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Is 75% discount in presale of a project way too high? What do you think will happen to such project giving away too high discount for a presale? Will this cos huge dump or you've seen projects that survives after such massive discount

UPDATE

I meant 75% not $, that was a mistake and thanks for understanding

Most of the time, but still it's important to know more about the project's team as they will tell the reputation of the project as a whole. They are raising funds, giving a huge discount for early investors, but it's too risky at the same time so you deserve the reward if they succeed.

But like what I'm saying, most of the time it will dump when it's listed in the exchange, so DYOR, and good luck.

I guess this isn't 75$ as in dollar but I guess it'll 75%, am I right? If it's the latter, usually presale comes with a discount but I think that discount was way to high for a presale, I guess the private sale would be more discount than this. There's a red flag over this discount better to be more extra cautious and always DYOR for every project. Check the team background, the documentations of the project, and much more.

The discount isn't what is important to look at, what's most important is what the project is all about and what they want offer and how important is what they are offering to the society, what problem are they trying to solve and will many people be interested in this project when it launches fully? This and more are the questions you should ask yourself before even investing a dime in the project, at whatever price they choose to sell their token during their presale is their choice and this does not stop the project from succeeding if it's a good project, Infact selling at a very cheap price during presale is actually very good as this helps them to reach many more investors both low end investors and high end investors.

Higt discounts for pre-sale or private-sale investors are reasonable, as they are the first backers and carry a greater risk. The most important thing is how the project itself and how about the project team.
High discounts are not a problem if the tokens are distributed in stages or with a token lock period, so it doesn't really affect the token price on the market.

I can't really about this one you are planning to invest in but trust me, any project that's too good with an immense potential profit, you should run away from such projects except they have a strategy to lock up your bonuses for several months or years.
Sometimes, this projects offers this market selling strategy to lure investors into buying their shitcoins and once you loose guard, that's all for you mate. Your money would disappear and vanish. ;D

It doesn't matter to them how much discount they're going to put, they just want to successfully put everything into sale for their token.
A dump is always expected whenever a presale has been successful and it's already on exchanges.

If you are buying 10k to 20k usd then this is literally nothing of a kind of bonus. Those projects that have huge bonus or discount should have a good strategy, cause these bonuses could somehow affect the market discovery of their token and most investor will resort to dump since they got higher amount of tokens.

Actually Ive never remember such one that has huge discount and still be alive now. Maybe some could share, would like also to know it.

It's not how many discounts offered at the pre sale that decides whether the coin gonna grow or not, it's the project itself, even if a project give 90% discount at pre sale because it's being held long before the normal sale was held it's still okay and not gonna be a problem in the future, most of presale buyers are long term holder, but of course i'm talking mostly about a good projects that are responsible. If the project itself is really good, no need to overthink about such discount in presale, instead if you want to be sure, try to take a look into the project tokenomic to analyze yourself.

It doesn't matter if they are giving a high discount in the pre-sales. Because for me my basis is the team and developer owner must
be transparent and their development must always be done most of the time. Though I am not saying all project doing this is not fulfilling
their plans of course that's not what I mean.

As far as I know, pre-sale offer this kind of discounts to attract early big investors who are willing to take a huge risk and invest huge amount of money in their project. So yes, this is possible even if it is way too high for some of us.

Of course, once it is listed, those early investor are going to make money out of their investments. So logically once the project is on an exchange, expect a huge dump on the market.

In order to survived, the project should really be solid not just in whitepapers, but it has legitimate use case in a specific industry.

This is too high discount, and its will effect the price after tradeable on the exchange. I think the normal discount for presale is not higher than 30%. They offer high discount, could be to competete with others project that on presale too.

If the project already hyped by the community and the team will give a very small discount and that means if the project didn't get the hype and the big discount already created to attract the demand.
These days people didn't even need the discount but they prefer to get the quality project rather than a garbage project that offers big discount on its token sale.
I personally will try to avoid any project that was offering non sense discount system like this. It's way too high but it's also caused by there's no demand to buy the token.

Recent I have see lots of project fast time offer after getting capital of investors they stop all of telegram group this is very bad experience of ordinary investors.i will say just before investment any project at fast we have to see project team original or fack then we have to take a decision.

$75 or 75%? Because we don't know if the real price of the coins is $10000 and the discount is $75 I don't think that's a high but if it's 75% then it's really high. We are still not sure if this would lead to huge dump but the possibility is high of course it was a quick profit if that's gonna happen while the advantage of that is the project will be able to have money to improve more their project which could lead to price pump.

Whichever it is. It's still a big discount. Just think about it when the market price actually is $100. Those who bought as early investors will dump what they got for the very big profit from it. They wouldn;t even have to buy back these tokens no matter how successful the project is after all they have the BTC profit already.

It will take months to years before the market will bounce. But we don't know yet about this project though.

If that is true, maybe that is a big discount for the new project.
I wonder what project gives that discount to their investor because I think many new projects give their discount to their early investor.
There are only two possibilities that will happen to that project: the project can survive in the market or the project will lose its chance to increase but the truth is we do not know.
The new project can get dump so hard after it is released on the market, so if you invest in that project, make sure you can sell your coin/token at the right time to make a profit.

