Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright)

[kaggie]

If I remember correctly, he was not invited to the three-letter agency until two years after Satoshi disappeared.

You remember incorrectly, Satoshi abruptly cut off communication when Gavin emailed him to say he would be meeting with the CIA. Gavin himself has speculated before that this is why Satoshi went away. As doomad notes, this should totally have not been a shock.

Satoshi's last forum post was Dec 2010, I believe. It was in April 2011 that he replied in email saying that he had moved onto other things. The wikileaks move to allow donations was a large part of his separation, but I'm certain it was also the stress of managing so many new people (even good teams, also spammers, etc) where anonymity made it more difficult for him to help.

Back on topic... Cobra is still trying to pay as demanded by the court, but ontier is evading every effort (cobra is copying me on the emails).  Ironically, they've stopped attaching their own name to their communications with Cobra.  "Anonymity for me but not for thee".

An interesting point here -- your real name is attached, which was a requirement by BSV promoters.

"Abandonment" can work its magic in more than one way if they don't accept.
I'd be afraid to take money too, with only shaky stories of starting large bitcoin server farms in 2009 that no one can prove. You'd think anyone would have noticed.

edit: If they never accept the payment, then the default judgement should be appealed.

[gmaxwell]

Satoshi's last forum post was Dec 2010, I believe.

Satoshi continue to communicate with developers in private for some time after.

In April 2011 Satoshi emailed Gavin (and in part criticizing him for failing to credit other contributors work on Bitcoin). Gavin replied that he would be visiting the CIA. Satoshi never emailed anyone else again. (unless you want to believe the messages from years later after the accounts were known to be compromised were satoshi)

edit: If they never accept the payment, then the default judgement should be appealed.

They don't actually care about this judgement, they want Cobra's identity so they can harass/threaten him and/or fabricate false evidence in an attempt to steal the domain.  Last year they offered him $10 million dollars for it, unsolicited, as an opening offer and they seem to have been making it clear that no isn't an option.

So it's not too surprising that they are willing to endanger their ability to collect on this 'small' default judgement. Whats 35k UKP compared to what they're willing to pay to get that domain?  It's a rounding error.

The challenge here is that the UK system seems to have no avenue for cobra to defend in these actions without doxing himself, which would expose him to worse attack.  Fortunately, the UK's power of bitcoin.org is appears to be minimal.

[kaggie]

Satoshi's last forum post was Dec 2010, I believe.

Satoshi continue to communicate with developers in private for some time after.

In April 2011 Satoshi emailed Gavin (and in part criticizing him for failing to credit other contributors work on Bitcoin). Gavin replied that he would be visiting the CIA. Satoshi never emailed anyone else again. (unless you want to believe the messages from years later after the accounts were known to be compromised were satoshi)

And then you have this guy in 2021....



versus what this guy said in 2019

[Lucius]

In April 2011 Satoshi emailed Gavin (and in part criticizing him for failing to credit other contributors work on Bitcoin). Gavin replied that he would be visiting the CIA. Satoshi never emailed anyone else again. (unless you want to believe the messages from years later after the accounts were known to be compromised were satoshi)

This is true because GA publicly announced its intention here in the forum in late April 2011.

I want to get this out in the open because it is the kind of thing that will generate conspiracy theories:  I'm going to give a presentation about Bitcoin at CIA headquarters in June at an emerging technologies conference for the US intelligence community.

From everything I’ve been able to read so far, GA had some of his own ideas and theories that he was constantly trying to impose, but given that Satoshi always had the last word, GA and some others started to be very critical and literally rebelled against Satoshi. I think the CIA was the thing that showed Satoshi what kind of people he was actually dealing with.

And I don’t think anything has changed to this day, Faketoshi has obviously turned to those who have been very critical of Satoshi in the past, and they are giving him support to accomplish his crazy intentions.

[aoluain]

Satoshi's last forum post was Dec 2010, I believe.

Satoshi continue to communicate with developers in private for some time after.

In April 2011 Satoshi emailed Gavin (and in part criticizing him for failing to credit other contributors work on Bitcoin). Gavin replied that he would be visiting the CIA. Satoshi never emailed anyone else again. (unless you want to believe the messages from years later after the accounts were known to be compromised were satoshi)

edit: If they never accept the payment, then the default judgement should be appealed.

