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I’m trying to make sense of this real life experience of mine..

Grandmother just had a surgery, she is staying in the hospital for about a week..

My mother and uncle both try to visit her..

Mother, not vaccinated, they let her visit my grandmother..

Uncle, vaccinated, but vaccinated less than 2 weeks ago, they will not let him into the hospital at all, not even the waiting rooms, where my unvaccinated mother is allowed to be in the hospital all over the place..


Now why is it that they are more strictly refusing entry to recently vaccinated people than to completely unvaccinated people?
I can hardly believe this is true, but it is..

Wtf?

Interesting datapoint.  Gene therapy trial participants (sometimes mislabeled 'vaccinated') are also not welcome to donate blood either so I've heard.  It's fishy as hell.

For my part I'm keeping my distance from people who I know to have participated in this gene therapy.  When there are a lot of them around in a few weeks I will voluntarily stay at home and away from public places.  I do that anyway to a degree because it is humiliating to wear a mask.  Mask-wearers are already not welcome at my properties, and vaccinated won't be either I'm sad to say.  I just cannot take the chance when my family's health is at stake.

There is also weird and noxious shit being sprayed around the malls.  I drove through a parking structure at one of the malls a few weeks ago and it was pretty gassy.  Tried to hold my breath, but couldn't make it due some slow moving people who looked like they may have been 'vaxxed' already.  One of these next acts will be the zombie apocalypse as the genetic modifications from the 'vaccine' cause the conversion of proteins into deformed Creutzfeldt-Jakob style plaques and the victim's brains slowly fuse into a non-functional mass.  At least it is a possibility that I don't rule out.

I mean, the simple answer is probably that your uncle had a cough or a raised temperature at some point in the last two weeks, but tvbcof jumps straight to zombie apocalypse. ::)

I don't know exactly why this is the case in your country, but I read that straight after vaccination that you don't have any immunity yet, it takes 1-2 weeks to build up after the vaccination. On top of that is the immune system much weaker directly after the vaccination. In the end they just want to protect your grandmother. I also find it a bit strange that they make a difference between your mother and your uncle, it should be equal for both of them. Did you mother had to take a covid test before entering the hospital?

Vaccine means inactive virus will be injected into the body so our immune system will identify them and fight against the covid virus next time if it enters into our body, but all the vacicnes are less efficacy and many vaccines are not even approved by the country where we are living that is why the issue I guess.

Great, I think a self-imposed lockdown is the right solution for you. How are you going to detect vaccinated infiltrators if they try to breach the perimeter pretending to be unvaccinated?


I would suggest less beans in your diet.

Vaccine Passport scanner and a simple logic circuit known as an 'inverter' wired to the output.


Wow, good one dude!  You so funny.  You make me laugh long time.

Yeas that is what “vaccine” means.. Butt..
Most of these “jabs” aren’t even really “vaccines” by definition..


I heard no story of them asking or him or him telling if he had a cough or fever recently..
No such conversation that I am aware of..

What I never understood about Covid guidelines was that if you are in a business, like a restaurant, you are required to wear your mask. But then you take your mask off while eating. You got a pub or a bar and you wear a mask, yet you take the mask off to sip a drink. What's the point?

Might be a similar situation. It's not like any of these guidelines are based in science, they're based in terms of liability. The immunity peaks a bit after 2 weeks following the second dose of the shot, so technically you aren't "fully" protected until post 2 weeks. Hospital probably saw your uncle as a risk, but that doesn't really explain why they let your mother in. Did they know she wasn't vaxed?

A compromise. No one wants to shut down a country for an extended period of time, or when the pandemic ends. If your region is facing some really bad infection rates and hasn't reached herd immunity, then shutting them down is a no-brainer.

@eddie13, no one will know the reason why. In practice, a vaccinated individual poses far less risks than a non-vaccinated one. Interesting to note that though you are fully vaccinated, there still runs a risk of you contracting Covid, albeit probably asymptomatic. I suggest for you to clarify with your hospital about this, there are loads different factors involved and it would be far better for you to get some clarifications from the hospital than from the community here. You're just going to get people trying to spread unscientific misinformation or speculating around here.

If it wasn't because of a recent cough, then perhaps they are simply easing restrictions somewhat by allowing one visitor per patient? In which case your mother is allowed as first visitor, your uncle isn't because they don't allow a second visitor.
But it's difficult to determine the reason without knowing the rules that that specific hospital has in place. The answer really is to phone the hospital and ask.



