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Title: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: BADecker on June 18, 2021, 09:21:14 PM
Of course they are going to claim it had nothing to do with the vaccines. If they went the other way, they'd soon be in a lawsuit fight with a bunch of other airlines. This way they only have to fight the people when the people catch on.

BRITISH AIRWAYS IN CRISIS TALKS WITH GOVERNMENT OVER IF VACCINATED PILOTS SHOULD BE FLYING PLANES - https://www.brighteon.com/embed/68e83efd-43a8-45c7-90e7-c25114cd6909.


British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died, claims no link to vaccines (https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-06-18-british-airways-confirms-four-vaccinated-pilots-have-recently-died.html)



Online rumors have been circulating over the past few days that four British Airways pilots have died, and that British Airways is in “crisis talks” with the British government about these deaths. In attempting to dismiss this rumor, Reuters ran a fact check article that actually confirms the deaths of the four pilots.

Via Reuters:

The spokesperson, however, confirmed the authenticity of the four condolence books, as four company pilots had recently passed away. “Our thoughts are with their family and friends,” they said, adding that none of the deaths was linked to vaccines.

British Airways, like nearly all airlines, is aggressively pushing vaccines for both its employees (including pilots) and passengers. Earlier this year, for example, British Airways launched its own vaccine passport.

According to Reuters, there is no truth to the claim that British Airways is in “crisis talks” with the British government. However, if such crisis talks were taking place, they would no doubt be classified as a national security issue, so Reuters wouldn’t be told about this anyway. That doesn’t mean they are taking place, but if we’ve learned anything over the last 18 months, it’s that when the controlled corporate media “debunks” things related to covid, that usually means the claims are true.

Various videos, including the following video posted on Brighteon.com, covers the rumor that numerous vaccinated British Airways pilots have died and that British Airways is in “crisis talks.” Note that this video does not claim this is all confirmed, but classifies the claim as a “rumor.”

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Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: tvbcof on June 19, 2021, 05:23:20 AM
One of the tools I use to ascertain the weight of a story is how fast the 'fact checkers' respond.  When they are on a story within a day, it indicates that there is a 'there there', and it is an important thing.

Basically, a fake story debunks itself in due course.  Not very threatening...but often very useful.  Many, if not most, fake stories are injected deliberately because they are useful in achieving certain goals.  'Going Viral' is a very useful marker for such a thing.

A real story is the real threat, and it's what the 'fact checkers' are funded to deal with.  It's not so much about 'debunking' something as it is 'setting the conversation'.  This is complex because there is not one unified 'conversation'.  There are many going on within many groups.  The complexity and value lays with influencing how and when these various 'conversations' will merge.

People should study Edward Bernays (https://consciousnessminded.com/the-century-of-the-self-full-documentary/) to see how deep this stuff goes, and it's surely become vastly more sophisticated since he exited the industry.  He was the nephew of Sigmund Freud, and is an uncle of the guy who runs Netflix with all of it's bizarre degeneracy, links to the Kushners, etc.  Talk about a family with a gift for mind-fucking 'the nations'!



Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: Cnut237 on June 19, 2021, 11:09:28 AM
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I must say, it's much more efficient for you to debunk your owns posts like this. It saves us all the hassle of presenting the facts and evidence. Maybe you can just add "FACT CHECK: THIS IS FALSE" to each of these all-bold P&S threads? And presumably this particular thread can be closed now, as there's nothing more to say on the subject?


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: cmg777 on June 19, 2021, 11:59:21 AM
One of the tools I use to ascertain the weight of a story is how fast the 'fact checkers' respond.  When they are on a story within a day, it indicates that there is a 'there there', and it is an important thing.

Basically, a fake story debunks itself in due course.  Not very threatening...but often very useful.  Many, if not most, fake stories are injected deliberately because they are useful in achieving certain goals.  'Going Viral' is a very useful marker for such a thing.

A real story is the real threat, and it's what the 'fact checkers' are funded to deal with.  It's not so much about 'debunking' something as it is 'setting the conversation'.  This is complex because there is not one unified 'conversation'.  There are many going on within many groups.  The complexity and value lays with influencing how and when these various 'conversations' will merge.

People should study Edward Bernays (https://consciousnessminded.com/the-century-of-the-self-full-documentary/) to see how deep this stuff goes, and it's surely become vastly more sophisticated since he exited the industry.  He was the nephew of Sigmund Freud, and is an uncle of the guy who runs Netflix with all of it's bizarre degeneracy, links to the Kushners, etc.  Talk about a family with a gift for mind-fucking 'the nations'!



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I must say, it's much more efficient for you to debunk your owns posts like this. It saves us all the hassle of presenting the facts and evidence. Maybe you can just add "FACT CHECK: THIS IS FALSE" to each of these all-bold P&S threads? And presumably this particular thread can be closed now, as there's nothing more to say on the subject?


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Did you not read the post above yours? This is like the question which came first the chicken or the egg? I guess in this thread the chicken shit! tvbcof just said most "Fact Checkers" cover real stories up because that narrative hurts the usual suspects that profit and plunder at the expense of others....


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: Cnut237 on June 19, 2021, 01:29:23 PM
Did you not read the post above yours? This is like the question which came first the chicken or the egg? I guess in this thread the chicken shit! tvbcof just said most "Fact Checkers" cover real stories up because that narrative hurts the usual suspects that profit and plunder at the expense of others....

Yeah, I did read it. I assumed it was a joke.

1. Someone makes an outrageous claim.
2. The claim is debunked by looking at the facts.

If someone makes a statement without being willing to supply evidence, then the statement is questionable.

If the response to any attempt to debunk the claim is that those debunking it are questionable, then there is no point in arguing anything; if you decide on a conclusion, and refuse to consider facts or evidence, and indeed consider facts to be merely an inconvenience that gets in the way of your pre-determined conclusion, when what's the point in attempting to have a discussion?


