Vaccinated persons quarantine?

[eddie13]

I’m trying to make sense of this real life experience of mine..

Grandmother just had a surgery, she is staying in the hospital for about a week..

My mother and uncle both try to visit her..

Mother, not vaccinated, they let her visit my grandmother..

Uncle, vaccinated, but vaccinated less than 2 weeks ago, they will not let him into the hospital at all, not even the waiting rooms, where my unvaccinated mother is allowed to be in the hospital all over the place..


Now why is it that they are more strictly refusing entry to recently vaccinated people than to completely unvaccinated people?
I can hardly believe this is true, but it is..

Wtf?

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[tvbcof]

I’m trying to make sense of this real life experience of mine..

Grandmother just had a surgery, she is staying in the hospital for about a week..

My mother and uncle both try to visit her..

Mother, not vaccinated, they let her visit my grandmother..

Uncle, vaccinated, but vaccinated less than 2 weeks ago, they will not let him into the hospital at all, not even the waiting rooms, where my unvaccinated mother is allowed to be in the hospital all over the place..

Now why is it that they are more strictly refusing entry to recently vaccinated people than to completely unvaccinated people?
I can hardly believe this is true, but it is..

Wtf?

Interesting datapoint.  Gene therapy trial participants (sometimes mislabeled 'vaccinated') are also not welcome to donate blood either so I've heard.  It's fishy as hell.

For my part I'm keeping my distance from people who I know to have participated in this gene therapy.  When there are a lot of them around in a few weeks I will voluntarily stay at home and away from public places.  I do that anyway to a degree because it is humiliating to wear a mask.  Mask-wearers are already not welcome at my properties, and vaccinated won't be either I'm sad to say.  I just cannot take the chance when my family's health is at stake.

There is also weird and noxious shit being sprayed around the malls.  I drove through a parking structure at one of the malls a few weeks ago and it was pretty gassy.  Tried to hold my breath, but couldn't make it due some slow moving people who looked like they may have been 'vaxxed' already.  One of these next acts will be the zombie apocalypse as the genetic modifications from the 'vaccine' cause the conversion of proteins into deformed Creutzfeldt-Jakob style plaques and the victim's brains slowly fuse into a non-functional mass.  At least it is a possibility that I don't rule out.

[o_e_l_e_o]

I mean, the simple answer is probably that your uncle had a cough or a raised temperature at some point in the last two weeks, but tvbcof jumps straight to zombie apocalypse.

[Mauser]

I’m trying to make sense of this real life experience of mine..

Grandmother just had a surgery, she is staying in the hospital for about a week..

My mother and uncle both try to visit her..

Mother, not vaccinated, they let her visit my grandmother..

Uncle, vaccinated, but vaccinated less than 2 weeks ago, they will not let him into the hospital at all, not even the waiting rooms, where my unvaccinated mother is allowed to be in the hospital all over the place..


Now why is it that they are more strictly refusing entry to recently vaccinated people than to completely unvaccinated people?
I can hardly believe this is true, but it is..

Wtf?

I don't know exactly why this is the case in your country, but I read that straight after vaccination that you don't have any immunity yet, it takes 1-2 weeks to build up after the vaccination. On top of that is the immune system much weaker directly after the vaccination. In the end they just want to protect your grandmother. I also find it a bit strange that they make a difference between your mother and your uncle, it should be equal for both of them. Did you mother had to take a covid test before entering the hospital?

[semobo]

Vaccine means inactive virus will be injected into the body so our immune system will identify them and fight against the covid virus next time if it enters into our body, but all the vacicnes are less efficacy and many vaccines are not even approved by the country where we are living that is why the issue I guess.

[suchmoon]

For my part I'm keeping my distance from people who I know to have participated in this gene therapy.  When there are a lot of them around in a few weeks I will voluntarily stay at home and away from public places.  I do that anyway to a degree because it is humiliating to wear a mask.  Mask-wearers are already not welcome at my properties, and vaccinated won't be either I'm sad to say.  I just cannot take the chance when my family's health is at stake.

Great, I think a self-imposed lockdown is the right solution for you. How are you going to detect vaccinated infiltrators if they try to breach the perimeter pretending to be unvaccinated?

I drove through a parking structure at one of the malls a few weeks ago and it was pretty gassy.

I would suggest less beans in your diet.

[tvbcof]

For my part I'm keeping my distance from people who I know to have participated in this gene therapy.  When there are a lot of them around in a few weeks I will voluntarily stay at home and away from public places.  I do that anyway to a degree because it is humiliating to wear a mask.  Mask-wearers are already not welcome at my properties, and vaccinated won't be either I'm sad to say.  I just cannot take the chance when my family's health is at stake.

Great, I think a self-imposed lockdown is the right solution for you. How are you going to detect vaccinated infiltrators if they try to breach the perimeter pretending to be unvaccinated?