It can be possible that there will be big dump in price or maybe they will run away. Check their project details. Read there Roadmap, Whitepaper and other details. I hope you will find your answer.

if $75 bonus from per $100 then It’s very high discount. Some projects offer such discounts to reach their goals. But most of the scammers arrange discount like this in order to scam. They try to fool investors by showing greed.

Sometimes high discount presale also means those tokens will be lock for a certain period of time, not all project will give this high discount and release them at once just to avoid an outright dump from the presale buyers, given discount is to attract more buyers but sometimes this can be a disadvantage to the project if the team don't have a strategic plan to release the discount.

Each project is different from each other. The early stage of investing involves high risks so it is not surprising to see a good discount.
It should be understood that in 8 out of 10 such investments you may not return your investments back.

This depends entirely on project and it’s marketing strategy. If they have thought this discount through then either their returns are high, they already have break even strategy or may be they know the project will that much success. It is completely fine if the discount is high and that does not state the success of project but puts you in thinking why would they give such high discounts.
If above reasons aren’t concluded by the management team then surely I would think twice about the strategy and then only invest.

A 75 percent discount when pre-selling tokens of a new project to investors means that the team is not sure about the future demand for their token and thus is trying to stimulate investors. At the same time, investors, having bought tokens at a quarter of the price that will be set initially on the exchange, if there is no clear confidence in the potential of this token for growth, will strive to sell it immediately, until this token has dropped in price. Therefore, I do not trust the project and the team that offer such a large discount. Whatever arguments are put forward here, however, the starting possibility of such a token in terms of its price will be much lower than projects where there will not be such a large pre-sale discount.

More discounts on the presale will leads to dump on the market price when it gets listed on an exchange where there is enough liquidity but you need to know another fact that most of those projects completed their presale with lucrative discounts never reached the exchange and investors are keep holding those tokens forever because even if they want to trash into an unknown address they have to use ethereum or other coins for the transaction fee.

I myself don't really like the presale of a new project. although it was done by IEO on a big exchange like binance.
Major sales will get more enthusiasm from the market when their presale is successful. even though the discount obtained is not as big as the presale, it can get better confidence from the community who joins their sale.

Presale will always provide more benefits such more bonus or the price is cheaper than it should, but for 75% it is quite suspicious to me. and it looks like you are talking about ICO tokens here. better do some research before buying.

That's right, a bonus of that size for the presale will have a bad impact on the token price when the trade is opened.
how is the responsibility of the team towards their token holders when the bonus is given that big? they won't be able to control the big dump happening.
I'm sure it's just a team strategy to get money. and their project may not run.

75% off in pre-sale is too big and it's more like the project is looking for a way to get investors' money. I would consider going into a project like this if it didn't live up to my standards. In 2017 ICO projects sprouted up quickly and the price drop was quite attractive. Now ICOs are no longer relevant because people no longer like them. Being able to put at 50% off is reasonable for the pre-sale, 75% seems a bit too much.

This is an old trick by the scam project. If they were offering non sense rate for the pre-sale discount and such token will have no value for sure. There will be no a high discount on the pre-sale when the project already got big demand from the market. Big discount = a way to attract the investors.
that means the creator didn't even wanna call its own token to be a valuable token.
I will always try to avoid any new ico that was offering non sense discount


75% discount can be catagorized as a scam. Why don't the creator make it becomes 100% discount

This is a scam token and i hope OP was watching this.

I have always been against such huge discounts as this encourages dumping for those that bought that early, after all why bother holding a coin when you can sell it as soon as you can and possibility obtain 3x in the process?

Also it is very suspicious, after all a small discount could be acceptable, something like 10%, but 75% is simply too much and it gives the impression the developers want to sell their coins no matter what and this could be simply because they are scammers trying to get away with your valuable coins while you are forced to be a bagholder of a coin that will never have any value.

You are being far too vague. A $75 discount on what? $100 worth of tokens or currency? That'd be a 75% discount and highly suspicious on how much the actual cryptocurrency will end up being worth in the market. However if it is a $75 discount on $7,500 worth of cryptocurrency (which you should never be buying on an unproven project) then that would be a mere 1% discount to the price and probably not even worth consideration. It is all about context and discounts should really be irrelevant if you believe in the long term purpose of what you're actually investing in. Consider them a pleasant bonus but meaningless to the potential profit you see - they will only ever exist if you're able to cash them out.

Absolutely true, those early investors took a risk and invest into the dream of the project,  they were brave enough to trust the project and put money even at infancy stage,  so it is very likely that they will be compensated for their contribution because without their money the project won't kick off at all, between in some cases some presale buyers usually have a lock period, I have seen it done several times.

What do you mean by this? 75% or 75$. If the latter, it depends on how much the token is but if the former, then it is quite high to be honest. I smell some pump and dump coins in here because it surely gonna attract a lot of investor to buy it for real.
In the end, it would still depend on the project though.

That's right. When looking at the tokenomics of a project even if the initial price looks good it's important to compare that to the vesting period and the release schedule.

I'm saying this as you could imaging a price of 0.01 but you'll be getting your tokens after 2 years. Obviously the decision on that depends on the type of project it is team, investors etc but it's an example to illustrate the point above.