They don't actually care about this judgement, they want Cobra's identity so they can harass/threaten him and/or fabricate false evidence in an attempt to steal the domain.  Last year they offered him $10 million dollars for it, unsolicited, as an opening offer and they seem to have been making it clear that no isn't an option.

So it's not too surprising that they are willing to endanger their ability to collect on this 'small' default judgement. Whats 35k UKP compared to what they're willing to pay to get that domain?  It's a rounding error.

The challenge here is that the UK system seems to have no avenue for cobra to defend in these actions without doxing himself, which would expose him to worse attack.  Fortunately, the UK's power of bitcoin.org is appears to be minimal.

In April 2011 Satoshi emailed Gavin (and in part criticizing him for failing to credit other contributors work on Bitcoin). Gavin replied that he would be visiting the CIA. Satoshi never emailed anyone else again. (unless you want to believe the messages from years later after the accounts were known to be compromised were satoshi)

This is true because GA publicly announced its intention here in the forum in late April 2011.

I want to get this out in the open because it is the kind of thing that will generate conspiracy theories:  I'm going to give a presentation about Bitcoin at CIA headquarters in June at an emerging technologies conference for the US intelligence community.

From everything I’ve been able to read so far, GA had some of his own ideas and theories that he was constantly trying to impose, but given that Satoshi always had the last word, GA and some others started to be very critical and literally rebelled against Satoshi. I think the CIA was the thing that showed Satoshi what kind of people he was actually dealing with.

And I don’t think anything has changed to this day, Faketoshi has obviously turned to those who have been very critical of Satoshi in the past, and they are giving him support to accomplish his crazy intentions.

I dont have anything to add, you guys/gals are very knowledgable in the historical
events surrounding Satoshi, related topics like Bitcoin.org and various people.

While I find everything surrounding Faketoshi kindof stressful/annoying its also very fascinating.

[kaggie]

I dont have anything to add, you guys/gals are very knowledgable in the historical
events surrounding Satoshi, related topics like Bitcoin.org and various people.

While I find everything surrounding Faketoshi kindof stressful/annoying its also very intriguing,
should I be guilty of that?

Same.

I am addicted to this story, at least this week.
I would like to read a book written by those who are more knowledgeable on the subject.  

Where people put their wealth is taken much more seriously than a website. Even if a takeover were succesful, crypto and bitcoin would survive. The network has been established as a protocol for too long. It's international. It is its own prior art and has MIT 2 license. It has industry leaders, history, and wealth.  A website has potential to confuse new people, but not really, and not for long. A lost website is like software rot, which is an (often unfortunate) nuisance; there are many different (and open source) wallets that access the network. Bitcoin is decentralised in more than its protocol.

They don't actually care about this judgement, they want Cobra's identity so they can harass/threaten him and/or fabricate false evidence in an attempt to steal the domain.  Last year they offered him $10 million dollars for it, unsolicited, as an opening offer and they seem to have been making it clear that no isn't an option.

Suing after not getting what they want, especially for so much... Interesting.

[Yclock]

I don't follow the "politik" of Bitcoin much anymore because most of it is just beyond absurd. That said, I'm curious - why is 💩 like this even an issue at this point? Can there not be established a decentralized version of the Bitcoin web site using tech like IPFS/IPNS that is then widely promoted across the community to establish a decentralized resource that easily circumvents such legal nonsense?

[DooMAD]

I don't follow the "politik" of Bitcoin much anymore because most of it is just beyond absurd. That said, I'm curious - why is 💩 like this even an issue at this point? Can there not be established a decentralized version of the Bitcoin web site using tech like IPFS/IPNS that is then widely promoted across the community to establish a decentralized resource that easily circumvents such legal nonsense?

I'd imagine it's not just a question of how easy it would be to create such a thing, but more about the transition and getting the masses to actually use it.  Path of least resistance, etc.  People, generally, tend to stick with what they already know.

[NotATether]

From everything I’ve been able to read so far, GA had some of his own ideas and theories that he was constantly trying to impose, but given that Satoshi always had the last word, GA and some others started to be very critical and literally rebelled against Satoshi. I think the CIA was the thing that showed Satoshi what kind of people he was actually dealing with.

And I don’t think anything has changed to this day, Faketoshi has obviously turned to those who have been very critical of Satoshi in the past, and they are giving him support to accomplish his crazy intentions.

You know, don't you think it was kind of stupid to tell the CIA about bitcoin at such an early stage?