If popular culture has taught me anything, it's that it's more of a shuffle.

simple logic..

when entering and walking around you are spreading your breath walking around a public space.... so masks are needed
when sat at a table your breath is more confined to one area and you are social distancing strangers by them not being at your table..  and the only people at your table are in your own social group. then masks are less needed

does it really require you to ask such basic common sense questions on a forum about bitcoin

come on.. atleast spend 5 minutes thinking about a common sense answer before posting your question.
it might surprise you that deep down if you took the time you might actually have worked out the answer for yourself.

try it next time

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all valid points. apart from one
its more like knuckle dragging along with their feet behind them
many signs that those types of people drag their feet when it comes to many things

1990 'wont use a cell phone because radiowaves'
(later they use it)
2000 'wont use internet because spies'
(later they use it)
2010 'wont use social media because my public messages are public'
(later they use it)
2020 'wont take vaccine because needles and conspiracies'
(later they use it)
2030 'wont use EV cars because china'

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Another reason might be that Eddie’s uncle recently had exposure to someone infected with Covid, or Covid symptoms.

Both should be considered “unvaccinated” although the uncle will have some protection while he is waiting two weeks after his second shot.

its the same empty drama of
someone in hospital but they have protocols.
only one unsymptomatic visitor allowed in..

2 black woman turn up. thinking they should both be allowed in for whatever reason.
they are told they are both not allowed in.. and ofcourse they pull he race card.. thinking its some anti-black agenda.

um no.
single person. no symptoms is the policy.
being black or white or vaccinated or not does not change or workaround or loop hole the policy

I just got clarification..

Their was NO cough, fever, or exposure to anyone else with Covid, and they ARE allowing multiple visitors, as others have been let in too..

The refusal was based SOLEY on him having been vaccinated less than 2 weeks ago..

So.. Nice assumptions, but none were the case at all..

They are not letting recently vaccinated people into hospitals, while they are letting unvaccinated people in..

i think eddie is just making up BS now.

i had to remind myself by checking his post history if he has ever stayed factual or just made silly conspiracy theories. and there it was clear as day he is a conspiracy theorist
soo many false posts by him that its now obvious he will make things up to be controversial

i bet he wont even dare link his hospitals website that says what he pretends their policy is

This is pseudo science bullshit. That's not what the science says. CDC says 15 minutes of contact "in totality" with an infected person within 6 feet is enough to put you in a high risk category for Covid.

This means when you're walking around, the chance of you spreading Covid is almost nonexistent. You don't have enough contact just walking by people to form a viral load enough to the point someone will get infected. If you are sitting down at a table, you would need a mask because you are in close contact with other people for more than 15 minutes. And by the way, the evidence that masks even work in slowing down the spread is so small because people don't even know how to use a mask properly, they reuse them, touch their mask over and over again, wear it below the nose, wear cheap masks that don't make a proper face seal, all the rest. You will struggle to find a single study that isolates masks as slowing down Covid spread within a general population. Seriously. Try to find one. Most all studies are down in laboratory settings where they use masks to capture respiratory droplets which ignore a lot of the factors I just mentioned. And it turns out, Covid spread is *not* happening because people go into crowds and spit/sneeze every where, it's a slow viral load buildup from close contact sustained over some period of time -- not just walking by someone at a pub without a mask on.

It’s not MY hospital and I’m nowhere near there.. Butt...
Yeah no.. I’m not comfortable posting the location of my family..
You can think whatever you want..

Could you please show me any examples of a post in which I lied or made anything up? Please?
Find one lie or made up story I have ever made.. Do it.. Show me.. Show everyone..
I say your full of shit..
Prove it..


Conspiracy theorist?
IDK.. I just don’t believe anything.. Lessly so anything mainstream..

Me just make story shit up?
Prove it or shut the fuck up..

CYA.  Their doing the safe thing, and I don't blame them.  The vaccine is new, and all of it's ramifications are unknown.  It's highly unlikely that a person who was recently vaccinated for any disease could cause harm to others.  However, when someone is recovering from surgery they're more susceptible to infections.  It makes sense to take precautions.  They would probably do the same if you're uncle had recently been vaccinated for measles.

 

I found some articles which suggest the people to go under 2 weeks or 10 days quarantine even if they took the two doses or completely vaccinated but only if they are previously exposed to covid 19.

Unfortunately a recently AZ gene therapy trail participant made it into my compound and talked to my wife.

I should have suspected that he was a trail victim as he was one of the true 'covidiots' wearing a mask and face shield at all times.  We only found out (after his visit) that he was a a trail participant because he bragged about it on his Facefuck page.

They need to roll out the 'vaccine passports' quickly so we can protect ourselves from these potential super-spreaders of Gates/Epstein designer genes!

you have really lost it now tvbcof

knowing how much you want to spread the virus. it was good idea to have him mask up to protect him from your family

maybe try to go back to highschool and learn some basic biology

an arm infection.. is not a lung infection..
so you thinking a vaccine can spread.. is idiotic on your part

but hey. if you are offended that someone approached you with a mask. it seems you are the one wanting to spread your smelly breath onto other people and get upset when people do things to not smell your stinky breath

seems you going soo deep down the lunacy path i predict your just one conspiracy quote away from going full shopping cart licker

I would have thought the answer is obvious. They know that unvaccinated people are healthier than those who have been vaccinated. (all other morbidities being equal of course).