Vaccine Passport scanner and a simple logic circuit known as an 'inverter' wired to the output.

I drove through a parking structure at one of the malls a few weeks ago and it was pretty gassy.

I would suggest less beans in your diet.

Wow, good one dude!  You so funny.  You make me laugh long time.

[eddie13]

Vaccine means inactive virus will be injected into the body so our immune system will identify them and fight against the covid virus next time if it enters into our body, but all the vacicnes are less efficacy and many vaccines are not even approved by the country where we are living that is why the issue I guess.

Yeas that is what “vaccine” means.. Butt..
Most of these “jabs” aren’t even really “vaccines” by definition..


I heard no story of them asking or him or him telling if he had a cough or fever recently..
No such conversation that I am aware of..

[Gyfts]

What I never understood about Covid guidelines was that if you are in a business, like a restaurant, you are required to wear your mask. But then you take your mask off while eating. You got a pub or a bar and you wear a mask, yet you take the mask off to sip a drink. What's the point?

Might be a similar situation. It's not like any of these guidelines are based in science, they're based in terms of liability. The immunity peaks a bit after 2 weeks following the second dose of the shot, so technically you aren't "fully" protected until post 2 weeks. Hospital probably saw your uncle as a risk, but that doesn't really explain why they let your mother in. Did they know she wasn't vaxed?

[ranochigo]

What I never understood about Covid guidelines was that if you are in a business, like a restaurant, you are required to wear your mask. But then you take your mask off while eating. You got a pub or a bar and you wear a mask, yet you take the mask off to sip a drink. What's the point?

A compromise. No one wants to shut down a country for an extended period of time, or when the pandemic ends. If your region is facing some really bad infection rates and hasn't reached herd immunity, then shutting them down is a no-brainer.

@eddie13, no one will know the reason why. In practice, a vaccinated individual poses far less risks than a non-vaccinated one. Interesting to note that though you are fully vaccinated, there still runs a risk of you contracting Covid, albeit probably asymptomatic. I suggest for you to clarify with your hospital about this, there are loads different factors involved and it would be far better for you to get some clarifications from the hospital than from the community here. You're just going to get people trying to spread unscientific misinformation or speculating around here.

[Cnut237]

Mother, not vaccinated, they let her visit my grandmother..
Uncle, vaccinated, but vaccinated less than 2 weeks ago, they will not let him into the hospital at all

I mean, the simple answer is probably that your uncle had a cough or a raised temperature at some point in the last two weeks

I heard no story of them asking or him or him telling if he had a cough or fever recently..
No such conversation that I am aware of..

If it wasn't because of a recent cough, then perhaps they are simply easing restrictions somewhat by allowing one visitor per patient? In which case your mother is allowed as first visitor, your uncle isn't because they don't allow a second visitor.
But it's difficult to determine the reason without knowing the rules that that specific hospital has in place. The answer really is to phone the hospital and ask.

jumps straight to zombie apocalypse.

If popular culture has taught me anything, it's that it's more of a shuffle.

[franky1]

What I never understood about Covid guidelines was that if you are in a business, like a restaurant, you are required to wear your mask. But then you take your mask off while eating. You got a pub or a bar and you wear a mask, yet you take the mask off to sip a drink. What's the point?

simple logic..

when entering and walking around you are spreading your breath walking around a public space.... so masks are needed
when sat at a table your breath is more confined to one area and you are social distancing strangers by them not being at your table..  and the only people at your table are in your own social group. then masks are less needed

does it really require you to ask such basic common sense questions on a forum about bitcoin

come on.. atleast spend 5 minutes thinking about a common sense answer before posting your question.
it might surprise you that deep down if you took the time you might actually have worked out the answer for yourself.

try it next time

Mother, not vaccinated, they let her visit my grandmother..
Uncle, vaccinated, but vaccinated less than 2 weeks ago, they will not let him into the hospital at all

I mean, the simple answer is probably that your uncle had a cough or a raised temperature at some point in the last two weeks

I heard no story of them asking or him or him telling if he had a cough or fever recently..
No such conversation that I am aware of..

If it wasn't because of a recent cough, then perhaps they are simply easing restrictions somewhat by allowing one visitor per patient? In which case your mother is allowed as first visitor, your uncle isn't because they don't allow a second visitor.
But it's difficult to determine the reason without knowing the rules that that specific hospital has in place. The answer really is to phone the hospital and ask.

jumps straight to zombie apocalypse.

If popular culture has taught me anything, it's that it's more of a shuffle.

all valid points. apart from one
its more like knuckle dragging along with their feet behind them
many signs that those types of people drag their feet when it comes to many things

1990 'wont use a cell phone because radiowaves'
(later they use it)
2000 'wont use internet because spies'
(later they use it)
2010 'wont use social media because my public messages are public'
(later they use it)
2020 'wont take vaccine because needles and conspiracies'
(later they use it)
2030 'wont use EV cars because china'

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[Quickseller]

I mean, the simple answer is probably that your uncle had a cough or a raised temperature at some point in the last two weeks, but tvbcof jumps straight to zombie apocalypse.