As a rule, the coins of investors who purchase coins at an early stage are locked for at least 1 year, and the maximum, from what I have seen, is 3 years. Therefore, coins purchased at an early stage do not affect the price for a long time. And the 75% discount is not so great compared to the price of the public sale, after which the price increased several times.

Which project you are talking about, for a very long time i did not invest in any project because it is obvious that the market price would come down once the coins reaches the exchange and even if i want to invest in them to stake or any other objective i have i will always wait for the coins to be listed in open in exchanges or in DEX rather than going after pre sale.

Exactly. Everyone who has been around during the ICO craze knows that 990 out of 1000 projects use these special early investor discounts to dump massively on investors who joined during later rounds. Also possible that they buy those coins themselves and then say there is the wallet from presale investors but in fact they sent their own money there to mislead others.

Presale discount doesn't really matter too much because when it first starts it starts at not discounted price but drops to under discounted price level very quickly. So let's say you will start at 100 dollars right? You handle everything according to that and what you end up doing is giving it away for 50$ during presale, and even 30$ for the first 10k dollars bought, and rest just 50 like I said.

When the project actually starts, when it is listed for the first time ever, the only way is down, the price will go down under 50 bucks without a doubt, maybe the first few hours could be different but it will always be there in the end. So it doesn't matter if there is a discount or not, there is really no benefit for the investor at all, so why do projects still do it? Because it is better to do it then not do it at all and that is the type of marketing you need when you are the project owner.

$75k? From what minimum purchase is it? What is the price of the coin or token?
High or not, it will depend on the minimum purchase, price, and also how good the projects are. And if we are only buying about $50, can it be getting the amount? I think that every presale or even token sale sometimes will give discounts and the discounts will be in the percentage. Moreover, there will be also differences in the prices during the pre-sale and another token sale. that is why we cannot consider whether it is too high or not because we don't really know the criteria and condition of the presale itself.

Most common thing to un unknown projects, will definitely caused huge dumps after the launch. We don't know exactly what will happen next but really a failure of expectations. Investors would tend to worry in the long run, specially when there's no strong support coming from a project community. Survival depends on the holders who remain constant on their asset and not only having mindset of getting physical cash all the time.

the team should lock the supply if they don't want those investors dumping their share once they hit in the market. this is the usual prob if they offered such huge discount. if they don't have any restrictions, they can easily dump it as long as they have profits. this is the reason why some projects lock certain portion of the supply and there is only time period where they unlock those coins or tokens.
not many projects can survive after the dump especially if the project has no real intentions of surviving long term.

Nowadays most of IDO, IEO and ICO are locking the token for their early investor, tbh it's not really a problem anymore nowadays, if people willing to spend some time and read the tokenomic they could figure out which project actually aren't a game of who comes early.
ICO back few years ago was such unrefined method of fundraising, now it's getting more better and better in guaranteeing the safety of investor from such thing.

I don't fully agree to be honest. You can never know how exactly the processes are behind the scenes. There are all these budgets for marketing, legal, advisors, bla bla bla. If it is all locked up in smart contracts and the team is transparent about every expense you might be right, but that is never the case.

High discount could mean nothing, discount is a way of appealing to wider investors circle.  The important issue here is  the question of how  serious the project is! Does the project need money, and if it does will the money raised be used for development and growth of the project and Cryptocurrency at large!

I think $75 is a small discount, I've been in the ICO and they give a discount of about 60% of the price to anyone who participates in the pre-sale when invest minimum $500, so I can get a $300 discount, and I'm happy that the coins I bought I still hold until now .

You shouldn't look after the presale discount but rather the potential and legitimacy of a project. You better check the team behind and check their reputation. Some scam projects these days are offering discounts just to attract investors so you better be careful of this kind of offer.

don't tempted with any high discount in presale, its doesnt guarantee we will gain profits when it listed in market. no matter this discount above 50% ,we must concern to the project quality and the token utility that will developted by team.  Many project give huge discount only to attract beginner which is still have no skill or experience participating in presale. 

Looks like a red flag for me since I haven't heard of a legit project who offers up to that low. that's insane if you compared it to other presales where they are really asking for a decent amount of money from their investors. You need to be careful when investing in such kind of project since they are prone to pump and dump later on. if you have the means to lose that money, then you can always try it on. As I said, you are taking a maximum risk but if that project works out, then you are one of the lucky guys who will earn some massive amount of income from that small capital.

It's presale and they want to lure and attract early birds so the sales can take off, it's not really the discount but the potential of the wallet that really matters I have invested in a project with a very high presale discount they get in the market set up their platform but like all the projects in the bear market they cannot keep up, but I made a good profit from that project coming from presales.

It could be that the project only attracts investors to buy at the time of the presale but will experience an increase in purchases when the presale is over. Maybe this is a marketing way to attract people. but that's just my passing thought.

Giving too high discount price during presale can make you wonder if its worth it to invest or scam. This strategy is common for the new project that wants to scam the investors and then run away the funds they invested so be careful with this kind of project better to have your own research before investing.

In addition, investors who buy coins during the public sale period have a slight advantage over early investors. It consists in the fact that by the time of the TGE they have the opportunity to sell all their coins during the listing, while those who bought coins during the private round will have a small part of the coins unlocked.