That's a clever way of calling the vaccine a death sentence.    8)

well if your going to stand at the bar breathing over the barman for 15 minutes.. they want you to mask up
however if your sat at a table and they are doing table service where they come to you for your drinks for just 10 seconds they dont mind

common sense

if you are lingering around the common area for 30 seconds. and then another customer does the same.. it only takes 30 customers before that common area is a hotzone of 30 different breaths that may have it.

hense.. wear a mask as you walk in and pass the common area. and take off the mask once in the socially distanced tables

common sense

oh and if you dont like it. well its the landlord/bar owners freedom to chuck yo out the bar if you are putting his staff at risk due to your ignorance. so how about get some beers ordered in from the store. and stay home and live in your ignorance away from others.

the other option if you want to remain a numbskull. is that you have to have a stick up your nose and checked to see if you have it. meaning waiting around for 30 minutes before being let in..
.. now how upset would you be

so take the compromise. bars/restaurants dont owe you anything. they definitely dont want patrons that want to spread illness round on purpose(as you evidently want to achieve)

Take a look at the common sense of government and the researchers - https://www.bitchute.com/video/qlnmKcLYmvKM/ and https://www.bitchute.com/video/l4g5x7gEuVFU/.

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Again, if the CDC says it takes 15 minutes in totality for a high chance of transmission, it's anti-science to mask up while walking to your table in a restaurant, then taking off the mask while you sit for an hour eating a meal. You're saying they don't mind if the barman is near someone unmasked for 10 seconds. They do mind, that's why they have mask mandates in restaurants despite people taking off their mask to eat. If it's about compromise, then say it's about compromise. Because it sure as hell isn't about science.

Is it that the scientists of our time don't know what they are doing or are not just satisfied with the results yet. It doesn't make sense at all as to why, the unvaccinated has more freewill or freedom than the vaccinated. The reverse should have been the case but instead, the case is different. Perhaps there is some hidden truth about the vaccination yet to unravel.
Well, I wouldn't advice anyone to get vaccinated but then, the government is making this stand for an individual a very difficult one. As it becomes some sort of requirement to process certain data and more likely, yo make inter nation travels.

Have you tried "ASKING" why?, cause there must be some kind of explanation, and depending on the explanation is our response.

What you just stated is just the overview of the scenario.

I don't know what the policies of the hospital of that, Some countries they allowed vaccinated attend in mass gathering, sports like NBA, I don't know if they complete the shot of vaccine. I heard some of vaccinated have minor symptoms like fever and headache but the doctors said its normal, I think they need to quarantine for 2 weeks or until the complete the shot of vaccine so if they symptoms, they already quarantine. 

Of course they should be quarantined. After all, they aren't going to last long. Many of them are dying all ready. Peruse https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5340358.0.

Why should they be allowed to affect normal people with their virus variant shedding?

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There is a remarkable indifference toward how to run schools going forward.  One hypothetical explanation is that those who are 'in the know' believe that there will not be much need for schools, and to the degree that there is, they have technological solutions which can overcome the problem that some minority of human teachers strike out on their own and actually teach kids how to think.  Yes, you can force teachers into seminars and 'continuing education' and most of them will comply with the centrally issued curriculum, but you really cannot let the drone-level workforce in on the hidden secrets.  This problem/principle applies to more than just education of course.

I guess there are just miscommunication or misunderstanding regarding the protocol or I think since your uncle is vaccinated already they wanted him to just isolated for a while and not to get affected by any virus because some believe that in some people even though they are vaccinated they still get affected by virus.. well just what I thought. You better clarify it to them so that you would understand it clearly.

Vaccinated people have a higher resistance to the Coronavirus so they may not get infected. Separating vaccinated and unvaccinated people is a misconception.
A hospital with such discrimination is not worth treating the sick. I want to know where do you live? We don't have that kind of behavior in our country.

One whistle-blowing nurse (purportedly) claims that every single hospitalized 'covid' patient in her place of work was 'vaccinated'.  Without exception.  I took this to be info from mid to late Mar 2021.  Didn't get the country.

Now I don't take anything I hear on the 'net as gospel, but I will say that I assign more credibility to a random person who claims to be a whistleblower than I do to almost any statement from any of the corporate owned media at this point.  This just on the basis of experience to date, and especially since the start of the scamdemic.

