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Let us not forget him. Let us not forget the injustice done. Let us not forget, above all, the love of freedom!

https://freeross.org/

It might not be unfair but I think he is finally doing good in the prison last time I checked about a story about him. I don't think that if he did otherwise, I think that it will end up for him the same because this is the biggest catch of FBI in cybercrime and they want to make it look like a real success.

You might change your mind about Ross, when you read the chatlogs from his computer. Esp. the parts where he ordered to kill various people and his reaction, when he knew about the deaths, which actually never took place, but he definitely THOUGHT he ordered to kill somebody. Not sure if really fits.

Have you read some of the stuff he writes about while locked up? Such a great mind wasted. There was obviously criminal stuff that happened however with all the shady stuff that came after with the powers that be; it should void everything.

I think that there is a strong possibility that one of those corrupt agents on the case framed him.

He's one of the examples why Satoshi's identity should continue to be kept private. Ross received a way harsher sentence than he should've received. I believe that the intel has looked in-depth for him and this case happened so that people would be scared of trying to go off-grid with Tor and Bitcoin.

I can't say he's innocent, of course. But something is definitely weird about his case and I think it's the intel who wanted to scare people off. We have to remember that Bitcoin and Tor give us together a way towards economical freedom we've never had before, and we know how bad of an image BTC had back before 2016-2017. They tried their best to stop it, they couldn't and now they're joining us because if you can't fight it, you have to join it.

Yeah dude, remember the time that he hired someone to try and kill the people that might cause him a problem. Not to mention that Silkroad's primary product at that time were drugs, this drugs that destroys a person. Him opening the way for drug traffickers to expand their customer doesn't really ring good in my ears.

Sure they framed him. They even trapped him to do what he did and they got caught. Nevertheless he thought he was acting just like a kingpin of a drug empire would. He didn't deserve this long sentence though.

As far as I know this is pretty much the main problem with Ross Ulbricht's case, not necessarily the fact that he was imprisoned. I mean, actual killers and rapists have had far less prison time than Ulbricht's absurd double life + 40 yrs without parole sentence. His life sentence was as if he caused a new Holocaust.

I'm convinced that the drawn-out prison sentence was more of a message.

Anybody who followed the story about SilkRoad and Ross Ulbritch knows that it was not just one guy called Dread Pirate Roberts but it was more people behind that pseudonym and not just Ross.

I agree with you that administration wanted to make an example from Ross Ulbritch and send clear message to everyone who would dare to make open free marketplace like that again in future.
I also doubt in any proof claiming that he kingpin who was thinking of ordering some murders, and we know that some dirty agents got arrested in this case that makes everything dirty.

Double life sentence for Ross should be reduced but I doubt this will happen because current US administration is just a continuation of one that sentenced Ross.
I am not familiar with US law but I believe that after failed appeal only hope left for Ross is that US president pardons him, however I don't expect to see this from Biden.

Yea, that's quite the unfortunate truth. And knowing that people in general outside of bitcoin/crypto don't even know Ross(compared to the likes of Julian Assange and Edward Snowden which are known by a lot of people), the chances of a pardon is extremely slim.

Regardless of the motive for the punishment he received, we honestly see that there is some kind of legal injustice being applied. someone trying to cover up the truth and it's plain to see. but speculation alone is not enough, and we don't have much evidence of the sentence he received. who will be responsible? everyone will fear the law that is not transparent.

It is a version by the authorities to make him look like a monster and i still believe that because the way in which his trail went and the insane sentence he got. He could have got out if he came clean with a smaller sentence if he accepted his mistakes but he never choose to do so and so is the reason he is punished harshly and i think it was not a fair sentencing.

Yes he created a site and anyone who used the site got out with smaller sentencing and you still think it is a fair sentencing ?.

He was young and impulsive, so no wonder a professional agent pushed him towards trying to murder someone. I'm personally feeling sympathetic towards Ross because I don't think that running a website where adult people buy what they see fit (largely drugs), and the truly terrible stuff like child porn was NOT sold on his website. He's been in prison for too long already for something that I'm not sure deserves a prison sentence at all (not legally speaking, but morally speaking), while there are truly ridiculous cases like the Abu Ghraib prison (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse) where people were tortured, treated very inhumanely and killed, but the biggest sentence to a bunch of convicted war criminals was the main guy getting only 10 years (!) of prison and being released early after 6.5 years. So I don't see how after that, double life inprisonment + 40 years is a just sentence for Ross.

Have those chatlogs been made public in court documents? I'm not really sure how the general public found out about them if law enforcement seized/intercepted these logs but then didn't provide them as evidence.

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Does anyone else find the idea of a "double life sentence" or a "life sentence + some years" nonsensical? Because the prisoner is dead by the time the first life sentence is finished.

Somewhere here: https://antilop.cc/sr/

Dude, just look at the address of the bitcoin wallet created by the FBI to retrieve the coins from Ross's computer on that same site. the address remains active today, with numerous transactions.

Is it true and are the sources publicly available that he ordered to kill people? We might underestimate in that regard and honestly if that is true, that's a no go. I didn't know he is that brutal assuming it is correct. Otherwise the penalty is insane.