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Edit: Also, feel free to ignore my post here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5344271.msg57267506#msg57267506).


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: BADecker on June 19, 2021, 11:44:42 PM
Did you not read the post above yours? This is like the question which came first the chicken or the egg? I guess in this thread the chicken shit! tvbcof just said most "Fact Checkers" cover real stories up because that narrative hurts the usual suspects that profit and plunder at the expense of others....

Yeah, I did read it. I assumed it was a joke.

1. Someone makes an outrageous claim.
2. The claim is debunked by looking at the facts.

If someone makes a statement without being willing to supply evidence, then the statement is questionable.

If the response to any attempt to debunk the claim is that those debunking it are questionable, then there is no point in arguing anything; if you decide on a conclusion, and refuse to consider facts or evidence, and indeed consider facts to be merely an inconvenience that gets in the way of your pre-determined conclusion, when what's the point in attempting to have a discussion?


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Edit: Also, feel free to ignore my post here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5344271.msg57267506#msg57267506).


My own island in the Bahamas... Yippee!


Average people don't pay fact checkers off. Only those who stand to earn a lot thru their lies do.


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Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: franky1 on June 20, 2021, 12:25:14 AM
what bedecker does not realise is . his conspiracy influencers are geting paid to say stupid scripts
they do convention tours and get speaker fee's

however they lack first hand experience. have not themselves analysed covid themselves, nor been the doctors doing the autopsies. nor been involved in any clinical trials

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take this latest stupid conspiracy about the pilots
only 20 seconds of searching and i can find things to debunk badecker/tvbcofs stupid assumtions

1 pilot had no vaccine but was in the progress of recovering from covid after well over 200 days in hospital. but later died due to the organ damage of covid
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pilot-texas-hospital-british-airways-b1863722.html

1 pilot died from injuries caused on a mountain biking accident(internal injuries cause by impact)
https://www.newvalleynews.co.uk/news/airline-pilot-in-mystery-death/

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i cant be bothered to debunk idiots like badecker any more.
its funny how they say 4 died from vaccine but the idiots never try to find out the names of those that died, nor how they actually died
so lets just set the idiots(known as badecker and tvbcof) a challenge..
to name and show how/where the other 2 died.
lets see their lame excuses to deny trying to find out the truth

but hey i've done half the job for them 2 of 4 were not vaccine deaths. so lets see if i can give them enough string to hang themselves by finding the other two


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: Natsuu on June 20, 2021, 12:49:52 AM
"they said, adding that none of the deaths was linked to vaccines."

Therefore, they confirmed that they're dead, but not from covid...

Title is misleading as always


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: franky1 on June 20, 2021, 01:08:54 AM
"they said, adding that none of the deaths was linked to vaccines."

Therefore, they confirmed that they're dead, but not from covid vaccine...

Title is misleading as always

FTFY
its only misleading when the actual report makes it clear that the deaths are not linked. but then some people make a mistake and say something slightly different. and then the whole special bus brigade jump on it without doing their own research

british airlines never said any of the 4 dies due to vaccines
yet the special bus brigade started rumours of misunderstanding and the idiots just went for it


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: JeromeTash on June 20, 2021, 01:28:19 AM
Come on @BADecker, no offense but the least you could do is carry out some fact checking before you continue the promotion of crap by posting unverified rumors  >:(

I have some knowledge about the medical world, and I am passionate about saving lives, I hate the whole bullshit of politics, big pharma  looking to profit from unsuspecting populations but what I don't understand is why someone would try to spread false news  ::)?

Did the vaccinated pilots catch the COVID-19 virus again and die or ended up dead after vaccination?  ???


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: Gyfts on June 20, 2021, 02:15:23 AM
Did the vaccinated pilots catch the COVID-19 virus again and die or ended up dead after vaccination?  ???

Actually what usually ends up happening in these cases is that people will take the vaccine and catch Covid before the vaccine has a chance to work. The most effective vaccine is at 95% anyways, meaning  5% will still end up getting Covid if they are exposed. And secondly, you can still catch Covid in the period before the vaccine is fully effective or before your second dose.

No conspiracy.


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: BADecker on June 20, 2021, 02:30:20 AM
"they said, adding that none of the deaths was linked to vaccines."

Therefore, they confirmed that they're dead, but not from covid vaccine...

Title is misleading as always

FTFY
its only misleading when the actual report makes it clear that the deaths are not linked. but then some people make a mistake and say something slightly different. and then the whole special bus brigade jump on it without doing their own research

british airlines never said any of the 4 dies due to vaccines
yet the special bus brigade started rumours of misunderstanding and the idiots just went for it

If the formal report says it wasn't the vaxx that killed them, then the report should state what it was that killed them. Did their planes crash? Car accidents getting to the airport? Gunned down by hijackers? You know... something.

Besides, the vaxx may not have killed them. Maybe the vaxx only activated the thing that killed them. The vaxx might have been something harmless in itself. But maybe it caused some kind of poison to come into being, and the pilots died from the poison.

Maybe they just don't know what killed the pilots. The pilots were fine. They shouldn't have died. They were living and they looked like they should have kept on living... as almost all pilots do, at least until they retire. These pilots were fine. Then they took the vaxx. Then they died for unknown reasons... but certainly not the vaxx, right? The timing was very suspicious, but it definitely couldn't be the vaxx, right? Well, let's get some autopsies done to find our what it was, then.

There are thousands of deaths that occur all the time. Most of them never have autopsies done. Cause of death for them is not scientifically determined. Most cause of death is just a good guess on the part of some medical person, but even some family member who is not a doctor at all.

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Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: tvbcof on June 20, 2021, 02:43:26 AM

If the formal report says it wasn't the vaxx that killed them, then the report should state what it was that killed them. Did their planes crash? Car accidents getting to the airport? Gunned down by hijackers? You know... something.