It needs money but when the developer gave a non sense discount and that means if the tokens totally useless. Did you see the hisdory of the ico that gave big discount to the its token price?
There have been lots of people getting scammed caused by those tokens became worthless token. The sellers just wanna to get instant money.
it's not only about the project development needs money

That's really awesome, and if I may ask, what coin is it? because such a big discount is a very rare thing in ICO pre-sales and usually if the discount is too big it will have an effect on prices that will be too cheap when traded.

The pre-sale discount was best in 2017 when there were ICO ruling the market and tokens were offered at discount to fundraise huge funds from the investors in order to subscribe their total goal say $30 million or so.But the main fact was that as soon as the coin was listed on the exchange the investors start dumping the coin at listed price as they already have bought at 75-80% discount and profit gain was high for them.Same is the case with 80-90% of major projects or altcoins in the market at this time also so for my personal opinion if you want to invest sell timely.But the projects with sound team and project development will serve some utility and you can hodl them otherwise stay away.I have some worse experience with them in the past and suffered loss.

In order to get such a big discount, you need to invest on a private or Seed round. But the problem is that your investment should usually be from 50 thousand dollars or more. This condition does not allow many to invest at an early stage of the sale, and they are forced to buy the coin on the public round, where the price of the coin can be higher by 300-1000% of the price of the private round.

I have never invested in a pre-sale that has a big discount, because the price will definitely drop very far and when you sell it late, then of course you will experience a loss, so my advice is you better buy it when the coin has entered on exchange, because it is safer for you and of course you can see whether the project has good potential or not in the future (by looking at the progress of the project).

Every project have their own unique way to attract investors, maybe there are too many unique ways so the project's owners are out of mind already and doing this  ;D
The discount is too high just like a new year clothes sale for spend yearly stock, so i think this kind of token is not confident with their quality of their project they attract investors with cheap prices. IMO.

The big discount given to the pre-sale participants is a strategy that will actually be a killer tool for their own project.
if the project is lucky to get investors and can be listed on the exchange it will be a bad thing when open trading starts. when you don't have a strong market, prices can fall very quickly and investor confidence will be lost.
Pre-sale participants deserve to get bigger bonuses or lower prices than their main sale. but the calculation of the bonus given must also be reasonable and can also be a support for their project.

depending on what they are planning. if the supply for presale is not so much, then it might be okay. however, sometimes some projects give their investors a lot of bonuses at the beginning of the sale, and this causes the project to die by itself because too many bonuses are sold at the opening of the market. Yeah, I've seen that a lot. however, the $75 discount is a lot or not, depending on the price of the coin. however, I think it's a big discount.

a reasonable bonus will indicate that the project is sound. but I think by giving a big bonus during the presale, it will be dangerous for investors, in the worst case our money will not come back again, because it was taken away by the dev. Therefore, we must be careful in analyzing

I think it's too high a discount, maybe even some people actually think it's a project that will just scam in the end. Usually serious projects only give the biggest discount I've come across is 40% and they're successful. It's not wrong if the token sale has a discotheque, but too high a discount makes people doubt.

There is nothing more surprising to me in crypto space anymore, I've seen few projects using high discount price to lure investors and they will maintain good value once trading starts but majority of projects introducing high discounts always end up in blood bath, it all depends on the project actual use case and the team in charge but for safety purpose low discount is better

Agreed. If i am going to attend a project presale, i will definitely take my time to find out everything i can know about the project, because that is my money and i don't want to lose it even a penny. On the other hand, to the project side, the 75% discount and tokens are just numbers, whether it's 85%, 75%, 65% discount it's the same, it only makes sense only if the token transfer to money.

Yes, but getting investors at the beginning is also very difficult for some projects because investors also conduct thorough research even though the project has applied a large discount on the initial sale.

it will be difficult if their project is not advertised well because investors wont see it and the huge discount they offer will become useless .
 large discount is suspicious if you are a wise investor but there are many investors that get scammed  because they hastly invest on a new project  .
 it would be a plus point for them if they can get the coins in a cheaper price

most such projects will fail, as their main goal is to sell as many tokens as possible. without thinking about the future development of the project you should avoid buying coins like that.
and better wait for the right one.

Just do your research. It is possible to earn money even on scam coins, but obviously very very risky.

Way too high of a discount if they were ever serious about the token going mainstream.

Just think about it. Would a quality company that is IPO'ing sell their shares at a 75% discount? Would they even sell at a 10% discount if they know that they will get oversubscribed at the IPO price in the first place?

Probably not, right? Same logic applies to tokens and especially ICOs.

The right choice for research in advance about what you will invest later. You will be satisfied to find out about what will happen in the future because if you think about good things maybe something will come up that becomes a big question mark for you.

This is a good example here. Good companies and especially those that know themselves they are good won't sell their shares at huge discounts. It is still the story about anonymous seed investors who got special prices because they take on all the risk. In the end it is the team themselves dumping on anyone else who bought at the higher public sale prices and are stuck.

Stop buying those shit coins and tokens they are completely useless that is why the creator even selling itself for the half of its mentioned price or even lesser, do you think that they will develop their project later and bring the progress on its price and utility?

