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July 26, 2021, 11:43:29 AM
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Is 75% discount in presale of a project way too high? What do you think will happen to such project giving away too high discount for a presale? Will this cos huge dump or you've seen projects that survives after such massive discount

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I meant 75% not $, that was a mistake and thanks for understanding
maximum free sale offer some grate then it take investor money then it can go out of the market so look before you leaf I think own block chine coin is better for invest meant other wise investment can lose your capital.

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July 26, 2021, 12:15:52 PM
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Is 75% discount in presale of a project way too high? What do you think will happen to such project giving away too high discount for a presale? Will this cos huge dump or you've seen projects that survives after such massive discount

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I meant 75% not $, that was a mistake and thanks for understanding

Indeed, at the time of pre-sale, the discount given was very high. Some of us think of the huge profits to be made, but some of us think of the next market after the distribution is done. What worries us is not the discount, but the remaining tokens that are not sold and entered on the exchange as a whole, then the market conditions will dump. I think the team should also be consistent with what they have explained in their whitepaper regarding the remaining unsold tokens.

The teams often argue that pre-sale discounts are justified because investors during that phase carry more risk. While in the real world that is true, in crypto it only means that the risk for investors during the other investment rounds is extremely high that they just get dumped on right after the coin is listed on an exchange.
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July 28, 2021, 07:59:45 PM
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I'm not a fan of projects that give clients such steep discounts. Most of them end up in a huge dump and would rather invest in a project with no discount at all than a project with a huge discount because it is extremely risky and almost always results in a loss.

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August 05, 2021, 08:56:36 AM
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Its depend on the project and what will bring, i know about many icos that give even 100% discount but in the end their token did a great job on exchanges and vice versa
i see many projects that give free coin as an airdrop and do well too and they later become a really big project.
it's always depend on the project itself if the project is valuable and could make the world better then big chance it will success even if the presale
is cheap or even free. project like axie infinity or vulcanverse is a good project, other project should take example.

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August 05, 2021, 11:40:43 AM
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Is 75% discount in presale of a project way too high? What do you think will happen to such project giving away too high discount for a presale? Will this cos huge dump or you've seen projects that survives after such massive discount

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I meant 75% not $, that was a mistake and thanks for understanding

It is completely normal, that the private-sale round has slightly lower prices then the public sale round, that is the benefit the big investors and VC's get for funding the project very early on where there is still a lot of uncertainty if the project can deliver. Of course though a 75% discount compared to the public sale is just way to much in my opinion because that way it is inevitable that massive dump happens as soon as the tokens are tradeable. Usually private sale tokens are not released all at once but according to a vesting schedule but it is not unusual that, like 10% of the private sale is unlocked on day 1 of trading and the rest is unlocked over the next year or so. So i would never participate in a public sale where i know that the private round was 75% cheaper.
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August 05, 2021, 11:49:22 AM
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too high, how can they enforce it, what I saw after it opened in the market then investors will sell most of their tokens and the token price will definitely dump, depending on the market power to buy back the tokens that keeps the project going, and honestly every the good projects I've seen have never given such a big discount.

Early investors take the high risk investment trusting their money in the hands of those developers.

It's not that much if they'll going to sell immediately after reaching exchange, if the team have the right perceptions and they know
how to expect, there's always chance for the team to move forward and receive the support that they need from the community, if they managed to  bring more investors after listing the very chance that traders and investors will earn a lot.
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August 05, 2021, 01:37:46 PM
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Is 75% discount in presale of a project way too high? What do you think will happen to such project giving away too high discount for a presale? Will this cos huge dump or you've seen projects that survives after such massive discount

UPDATE

I meant 75% not $, that was a mistake and thanks for understanding

It's going to have a massive dump if whales are going to buy a huge percentage of the supply, developers are doing this to kickstart the crowdfunding because once investors see that investments are coming up, they will follow it like a domino effect, so it's a good attraction for investors and an opportunity to make a huge profit.
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August 05, 2021, 06:10:34 PM
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Its depend on the project and what will bring, i know about many icos that give even 100% discount but in the end their token did a great job on exchanges and vice versa
And not all of them are like that, because if we look at the successful and unsuccessful ICO projects, there are still many who are not successful, because making a truly legitimate project is very difficult, moreover the product is not clear, even though the purpose of the concept can be very good.
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August 05, 2021, 07:20:14 PM
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Is 75% discount in presale of a project way too high? What do you think will happen to such project giving away too high discount for a presale? Will this cos huge dump or you've seen projects that survives after such massive discount