Those things sound a lot like textbook 'covid'.

'with covid' makes a cha-ching sound on a death cert.  All you need is a bogus PCR test, or even a doctor thinking he heard a cough.  Go ahead...the feds are not looking.  They promised the payout would come back to the institution and the auditors would NOT.

Back in the day, the numbers were being pumped to get the scary scary 'next wave' (tm).  Now the reason has shifted; to justify vaccine deaths.  Exactly like I predicted half a year ago or more.



Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: virasog on June 20, 2021, 03:28:41 AM
https://i.imgur.com/fLMwD9B.png


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: Cnut237 on June 20, 2021, 08:06:18 AM
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If that were true, then yes. One death per 10k Covid cases and one death per 10k vaccinations would mean that the vaccine is as deadly as the virus, and so is pointless.

The only thing is... your numbers aren't correct. Look at the data. How many people have died from Covid? How many have died from vaccination?
Take the UK as an example of a highly vaccinated country. ~130k Covid deaths. Vaccinations are currently at 108 per 100 people (because 2 shots are needed), so slightly more than one vaccination per person. Are you really suggesting (with zero evidence) that there have been 130k deaths in the UK due to the vaccine? That's absurd.


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: tvbcof on June 20, 2021, 08:21:47 AM
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If that were true, then yes. One death per 10k Covid cases and one death per 10k vaccinations would mean that the vaccine is as deadly as the virus, and so is pointless.

The only thing is... your numbers aren't correct. Look at the data. How many people have died from Covid? How many have died from vaccination?
Take the UK as an example of a highly vaccinated country. ~130k Covid deaths. Vaccinations are currently at 108 per 100 people (because 2 shots are needed), so slightly more than one vaccination per person. Are you really suggesting (with zero evidence) that there have been 130k deaths in the UK due to the vaccine? That's absurd.


A scammer has a significant leg-up if the only allowable information about the scam must be authorized/authenticated by the scammers themselves.  Just say'n.



Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: Cnut237 on June 20, 2021, 01:31:57 PM
A scammer has a significant leg-up if the only allowable information about the scam must be authorized/authenticated by the scammers themselves.  Just say'n.

Yeah, that was my point. But really there's not even an attempt to supply information in this instance, it's just a copy/pasted meme image with zero consideration of facts or evidence. Show me the data that demonstrates that the vaccine has the same mortality rate as the virus. If the evidence can't be supplied, then the graphic — which you might be tempted, erroneously, to believe is based on evidence — is actually baseless nonsense.


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: BADecker on June 20, 2021, 10:47:26 PM
A scammer has a significant leg-up if the only allowable information about the scam must be authorized/authenticated by the scammers themselves.  Just say'n.

Yeah, that was my point. But really there's not even an attempt to supply information in this instance, it's just a copy/pasted meme image with zero consideration of facts or evidence. Show me the data that demonstrates that the vaccine has the same mortality rate as the virus. If the evidence can't be supplied, then the graphic — which you might be tempted, erroneously, to believe is based on evidence — is actually baseless nonsense.

Showing the info to you, and getting you to read and understand it are two different things.

The point being that the vaccine DOESN'T have the same mortality rate as the virus.

Check Open VAERS - https://www.openvaers.com/ - to see that the vaccine has over double the mortality rate of the virus.

Here is the interesting part. About 400,000 Covid deaths in the US in 2020 (actually, a little less). With the 94% that the CDC says were comorbidities, 24,000 real Covid deaths in 2020.

Now, lets apply the 94% to the stats that VAERS + Harvard show. That takes the 600,000 vaccine deaths (VAERS + Harvard) down to 36,000 for the first half or 2021 so far. The other 564,000 vaccine deaths were really comorbidities.

Not so bad, right? 24,000 Covid deaths in 2020.
376,000 comorbidity deaths, mostly among the elderly, in 2020.
No Covid vaccine deaths in 2020.

36,000 Covid vaccine deaths for the first half of 2021.
564,000 comorbidity vaccine deaths among EVERYBODY (all ages) in 2021.
Why not comorbidity deaths in basically the elderly? Because the elderly died off in 2020.
Why are the younger people only getting Covid now, but barely at all in 2020?
Because they are among the comorbidity group in 2021, getting Covid from the Covid vaccine, thereby dying from the comorbidity of Covid/Covid-vaccine.

"We got you," says the medical. "We played you, and it was all about your life."

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Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: franky1 on June 21, 2021, 12:09:40 AM
"they said, adding that none of the deaths was linked to vaccines."

Therefore, they confirmed that they're dead, but not from covid vaccine...

Title is misleading as always

FTFY
its only misleading when the actual report makes it clear that the deaths are not linked. but then some people make a mistake and say something slightly different. and then the whole special bus brigade jump on it without doing their own research

british airlines never said any of the 4 dies due to vaccines
yet the special bus brigade started rumours of misunderstanding and the idiots just went for it

If the formal report says it wasn't the vaxx that killed them, then the report should state what it was that killed them. Did their planes crash? Car accidents getting to the airport? Gunned down by hijackers? You know... something.

guess you cant read.
i already listed how 2 of the deaths occured. seems you are blind.
try reading and looking for the real info and stop thinking that because your influencers limited quote lacked info. that it means that you can play idiot and fill the gaps with nonsense

again try to do some real research away from your idiot conspiracy influencers, and you will soon find real facts
it took about 40 seconds to find just the first 2 death reasons. maybe it wont take you long to find the other.. hense why i set you a challenge


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: tvbcof on June 21, 2021, 04:07:07 AM
Tim Truth (https://timtruth.com) did a piece on this:

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/4CVmg3vR6Xr5/ (https://www.bitchute.com/video/4CVmg3vR6Xr5/)

Edit:  Here's an interesting one from the comments in Tim Truth's vid:  https://onemileatatime.com/news/american-airlines-canceling-hundreds-of-flights/ (https://onemileatatime.com/news/american-airlines-canceling-hundreds-of-flights/)



Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: franky1 on June 21, 2021, 04:39:12 AM
Tim Truth (https://timtruth.com) did a piece on this:

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/4CVmg3vR6Xr5/ (https://www.bitchute.com/video/4CVmg3vR6Xr5/)

Edit:  Here's an interesting one from the comments in Tim Truth's vid:  https://onemileatatime.com/news/american-airlines-canceling-hundreds-of-flights/ (https://onemileatatime.com/news/american-airlines-canceling-hundreds-of-flights/)

drop of 5% of flights compared to 2019 norm.. awww here kid have a lollipop and a tissue to wipe away the tears.