For now it's better to stay away from any coin that has a big risk, because in a market condition that is being corrected very deeply, the potential for loss is greater than profit, so it is worth leaving the unlucky coin to stay safe from losses.

Such a huge discount is already a red flag for me. But this doesn't mean it will stop me from looking into the use case of the project itself, the people on the developing team behind the project and the community it has currently. Another thing would be how the people of the developing team manage its community and how timely and transparent they are towards everything happening. If most of those are greatly fulfilled, then I do not see why such a discount would be a problem. Rather, it would be a huge plus for the project itself and would make me invest on it gladly.

Until the bitcoin price starts its bull run, refrain from investing in new projects. Yesterday, the TGE of the PolyPad project was held, and as a result, investors who bought coins at an early stage with a discount received -50% of the purchase price. Accordingly, those who bought coins on the public round received an even greater loss.

That proves that high discount during presale does not guarantee a profit to the early investors, if they succeed, they'll get more reward, if the project failed they'll take bigger loses, that's just normal in the game, it's a high-risk, high-reward kind of game.

high discount as such is way too high looking at the trend of things. it will definitely have effect on the price performance of the token. one way to lower the effect is to cap the contribution amount per individual but giving a high discount as this will mean capping will be difficult because its all for the money.

75% discount to buy on presale ?
I think it's clearly just a sales strategy, they will make profit from all sale, in the presale to onsale. It is their responsibility for the company, to provide profit all time, also they owe the profit to investors.

by looking at the number of bonuses given on the pre-sale it was clear that it didn't make sense for the future of a project.
What is certain is that the sale will be owned by the internal team only. and they will announce that the sale was a success. it is to attract investors on the next sale.
that way when they are on the market, very quickly the price will be crushed. they can earn multiple times when they earn money from their pre-sale and main sale. then they release their tokens quickly when trading opens.
I would strongly believe it's best to avoid such projects.

Not advisable to invest in a project that gives up to 70% because there is a big chance that the project will fail later on, many project did this year's ago and their tokens dump in just few weeks, sometimes to keep a token value the price at ICO or IEO must be norm.

Discounts that are too big can backfire on the project itself. however, I've seen enough projects that the price dump is very hard, and it's difficult to move up because it gives too big a discount. Besides that, for presale, maybe 75% is really big, but I think there needs to be a limit for that so that when the project is running, the price doesn't dump so hard.

I think if a project gives a discount it has been planned by the team and they have thought it through carefully. where during the presale they try to attract investors to join the project by giving discounts like that. If the team that handles it is professional and mature, of course they have thought about it carefully and made this an event to attract investors so that the project is successful. so for investors it is very important to join a project that does have a good team and good prospects in the future.

We must analytic firstt, details of the project is the most important thing, when ICO many projects offer huge discounts up to 100% or more, it is difficult to guess whether the project is real or a scam because I ever invest about $150 and got 125% discount and it was proven not to be a scam.

But we also have to research whether the nominal discount offered is reasonable or not, because sometimes we are too lustful and tempted by the big discounts offered, rather than we suffer losses due to our own negligence, it would be better if we examine first whether the discount offered is reasonable or not.

it is part of a marketing strategy. a new project must have difficulty attracting market interest that is why there is a discount for early adopters, it is a form of gratitude for choosing and believing in the project.
Discounts in coin or token sales are common, if the project is of high quality it will be very easy to achieve success and bring a lot of profit to investors. Of course this is very dependent on market trends.

I met projects that gave such a discount. The main thing is that the project is really useful for users. For example, there is such a Finxflo project, it sold its tokens at a low price at an early stage and when it went public it cost much more than 75% than the initial price. And my friend made great money investing in this platform. This is just one example. With the right investment, that is, in-depth analysis, you can make good money.

huge discount didnt guarantee we will earn profits after listing, if investors dumped their discount in market and make another holder panic , suffering loss will be easy for us. Just look at Merlin Labs case, they offer high APY for staking, and now unfortunately ceasing operation or we call it rugpull. Any offering with huge discount should compare again with its quality, is it have good product or usecase that will be usefull in crypto market or not.

this is developers team strategy to attract investors in their token sale. with huge discount, investors will bigger opportunity to earn profits after traded in market. It will need special amount USD to get special discount , usually dev team also make maximal allocation for each investors or we called it max cap for each person to avoid whales speculation.

Of course that's too high because when the tokens have started to be traded it will immediately experience a dump unless the distribution is done in stages then the 75% bonus probably won't be a big problem

dev team will have tecnique to prevent token dump with huge discount given to investors. Token vesting for several months could be solution , so investors only have few token that distributed  monthly , and they have no chance to sell token at once. beside of this, dev team could set personal cap to avoid whales that will controll price.

Presale is where most investors earn more money since they get more coins at cheaper price. There are times that there are only limited presale investors to give priority to those who will adapt the project early stage. It can be risky but it is rewarding if you are a presale investor of big projects nowadays.

75% discount on the initial purchase is indeed a hefty percentage and if without careful calculation and planning from the development team it will only cause a dump after distribution, maybe one way that developers can take is to limit the maximum number of sales per person, at least if it is. dump occurs can be slowed down

Yes, Presale is often used to get a low price, and with many new projects emerging, a large discount percentage being one of the strategies in competing to attract investors, the presale will be very useful if at the end of the project the release is a big success.