You can find out everything by yourself here: https://antilop.cc/sr/#exhibit
The torchats with vj/cimon are the ones you want to look for.

he did order the hit as what the documentary says. i did watch almost 5 documentaries about him and silkroad, it was a great journey we know he has great views on things. i really do think he doesn't have a personality who would kill like the bosses on the Mexican cartel. he didn't even bother to see if there was news about the death of the person he ordered the hit. i do think the sentence is too much.

just so you guys know. this is his assumed account. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3905
he was traced base on his post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47811.msg568744#msg568744 by the guy who spent time trying to google frosty and dpr.

Personally, I can not find any good reason (even if there are, actually) to be an acceptable alibi when someone or the platform a person is known for is dealing anything illegal like drugs. We have to make that clear, right from the very start. Freedom is never an excuse...because with freedom comes big responsibilities. Only those people who are responsible enough are making the freedom we are all enjoying really shine...otherwise it is not freedom we are dealing with but just an illusion of it. The fact that some agents working with the government is not an excuse to make someone's crimes and mistakes go away. That is just putting one mistake with another one.

and what can people do? when governments mention national security issues, or talk about drug trafficking crime, or talk about money laundering crimes, or talk about child pornography crime then forget that someone can get rid of these charges so easily. governments take it hard when they invoke these types of crimes, unfortunately there is nothing to do, unless someone is going to hypnotize the president of the USA and other countries that he is accused of so that they will forgive him for all crimes

Seriously, ordering murder even though you aren't showing any interest in the outcome afterwards does show you suffer from significant psychological deficiencies. If you ran a marketplace in the darknet, or even any marketplace, could you ever decide to facilitate an order for having some person murdered? I know I couldn't. Even if he has seemingly good and morally valuable views on other aspects of life, ordering murder on behalf of someone else is insane. It's like a priest believing in god while abusing children. We would never come to the conclusion that the priest is still a good human being after all. There is no coming back from crossing certain red lines. Ordering murder is clearly a red line in my opinion. If it was against some brutal terrorist it might be a different story, but that's a moral and philosophical discussion that does not seem to apply here.

IMO, Ross Ulbricht had one final chance of walking free again. And that was when Donald Trump was pardoning various prisoners after he lost his re-election bid. But despite a lot of lobbying, Trump refused to pardon him. And that was his last chance. Because none of the presidents in the future are likely to pardon him. There was a small chance of Trump doing that, since he is not a career politician. And as you know, the court system wants to impose the maximum possible punishment upon him.

In the future, Ross Ulbricht will be remembered as a martyr who sacrificed his freedom for the freedom of others. But he will die inside the prison, without any chance of a parole. It is foolish to expect any mercy from the system, when it didn't showed any of that to people like Aaron Swartz. The message from the swamp is loud and clear - if you want to go against the system, then you will be destroyed.

I can only agree with you and for a short moment I thought there might be a tiny chance for him bing pardoned by Trump, but if am not mistaken Trump ignored the topic to a great extent. I can only repeat myself that if he ordered murder on behalf of others that throws a dark shadow on him and his story eternally. Even though it is a moral debate ultimately, there is still a difference between running a marketplace where you can buy dope and running a marketplace where you can order a hitman to kill somebody for you. The latter isn't about freedom to me.

Ross Ulbricht is a criminal.His crimes are proven and well known.Why should we help him?
What do you mean by "injustice done"?Do you think that he should have been sentenced for a few years,instead of a double life sentence?Do you think that crimes like "money laundering, computer hacking, conspiracy to traffic fraudulent identity documents, and conspiracy to traffic narcotics by means of the internet" deserve a different verdict?If yes,can you explain your thesis?
I don't understand the point of your post and I don't trust the website link,that you have posted.

Why would we save someone that made the drug trafficking around the world much more available through the world via the Internet? I don't get the appeal of sympathizing with this person.

Nice words from a nice Mixer website promoter  ;D

His punishment is unreal, especially by a government which currency (USD) funds most of illegal activities worldwide.

According to the jailed FBI agent (Shaun Bridges), he manipulated Ross Ulbricht and made him believe that one of his accomplices had stolen his funds. As per Bridges, he convinced Ulbricht to murder Curtis Clark Green. If Biridges is true, then Ulbricht made a huge mistake. But I don't know whether we can believe Shaun Bridges. He is the same person who stole half a million USD worth of BTC from the Silk Road wallet. I agree with you. If the allegation is correct, then there is absolutely no justification for that.

Agreed. Let him rot in jail where he belongs.

The proof that you are uninformed about the case begins by not knowing the website of the respective link, but stay with your superficial conclusions.

OK. What was his crime in the first place? Could you please explain?

For setting up an anonymous marketplace, you want a 29-year old individual to spend the rest of his life behind bars. He wasn't directly involved in drug trafficking. And as far as I know, he never promoted any drugs personally. His crime was that he went against the system. And for that offense, the judges think that he needs to spend the rest of his life in prison. And for your information, the vendors who sold the greatest amount of drugs using Silk Road were Paul Howard, Peter Ward, Richard Hiley, James Ellingson and Thomas White. None of them received more than 6 years imprisonment. 

Aha I see, I realize I know less details than you guys here. If the guy Shaun Bridges is in jail, it wouldn't be the first time that someone like him talks shit and lies for whatever sake. For the sake of just harming someone without being able to expect anything in return. That would make it even worse if Ulbricht is going to die in jail because some faggot lied...