-5% awwwww
meanwhile i was checking on the cancelations and its not really all flights. not even all 737 flights
but just particular flights. such as some flights for
dallas fort worth in-out

where its obvious that a certain circuit has been stopped.due to a certain issue
but to commit that 5% issue as some widespread issues effecting 100%.. seems like a baby throwing its dummy out the crib


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: TwitchySeal on June 24, 2021, 05:44:34 AM
With almost 3 billion vaccinated and counting I have a feeling we're in for a lot of these "Vaccinated person died!!!11!111" threads, all chock full of nonsense.



One of the tools I use to ascertain the weight of a story is how fast the 'fact checkers' respond.  When they are on a story within a day, it indicates that there is a 'there there', and it is an important thing.

classic...


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: Desmong on June 24, 2021, 06:24:28 AM
With almost 3 billion vaccinated and counting I have a feeling we're in for a lot of these "Vaccinated person died!!!11!111" threads, all chock full of nonsense.



One of the tools I use to ascertain the weight of a story is how fast the 'fact checkers' respond.  When they are on a story within a day, it indicates that there is a 'there there', and it is an important thing.

classic...
A lot of persons have been complaining about the side effects of the vaccine which the government have been  keeping quiet and debunking the reports of the media. If the government has nothing to say on this without taken drastic measures to question the mode, ingredients and the constituents of the vaccine in order to get to the bottom of this. Then I think something is fishy here.


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: TwitchySeal on June 24, 2021, 06:44:00 AM
A lot of persons have been complaining about the side effects of the vaccine which the government have been  keeping quiet and debunking the reports of the media.

Anyone that gets the vaccine is informed of the side effects.  They have them on signs, in pamphlets, on government websites, lol

https://www.nhsinform.scot/covid-19-vaccine/the-vaccines/side-effects-of-the-coronavirus-vaccines

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/expect/after.html

If the government has nothing to say on this without taken drastic measures to question the mode, ingredients and the constituents of the vaccine in order to get to the bottom of this. Then I think something is fishy here.

Don't worry friend, the ingredients have been questioned.


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: tvbcof on June 24, 2021, 10:09:01 AM

One of the tools I use to ascertain the weight of a story is how fast the 'fact checkers' respond.  When they are on a story within a day, it indicates that there is a 'there there', and it is an important thing.

classic...

Yup.  It's a fall-out from 'classic' old-school pre-scientism concepts such as observation, research, and critical thinking.

Your average 'global citizen' would never think to ask about how the 'fact checkers' came into existence and who funds their pay-checks, much less what that means for their work product.  To most people, that they calling themselves 'fact checkers' makes it obvious that they are credible in checking facts.  As further proof, Google and Facebook use them!

https://www.corbettreport.com/who-will-fact-check-the-fact-checkers/ (https://www.corbettreport.com/who-will-fact-check-the-fact-checkers/)



Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: TwitchySeal on June 24, 2021, 10:27:29 AM

One of the tools I use to ascertain the weight of a story is how fast the 'fact checkers' respond.  When they are on a story within a day, it indicates that there is a 'there there', and it is an important thing.

classic...

Yup.  It's a fall-out from 'classic' old-school pre-scientism concepts such as observation, research, and critical thinking.

Your average 'global citizen' would never think to ask about how the 'fact checkers' came into existence and who funds their pay-checks, much less what that means for their work product.  To most people, that they calling themselves 'fact checkers' makes it obvious that they are credible in checking facts.  As further proof, Google and Facebook use them!

https://www.corbettreport.com/who-will-fact-check-the-fact-checkers/ (https://www.corbettreport.com/who-will-fact-check-the-fact-checkers/)



Someones done a very good job of keeping you from realizing that all the quotes and information these fact checkers publish include detailed sources.  (try clicking on the words that look a little different or have a little squiggly line underneath)


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: tvbcof on June 24, 2021, 02:34:53 PM

One of the tools I use to ascertain the weight of a story is how fast the 'fact checkers' respond.  When they are on a story within a day, it indicates that there is a 'there there', and it is an important thing.

classic...

Yup.  It's a fall-out from 'classic' old-school pre-scientism concepts such as observation, research, and critical thinking.

Your average 'global citizen' would never think to ask about how the 'fact checkers' came into existence and who funds their pay-checks, much less what that means for their work product.  To most people, that they calling themselves 'fact checkers' makes it obvious that they are credible in checking facts.  As further proof, Google and Facebook use them!

https://www.corbettreport.com/who-will-fact-check-the-fact-checkers/ (https://www.corbettreport.com/who-will-fact-check-the-fact-checkers/)


Someones done a very good job of keeping you from realizing that all the quotes and information these fact checkers publish include detailed sources.  (try clicking on the words that look a little different or have a little squiggly line underneath)

As Corbett said, these (usually B&M Gates Foundation funded) 'fact checkers' tend to rely heavily on straw-man arguments.  That is to say, take something ridiculous that someone (often one of their own operatives most likely) said and 'debunk' that.  They know damn well that 99% of people are just going to look at the color code thingy at the top.