If I say it's part of a marketing strategy, would you believe it?
In my opinion, every value offered must be studied carefully, lest we be influenced, so that the possibility of risks that we do not want to occur.

Personally I don’t believe in projects that offer a high discount in presale for a big number of investors, as if they sell for many people for a cheap price, who will buy it for a high price after launch? As opposed to this, people will dump the price by selling their tokens.
On the other hand, the discount offered is not the most important indicator. We always should investigate docs and the idea, research tokenomics, as there may be a reason why devs make such a high discount in presale.

If you are to compare it against the stock market, you will find that most investors who have been around for a long time will tell you to avoid new companies that do not have an established track record. That is because most of them will fail over time and you will lose a large part of your investment. You should always be thinking about preserving your initial amount and the best way to do that is not wasting it on failed projects. You're absolutely right that it will cause a dump because new altcoins are usually worthless unoriginal clones. Stick with some altcoins that have been around for a while and you will fair much better.

I don't believe in projects that offers such huge discounts to customers.Most of them end up in a huge dump would rather invest in a project with no discount at all than investing in any project with huge discounts because it is very risky and usually results to loss.

High Discount is not a problem. Many good projects offer up to 100% discount. like AMEPAY, They gave 100% bonus in their private sale. Yet they were able to 8x the price of their tokens. But you have to be careful to invest.  And stay away from scam projects.

huge discount was not effective anymore in project, many investors affraid if by this huge discount price will dumped by whales investors. it is not fair scheme for retail investors which is only have small amount money. Dev team must thinking alternative scheme to attract investors but it could maintain price will tradeable.

These are sometimes still rather ambiguous when we buy at the time of presale because we are like guessing prizes against the project, especially that is a new project. So we can't be sure that the project really can listen on Exchange Top and sell well or not. And the discount is given to attract more attention and investors to buy it.

Yes, the discount is to attract people to buy it because of the low price interest, but in my opinion, don't be tempted, usually the initial price that has been set after being registered in the market doesn't match, usually the price drops from the initial price, what else is a new project so you have to consider again if you want to join  inside

In my opinion, high or not greatly affects the price of the project, massive discounts do not guarantee the project will last long or vice versa, but this method is still applied to various projects or products, even after they give heavy discounts, the project cannot survive or even failed.

I think this is just a kind of trick to find customers, but staying or not customers really depends on the project developed at a later stage, usually this concept spends a large amount of capital first, after that they will make rules to take back what they have spent.

There is no single project that wants to experience big losses, without careful planning to take a gap to find maximum profit, maybe they spend big capital first, after that they will think of ways to take back their capital and big profits for them.

I think if this benefits us, then continue to do it but if it is detrimental we leave them, because in the business and investment world, no one wants to lose and all they think about is seeking maximum profit.

without realizing it, presale is still the main attraction in a project, but don't always fixate on the big discount that is applied because what I emphasize here is how the project works and what kind of team that rides it. Don't make the wrong choice in choosing a project just because the presale discount is high, but see what the future prospects are like.
it could be that the coins that are in high presale will be fraud and the coins will be dust later.
start to learn something in detail before buying, don't just be provoked by the high discount presale price

Is absolutely senseless to have such a discount unless there is a massive risk underlying that discount. This would fit only a project that has little to show and requires money. Kick a stone and you will find a thousand of those. For example, projects that do not yet have a community, a repository an experienced teams with probable success, etc... In those cases, to be honest, the chances of success are so minimal that even a 75% is too little of a discount. For project that make sense, you will not see that level of discount at all.

That's expected as those early investors will dumped their coins after it reached to any available exchange,

no offense but those people/investors take the risk and they deserve to harvest that success as there's not

so many successful project that still exist from this market, most are just after the money then runaway

when they already collect good amount from their investors.

yes it's a very high discount, if I find a discount on presale as much as 75% then I won't be tempted to buy it. I'm afraid the price of the coin will be very cheap if it is already on the exchange and it could be a scam, we have to be careful with projects that give 75% discount at the time of presale.

correct, never trust on them because it's just a way for them to get some attention for some buyers, but despite the truth is there's no chance for the project itself to make progress anymore. That's why they decided to offer a huge discount just to sell the entire token, therefore it's like you buy a shitcoin.. Lol stay away on it and much better to spend with small discounts at least surely you can make good return..

The very big discount aims to attract investors to join, but by selling the discount it is certainly worrying for the development of the project, where rarely projects with good quality give big discounts, of course they will make the coin valuable. therefore we must be careful when we find a discount like this, it could be that later the project is a scam

These discounts are meant to get some hype and get the pre-sale going
and not that it's suppose to turn back after some years and affect the project.

Btw these discounts are structured in such a way that after so many coins have been sold, the price jumps to the next phase until the coins are sold at full value. But should a project not have a pricing structure and sell all at a discount,  you should be worried could be a potential scam.

