICS which he personally picked up a year before anybody got theirs. The moment I saw in my list of watched topics that the most recent post was from you, I knew it could be relied upon to be unsubstantiated drivel. Thank you for not being a disappointment. One day you'll shock us all and say something coherent. ::) Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: Vlad2Vlad on December 16, 2021, 10:01:34 PM Cobra is gonna have a court battle with the DOJ soon. You guys don’t realize cobra is a sock for the number 1 core dev. He was mining with BFL ASICS which he personally picked up a year before anybody got theirs. The moment I saw in my list of watched topics that the most recent post was from you, I knew it could be relied upon to be unsubstantiated drivel. Thank you for not being a disappointment. One day you'll shock us all and say something coherent. ::) Cobra is loaded with Bitcoin. He was mining with ASICS at least 1 year before anyone else. Use your imagination how many btc he probably has. Is that coherent? And nobody seems to have any idea what his real name is. That’s been entertaining for years. Lol Cobra is gonna have a court battle with the DOJ soon. You guys don’t realize cobra is a sock for the number 1 core dev. He was mining with BFL ASICS which he personally picked up a year before anybody got theirs. The moment I saw in my list of watched topics that the most recent post was from you, I knew it could be relied upon to be unsubstantiated drivel. Thank you for not being a disappointment. One day you'll shock us all and say something coherent. ::) Chipmixer? You think you can actually mix coins? Hahaha. Impossible for us to do, only the ones running the code and the govt can do that. And that’s a big maybe. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: DooMAD on December 16, 2021, 11:08:21 PM He was mining with ASICS at least 1 year before anyone else. Evidence. Show it. Something verifiable or GTFO plz. You are not considered a reliable source of information. Quite the opposite, in fact. To some, you may even appear to be mentally unhinged. As such, I'm not inclined to take anything you say at face value. Meaning you have to work that much harder to convince people that what you are saying is true. Title: Re: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) Post by: Vlad2Vlad on December 17, 2021, 10:46:03 AM He was mining with ASICS at least 1 year before anyone else. Evidence. Show it. Something verifiable or GTFO plz. You are not considered a reliable source of information. Quite the opposite, in fact. To some, you may even appear to be mentally unhinged. As such, I'm not inclined to take anything you say at face value. Meaning you have to work that much harder to convince people that what you are saying is true. Yeah, I was there. Edit: haha, I’m not trying to convince anyone. I read a lie and I simply wrote one post to correct it. Ahd that’s it, I’m done. Donate to anyone. There’s a high probability actually Cobra donated most of his bitcoins. That’s the kind of person he is. In fact, if I didn’t get robbed I’d give him the shadow of the doubt, given I know his real name, and donate a full BTC. He’s a good guy, I’m just in general incredibly upset at most everyone in crypto. And my rep is solid gold, my unstable behavior is temporary and has to do with great tragedy in my personal life but that doesn’t make me a liar. Cheers! |