I don't remember ever seeing an open comments section on any of the 'fact checks'.   Any source of information without an open comments section is very suspect to me, and I don't use them very much for actual information about critical or sensitive subjects.

One of the few times I actually looked to find information on a 'fact check' site was when someone who claimed to be the family doctor of Bill Gates' family said that the kids were sharp, healthy, and unvaccinated.  Did the 'fact checkers' even bother to get a statement from Gates?  Of course not.  They 'debunked' the story by pointing out that the doctor was not acting ethically by exposing private medical information.  Lol!  What a joke.



Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: BADecker on June 24, 2021, 07:46:42 PM
Someones done a very good job of keeping you from realizing that all the quotes and information these fact checkers publish include detailed sources.  (try clicking on the words that look a little different or have a little squiggly line underneath)

As Corbett said, these (usually B&M Gates Foundation funded) 'fact checkers' tend to rely heavily on straw-man arguments.  That is to say, take something ridiculous that someone (often one of their own operatives most likely) said and 'debunk' that.  They know damn well that 99% of people are just going to look at the color code thingy at the top.

I don't remember ever seeing an open comments section on any of the 'fact checks'.   Any source of information without an open comments section is very suspect to me, and I don't use them very much for actual information about critical or sensitive subjects.

One of the few times I actually looked to find information on a 'fact check' site was when someone who claimed to be the family doctor of Bill Gates' family said that the kids were sharp, healthy, and unvaccinated.  Did the 'fact checkers' even bother to get a statement from Gates?  Of course not.  They 'debunked' the story by pointing out that the doctor was not acting ethically by exposing private medical information.  Lol!  What a joke.



I've noticed the same thing when sites sell a corny looking product, but don't have a comment section. However, some of the good scam artists have a comment section where you can find loads of approvals with few disagreements, but you can't ever get hold of any of the commenters... even on the site.

Seems that sometimes you can actually find what franky1 says in the textbooks. The other side of that is, often the textbooks say right inside themselves (often indirectly), that their own work is flawed one way or another. Yet doctors are taught that it is truth, and apply it as though it were, even though it is only anecdotal.

I'd be willing to bet that doctors with a private practice use way more anectotal medicine that scientifically proven medicine. Probably the pilots died anecdotally.

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Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: TwitchySeal on June 24, 2021, 09:30:28 PM

One of the tools I use to ascertain the weight of a story is how fast the 'fact checkers' respond.  When they are on a story within a day, it indicates that there is a 'there there', and it is an important thing.

classic...

Yup.  It's a fall-out from 'classic' old-school pre-scientism concepts such as observation, research, and critical thinking.

Your average 'global citizen' would never think to ask about how the 'fact checkers' came into existence and who funds their pay-checks, much less what that means for their work product.  To most people, that they calling themselves 'fact checkers' makes it obvious that they are credible in checking facts.  As further proof, Google and Facebook use them!

https://www.corbettreport.com/who-will-fact-check-the-fact-checkers/ (https://www.corbettreport.com/who-will-fact-check-the-fact-checkers/)


Someones done a very good job of keeping you from realizing that all the quotes and information these fact checkers publish include detailed sources.  (try clicking on the words that look a little different or have a little squiggly line underneath)

As Corbett said, these (usually B&M Gates Foundation funded) 'fact checkers' tend to rely heavily on straw-man arguments.  That is to say, take something ridiculous that someone (often one of their own operatives most likely) said and 'debunk' that.  They know damn well that 99% of people are just going to look at the color code thingy at the top.

I don't remember ever seeing an open comments section on any of the 'fact checks'.   Any source of information without an open comments section is very suspect to me, and I don't use them very much for actual information about critical or sensitive subjects.

One of the few times I actually looked to find information on a 'fact check' site was when someone who claimed to be the family doctor of Bill Gates' family said that the kids were sharp, healthy, and unvaccinated.  Did the 'fact checkers' even bother to get a statement from Gates?  Of course not.  They 'debunked' the story by pointing out that the doctor was not acting ethically by exposing private medical information.  Lol!  What a joke.



So you rarely look at fact checking sites because Corbett told you to just believe him instead.  Gotcha.


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: tvbcof on June 24, 2021, 09:40:48 PM

As Corbett said, these (usually B&M Gates Foundation funded) 'fact checkers' tend to rely heavily on straw-man arguments.  That is to say, take something ridiculous that someone (often one of their own operatives most likely) said and 'debunk' that.  They know damn well that 99% of people are just going to look at the color code thingy at the top.

I don't remember ever seeing an open comments section on any of the 'fact checks'.   Any source of information without an open comments section is very suspect to me, and I don't use them very much for actual information about critical or sensitive subjects.

One of the few times I actually looked to find information on a 'fact check' site was when someone who claimed to be the family doctor of Bill Gates' family said that the kids were sharp, healthy, and unvaccinated.  Did the 'fact checkers' even bother to get a statement from Gates?  Of course not.  They 'debunked' the story by pointing out that the doctor was not acting ethically by exposing private medical information.  Lol!  What a joke.


So you rarely look at fact checking sites because Corbett told you to just believe him instead.  Gotcha.

Nope:  Just the opposite.  Two of the people I pay the most attention to (and sometime fund) implore people NOT to just trust what they say and do their own research.  To back it up, both are also VERY fastidious about providing links to source material for everything they talk about.

Check out how it should be done:

  https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-381-who-will-fact-check-the-fact-checkers/ (https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-381-who-will-fact-check-the-fact-checkers/)

  https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/who-says-children-should-not-be-vaccinated-nanobots-az-vax-has-protein-breakdown-blood-clots/ (https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/who-says-children-should-not-be-vaccinated-nanobots-az-vax-has-protein-breakdown-blood-clots/)

Note the organized sequential links to the source material, then at the bottom of the page a comments section so people can add to or challenge the information provided.



Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: TwitchySeal on June 25, 2021, 04:11:44 AM

As Corbett said, these (usually B&M Gates Foundation funded) 'fact checkers' tend to rely heavily on straw-man arguments.  That is to say, take something ridiculous that someone (often one of their own operatives most likely) said and 'debunk' that.  They know damn well that 99% of people are just going to look at the color code thingy at the top.

I don't remember ever seeing an open comments section on any of the 'fact checks'.   Any source of information without an open comments section is very suspect to me, and I don't use them very much for actual information about critical or sensitive subjects.

One of the few times I actually looked to find information on a 'fact check' site was when someone who claimed to be the family doctor of Bill Gates' family said that the kids were sharp, healthy, and unvaccinated.  Did the 'fact checkers' even bother to get a statement from Gates?  Of course not.  They 'debunked' the story by pointing out that the doctor was not acting ethically by exposing private medical information.  Lol!  What a joke.


So you rarely look at fact checking sites because Corbett told you to just believe him instead.  Gotcha.

Nope:  Just the opposite.  Two of the people I pay the most attention to (and sometime fund) implore people NOT to just trust what they say and do their own research.  To back it up, both are also VERY fastidious about providing links to source material for everything they talk about.

Check out how it should be done:

  https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-381-who-will-fact-check-the-fact-checkers/ (https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-381-who-will-fact-check-the-fact-checkers/)

  https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/who-says-children-should-not-be-vaccinated-nanobots-az-vax-has-protein-breakdown-blood-clots/ (https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/who-says-children-should-not-be-vaccinated-nanobots-az-vax-has-protein-breakdown-blood-clots/)

Note the organized sequential links to the source material, then at the bottom of the page a comments section so people can add to or challenge the information provided.



You can fact check the fact checkers yourself.  They cite their sources.   (try clicking on the words that look a little different or have a little squiggly line underneath)


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: BADecker on June 25, 2021, 06:08:38 PM
Fact check this. And in your fact check, fact check the links in the article. BTW, read the comments.


Thousands of flights cancelled as vaccinated pilots fall ill or die (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/307158-2021-06-25-thousands-of-flights-cancelled-as-vaccinated-pilots-fall-ill-or.htm)



Pilots are encouraged to be aware of the signs of deep venous thrombosis and clotting issues and take preventative measures such as compression stockings and stretching of their legs during long flights.

Medical News Today published a study on June 15th, 2021 that showed an increased risk of blood clotting and low platelets in AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine recipients. Some scientists hypothesize that since the ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (EDTA) in the shot causes a full body reaction, once the vaccine comes into contact with platelets inside the human body, the vaccine activates those platelets, causing them to change shape and transmit chemical signals to the immune system. Those platelets send out platelet factor 4 (PF4), which regulates blood clotting.

However, in some people, after some undetermined amount of time, at random, PF4 latches onto the vaccine, and large "complexes" form. Since those complexes are "unknown," the human body interprets those clusters as threats. Thus, immune cells in the body mistakenly attack PF4's, prohibiting them from preventing the problematic clots seen in some COVID-19 vaccine recipients.

...


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Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: mindrust on June 25, 2021, 06:13:13 PM
If It was one pilot, you could say that we can't know if the reason for death is the vaccine but four dead pilots? I'd say the chances are pretty much there.

I am starting to read many heart related complications too. A youtuber I was watching today said his friend died from a heart failure after 2 days from taking a biontech shot.


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: tvbcof on June 25, 2021, 06:29:33 PM

You can fact check the fact checkers yourself.  They cite their sources.   (try clicking on the words that look a little different or have a little squiggly line underneath)

Yup.  Their 'source' tends to be the idiot who generated some tweet with some semi-related content that they can use as the strawman to 'debunk'.  To be sure such idiot tweets do exist...and if they don't it's easy to generate one.

The so-called 'fact-checker's game-book is not that hard to figure out if you are an analytical person.



Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: Natsuu on June 26, 2021, 05:27:53 PM
Fact check this. And in your fact check, fact check the links in the article. BTW, read the comments.


Thousands of flights cancelled as vaccinated pilots fall ill or die (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/307158-2021-06-25-thousands-of-flights-cancelled-as-vaccinated-pilots-fall-ill-or.htm)



Pilots are encouraged to be aware of the signs of deep venous thrombosis and clotting issues and take preventative measures such as compression stockings and stretching of their legs during long flights.

Medical News Today published a study on June 15th, 2021 that showed an increased risk of blood clotting and low platelets in AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine recipients. Some scientists hypothesize that since the ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (EDTA) in the shot causes a full body reaction, once the vaccine comes into contact with platelets inside the human body, the vaccine activates those platelets, causing them to change shape and transmit chemical signals to the immune system. Those platelets send out platelet factor 4 (PF4), which regulates blood clotting.

However, in some people, after some undetermined amount of time, at random, PF4 latches onto the vaccine, and large "complexes" form. Since those complexes are "unknown," the human body interprets those clusters as threats. Thus, immune cells in the body mistakenly attack PF4's, prohibiting them from preventing the problematic clots seen in some COVID-19 vaccine recipients.

...


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Did you even read it? THERE IS NO ONE died in that news, instead of the 4 pilots who was said to be NOT DIED FROM COVID.

haayyyyyyy


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: BADecker on June 26, 2021, 06:34:10 PM
Fact check this. And in your fact check, fact check the links in the article. BTW, read the comments.


Thousands of flights cancelled as vaccinated pilots fall ill or die (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/307158-2021-06-25-thousands-of-flights-cancelled-as-vaccinated-pilots-fall-ill-or.htm)



Pilots are encouraged to be aware of the signs of deep venous thrombosis and clotting issues and take preventative measures such as compression stockings and stretching of their legs during long flights.