[kaggie]

From everything I’ve been able to read so far, GA had some of his own ideas and theories that he was constantly trying to impose, but given that Satoshi always had the last word, GA and some others started to be very critical and literally rebelled against Satoshi. I think the CIA was the thing that showed Satoshi what kind of people he was actually dealing with.

And I don’t think anything has changed to this day, Faketoshi has obviously turned to those who have been very critical of Satoshi in the past, and they are giving him support to accomplish his crazy intentions.

You know, don't you think it was kind of stupid to tell the CIA about bitcoin at such an early stage?

I doubt it -- there wasn't any real choice. That visit legitimized bitcoin, at least a little. Wikileaks had begun accepting bitcoin the previous winter. He couldn't hide, and they would be aware.

The CIA was already aware. GA visited in spring 2011, nearly two years after bitcoin had gone from nil to dollars. People would have reported crypto scammers in 2010, I bet. I bet bitcoin was being advertised as magic internet money on reddit and slashdot at that point.

The CIA visit would have spooked SN, but I'm sure was more a final nail in the coffin, rather than a single large reason.

[Vlad2Vlad]

Cobra is gonna have a court battle with the DOJ soon.  You guys don’t realize cobra is a sock for the number 1 core dev.  He was mining with BFL ASICS which he personally picked up a year before anybody got theirs. 

[DooMAD]

Cobra is gonna have a court battle with the DOJ soon.  You guys don’t realize cobra is a sock for the number 1 core dev.  He was mining with BFL ASICS which he personally picked up a year before anybody got theirs. 

The moment I saw in my list of watched topics that the most recent post was from you, I knew it could be relied upon to be unsubstantiated drivel.  Thank you for not being a disappointment.  One day you'll shock us all and say something coherent.   

[Vlad2Vlad]

Cobra is gonna have a court battle with the DOJ soon.  You guys don’t realize cobra is a sock for the number 1 core dev.  He was mining with BFL ASICS which he personally picked up a year before anybody got theirs.  

The moment I saw in my list of watched topics that the most recent post was from you, I knew it could be relied upon to be unsubstantiated drivel.  Thank you for not being a disappointment.  One day you'll shock us all and say something coherent.  

Cobra is loaded with Bitcoin.  He was mining with ASICS at least 1 year before anyone else.  Use your imagination how many btc he probably has.  Is that coherent?  And nobody seems to have any idea what his real name is.  That’s been entertaining for years.  Lol

Cobra is gonna have a court battle with the DOJ soon.  You guys don’t realize cobra is a sock for the number 1 core dev.  He was mining with BFL ASICS which he personally picked up a year before anybody got theirs.  

The moment I saw in my list of watched topics that the most recent post was from you, I knew it could be relied upon to be unsubstantiated drivel.  Thank you for not being a disappointment.  One day you'll shock us all and say something coherent.  

Chipmixer?  You think you can actually mix coins?  Hahaha.  Impossible for us to do, only the ones running the code and the govt can do that.  And that’s a big maybe.  

[DooMAD]

He was mining with ASICS at least 1 year before anyone else.

Evidence.  Show it.  Something verifiable or GTFO plz.

You are not considered a reliable source of information.  Quite the opposite, in fact.  To some, you may even appear to be mentally unhinged.  As such, I'm not inclined to take anything you say at face value.  Meaning you have to work that much harder to convince people that what you are saying is true.

[Vlad2Vlad]

He was mining with ASICS at least 1 year before anyone else.

Evidence.  Show it.  Something verifiable or GTFO plz.

You are not considered a reliable source of information.  Quite the opposite, in fact.  To some, you may even appear to be mentally unhinged.  As such, I'm not inclined to take anything you say at face value.  Meaning you have to work that much harder to convince people that what you are saying is true.

Yeah, I was there.  

Edit:  haha, I’m not trying to convince anyone.  I read a lie and I simply wrote one post to correct it.  Ahd that’s it, I’m done.  Donate to anyone.  There’s a high probability actually Cobra donated most of his bitcoins.  That’s the kind of person he is.  In fact, if I didn’t get robbed I’d give him the shadow of the doubt, given I know his real name, and donate a full BTC.  He’s a good guy, I’m just in general incredibly upset at most everyone in crypto. 

And my rep is solid gold, my unstable behavior is temporary and has to do with great tragedy in my personal life but that doesn’t make me a liar. 

Cheers!