What else do you think is going to happen when there is a huge "discount" during presale? It means the price of the tokens are going to be really low than the price the original price of the tokens. Most of them that buys during "discount" are the ones that sell as soon as they can to get as much profit they can before the project dies.
Stop thinking about or investing in those projects. It's not worth it at all. Put your money on bitcoin or one of the top well known coins!

In general, it all depends on how many coins are offered at such a discount, if their chilso is not limited,
then it is obvious that this is a rather dubious factor, because then most of the investors will simply buy all the coins at a cheap price, which will ultimately have a very negative effect on the price.

If its only some small allocation on the presale, i think its ok. But if its a huge one, it could drag the price down to that discounted price.

dev team will decided in which amount they will set allocation for early investors. They must aware it could have risk token dump if too much allocation provided. But investors have due dilligent too with tokenomic and discount that given by dev team.

The fear you say is normal but if the big discount is only for a few moments just to stimulate, it's a good marketing thing as long as it's not all flattened or even the discount seems too long.


I also strongly agree that a discount that is too big will make investors too suspicious, not investors will be happy. everything goes back to the marketing of the project, you can get around from the discounts that are made, it may be that the total of all discounts given as a whole is not as big as the estimated total, which is too much.

most obvious is that giving excessive discounts will result in the project being a scam or payment not matching the price when buying. so everything must be analyzed properly what has been given because it could have a bad impact on the sustainability of the project.

Yeah, some investors took always get their profits but those hardcore investors do not. They hold until the project got reaped up and that's where they sell. I haven't seen any projects who offers that kind of big discount. I saw 50% but not 75%. It could surely make a temptation for early adopters.

It defend on how strong of the team handling the project. Reviewing is very important to gain profit and earn during the time of sell. If you got the proper review and buy many coin during presale so the celebration is on and got the lambo. Even bounty hunter do that technique to gain income during bounties.

- Low discount will reduce the leakage of too many tokens out, less distribution will increase the value of tokens and there will be no dump systems appearing, even if these systems try to appear, the scale cannot be so large that the project collapses in just the day of listing, therefore, the low discount rate is also a point that helps many projects succeed and can rest on a few listed positions. High discount is more risky due to uneven distribution and too large scope but discount is also a form of advertising, it is also difficult to determine all the success of the project

Big discounts are always a red flag. Have you ever seen some bluechip company, a business with world class people and quality, throwing away shares at big discounts? If a project has a very convincing strategy and product there is no point in playing around with suspicious discounts. That's what projects do that already do have a plan, but the plan is not to make its investors rich! ;)

high discount in presale, it seems bad vibes after the exchange listing, in the listing of exchange presale investors try to sell early then price will crash for a big volume of coins sell orders.

so many projects could not survive for wrong presale strategy in 2017. this high discounts mean teams try to engage more investors in this project

Indeed, at the time of pre-sale, the discount given was very high. Some of us think of the huge profits to be made, but some of us think of the next market after the distribution is done. What worries us is not the discount, but the remaining tokens that are not sold and entered on the exchange as a whole, then the market conditions will dump. I think the team should also be consistent with what they have explained in their whitepaper regarding the remaining unsold tokens.

maximum free sale offer some grate then it take investor money then it can go out of the market so look before you leaf I think own block chine coin is better for invest meant other wise investment can lose your capital.

The teams often argue that pre-sale discounts are justified because investors during that phase carry more risk. While in the real world that is true, in crypto it only means that the risk for investors during the other investment rounds is extremely high that they just get dumped on right after the coin is listed on an exchange.

I'm not a fan of projects that give clients such steep discounts. Most of them end up in a huge dump and would rather invest in a project with no discount at all than a project with a huge discount because it is extremely risky and almost always results in a loss.

i see many projects that give free coin as an airdrop and do well too and they later become a really big project.
it's always depend on the project itself if the project is valuable and could make the world better then big chance it will success even if the presale
is cheap or even free. project like axie infinity or vulcanverse is a good project, other project should take example.

It is completely normal, that the private-sale round has slightly lower prices then the public sale round, that is the benefit the big investors and VC's get for funding the project very early on where there is still a lot of uncertainty if the project can deliver. Of course though a 75% discount compared to the public sale is just way to much in my opinion because that way it is inevitable that massive dump happens as soon as the tokens are tradeable. Usually private sale tokens are not released all at once but according to a vesting schedule but it is not unusual that, like 10% of the private sale is unlocked on day 1 of trading and the rest is unlocked over the next year or so. So i would never participate in a public sale where i know that the private round was 75% cheaper.

Early investors take the high risk investment trusting their money in the hands of those developers.

It's not that much if they'll going to sell immediately after reaching exchange, if the team have the right perceptions and they know
how to expect, there's always chance for the team to move forward and receive the support that they need from the community, if they managed to  bring more investors after listing the very chance that traders and investors will earn a lot.

It's going to have a massive dump if whales are going to buy a huge percentage of the supply, developers are doing this to kickstart the crowdfunding because once investors see that investments are coming up, they will follow it like a domino effect, so it's a good attraction for investors and an opportunity to make a huge profit.

And not all of them are like that, because if we look at the successful and unsuccessful ICO projects, there are still many who are not successful, because making a truly legitimate project is very difficult, moreover the product is not clear, even though the purpose of the concept can be very good.