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Oh, while I'm here, a tid-bit of info from the trenches.  The father of an associate got the jab 6 days ago and is now in the hospital.  Dunno if it was the first or 2nd, or what the name on the vial was.  The dude must be pretty sick because you have to have one foot in the grave (and have a fuck-load of money) to get into a hospital where I am at.  Four months ago several of the hospitals I went to (in order to try to save the life of someone with sepsis) were either shut down or VERY un-busy.  Only got her in due to a recent rt-PCR test even though she was probably only a day or two from death.  All the while the 'news' media were going on 24/7 about how overloaded the hospitals were and how all the staff was nearly dead from exhaustion.  I know from seeing with my own eyes that this was a bald-faced lie and a total scam.

The hospital is in a very nice and clean classy small city in one of the most beautiful areas in the country.. Tuorist area..

It is an excellent place and an excellent hospital..
Not the biggest hospital ever, but quite big and very nice..
Quite far from major cities..

They do a great job and I would trust this hospital very much..


Lot of fishy shit going on..

My only gripe is its taking the world too long to incorporate into its policies the fact that a lot of people have now been vaccinated. Even when travel restrictions on foreigners are lifted, I'd still have to quarantine at a state-approved hotel for 7-10 days before I can continue life as usual... and thats if you're vaccinated.

Don't really give a shit if people do or don't want to get vaccinated by now; enough of us already got it so we don't really care what happens to the remaining few who are deadset on contracting this century's smallpox. It is a shame that they insist on slowing the world down for the rest of us waiting for things to get back to normal. The great benefits of living in the 4chan age. People have retarded themselves with an affluence of misinformation. But what can you do.

People who have been genetically modified by Big Pharma would do best to stay near where they want their final resting place to be for a few years.  It's a costly hassle to move a corpse around.  Why burden family and loved ones with the cost and hassle?

This recommendation of segregation clearance for people with vaccinated immunity is consistent with segregation recommendations for those with natural immunity which simplifies application. No segregation is required for vaccinated individuals segregation of vaccine implants and those living in healthcare settings should continue after exposure to a suspected or confirmed COVID-19 infected person outpatients should be careful to use appropriate transmissions with caution. People with low immunity will be infected with the virus even if they are isolated so care must be taken to maintain protection.

I think you should get your loved one out of that hospital right away because there is no place where medically trained doctors behave like this. Perhaps they use fake degrees or connections to get a job in hospitals.
The problem of asking for money from patients' family members is present all over the world and most of them are in state hospitals. Through your story, I see that the situation in your country is very bad.




Maybe the perception of the doctors at this hospital is not correct. I hope your family members get well soon.

     Well, it clearly depends on the situation itself entirely and not because of any conspiracy related reasons. Your uncle probably had symptoms related to covid even when he doesn't have the actual virus like a high temperature, cough or runny nose. Which may have been the reason of the people there who monitor whoever enters the hospital to be misled and think that your uncle is infected. Or maybe, the hospital just has poor management that they have careless people who monitor the people who enters the hospital. Did your uncle even inform them that he was already vaccinated? Was his vaccination less than two weeks ago the last or the first dose? These are also things you need to consider.

Tash already reported on this arrest of Deborah Birx elsewhere, but...


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That isn't what the pharma companies claim. No vaccine is 100% effective, and it reduces the health of the victim, hence the 5 week wait for the body to regain natural immunity.

Every person exposed to the virus will become infected to a certain degree. The real question is how their bodies will react. Healthy people with strong immunity will shrug off the virus. Vaccinated people will have more problems, and may allow the virus to mutate, as the vaccines are based on unnatural synthesised viruses of virus particles.

Major spine surgery after some broken/cracked vertebrae from a hard fall..
Surgery went excellently and even elected to fix some other spine problem causing pinched nerves (siatic nerve something) while they were in there..

All fixed..
World class surgeons..

You want the best medical care in the world no matter where you are from?
Come pay cash!!
MURICA!!

I don’t care what country you are from or what great medical program you think your country has..
NO medical service in the world is as good as American medical service, if you can pay for it ;)

You broke?
Wait in line for months to get your public medical crap service with shot doctors to maybe fix it eventually..

Want it done NOW by the best of the best? Come with cash..


You know why all your other countries have crappier doctors?
Because the best all come to America to make REAL MONEY at their trade..
You’d be amazed if you saw..
Sweet sweet capitalism..



The fact of the matter is that world class spinal surgeons are not letting in the recently vaccinated as visitors while they ARE allowing completely unvaccinated..

Imagine all you want, it is what is happening..

^^^ What is happening is happening because people don't know about Private Membership Associations (PMA).

If a hospital wanted to set themselves up as a PMA, they would be outside the jurisdiction of most of government and  medical agencies. They could offer and do procedures that they wanted, as long as the member in question agreed, and as long as they weren't harming anyone.

Search here - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Private+Membership+Association&t=ffab&ia=web - and look several pages deep for loads of medical PMAs that are up and running already.

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