Another reason might be that Eddie’s uncle recently had exposure to someone infected with Covid, or Covid symptoms.

Both should be considered “unvaccinated” although the uncle will have some protection while he is waiting two weeks after his second shot.

[franky1]

I mean, the simple answer is probably that your uncle had a cough or a raised temperature at some point in the last two weeks, but tvbcof jumps straight to zombie apocalypse.

Another reason might be that Eddie’s uncle recently had exposure to someone infected with Covid, or Covid symptoms.

Both should be considered “unvaccinated” although the uncle will have some protection while he is waiting two weeks after his second shot.

its the same empty drama of
someone in hospital but they have protocols.
only one unsymptomatic visitor allowed in..

2 black woman turn up. thinking they should both be allowed in for whatever reason.
they are told they are both not allowed in.. and ofcourse they pull he race card.. thinking its some anti-black agenda.

um no.
single person. no symptoms is the policy.
being black or white or vaccinated or not does not change or workaround or loop hole the policy

[eddie13]

I just got clarification..

Their was NO cough, fever, or exposure to anyone else with Covid, and they ARE allowing multiple visitors, as others have been let in too..

The refusal was based SOLEY on him having been vaccinated less than 2 weeks ago..

So.. Nice assumptions, but none were the case at all..

They are not letting recently vaccinated people into hospitals, while they are letting unvaccinated people in..

[franky1]

i think eddie is just making up BS now.

i had to remind myself by checking his post history if he has ever stayed factual or just made silly conspiracy theories. and there it was clear as day he is a conspiracy theorist
soo many false posts by him that its now obvious he will make things up to be controversial

i bet he wont even dare link his hospitals website that says what he pretends their policy is

[Gyfts]

when entering and walking around you are spreading your breath walking around a public space.... so masks are needed
when sat at a table your breath is more confined to one area and you are social distancing strangers by them not being at your table..  and the only people at your table are in your own social group. then masks are less needed

This is pseudo science bullshit. That's not what the science says. CDC says 15 minutes of contact "in totality" with an infected person within 6 feet is enough to put you in a high risk category for Covid.

This means when you're walking around, the chance of you spreading Covid is almost nonexistent. You don't have enough contact just walking by people to form a viral load enough to the point someone will get infected. If you are sitting down at a table, you would need a mask because you are in close contact with other people for more than 15 minutes. And by the way, the evidence that masks even work in slowing down the spread is so small because people don't even know how to use a mask properly, they reuse them, touch their mask over and over again, wear it below the nose, wear cheap masks that don't make a proper face seal, all the rest. You will struggle to find a single study that isolates masks as slowing down Covid spread within a general population. Seriously. Try to find one. Most all studies are down in laboratory settings where they use masks to capture respiratory droplets which ignore a lot of the factors I just mentioned. And it turns out, Covid spread is *not* happening because people go into crowds and spit/sneeze every where, it's a slow viral load buildup from close contact sustained over some period of time -- not just walking by someone at a pub without a mask on.

[eddie13]

i think eddie is just making up BS now.

i had to remind myself by checking his post history if he has ever stayed factual or just made silly conspiracy theories. and there it was clear as day he is a conspiracy theorist
soo many false posts by him that its now obvious he will make things up to be controversial

i bet he wont even dare link his hospitals website that says what he pretends their policy is

It’s not MY hospital and I’m nowhere near there.. Butt...
Yeah no.. I’m not comfortable posting the location of my family..
You can think whatever you want..

Could you please show me any examples of a post in which I lied or made anything up? Please?
Find one lie or made up story I have ever made.. Do it.. Show me.. Show everyone..
I say your full of shit..
Prove it..


Conspiracy theorist?
IDK.. I just don’t believe anything.. Lessly so anything mainstream..

Me just make story shit up?
Prove it or shut the fuck up..

[DireWolfM14]

Now why is it that they are more strictly refusing entry to recently vaccinated people than to completely unvaccinated people?

CYA.  Their doing the safe thing, and I don't blame them.  The vaccine is new, and all of it's ramifications are unknown.  It's highly unlikely that a person who was recently vaccinated for any disease could cause harm to others.  However, when someone is recovering from surgery they're more susceptible to infections.  It makes sense to take precautions.  They would probably do the same if you're uncle had recently been vaccinated for measles.

 

[semobo]

They are not letting recently vaccinated people into hospitals, while they are letting unvaccinated people in..

I found some articles which suggest the people to go under 2 weeks or 10 days quarantine even if they took the two doses or completely vaccinated but only if they are previously exposed to covid 19.