Medical News Today published a study on June 15th, 2021 that showed an increased risk of blood clotting and low platelets in AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine recipients. Some scientists hypothesize that since the ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (EDTA) in the shot causes a full body reaction, once the vaccine comes into contact with platelets inside the human body, the vaccine activates those platelets, causing them to change shape and transmit chemical signals to the immune system. Those platelets send out platelet factor 4 (PF4), which regulates blood clotting.

However, in some people, after some undetermined amount of time, at random, PF4 latches onto the vaccine, and large "complexes" form. Since those complexes are "unknown," the human body interprets those clusters as threats. Thus, immune cells in the body mistakenly attack PF4's, prohibiting them from preventing the problematic clots seen in some COVID-19 vaccine recipients.

...


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Did you even read it? THERE IS NO ONE died in that news, instead of the 4 pilots who was said to be NOT DIED FROM COVID.

haayyyyyyy

We all understand that you have a bit of a problem adding 1 + 1 together to get 2. But of course, what is reported on is what is reported on. If it says nobody died, then it says nobody died. Thanks.

The thing to do is a little bit of multiplication rather than only simple addition.
1. Airlines are in business to make money.
2. Not considering bailouts, they have to fly to make money.
3. So, why are they cancelling flights?
4. Note that the word "multiplication" 4 lines above, is not manipulation. Read it closely and clearly.

In other words, airlines have reasons for cancelling what will become thousands of flights. What are those reasons? They are big and serious reasons, because nobody wants to lose money through loss of business.

Some of the reports show what the reasons are. The reasons? Pilots and other airline personnel are sick from the vaccine. Many are so sick, that they can't fly any longer.

But the present question is, do you have vaccine or Covid sickness, Natsuu? I mean, anyone who wants to take the people's focus off the truth like you do, and then does such a lousy job of it, has to be sick.

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Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: Natsuu on June 27, 2021, 09:46:01 AM
Fact check this. And in your fact check, fact check the links in the article. BTW, read the comments.


Thousands of flights cancelled as vaccinated pilots fall ill or die (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/307158-2021-06-25-thousands-of-flights-cancelled-as-vaccinated-pilots-fall-ill-or.htm)



Pilots are encouraged to be aware of the signs of deep venous thrombosis and clotting issues and take preventative measures such as compression stockings and stretching of their legs during long flights.

Medical News Today published a study on June 15th, 2021 that showed an increased risk of blood clotting and low platelets in AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine recipients. Some scientists hypothesize that since the ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (EDTA) in the shot causes a full body reaction, once the vaccine comes into contact with platelets inside the human body, the vaccine activates those platelets, causing them to change shape and transmit chemical signals to the immune system. Those platelets send out platelet factor 4 (PF4), which regulates blood clotting.

However, in some people, after some undetermined amount of time, at random, PF4 latches onto the vaccine, and large "complexes" form. Since those complexes are "unknown," the human body interprets those clusters as threats. Thus, immune cells in the body mistakenly attack PF4's, prohibiting them from preventing the problematic clots seen in some COVID-19 vaccine recipients.

...


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Did you even read it? THERE IS NO ONE died in that news, instead of the 4 pilots who was said to be NOT DIED FROM COVID.

haayyyyyyy

We all understand that you have a bit of a problem adding 1 + 1 together to get 2. But of course, what is reported on is what is reported on. If it says nobody died, then it says nobody died. Thanks.

The thing to do is a little bit of multiplication rather than only simple addition.
1. Airlines are in business to make money.
2. Not considering bailouts, they have to fly to make money.
3. So, why are they cancelling flights?
4. Note that the word "multiplication" 4 lines above, is not manipulation. Read it closely and clearly.

In other words, airlines have reasons for cancelling what will become thousands of flights. What are those reasons? They are big and serious reasons, because nobody wants to lose money through loss of business.

Some of the reports show what the reasons are. The reasons? Pilots and other airline personnel are sick from the vaccine. Many are so sick, that they can't fly any longer.

But the present question is, do you have vaccine or Covid sickness, Natsuu? I mean, anyone who wants to take the people's focus off the truth like you do, and then does such a lousy job of it, has to be sick.


AND???,

the news you cite yourself have misleading titles as the title says "vaccinated pilots fall ill or DIE", where the deaths was not even related to being vaccinated. Can you even get that?, even a toddler can see whats wrong with that.

Anyway, your logic in the post above, shows that you THINK outside of the box that is out of bounds. You don't have proofs to defend your claims, and this has been the situation since 2020. You make a conspiracy, thinking about something, but up to this date, those theories of yours have not yet been proven.


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: BADecker on June 28, 2021, 04:30:29 AM
Fact check this. And in your fact check, fact check the links in the article. BTW, read the comments.


Thousands of flights cancelled as vaccinated pilots fall ill or die (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/307158-2021-06-25-thousands-of-flights-cancelled-as-vaccinated-pilots-fall-ill-or.htm)



Pilots are encouraged to be aware of the signs of deep venous thrombosis and clotting issues and take preventative measures such as compression stockings and stretching of their legs during long flights.

Medical News Today published a study on June 15th, 2021 that showed an increased risk of blood clotting and low platelets in AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine recipients. Some scientists hypothesize that since the ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (EDTA) in the shot causes a full body reaction, once the vaccine comes into contact with platelets inside the human body, the vaccine activates those platelets, causing them to change shape and transmit chemical signals to the immune system. Those platelets send out platelet factor 4 (PF4), which regulates blood clotting.

However, in some people, after some undetermined amount of time, at random, PF4 latches onto the vaccine, and large "complexes" form. Since those complexes are "unknown," the human body interprets those clusters as threats. Thus, immune cells in the body mistakenly attack PF4's, prohibiting them from preventing the problematic clots seen in some COVID-19 vaccine recipients.

...


