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OP, could you enable messages from newbies please?

Lovely coins. How are the private keys being generated?

Hello

Thank you so much.  More details about the process on this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5325059.20)
 

• Private keys were generated with a single use PC (air gapped) and single use Printer (using cable) by a single person. No backups. Just a single printed sheet of paper.
• Laser jet printer was used and printing was done on TerraSlate water proof paper)
• Private keys were stuck on the coins with the holographic security sticker (one-time peelable)

Why should we trust that person? Why didn’t you ask for assistance from a trusted escrow on this forum?

Why should we trust that person? Why didn’t you ask for assistance from a trusted escrow on this forum?

Why should we trust that person? Why didn’t you ask for assistance from a trusted escrow on this forum?

I have the same question.  I myself have gone by the test of time, btcc, casascius,cryptoemperator, lealana, titan and a few others have the proof of time on their side.  It is a nice looking coin, good luck with your sales

If there isn’t Trust, then you will struggle with sales. People are trying to teach/help, not bash you, so please do not take it personally. As a coin maker imo it’s important to let everyone know who you are and how you go about making keys etc.. Mike Caldwell/Casascius made that a cornerstone of his business, as it shows he’s not trying to hide anything. He has stated just that before, something like “I made it well known who I am so that I could provide as much transparency as possible to build trust” …I’m just paraphrasing that quote, but it was something like that.

Have you seen the Scam coin maker list pinned atop this page before? That is exactly why everyone is being very cautious, we’ve seen countless scams and are always on high alert with new coin makers. I can also tell you getting upset by these fair questions does not look good. I hope this makes sense. Trying to help is all. Cheers.

So if we pay .01btc more we get a satori chip.  Is the bonus for you? (Serious question I am confused)

Hello

Good question. Thank you for asking. Hope you are having a nice day :)

Our answer:

• Please explain in more details, what are you implying? Are you saying that person could have cheated or we all have cheated?
• That person is one of our team members. Not some random person. We have to trust people in the team.
• Plus you don't have to trust any one.  Please don't come and speak stuff without doing research.
• We did ask for assistance (check out older post). People here in bitcointalk.com gave us ideas on how to do it. And we did it.

• To express our opinion, you questioning us, this late in the process, without doing research hurts. Your sentence implies that we are trying to rob people of 0.01BTC or 0.001BTC
• Also, we have a 100% refund policy if a certified coin does not give you the BTC.

Please let us know if you have any more questions. Hopefully, you will like the coin.

Thanks
 

Okay.

We can provide identity, whom should we provide identities to?
Please tell us what other transparency is required.
Should provide to MJ? to you ?
Don't mind providing any id or identity.

Thanks

for me it is the price  at .009 and .05 and with a btc price of 36,000 they are equal to 324 and 1800 USD respectively.

seems high for a 1/2 oz of silver and 36/360 (worth of BTC)  - to break even we would have to feel the that the funds are first secure, and that btc would need to get to close to 300k in price just to break even.

that is what makes it hard for me. I know there are many though that dont bat an eye at spending 10x load value for a coin - however, I cannot.

Why not right here in public? Pretty much everyone here knows who I am, and I don't even make coins. :P

Good luck,,,, I wouldn't even buy a 0.001 without knowing the identity of you and your "team". ::)

Cheers

Edit Terrible choice on the batman thing - you obviously let your personal interests influence your design, as I see zero connections with that... :P

Can't even resell this on ebay with that trademark violation lol...

I do know small runs can be costly but would it be rude of us to ask what was the production cost?

This would help us understand not only why they cost so much but how much profit this “team” is looking to walk away with from the honest, hard working niche community of physical BTC collectors.

I know I did say last question earlier

My two cents, next time have a trusted European long-standing member of the community that we all trust, load the coins. Half your problems are gone right there

Sel

for me it is the price  at .009 and .05 and with a btc price of 36,000 they are equal to 324 and 1800 USD respectively.

seems high for a 1/2 oz of silver and 36/360 (worth of BTC)  - to break even we would have to feel the that the funds are first secure, and that btc would need to get to close to 300k in price just to break even.

that is what makes it hard for me. I know there are many though that dont bat an eye at spending 10x load value for a coin - however, I cannot.

Does the 0.0042BTC price include funding or is funding separate, in addition to 0.0042BTC?

if these are solid silver as the other listing you just changed from "plated" to "solid" then you may want to change this one as well.

but now that brings to question how you could confuse plated and solid.

I don't see any images of the back, is there a qr code for the public key on the back?

We'lll try to list it and see how it goes.

Let us know how that goes  ;)

Received a few from raritycheck and they were fine with escrow and also shipped promptly.  Some pics:

 

i received my coins as well. parcel came crushed and soaking wet through post, no idea wtf my local post has done with it on the way. surprisingly, the coins have been so well packed they endured and survived the accident or whatever that was. the coins are intact, so are the slabs and certificates. a good sign i guess.

the coins look great i must say, but there are a few things i have noticed that i don't really like that much or would have done differently.