UPDATE

I meant 75% not $, that was a mistake and thanks for understanding

Indeed, at the time of pre-sale, the discount given was very high. Some of us think of the huge profits to be made, but some of us think of the next market after the distribution is done. What worries us is not the discount, but the remaining tokens that are not sold and entered on the exchange as a whole, then the market conditions will dump. I think the team should also be consistent with what they have explained in their whitepaper regarding the remaining unsold tokens.

The teams often argue that pre-sale discounts are justified because investors during that phase carry more risk. While in the real world that is true, in crypto it only means that the risk for investors during the other investment rounds is extremely high that they just get dumped on right after the coin is listed on an exchange.

I think the losses experienced by investors depend on the projects they invest in. If the project only provides a website, then creates their token, of course investors will continue to suffer losses.
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August 05, 2021, 11:53:04 PM
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Is 75% discount in presale of a project way too high? What do you think will happen to such project giving away too high discount for a presale? Will this cos huge dump or you've seen projects that survives after such massive discount

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I meant 75% not $, that was a mistake and thanks for understanding
Like I know, not all projects are scam but many of this projects with 75% off on pre-sale are scam projects, so many I can't mention.

I joined an airdrop on discord early this year things was going real good till the pre-sale and 24hrs to the pre-sale they reduced the price 20% more making it more cheaper and at the end of the day the admin came out to announce to them that they've really contributed to his life lmao he just took all the money and disappeared thank God I wasn't a victim. Short story all I'll tell you is make research before jumping into pre-sale make sure you go through the project, check the backup team check their potentials else you might fall a victim.
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August 06, 2021, 01:48:06 AM
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Is 75% discount in presale of a project way too high? What do you think will happen to such project giving away too high discount for a presale? Will this cos huge dump or you've seen projects that survives after such massive discount

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I meant 75% not $, that was a mistake and thanks for understanding
Yes, it is big, maybe the price will fall when first listed on the market, but a good project will definitely think about all these risks, they give big discounts too because all people who buy in the presale are their first investors. I don't think big discount is the reason the price will drop if the project has good value in terms of innovation, utility,community etc. Let's look at a project that has absolutely no presale and actually gives a big airdrop, the price maybe falling down but they can survive, the price rising again. but it all comes back to the project itself, how is the innovation they bring, is there any real usecase? is there anything interesting from the roadmap? or not interesting at all
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August 06, 2021, 02:25:49 AM
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There are many aspects to assess it, if the team is experienced in the crypto field for me it doesn't matter so that it can attract many investors, but on the other hand if the team is unknown or anonymous in my opinion the project is just a pump and dump for dev benefit, and immediately stay away from it such a project.
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August 06, 2021, 02:30:20 AM
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There are many aspects to assess it, if the team is experienced in the crypto field for me it doesn't matter so that it can attract many investors, but on the other hand if the team is unknown or anonymous in my opinion the project is just a pump and dump for dev benefit, and immediately stay away from it such a project.
There are many aspects to assess it, if the team is experienced in the crypto field for me it doesn't matter so that it can attract many investors, but on the other hand if the team is unknown or anonymous in my opinion the project is just a pump and dump for dev benefit, and immediately stay away from it such a project.

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August 06, 2021, 02:31:05 AM
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Is 75% discount in presale of a project way too high? What do you think will happen to such project giving away too high discount for a presale? Will this cos huge dump or you've seen projects that survives after such massive discount

UPDATE

I meant 75% not $, that was a mistake and thanks for understanding
Like I know, not all projects are scam but many of this projects with 75% off on pre-sale are scam projects, so many I can't mention.