8)

Did you even read it? THERE IS NO ONE died in that news, instead of the 4 pilots who was said to be NOT DIED FROM COVID.

haayyyyyyy

We all understand that you have a bit of a problem adding 1 + 1 together to get 2. But of course, what is reported on is what is reported on. If it says nobody died, then it says nobody died. Thanks.

The thing to do is a little bit of multiplication rather than only simple addition.
1. Airlines are in business to make money.
2. Not considering bailouts, they have to fly to make money.
3. So, why are they cancelling flights?
4. Note that the word "multiplication" 4 lines above, is not manipulation. Read it closely and clearly.

In other words, airlines have reasons for cancelling what will become thousands of flights. What are those reasons? They are big and serious reasons, because nobody wants to lose money through loss of business.

Some of the reports show what the reasons are. The reasons? Pilots and other airline personnel are sick from the vaccine. Many are so sick, that they can't fly any longer.

But the present question is, do you have vaccine or Covid sickness, Natsuu? I mean, anyone who wants to take the people's focus off the truth like you do, and then does such a lousy job of it, has to be sick.


AND???,

the news you cite yourself have misleading titles as the title says "vaccinated pilots fall ill or DIE", where the deaths was not even related to being vaccinated. Can you even get that?, even a toddler can see whats wrong with that.

Anyway, your logic in the post above, shows that you THINK outside of the box that is out of bounds. You don't have proofs to defend your claims, and this has been the situation since 2020. You make a conspiracy, thinking about something, but up to this date, those theories of yours have not yet been proven.

Except for one major thing. The title is what is happening, even if the particular article doesn't show it clearly.

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Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: TwitchySeal on June 29, 2021, 12:37:58 AM
Inside the mind of BADecker:
Except for one major thing. The title is what is happening, even if the particular article doesn't show it clearly.

Mastur of being click baited.


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: BADecker on June 29, 2021, 02:55:09 AM
Inside the mind of BADecker:
Except for one major thing. The title is what is happening, even if the particular article doesn't show it clearly.

Mastur of being click baited.

As VAERS shows, a master of the dead. Of course, the dead aren't master of anything any longer.

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Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: Natsuu on July 03, 2021, 04:35:00 PM
Except for one major thing. The title is what is happening, even if the particular article doesn't show it clearly.

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What in the world of journalism is this. KEKW

If that's the case then there is no need for the article. He just need the title for you to believe everything.

1 sentence is enough for you to believe something. AND THAT IS EVEN WITHOUT ANY PROOF OR SUPPORTS


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: BADecker on July 03, 2021, 05:35:14 PM
Except for one major thing. The title is what is happening, even if the particular article doesn't show it clearly.

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What in the world of journalism is this. KEKW

If that's the case then there is no need for the article. He just need the title for you to believe everything.

1 sentence is enough for you to believe something. AND THAT IS EVEN WITHOUT ANY PROOF OR SUPPORTS

Didn't you say journalism? Don't you even realize that journalists write articles? From the journalist's standpoint, there definitely is a need for the article. In this case the article gives the reader directions to go to, showing that pilots deffintely ARE dying from the vaxx... right along with thousands of other people.

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Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: Natsuu on July 04, 2021, 11:41:04 AM
Except for one major thing. The title is what is happening, even if the particular article doesn't show it clearly.

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What in the world of journalism is this. KEKW

If that's the case then there is no need for the article. He just need the title for you to believe everything.

1 sentence is enough for you to believe something. AND THAT IS EVEN WITHOUT ANY PROOF OR SUPPORTS

Didn't you say journalism? Don't you even realize that journalists write articles? From the journalist's standpoint, there definitely is a need for the article. In this case the article gives the reader directions to go to, showing that pilots deffintely ARE dying from the vaxx... right along with thousands of other people.


What on earth are you even talking about at this point.

News writing in journalism is different from EDITORIAL WRITING, and other more

News writing is a very sensitive part of journalism as you need to have SUFFICIENT PROOFS that will support your claim. In news writing, the TITLE is the very significant part as it will give the READERS the very core of the news you present, its like the BRIEF ABSTRACT of the article you write. In other words, THE TITLE is the very SUMMARY of the ARTICLE WRITTEN.

Ergo, the article you cite is not even well writen or even proofread by a JOURNALIST. Its just written by some student or something in the basement of her mothers house.


Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
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Title: Re: British Airways confirms four vaccinated pilots have recently died...
Post by: BADecker on August 12, 2022, 03:18:47 PM

Didn't you say journalism? Don't you even realize that journalists write articles? From the journalist's standpoint, there definitely is a need for the article. In this case the article gives the reader directions to go to, showing that pilots deffintely ARE dying from the vaxx... right along with thousands of other people.


What on earth are you even talking about at this point.

News writing in journalism is different from EDITORIAL WRITING, and other more

News writing is a very sensitive part of journalism as you need to have SUFFICIENT PROOFS that will support your claim. In news writing, the TITLE is the very significant part as it will give the READERS the very core of the news you present, its like the BRIEF ABSTRACT of the article you write. In other words, THE TITLE is the very SUMMARY of the ARTICLE WRITTEN.

Ergo, the article you cite is not even well writen or even proofread by a JOURNALIST. Its just written by some student or something in the basement of her mothers house.

"News writing in journalism is different from EDITORIAL WRITING," and both are a way to make money. So, the editor, breaking away from fellow editors, and any agreement he/she may have had to hide the truth, is bringing the truth out into the open by allowing the particular journalist's writing to be published.

Who really knows the reason the editor did this. Maybe it was to be one of the first to bring the news out into the open. Or maybe it was his conscience got to him about lying to the public. Or maybe it was entirely to bring in more readership by being controversial. Whatever it was, more and more of this kind of info is coming out into the open everyday.

Time for you to come out of the closet and take a look at what is really going on in the world.

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