1. the coins came in some Lighthouse slabs that have a little too wide hole for the coins. this makes the coins hit the slab's plastic whenever shaked a little or dropped. i never owned a real PCGS or NGC or etc slab, but i think the coins aren't supposed to move inside?

2. my slab's top tag has the logo cut and glued on top of the tag. also, the scissor cuts are clearly noticed. this gives the slab a very cheap/weird/unprofessional look in my opinion, something that could have been fixed by only paying more attention to the cutting. maybe next time print some helping lines around the tag's text so that you at least have straight cuts and a proper rectangle/square rather than a weird shape.

3. although this might not be raritycheck's fault, one of the slabs has a smudge on the inside, on the tag. there are also some scratches/smudges (maybe glue?) on the inside where the coin is sitting. maybe these are scratches produced when the parcel got crushed, no idea..

4. certificates. if i were you, i would have printed them on business cards. much thicker than paper and a much more professional look overall. the use of multiple fonts and font color/size makes it look kinda messy as well.. some are underlined, some are blue, smaller, larger, brown, black, bold, different font.. why not use just a single font with a very minimalist design? maybe a black certificate with white or silver text for the silver coins and a gold certificate with black text for the gilded ones. i don't know, just an idea.

overall, i mostly care about the coins rather than the slabs and tags/certificates. however, i think smallest details sometimes matter the most. and if the smallest details make the coin look cheap/unprofessional, that means there is so much more room for improvement.

i am personally very very new to crypto collectibles and only ever owned a few coins so maybe i have too many expectations since i don't have a history to look at, but i really think a professional-looking certificate/slab tag would only cost at MOST a few more bucks per coin although i'm more than sure it's so much less than that..

pictures coming very soon. right now, i only have the pics of the smudged slab. raritycheck, please take this as constructive criticism and a warm message telling you that there's room for improvement. i personally think that a little more attention to the details would do wonders.

returned with some pics. this is how my parcel arrived:

https://i.postimg.cc/WdRKyMzd/d11.jpg (https://postimg.cc/WdRKyMzd)

but as mentioned in my previous post, the coins and slabs were intact since they were packed very well. here's a front & back pic of the slab that looks fine with no smudges. notice the top tag i was talking about with the glued logo:

https://i.postimg.cc/zLzdmprG/d12.jpg (https://postimg.cc/zLzdmprG) https://i.postimg.cc/B8mmJDSc/d17.jpg (https://postimg.cc/B8mmJDSc)

now here are the new certificates:

https://i.postimg.cc/F18nfjjT/d13.jpg (https://postimg.cc/F18nfjjT) https://i.postimg.cc/yDzQjsp9/d15.jpg (https://postimg.cc/yDzQjsp9)

and now here's the old certificate. while i liked that you only used a single font, a single font color etc, i don't like how they were cut and how that logo was glued on top:

https://i.postimg.cc/JDhdXx62/d16.jpg (https://postimg.cc/JDhdXx62)

closer pics of the front and back of the coin.. notice in the last two pics how the coin can hit the slab if shaken hard enough. also, the glue smudge, scratches or whatever that is can be seen in the pics around the coin:

https://i.postimg.cc/NK1Vv52p/d18.jpg (https://postimg.cc/NK1Vv52p) https://i.postimg.cc/4H7LLdTv/d19.jpg (https://postimg.cc/4H7LLdTv) https://i.postimg.cc/sQ1wxX1F/d110.jpg (https://postimg.cc/sQ1wxX1F)

and then, here's a pic of the smudged slab tag.

https://i.postimg.cc/D8Gp186n/d14.jpg (https://postimg.cc/D8Gp186n)

i would be an idiot to say these guys didn't try to make up for any mistake they made. through PM we had a solid communication, they responded quickly, the coins have been sent immediately after payment, they sent the Satori as a gift, new certificates for free and so on.

since they're new around here, i'd personally give them time since nothing can be perfect straight from the start. there will probably always be room for improvement and for their first product and especially for my batch which i knew was the first one from the start, i think they did pretty well. about the trust issues with the coin's private key.. this all comes down to each of us.

i've seen users around here saying they can't trust themselves with the private key generation but i've also seen the opposite, people who can't trust others with generating them. maybe next time it would be a much better idea to either do them DIY, send them for private key printing to a reputable member of the forum or simply ask the customers to choose themselves between you printing them and you offering them the holograms separately.

no need to send the slabs again, i think that for a collection the slabs with mistakes are actually worth more over the long term although i may be wrong. would love to see the new certificates though, i'm curious about those.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5325059.msg56638399#msg56638399
Considering I specifically told you how to do this yourself and you still chose a 3rd party I'm out.
You didn't even reach out with questions? To eager to make a buck you forgot to pay attention.
edit*Your negative feedback on phishing attempts are a red flag as well. Buyers beware.

Received my coin!  Love it man....great job. Will fit nicely with my small collection  ;)  Cheers mate and thankyou sir