I think the losses experienced by investors depend on the projects they invest in. If the project only provides a website, then creates their token, of course investors will continue to suffer losses.

Like I know, not all projects are scam but many of this projects with 75% off on pre-sale are scam projects, so many I can't mention.

I joined an airdrop on discord early this year things was going real good till the pre-sale and 24hrs to the pre-sale they reduced the price 20% more making it more cheaper and at the end of the day the admin came out to announce to them that they've really contributed to his life lmao he just took all the money and disappeared thank God I wasn't a victim. Short story all I'll tell you is make research before jumping into pre-sale make sure you go through the project, check the backup team check their potentials else you might fall a victim.

Yes, it is big, maybe the price will fall when first listed on the market, but a good project will definitely think about all these risks, they give big discounts too because all people who buy in the presale are their first investors. I don't think big discount is the reason the price will drop if the project has good value in terms of innovation, utility,community etc. Let's look at a project that has absolutely no presale and actually gives a big airdrop, the price maybe falling down but they can survive, the price rising again. but it all comes back to the project itself, how is the innovation they bring, is there any real usecase? is there anything interesting from the roadmap? or not interesting at all

There are many aspects to assess it, if the team is experienced in the crypto field for me it doesn't matter so that it can attract many investors, but on the other hand if the team is unknown or anonymous in my opinion the project is just a pump and dump for dev benefit, and immediately stay away from it such a project.

There are many aspects to assess it, if the team is experienced in the crypto field for me it doesn't matter so that it can attract many investors, but on the other hand if the team is unknown or anonymous in my opinion the project is just a pump and dump for dev benefit, and immediately stay away from it such a project.

This is the common discount on presale of projects launching there project right now. I'm active on participating on presale and they usually control the price after listing by limiting the maximum buy per user and vesting release of presale tokens. This way even though they have a huge discount, They can't dump there token at once and there's no whale that can manipulate the price of the market.

how professional the development team is but if the bonus given in the presale or private sale is too large it will also have a bad impact on the market at the beginning of the token trade.
The market for new projects usually doesn't get strong right away. and if the bonus given is too large, I believe the market will be very easy to collapse.

well it depends , it does feels too big but i think the best think to consider when investing is the credibility of the team and what kind of project they are doing. So many project are too delusional and dont have a great basic to build a businesses sometimes the make an ICO, fund the money and they just go away telling people they go bankrupt. So i do think fudamental is the best part of investment and you need to know who build it and what kind person that doing it.  I also think giving a discount is unreasonable and its just a trick to attract customer to make some kind of FOMO buying which is not really good.

That's right, the criteria that we must prepare are certainly not only in one or several of them, but we must be observant and analyze well. In addition to experience in crypto, the behavior that has been carried out so far is also very important as a reference because many who have committed fraud certainly do not deserve to be chosen again. remember they are good at manipulating all the rules created by taking from projects that worked well. so keep analyzing well and avoid people like them.

I think this depends on the project.  If the project is hype such that it could be successful in the long run, it is a benefits for several investors who buys their coin on a discounted presale, and this action can pull many investors but the problem is it could make even small problem in the future and may dump the coin value since many would buy volume coin on disconnected presale.

Well, what normally happens on most presales where I participated no matter what the discount during presale is that presalers usually sell when they gain profit. So what usually happens is that after some time price will eventually drop and that's normal. If you have ever bought some coins/tokens during the presale, and then the presalers dump, that's fine, as long as the project is a legitimate one. You can also add some in your bags and be thankful for the discount. Investing especially in projects with long term roadmap and unique utility are always worth holding. So don't stress yourself to much about what will happen a day after the presale. But make sure you are investing on projects with a great team behind by doing research and not just on memecoins that fully relies on hype.

That's a big number but you need to consider that by offering big profits, there are risks that can happen
Of course there are also projects that are successful and the price is many times the presale, that's what investors hope the project can run smoothly and successfully

Discounts are just a marketing strategy to attract investors. You are right that the real and great team behind a project will make it work. Whether it has a small or large discount later when it arrives in the market this will be different. As long as it's legitimate and worth having then 75% is quite interesting of course.

Precisely, it will depend on how the developers will come out, providing usable success,

that kind of discount is very interesting if the concept of the project is for long-term goal, not just a pump and dump asset
that will lead you to lose your money if you failed to sell after the listing.

There are many failures that take place during the hot hypes of ICO's better to learn from that and always be diligent to deal
with your good research.

75% is very high. Usually projects that offer high discount sales have the potential to scam in the beginning. I usually measure it if it's above 50% it's very high. I didn't take any chances. A scam is going to happen. 25% is a good one to follow. ICO sales have a reasonable limit in providing discounts. Because only scammers are willing to give great discounts to buyers.

Even though the pre-sale token discount is very large, it doesn't mean the project is a scam, because usually the pre-sale token will be locked for a fairly long time, and unlocked slowly.

It is possible that such large discounts of 75% are offered at closed presales for large, "angel" investors. But if we consider such conditions on open sales for ordinary mass investors, then such a marketing move would scare me off. Reminiscent of a full, final sale before a store closes. ;)

75% sounds quite too much... even if tokens will be locked for long time, but what is actually good a presale discount? 15 - 25%?