I joined an airdrop on discord early this year things was going real good till the pre-sale and 24hrs to the pre-sale they reduced the price 20% more making it more cheaper and at the end of the day the admin came out to announce to them that they've really contributed to his life lmao he just took all the money and disappeared thank God I wasn't a victim. Short story all I'll tell you is make research before jumping into pre-sale make sure you go through the project, check the backup team check their potentials else you might fall a victim.

This is the common discount on presale of projects launching there project right now. I'm active on participating on presale and they usually control the price after listing by limiting the maximum buy per user and vesting release of presale tokens. This way even though they have a huge discount, They can't dump there token at once and there's no whale that can manipulate the price of the market.

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August 06, 2021, 02:34:22 AM
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There are many aspects to assess it, if the team is experienced in the crypto field for me it doesn't matter so that it can attract many investors, but on the other hand if the team is unknown or anonymous in my opinion the project is just a pump and dump for dev benefit, and immediately stay away from it such a project.
There are many aspects to assess it, if the team is experienced in the crypto field for me it doesn't matter so that it can attract many investors, but on the other hand if the team is unknown or anonymous in my opinion the project is just a pump and dump for dev benefit, and immediately stay away from it such a project.

how professional the development team is but if the bonus given in the presale or private sale is too large it will also have a bad impact on the market at the beginning of the token trade.
The market for new projects usually doesn't get strong right away. and if the bonus given is too large, I believe the market will be very easy to collapse.



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August 06, 2021, 03:07:07 AM
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Is 75% discount in presale of a project way too high? What do you think will happen to such project giving away too high discount for a presale? Will this cos huge dump or you've seen projects that survives after such massive discount

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I meant 75% not $, that was a mistake and thanks for understanding
well it depends , it does feels too big but i think the best think to consider when investing is the credibility of the team and what kind of project they are doing. So many project are too delusional and dont have a great basic to build a businesses sometimes the make an ICO, fund the money and they just go away telling people they go bankrupt. So i do think fudamental is the best part of investment and you need to know who build it and what kind person that doing it.  I also think giving a discount is unreasonable and its just a trick to attract customer to make some kind of FOMO buying which is not really good.

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August 06, 2021, 03:49:54 AM
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There are many aspects to assess it, if the team is experienced in the crypto field for me it doesn't matter so that it can attract many investors, but on the other hand if the team is unknown or anonymous in my opinion the project is just a pump and dump for dev benefit, and immediately stay away from it such a project.
That's right, the criteria that we must prepare are certainly not only in one or several of them, but we must be observant and analyze well. In addition to experience in crypto, the behavior that has been carried out so far is also very important as a reference because many who have committed fraud certainly do not deserve to be chosen again. remember they are good at manipulating all the rules created by taking from projects that worked well. so keep analyzing well and avoid people like them.

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November 28, 2021, 10:16:45 AM
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I think this depends on the project.  If the project is hype such that it could be successful in the long run, it is a benefits for several investors who buys their coin on a discounted presale, and this action can pull many investors but the problem is it could make even small problem in the future and may dump the coin value since many would buy volume coin on disconnected presale.
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November 28, 2021, 10:52:05 AM
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Is 75% discount in presale of a project way too high? What do you think will happen to such project giving away too high discount for a presale? Will this cos huge dump or you've seen projects that survives after such massive discount

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I meant 75% not $, that was a mistake and thanks for understanding

Well, what normally happens on most presales where I participated no matter what the discount during presale is that presalers usually sell when they gain profit. So what usually happens is that after some time price will eventually drop and that's normal. If you have ever bought some coins/tokens during the presale, and then the presalers dump, that's fine, as long as the project is a legitimate one. You can also add some in your bags and be thankful for the discount. Investing especially in projects with long term roadmap and unique utility are always worth holding. So don't stress yourself to much about what will happen a day after the presale. But make sure you are investing on projects with a great team behind by doing research and not just on memecoins that fully relies on hype.
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November 28, 2021, 11:28:57 AM
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That's a big number but you need to consider that by offering big profits, there are risks that can happen
Of course there are also projects that are successful and the price is many times the presale, that's what investors hope the project can run smoothly and successfully

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